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GLBGenesis 10 Base Geometry
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Luxe MuseThu, Sep 04
COMIXIANTThu, Sep 04
Luxe MuseWed, Sep 03
3DMadWed, Sep 03
Luxe MuseWed, Sep 03
COMIXIANTWed, Sep 03
Did anyone official at Daz ever drop a hint as to whether Genesis 10 will be released as Unisex, or as Male and Female geometry?
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Hard to tell. I'm really just assuming it will arrive along with the Daz Studio 2025 official release (whenever that may be), but we'll be in 2026 before they release it if they take much longer, so I doubt it's too far off now.
Time really does fly and we've already reached September 2025 at time of writing.
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Given the mess with the Alpha, I think they'll wait several patches post-release of Daz 2025 to release a G10.
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I do not think they are ready for it yet, in my humble opinion. They know G9 has potential, and it is more cost effective to fix the problems G9 has than to send, so soon, the entire "diminishing" customer base on yet another wild chase for everything needed to be comfortable with a new generation.
Remember, they added the toon thing on top of G9, which already diverts, and that has not been successful, also in my opinion.
Remember, they added the toon thing on top of G9, which already diverts, and that has not been successful, also in my opinion.
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I think you both speak perfect sense, but the reason I ask is because I'm trying to make a decision, and depending on what type of geometry Genesis 10 comes with, will effect the continued sales of Genesis 9 content at radically different rates.
I suspect that if Genesis 10 has separate Male and Female meshes, it will effect the sales of Genesis 9 content a lot more than it would if Genesis 10 used the same Unisex approach that Genesis 9 uses.
I get the impression that most people prefer separate Male and Female meshes (me included). And if that's the case, then I suspect that Genesis 9 has a heck of a lot more prime time to come if Genesis 10 follows the same Unisex geometry approach. Genesis 9 didn't kill-off Genesis 8, so if we factor in what I just pointed out along with the largely unattainable upgrade cost of the hardware required to run the latest version, this is all going to effect Genesis 9 in a very direct way depending on which way it goes.
Potentially, Genesis 9 could become the best selling release of Genesis by a very large margin, because it's already largely compatible with Genesis 8, 8.1 and even Genesis 3 content (as well as its own), and could still be around along-side Genesis 10 depending on the approach they take.
That's quite a huge, flexible and utilitarian content span when you think about it.
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Luxe Muse
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Tue, Sep 02This is still my personal opinion. But I have read (I do enjoy reading forums) that the Genesis 9 unified figure was intended more to serve a purpose other than primarily to improve the topology of the base figure (I am trying not to inject anything political, though. I do not think this is the place for such things). They did more than that, obviously, and I suppose including extras was their way of saying, "Oops, we know this was unwise, but be happy with this."
Course-correcting the unified shape will cause them to lose certain types of "vendors" and even some customers that wanted this base figure, while the rest will be upset because we have already invested in trying to make G9 as appealing as G8 was. And as misguided as DAZ seems, I am sure their ever-growing "get all this for a dollar" daily aggressive marketing is not just to destroy the small competition left. It is because their own numbers are not very good. They probably are not performing well, and the premiere did not bring the profits they anticipated.
So, if they still have an ounce of self-preservation left in them, they will not turn back to the dual figure, but double down and continue to try to make it appealing for the 98% of of us left to wonder what to do with all this hair and clothing from the G8 era.
I do like G9, do not get me wrong, not for whatever it represents but because it is easier for me to work with, with the eyes and mouth as separate topology.
Course-correcting the unified shape will cause them to lose certain types of "vendors" and even some customers that wanted this base figure, while the rest will be upset because we have already invested in trying to make G9 as appealing as G8 was. And as misguided as DAZ seems, I am sure their ever-growing "get all this for a dollar" daily aggressive marketing is not just to destroy the small competition left. It is because their own numbers are not very good. They probably are not performing well, and the premiere did not bring the profits they anticipated.
So, if they still have an ounce of self-preservation left in them, they will not turn back to the dual figure, but double down and continue to try to make it appealing for the 98% of of us left to wonder what to do with all this hair and clothing from the G8 era.
I do like G9, do not get me wrong, not for whatever it represents but because it is easier for me to work with, with the eyes and mouth as separate topology.
COMIXIANT
No worries, Luxe, I know what you're meaning. From a quality standpoint, I would much prefer separate Male and Female meshes, but from a commercial standpoint I think Genesis 9 (much as some people hate it), could easily turn out to be the biggest, most versatie option of all generations, past, present and future.
The thing is, Genesis 10 has an enemy in the form of AI even before its release (assuming it even gets released due to AI). Genesis 9 faced the threat of AI, but back when it was released, AI wasn't a fraction as sophisticated as it is now, and it really wasn't that long ago that Genesis 9 was released.
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Wed, Sep 03No worries, Luxe, I know what you're meaning. From a quality standpoint, I would much prefer separate Male and Female meshes, but from a commercial standpoint I think Genesis 9 (much as some people hate it), could easily turn out to be the biggest, most versatie option of all generations, past, present and future.
The thing is, Genesis 10 has an enemy in the form of AI even before its release (assuming it even gets released due to AI). Genesis 9 faced the threat of AI, but back when it was released, AI wasn't a fraction as sophisticated as it is now, and it really wasn't that long ago that Genesis 9 was released.
3DMad
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Wed, Sep 03Daz is going to have to incorporate AI somehow someway into Genesis or it's going to find itself left out. Whether that be in the form of an AI render engine working with OR replacing Iray altogether and AI can be used in all forms of character creation as well basically replacing character creators. It's mind blowing isn't it.
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Man, I dread to think of the legal implications if they were to incorporate AI into Genesis itself.
The sheer amount of legal issues it would create doesn't even bear thinking about!
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Wed, Sep 03Man, I dread to think of the legal implications if they were to incorporate AI into Genesis itself.
The sheer amount of legal issues it would create doesn't even bear thinking about!
Who here could possibly know? this is all just speculation. The people that would know, have signed NDAs so they ain't talking.
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3DMad
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Wed, Sep 03Sure none of know exactly what Daz will do but AI is here to stay and at some point more like sooner than later it will happen
COMIXIANT
Anyone who saw such a thing (if it had been posted) really. Sometimes they drop information on what they plan for Daz Studio long before it actually arrives.
So it's not impossible, although granted, unlikely.
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Wed, Sep 03Anyone who saw such a thing (if it had been posted) really. Sometimes they drop information on what they plan for Daz Studio long before it actually arrives.
So it's not impossible, although granted, unlikely.
Luxe Muse
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Wed, Sep 03If they do that, we are certainly in trouble. First, AI requires a lot of GPU or CPU power, so imagine trying to render while that is running. The alternative, I suppose, is if they host the AI in the cloud, but that would be an issue as well, since I do not always have internet access myself.
guy91600
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Wed, Sep 03This is why you need to keep the installation file of some latest versions of Daz Studio to reinstall it even if the version is not available on the site.
3DMad
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Wed, Sep 03yeah yeah like I told dim35 he can stick with G8 as long as he likes no one is saying you have to give up any generation all you gotta do is no update and keep a backup of what you got.
Luxe: Actually AI will make it easier to render along with much better quality if it's done right and long wait times will be over even on a slower pc's but that is if Daz implements it in the correct way
Luxe: Actually AI will make it easier to render along with much better quality if it's done right and long wait times will be over even on a slower pc's but that is if Daz implements it in the correct way
Luxe Muse
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Wed, Sep 03@3DMad sorry I typed too fast, prior jest was meant as a joke around DAZ implementing something for us.
Luxe Muse
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Wed, Sep 03Comixiant, this raises an important issue, we need to figure out how to get an edit button. Hopefully, before Genesis 10 is dropped on us 
Luxe Muse
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Wed, Sep 03If G9.1 does come out, I hope they add navel geometry that allows us to create our own shapes without needing custom geografts. I imagine those working on adult figures would appreciate nipple geometry as well.
COMIXIANT
But did they ever hint at releasing a Genesis 9.1, though?
It might seem the obvious thing they would do if we consider previous generation figures. But If they were to add extra geometry around the navel and nipples, then that would break compatibility with all current Genesis 9 morphs. I can't imagine they'd be suicidal enough to chance that sort of change unless it was a whole new figure.
That said, I reckon a lot of Daz's decision making these days is commercially suicidal anyway, so who knows!
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Thu, Sep 04But did they ever hint at releasing a Genesis 9.1, though?
It might seem the obvious thing they would do if we consider previous generation figures. But If they were to add extra geometry around the navel and nipples, then that would break compatibility with all current Genesis 9 morphs. I can't imagine they'd be suicidal enough to chance that sort of change unless it was a whole new figure.
That said, I reckon a lot of Daz's decision making these days is commercially suicidal anyway, so who knows!
Luxe Muse
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Thu, Sep 04That's a good point regarding additional geometry for a point upgrade, that might work better for a full number upgrade.
