Which permanent bugs in daz studio infuriate you? (CLOSED)

For me, it's the jumping mouse when trying to zoom in/out, the de-focusing preview renders if you select anything aside from your figure…

And the ever-infuriating fuckin' thrice-cursed muthafuckin' scene item tree, that re-parents any fuckin' item if you miss the millimetre-tiny selection that is the item list on that fuckin' shitty tree!!!11!!1

A simple solution is to add grid-snapping functionality to the tree so that you don't end up parenting things to your fuckin' selection!!11! 

**NOTE: While these permanent bugs are indeed infuriating, (And NOT simply annoying) I only use colourful language to illustrate my frustration, and for comedic effect!

The timeline: when you change a pose in the middle of a sequence, if you haven't set a keyframe beforehand, everything is recalculated.
The automatic calculation is sometimes mind-bogglingan arm passing right through the body!
There's no way to temporarily disable this automatic calculation.

The worst part is that this problem has existed for years, and there hasn't been a single fix in several Daz Studio updates.

My base hair strand dosent work anymore- hence every hair that uses that build in dosent work anymore- and the daz3D team just repsondes with: have you tried to reinstall?

As a modeler, I totally hate the rigging system

The single choice 'collision Item', God forbid I want a jacket to collide against a shirt AND pants. Why would I ever need that....

Even if it's not a bug: the entire " Tool " junk (geometry editor, weight paint, bones, etc.). 
You always feel like you're sitting in front of an old 286th with a DOS interface ... including similarly clunky handling   

I will cvoncur with the jumping cursor.  Not sure why something that fundamental can not get a fix. 

I forgot one important thing: the interrupt handling is deplorable.

For those unfamiliar, interrupt handling is the temporary suspension of a computer program's execution by the microprocessor in order to run a higher-priority program.
For example, clicking the cancel button during rendering or simulation should stop the rendering or simulation immediately.

Conclusion: I've given up on creating animations.

The timeline makes me want to pull my hair out.

UHHH i have one: autosave while/after rendering!

For some reason symmetry never works correctly for me when I’m trying to weight map.

I don't know if it's even a bug, but for some of the assets, when I'm clicking on them to move them, they just don't respond to it at all, as if I have the "Selectable (In Viewport)" option turned off even though I never do. I always have to select the object from the Scene tab.

Here's a post that just appeared on Daz's forums and illustrates the many failings of Daz's sales promotions....
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/749066/no-wishful-behavior-here-watch-it
His/her English isn't perfect but the point is well illustrated.  It's almost like they pull this kinda crap on purpose to scam people before they catch on.  There is another post today about the ancient Studio problem of it not releasing VRAM after a render. 
We can list the endless problems that are never fixed but the BIGGEST problem is that Daz under James Thornton doesn't give a shit and is just there to suck as much money as it can out of the platform before dumping it and moving on to another scam.
In other forums I see an increasing number of folks saying to hell with it and either giving up, or going to AI.

Quote: In other forums I see an increasing number of folks saying to hell with it and either giving up, or going to AI.
Quote: as a seller its really sad to hear people are switching 


I know many, former long time. Daz studio users who have switch to AI.

But that's not actually, the main problem.
Daz  loses people every year from people literally dying ,getting old ,quitting due to health problems, poor, eyesight etc.
The true crisis For Daz, Renderhub etc and the 
Commercial 3D Industry in general, are the number of NEW people who will never enter into those expensive ecosystems and buy the software and buy the assets, buy the required GPU 's buy the PCs  
Those are the people they needed to continue to grow their businesses to be able to outpace Inflation, and that's where that's where they're ALL losing to AI.
Try convincing some broke kid in his 20s, who wants to get into making some kind of visual art/content 3D,2D or animation. that he has to spend thousands of dollars on a NVIDIA GPU just to get started with something like DAZ Iray, Before even buying useful content

And before anyone starts banging on about Blender and other FREE software you still need a beefy PC ,even more so now that blender is trying so hard to become like Houdini and C4D pushing up the hardware requirements

Luring that broke kid in his 20s
into those expensive ecosystem just wont happen when a Phone app on a device that we know He already owns can make stuff like this in mere seconds.

Quote:This community is made up of hobbyists, not professionals, so the hobbyist ecosystem will eventually die out as the only young folk getting into traditional 3D creation are professionals, and professionals wouldn't be caught dead buying genesis 8, content let alone G9, so unless Daz pulls its head out of its ass and focuses on the young hobbyist, then we can kiss our community goodbye!

To be fair
I don't see where there's really much Daz can do to appeal to the young hobbyists who's never going to spend thousands of dollars on a PC with NVIDIA GPU.


Again this is not entirely a DAZ 
incompetence issue.
its a complete paradigm shift away from the old business models of visual content creation.

A forum Admin, on the Reallusion forums just recently openly, admitted that they're no longer interested in appealing to hobbyists. 

They're desperately trying to compete with the Autodesk pros in the character animation space for films & games and they're failing miserably because the Blender and Maya guys ignore them completely Due to their own entrenched  ecosystem habits
They're still too expensive for the casual hobbyists
and Daz users and now, small Indie game DEV animation shops and individuals have a truly viable alternative and cascadeur pro..

Reallusion CC5 costs money the unreal engine Metahumans are free.
And again, 
Even 2D animators have no reason to buy into the Reallusion ecosystem, even for their reasonably affordable 2D animation software Cartoon animator at $150.
Because we're already at the point where AI can do much better looking and fluid to 2D animation and do it for free on the grok AI phone app.
Very exciting and disruptive times we are in.

Just found a new one.
I was creating my rigged asset with the figure setup, adding bone sequences for every group (43 face groups total).
By mistake, I remove a group.

CTRL+Z DOESN'T WORK

Have to start all the procedure from the beginning...

Only one of these is a bug, the rest are annoyances:

1.) Rendering a scene where the default viewscreen is showing, you have the option to save the result as a TIF. By doing so, you don't have to use a key color for the background as an alpha. Well, the result somehow generates a one-pixel white border around the models when you save the 2D image as a TIF. It's been a problem for well over a decade, and it isn't an issue when you save as a PNG. Now, when saving the original 2D image for further processing/printing, you should be using the TIF format, it's optimized for print. And so I was pissed when at some point, all my TIF saves had this damn one-pixel white border around my artwork. I brought this up in the DAZ forums and I was ignored.

2..) Animating in Studio is hot garbage. Meaning that you have the bare minimum. So good luck building your own animations without dumping loads of money into Studio addons and working in other programs. And if you're gonna rig and animate Studio figures elsewhere, you might as well render them elsewhere, as Iray is also half-baked as far as a render engine goes.

3.) The weight painting tools feel like a trip to the dentist.

4.) Rigging is a dumpster fire.

Studio suffers from feature creep. The result is a whole lot of half-baked stuff shoehorned into spaghetti code, it excells at character creation and nothing else. It's also a vehicle for walled garden content sales. But I knew what I was getting into.

I'm feeling like I need to add two more annoying things. Not bugs, but two tools that are missing and that shouldn't be since this is mostly a render program.

- There isn't a light/link, so you have to be very surgical in putting a light if you want to focus on a certain tiny detail without illuminating the objects around.
- You cannot make a mesh a light. Yes, you can switch its emissive on, but it will not work as a light as well, so you cannot make its geometry invisible during the render.

If I'm wrong, please corretct me, since I'm smashing my head on the keyboard

Bottomline is,  Daz Studio is still running with old code for backward compatibility.  Unreal Game Engine gets completely rewritten from line 1 every couple years,  that's why UNreal can push 5 billion polies and an entire city of building in real time, at 30 frames a second, with vehicles animated,  and NPC animated,  and volumetrics,   and DazStudio with the exact same hardware,  has issues with 3 characters models and need to calculate a smulation even before it can render.  

Why is anybody thinking Daz offers anything of value going forward ?  

Quote:Why is anybody thinking Daz offers anything of value going forward ? 


Well, to be fair, the value in a software is completely determined by the user base and what their needs and expectations are
It really has nothing to do with how that software compares to another software that's built for an entirely different purpose.

Much like poser before it, Daz studio offers an easy convenient ecosystem of prefabricated content that allows its users to make largely still renders of that content.

These prefabricated ecosystems create a comfort bubble that most of their users will never venture outside of.

You could sit here and marvel at what unreal engine could do all day .
But the reality is the average DAZ studio user is never going to endure the vicissitudes of learning the unreal engine interface or the Blender interface or any other interface, other than what he has already been using since he first got into 3D with Daz studio.


Quote:I keep wondering if it's possible/easy/do-able or worthwhile to use Daz stuff in Unreal.


Yes it is possible  however once you export a Daz genesis figure outside of DAZ studio, you immediately lose your proprietary DAZ HD morph Details and your JCM,s which will have to be re-created inside whatever software external you are using as well as sort out how you going to convert those Iray shaders to the shader system of the render engine of that, external software that you exported your Genesis figure out to.

If no,t your mighty Genesis just becomes just another random untextured NPC, FBX, figure no different from any base 3D character rig found in any other 3D program.

So as long as the majority of DAZ studio, users remain besotted by this notion, that the DAZ Genesis figures are the absolute peak of 3D figure creation. 
DAZ has nothing to worry about as far as losing their existing user base, except of course to AI, which is a completely different discussion.

https://bitbucket.org/Diffeomorphic/import_daz/wiki/Home
This add-on for blender will import a Daz Genesis 3-9 into blender and approximate the joint control morphs blenders blend shape system and convert "most" of the shader for blender cycles render engine,
However, it does not support the Daz HD morphing system, so if you are depending on HD morphs for character detail, you are going to be disappointed.

What exasperates me are not really bugs but the choice of default parameters that need to be thought about to modify each time for example
*) surface tab presets and not Editor
*) the default parameter values of Environment Options:
Dome and Scene 
Dome orientation
*) the parameters of dForce

The lack of control over full skirts with the Genesis in pose A, which follow the arms when applying a pose