What's with the selling of color-differentiated versions as unique transactions?
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I just browsed the RenderHub store.
There's definitely a new marketing trend wherein vendors will sell many color-versions of the same model. This frankly baffles me.
Example: a plastering spatula tool that has a small spot of color on it. The vendor sells a version where the color patch is white. But also one where the color patch is blue. And one where the color patch is red. And so on.
As a user, I know that if I buy the white one, I can easily make it any color I want. So if I want to have one spatula be red, and another be blue, I'm not going to buy both the red and the blue one and double my spending. But is this what the vendor is hoping for? For real? Is the market really saturated with 3D model buyers who can't be bothered to change a color?
Or, maybe the vendor made the spatula using an image map for the whole thing, which prevents the user from changing the color of that small patch without a ton of work in a mesh editor and/or an image editor. This is fair. But I find it almost offensive that the option to change image maps is so expensive. I'm used to such things being controlled by presets in Poser or Daz, wherein these presets are part of a single download transaction. Making colors for such a small patch of surface on such an obscure item as a plaster spatula just seems needlessly absurd.
My pet hypotheses to explain why vendors are doing this is simply to take up more space on the store web pages, and get their obscure spatulas noticed.
Take a look for yourself. You'll see tons of smartphone models differentiated by so little as a shade of gray. One will look exactly like the other in the right lighting. Better get them both just in case you can't produce that kind of lighting, right?
Life is strange.
There's definitely a new marketing trend wherein vendors will sell many color-versions of the same model. This frankly baffles me.
Example: a plastering spatula tool that has a small spot of color on it. The vendor sells a version where the color patch is white. But also one where the color patch is blue. And one where the color patch is red. And so on.
As a user, I know that if I buy the white one, I can easily make it any color I want. So if I want to have one spatula be red, and another be blue, I'm not going to buy both the red and the blue one and double my spending. But is this what the vendor is hoping for? For real? Is the market really saturated with 3D model buyers who can't be bothered to change a color?
Or, maybe the vendor made the spatula using an image map for the whole thing, which prevents the user from changing the color of that small patch without a ton of work in a mesh editor and/or an image editor. This is fair. But I find it almost offensive that the option to change image maps is so expensive. I'm used to such things being controlled by presets in Poser or Daz, wherein these presets are part of a single download transaction. Making colors for such a small patch of surface on such an obscure item as a plaster spatula just seems needlessly absurd.
My pet hypotheses to explain why vendors are doing this is simply to take up more space on the store web pages, and get their obscure spatulas noticed.
Take a look for yourself. You'll see tons of smartphone models differentiated by so little as a shade of gray. One will look exactly like the other in the right lighting. Better get them both just in case you can't produce that kind of lighting, right?
Life is strange.
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In the the end, it is their own time they are wasting. You are not alone in thinking that, its not worth buying multiple versions of the same product, so their time will not be compensated with sales. As for why? i don't have an answer for that.
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Another possible reason is to try and artificially inflate their model count so they get a bigger royalty % of sales.
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lukon
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Thu, Jan 08Ugh! Like this newcomer who put up 12 models at a reasonable pace, but then unleashed 200 free models in a 2 day furry, each one a jigsaw puzzle piece. Who in their right mind is gonna try to get the whole puzzle by spending all that time individually downloading 200 models and then installing 200 models? It seems like nothing more than an obvious way to hack the royalty percentage system.
DoroThee237
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Thu, Jan 08Yes, and it's done in a very clumsy way; it's surprising that support agreed to validate it. They could have disabled these packages and asked him to create a single package!
Excessive
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Thu, Jan 08someone is listing a 1000 piece puzzle set with each puzzle piece as an individual download, that's one of the most obnoxious examples of gaming a system I've ever seen
G3 Renderworks
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Thu, Jan 08Guy selling the puzzle pieces might be wasting his time. When I look at my store dashboard, the free items don't count toward hitting the next tier.
Excessive
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Thu, Jan 08they do for me - all of my items are free though and I don't know if there is some manual scoring going on there
lukon
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Fri, Jan 09I too make only free items and managed to get into tier 2.
But since puzzle person also mixes paid and free items, perhaps their free items don't get them into a higher tier, and thus has wasted their time.
But since puzzle person also mixes paid and free items, perhaps their free items don't get them into a higher tier, and thus has wasted their time.
DoroThee237
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Fri, Jan 09In my store, I have both free and paid items. I confirm that all items count as free or paid; only bundles created with "Make a bundle" are not counted as unique items.
G3 Renderworks
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Sat, Jan 10Interesting, I'll have to count again. Maybe there was a glitch last time.
Oh, I made two skins for Yunae when I could have sold her twice? Just kidding. Those vendors should charge a little more and offer just one package with the options. But I second deathd's thought on this. It's probably to bump their percentage, something that even if I try with what I do, I'll never reach, unless I just make morphs and sell their skins, and every corrective morph as an addon for each limb.
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guy91600
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Mon, Oct 27, 2025Choosing the products we make is also an economic decision. Do we make a complex product that takes a long time to produce and sell it at a high price, or do we make a product that's quick to produce and sell it at a lower price? Specialty food shop or supermarket!
guy91600
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Mon, Oct 27, 2025To elaborate on my point, you can create face morphs using Face Transfer without adding textures, or create an entire character with a suitable, high-quality texture.
Luxe Muse
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Mon, Oct 27, 2025I think what I meant, and what I understood from the original post, is something a little different. For example, you can create an entire outfit (shoes, a dress, a necklace, earrings) and that will have a price based on the effort involved. Or you can sell each part individually, and that is fine too. However, the issue arises with the exact same product that features just some color variations, posted as a brand new product.
In that regard, he could have created a "Material Addon" product that provides more options. But it seems the vendor in question chose a path that feels like deceit, if this makes sense.
In that regard, he could have created a "Material Addon" product that provides more options. But it seems the vendor in question chose a path that feels like deceit, if this makes sense.
The best way around this is to complain to the folks that run the place. This is a waste of space, bandwidth, and my time by forcing me to scroll through it all.
They need to change the system.
They need to change the system.
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Bobb
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Fri, Jan 09I just had another look in '3D Models' and there's some clown pushing the cars with numerous paint colours.
I have 11 products in my shopping cart and will send a message to the mod(s) that I'm not buying them until they change the system to stop this shit.
I have 11 products in my shopping cart and will send a message to the mod(s) that I'm not buying them until they change the system to stop this shit.
guy91600
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Fri, Jan 09I remember seeing a response from Foxy3D quite a while ago about this: the same mesh with different colors generates one package per color.
The response (I'm quoting from memory) is that this is typical for 3Dmodels, unlike Daz sellers who provide one or more textures in their packages.
It's certainly true that the "piece-by-piece puzzle" approach is an unacceptable way to quickly move up to the next tier.
The response (I'm quoting from memory) is that this is typical for 3Dmodels, unlike Daz sellers who provide one or more textures in their packages.
It's certainly true that the "piece-by-piece puzzle" approach is an unacceptable way to quickly move up to the next tier.
It looks like the worst offenders have been removed. I'm still seeing several versions of that flamethrower plus the eighty-bazillion flags.
I'm hoping for some feedback from the mods......do they have names? Foxy3D pops in from time to time which is much appreciated.
I'm hoping for some feedback from the mods......do they have names? Foxy3D pops in from time to time which is much appreciated.
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DoroThee237
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Sat, Jan 10If I understand correctly, Foxy3D has changed his job profile, which explains the arrival of RenderHub Admin 1 who moderates the forums.
Our relatively minor problem here sounds much like the larger problem detailed here...
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/26/01/09/2117206/google-dont-make-bite-sized-content-for-llms-if-you-care-about-search-rank
https://tech.slashdot.org/story/26/01/09/2117206/google-dont-make-bite-sized-content-for-llms-if-you-care-about-search-rank
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I just found an answer that works for me. I simply block the user. I hope they can see that they've been blocked. If enough people do this maybe the vendors AND Renderhub admins will get the message that customers won't tolerate being spammed.
Until this is properly fixed, I won't be buying any items in my wishlist.
Until this is properly fixed, I won't be buying any items in my wishlist.
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A lot of product spam has been removed recently.
If you see anything else like this, please click the report button as "Inappropriate" on a few related items. That will flag it for review. Thanks!
If you see anything else like this, please click the report button as "Inappropriate" on a few related items. That will flag it for review. Thanks!
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Bobb
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Sun, Jan 11Nice to hear, and thanks a bunch.
I'll have to buy some stuff now.
Cover me....I'm going in!
I'll have to buy some stuff now.
Cover me....I'm going in!
lukon
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Mon, Jan 12Report button? I can't find it.
But here's another color-difference model-count hog: https://www.renderhub.com/speedup/dining-set-rh34
But here's another color-difference model-count hog: https://www.renderhub.com/speedup/dining-set-rh34
Bobb
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Sat, Jan 24It's still happening and you're not checking! We shouldn't be doing your job for you! I thought I had the solution by simply blocking these overly zealous vendors but you have a limit of 20 blocks.
This morning I had to wade through a pile of 'almost identical except for colour' helmets from this guy (https://www.renderhub.com/kralyks).
I reported it but I shouldn't have to. There was another one with a pile of identical items but by then I was pissed and didn't bother.
Your policy is bullshit and needs to change!
This morning I had to wade through a pile of 'almost identical except for colour' helmets from this guy (https://www.renderhub.com/kralyks).
I reported it but I shouldn't have to. There was another one with a pile of identical items but by then I was pissed and didn't bother.
Your policy is bullshit and needs to change!
Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Jan 24@Bobb: Thanks for the link. Now I can see what you all mean 
I've reported it now 
@Lukon: The report button is actually a link on the product pages, just below the images and " Submit your artwork "
I've reported it now @Lukon: The report button is actually a link on the product pages, just below the images and " Submit your artwork "
lukon
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Sat, Jan 24Thanks, Pushee-Ri. Now I see the "Report" button. Unfortunately, the report button presents a menu of violations to report. But "redundant model tier fraud" is not one of the violations on the menu. And picking some other menu item would make it seem my complaint is an error, such that RenderHub staff would dismiss my report as an error, rather than investigate further to determine what my complaint really is.
Meanwhile, that vendor named "Speedup" I mentioned on Jan 12 keeps right on tier frauding.
Meanwhile, that vendor named "Speedup" I mentioned on Jan 12 keeps right on tier frauding.
DoroThee237
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Sat, Jan 24In this case, enter a different reason, followed by a message to support requesting that this reason be added to the list.
It's still occurring this morning. I just reported a bunch by Rever-Art, but the policy needs to change and new sellers need to have their collective noses rubbed in the fact that they can't do this. I noticed that it seems to be most prominent with sellers from Asia and the Middle East. I spent a good bit of time there working and I hated going shopping because store staff was always on you to buy. They'd follow you around making suggestions and frequently waving stuff under your nose. It was a pain and I occasionally spent time telling them that they can't do this with Europeans or North Americans. It was kinda pathetic as it felt like they where desperate to sell.
I'm getting the same impression here. Offer the product and add a line on the picture that it's available in a variety of colours.
I'm getting the same impression here. Offer the product and add a line on the picture that it's available in a variety of colours.
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guy91600
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Mon, Jan 12Who needs nearly 4,000 similar-looking smartphones? an easy way to reach the 1000 item mark for a $500 bonus!
Bobb
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Mon, Jan 12I'd hoped that the system had been changed but apparently not.
We shouldn't have to report people gaming the system. The system needs to change to stop this.
Guess I'll hold off buying my wishlist items. *sigh*
We shouldn't have to report people gaming the system. The system needs to change to stop this.
Guess I'll hold off buying my wishlist items. *sigh*
guy91600
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Mon, Jan 12I wonder if we shouldn't also write to those who are abusing the system to let them know that other Renderhub users (customers and sellers) are exasperated to see the 3D Model homepage filled with identical products that only change color. Our customers aren't fooled; they don't buy the same product in different colors.
Bobb
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Tue, Jan 13We shouldn't have to.
The system needs to be changed, it's as simple as that.
At least it's saved me a bunch of money this month.
The system needs to be changed, it's as simple as that.
At least it's saved me a bunch of money this month.
Bobb
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Tue, Jan 13I see on the vendor page that it clearly says,
"Uploading multiple items that are identical or very similar may forfeit bonus eligibility."
But it looks like no one is checking, AND the tier system is still there and in a much larger font.
"Uploading multiple items that are identical or very similar may forfeit bonus eligibility."
But it looks like no one is checking, AND the tier system is still there and in a much larger font.
Bobb
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Sun, Jan 18*sigh*
While some of the more blatant abusers have been removed, some clowns have changed tactics to continue gaming a system THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE. I see people (desperate for sales I guess) selling the same model with different licences or in rigged and non-rigged versions. This is just bullshit and RenderHub doesn't seem interested in changing it. Another perfect example of enshitification.
I'm now banning the abusers, and in a act of rebellion, I'm no longer buying ANY products from here. I know that several vendors have their own personal sites so they'll get my money.
While some of the more blatant abusers have been removed, some clowns have changed tactics to continue gaming a system THAT NEEDS TO CHANGE. I see people (desperate for sales I guess) selling the same model with different licences or in rigged and non-rigged versions. This is just bullshit and RenderHub doesn't seem interested in changing it. Another perfect example of enshitification.
I'm now banning the abusers, and in a act of rebellion, I'm no longer buying ANY products from here. I know that several vendors have their own personal sites so they'll get my money.
GrapeJuice3D
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Sun, Jan 18I get you, some time ago at another store, I bought a set of pants to use in my game, and initially, the seller set the license as "Extended," so I bought them. I believe they saw that many people were buying them and got greedy, so they later changed the license to "Personal" and created another identical product with a color variation as "Extended," charging double the price. That's extremely disonest so I didn't used the pants I bought to use in my game even having rights for it because a lot of people ask me what resources I use and I don't think the vendor deserve the money acting that way. About the second situation I personally think that having two props in a store, one rigged and a non-rigged it's a good thing especially for starter game devs like me. As I started to do my game now, I found out that sometimes you want to buy a non-rigged model and do your own rig because the program you use doesn't work with the rig the vendor made but the product is perfect for your project, for example not all rigged models made on Blender or 3DsMax work on Daz, so if the vendor sells a product for 15$ that has no rigging and one of the same product rigged that is 30$ it's good because I can buy the 15$ one, make my own rigging and be happy with it, and another person can buy the 30$ for blender, use it right away and be happy with it too. Of course the vendor can be doing that because they are greedy but i think every situation like this need to be studied so we don't hurt a specific kind of buyers in process.
Bobb
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Sun, Jan 18In other sites I'll see a product listed with different prices for different licences.
It seems so simple.
The same with rigged and not-rigged.
Again, it seems so simple.
It seems so simple.
The same with rigged and not-rigged.
Again, it seems so simple.
lukon
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Sat, Jan 24The model quantity incentive system is just attracting fraud. Not fair for those who do the hard work of making more models the legit way. I say, if RenderHub can't block the fraud, they should just remove the model quantity incentive altogether. Failing to do so is just dissing the honest vendors.
Luxe Muse
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Sat, Jan 24Yes, I completely agree, Lukon. If there were trust and everyone were honest, it would be a good system. But that is not how things are lately, from everything I see. So this system simply does not work as it was originally intended.
guy91600
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Sun, Jan 25After all, nothing guarantees that the 1000-item bonus is paid automatically; there might be a human check beforehand, and those who multiply items by simply changing the color don't receive the bonus. But it's true that their royalty rate increases faster.
I just came across someone who has 50 pages of cell phone models in slight variations of color, and was going to block them but
are you... are you kidding me
are you... are you kidding me
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lukon
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Sat, Jan 24Does blocking even do anything useful about this problem? Do the offending vendors get a notification, feel any impact? Or does it just remove their product from you view?
It kinda baffles me. I see one person who has blocked me has commented on this very thread. Apparently, blocking someone does not block forum posts initiated by that person.
It kinda baffles me. I see one person who has blocked me has commented on this very thread. Apparently, blocking someone does not block forum posts initiated by that person.
Excessive
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Sat, Jan 24it does seem to hide their gallery postings from you, and from your viewing store content, but yeah for the forum it seems very confusing what it really does.
Bobb
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Sat, Jan 24I also ran into that.
I told the mod(s) that I'd be curtailing my purchases a lot until this bullshit is changed. I then deleted 2 dozen items from my wishlist. I hated to do that but ya gotta take a stand.
This is a perfect example of enshitification. Renderhub was (where) the good guys by not screwing and gouging the vendors. Now they seem to be getting increasingly greedy by sleazy marketing tactics.
I told the mod(s) that I'd be curtailing my purchases a lot until this bullshit is changed. I then deleted 2 dozen items from my wishlist. I hated to do that but ya gotta take a stand.
This is a perfect example of enshitification. Renderhub was (where) the good guys by not screwing and gouging the vendors. Now they seem to be getting increasingly greedy by sleazy marketing tactics.
RenderHub
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Sun, Jan 25Just bumped up the maximum number of blocked user to 25. Should be able to add 5 more now.
RenderHub Admin 1
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3 Hours ago@Bobb -
Sorry, but I'm a bit confused. What does a limit on the number of blocked users have to do with "screwing and gouging the vendors"? And how is RenderHub doing that?
Our payout tiers are on par with or better than those of some other marketplaces. The payout tiers haven't changed in a long time, and most vendors are happy with how it works.
And "sleazy marketing tactics"? I'm even more confused about that statement. RenderHub marketing tactics are about as straightforward as they get. There are no games or gimmicks here.
Sorry, but I'm a bit confused. What does a limit on the number of blocked users have to do with "screwing and gouging the vendors"? And how is RenderHub doing that?
Our payout tiers are on par with or better than those of some other marketplaces. The payout tiers haven't changed in a long time, and most vendors are happy with how it works.
And "sleazy marketing tactics"? I'm even more confused about that statement. RenderHub marketing tactics are about as straightforward as they get. There are no games or gimmicks here.
Bobb
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42 Minutes agoI'm standing by my opinions.
I don't like the system regardless of how many others do it. I now by as much as I can from private sites or don't bother.
And funny that I'll often buy items from a favourite vendor (Summoner, TruForm are two) that I like and support even if I won't use the item. Both those folks have their own sites.
I don't like the system regardless of how many others do it. I now by as much as I can from private sites or don't bother.
And funny that I'll often buy items from a favourite vendor (Summoner, TruForm are two) that I like and support even if I won't use the item. Both those folks have their own sites.
Perhaps a better system would be one that uses a per-listing base rate, with the rate decreasing as the item sells more. This system would require the price of the item to be no less than X, whatever RenderHub decides. However, the more you sell that item, the larger your royalties for that item, but always calculated on a per-item basis. This would encourage higher-quality products with more offerings and greater value, than many single one dollar items, in my opinion.
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lukon
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Sat, Jan 24Ya. That might work. This will incentivize vendors to create real value for their customers, rather than incentivize vendors to fill the RenderHub catalog with useless redundancy and bloat.
guy91600
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Sun, Jan 25Seeing the same product 106,000 times is tiring, especially since only the 3D Models section is affected by this kind of spam. Since this never happens with Daz products, my workaround is to simply check out the new Daz products.
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Sun, Jan 25@Luxe Muse13 Interesting idea. For now we are pulling products that are too similar.
Bobb
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Sun, Jan 25That's nice but it's a knee-jerk reaction to our whining, moaning and complaining.
Shouldn't you change the policy in the first place? Wouldn't that fix the problem at it's root?
The present policy promotes gaming it.
THEN, you check each new product until vendors learn.
Shouldn't you change the policy in the first place? Wouldn't that fix the problem at it's root?
The present policy promotes gaming it.
THEN, you check each new product until vendors learn.
V8Infinite
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Sun, Jan 25@Luxe Muse
So you’re proposing that items should have royalty levels based on the number of sales ??
What do you do about all the pirated items ?
What do you do about the extremely difficult economic climate, which means people are buying less and less ?
And therefore, fewer items sold due to the economic situation, leading to a drastic drop in income since we are making fewer and fewer sales per item.
What do you do about creators who are officially registered with the tax authorities and therefore pay taxes and social charges, already facing harsh competition from all those who produce content without declaring the money they earn to the tax services ?
Do you declare your income to the tax authorities and pay the taxes that result from it before wanting to reduce the income of those who are compliant with the country’s tax system ?
So you’re proposing that items should have royalty levels based on the number of sales ??
What do you do about all the pirated items ?
What do you do about the extremely difficult economic climate, which means people are buying less and less ?
And therefore, fewer items sold due to the economic situation, leading to a drastic drop in income since we are making fewer and fewer sales per item.
What do you do about creators who are officially registered with the tax authorities and therefore pay taxes and social charges, already facing harsh competition from all those who produce content without declaring the money they earn to the tax services ?
Do you declare your income to the tax authorities and pay the taxes that result from it before wanting to reduce the income of those who are compliant with the country’s tax system ?
guy91600
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18 Hours agoIt's important to note that V8Infinite is taxed in France, which is among the top 5 countries with the highest business taxes!
In addition to transfer fees, there are also significant currency exchange fees from dollars to euros.
In addition to transfer fees, there are also significant currency exchange fees from dollars to euros.
Luxe Muse
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18 Hours ago@V8Infinite
It is just an idea, and I think your concerns might be valid, but perhaps in a context we have not discussed. The original thought is obviously just that, an idea, and as such, raw and simplistic. Further development would be required.
In fact, under my idea, I would probably always pay the highest baseline, because my numbers are not great.
Regarding piracy, I myself, even with low numbers of sales, have fallen victim to it.
I do not do taxes myself. My better half does it for us, and what I earn here is laughable, but I am sure even that he declares, he has to, we use the same bank account.
Having said that, I am not sure how it would be related to the idea I posted. You pay a fee for selling here now. That will not change. What changes, in my idea, is the structure, which would in fact incentivize less competition for people who make good products in my view, given that your products would, hopefully, not be buried under 500 one-dollar items.
It is just an idea, and I think your concerns might be valid, but perhaps in a context we have not discussed. The original thought is obviously just that, an idea, and as such, raw and simplistic. Further development would be required.
In fact, under my idea, I would probably always pay the highest baseline, because my numbers are not great.
Regarding piracy, I myself, even with low numbers of sales, have fallen victim to it.
I do not do taxes myself. My better half does it for us, and what I earn here is laughable, but I am sure even that he declares, he has to, we use the same bank account.
Having said that, I am not sure how it would be related to the idea I posted. You pay a fee for selling here now. That will not change. What changes, in my idea, is the structure, which would in fact incentivize less competition for people who make good products in my view, given that your products would, hopefully, not be buried under 500 one-dollar items.
Luxe Muse
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17 Hours agoThank you for that, @Guy. However, I don't understand how it would be related. But I am just a humble secretary and hobby artist (self-labeled, though others might disagree), so I probably don't know any better.
guy91600
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17 Hours agoI just wanted to point out that there are several types of sellers: amateurs who offer free products, amateurs who offer paid products to offset the cost of their PC and electricity, and professionals who struggle to make a living from their work.
V8Infinite is a professional, and he's worried about losing income with your idea.
Since I'm familiar with the French tax system, I just wanted to remind you that each country sets its own tax rules, and France, which redistributes a large portion of its income through social welfare, finds the money somewhere: by taking on debt and heavily taxing businesses.
V8Infinite is a professional, and he's worried about losing income with your idea.
Since I'm familiar with the French tax system, I just wanted to remind you that each country sets its own tax rules, and France, which redistributes a large portion of its income through social welfare, finds the money somewhere: by taking on debt and heavily taxing businesses.
Luxe Muse
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15 Hours agoI might have an idea, or two, to solve the world's tax problems too, 
guy91600
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9 Hours agoYou're not the only one, and my suggestion is that all countries have the same tax system
And to go a step further, the same currency, and peace on Earth, etc. etc.
And to go a step further, the same currency, and peace on Earth, etc. etc.
V8Infinite
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4 Hours ago@Luxe Muse
Well, stop with your ideas. You’re going into economic and business management theories when you’re not even registered under your country’s tax system and are simply relying on your partner’s tax declaration! And on top of that, you’re not even concerned by the issue since you admit yourself that you don’t generate volume!
On top of that, this turns into outright trolling with economic and business management concepts when you yourself are not even officially recognized, from a tax standpoint, as a creator and seller! Pay your taxes and social charges before putting forward management ideas that affect others!
You even say that you don’t personally handle your taxes—perhaps you should start by fixing that and taking care of your own affairs!
On the other hand, you said nothing about the thousands of free products. You’re aiming to lower royalties, but you completely ignore the issue of free items! That really shows your great knowledge of economics and business management!
“Regarding piracy, I myself, even with low numbers of sales, have fallen victim to it.br>
With your idea, you would sell two items at a ridiculously low royalty rate, your product would be hacked after a few days, and you would never reach a higher royalty tier since the product would stop selling once pirated.
Given your major shortcomings in economics and taxation—issues that, on the other hand, directly concern entrepreneurs who are properly registered and officially running a business—I offer you my services should you need help stepping out of the shadows. That way, you would get a clear understanding of the management absurdities you’ve presented to us: namely lowering royalties and bending over without saying a word in the face of unfair competition from free products that bring no revenue to the platform.
Well, stop with your ideas. You’re going into economic and business management theories when you’re not even registered under your country’s tax system and are simply relying on your partner’s tax declaration! And on top of that, you’re not even concerned by the issue since you admit yourself that you don’t generate volume!
On top of that, this turns into outright trolling with economic and business management concepts when you yourself are not even officially recognized, from a tax standpoint, as a creator and seller! Pay your taxes and social charges before putting forward management ideas that affect others!
You even say that you don’t personally handle your taxes—perhaps you should start by fixing that and taking care of your own affairs!
On the other hand, you said nothing about the thousands of free products. You’re aiming to lower royalties, but you completely ignore the issue of free items! That really shows your great knowledge of economics and business management!
“Regarding piracy, I myself, even with low numbers of sales, have fallen victim to it.br>
With your idea, you would sell two items at a ridiculously low royalty rate, your product would be hacked after a few days, and you would never reach a higher royalty tier since the product would stop selling once pirated.
Given your major shortcomings in economics and taxation—issues that, on the other hand, directly concern entrepreneurs who are properly registered and officially running a business—I offer you my services should you need help stepping out of the shadows. That way, you would get a clear understanding of the management absurdities you’ve presented to us: namely lowering royalties and bending over without saying a word in the face of unfair competition from free products that bring no revenue to the platform.
V8Infinite
Karma: 16,276
4 Hours ago@guy91600
Thank you for your understanding and support. You have analyzed the situation very well and demonstrated a strong knowledge of the French tax system. Income tax, URSSAF contributions (social charges) or professional taxation, corporate property taxes, and exchange rates are putting many businesses here under serious strain.
More than 50% of an entrepreneur’s work income is deducted every month, and on top of that there is 20% VAT on all equipment as well as on dematerialized needs related to the work tools (subscriptions, software, energy, etc.).
Thank you for your understanding and support. You have analyzed the situation very well and demonstrated a strong knowledge of the French tax system
. Income tax, URSSAF contributions (social charges) or professional taxation, corporate property taxes, and exchange rates are putting many businesses here under serious strain.More than 50% of an entrepreneur’s work income is deducted every month, and on top of that there is 20% VAT on all equipment as well as on dematerialized needs related to the work tools (subscriptions, software, energy, etc.).
Luxe Muse
Karma: 6,321
2 Hours agoWow... you must be hurting very badly from your situation, if this is your reaction to a simple shared idea. Perhaps the AI you are using is making it sound harsher than you intended. I don't know, but I would advise you to review my idea against your reaction, claims, and accusations. To me, you seem out of context, as the idea is completely unrelated to your tax system.
Good luck.
Good luck.