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Hi all! Please advise a software that can easily make animations and export to Daz Studio. It seemed to me not very convenient to do animation in Daz Studio itself. =(
I'm interested in convenience when working with keys, and a minimum of problems when exporting back and forth.
I'm interested in convenience when working with keys, and a minimum of problems when exporting back and forth.
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For me the best and easiest way to make general animations for genesis is iclone, but it's paid and it's quite expensive, but it's easy to make animations and then bring them to daz.
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Tark_Ark
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Thu, May 04, 2023I didn't even think about iclone, I'll look on YouTube for information on how people work with it. Thank you.
I agree with @supremoomega, go with Character Creator & iClone, although as far as being expensive, they do have bundle sales quite often so you can get several software apps together for relatively cheaper. They give a ton of stuff away free too like Accurig for rigging your won characters and models.
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Tark_Ark
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Thu, May 04, 2023People advise so many different programs that I will soon be torn to pieces. =) I want to try everything and find the best option.
This is the "mother" of all questions.
First I would like to let you know, i was asking myself the same question 2 years ago. To find out the right answer, i made a video about it.
here is the link to my video:
There is no simple answer to your question. It depends on what you want to create. In fact and "only for my projects" i gave up with it. As you found out by yourself, the process of the creation of the animations in DAZ Studio is low and takes a lot of time. The render result in 4k ist perfect (i also made a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhkLi_n99m4), but you need a lot of time, CPU and GPU Power to render it out. Maybe in your case a renderfarm can be helpful. For my projects a renderfarm was too expensive and to upgrade the hardware of my computer will cost about 5000$ - 7000$. For me as a hobby user its not worth it.
I agree with creating animations in iclone. Its done really fast and easy. Since last year (i think) they offer a very nice text to speach option in combination with ai voices from replica studios. This is really cool stuff - but same as i found out in my video already - no way to get the lipsync animations out of iclone. Its not possible to bring it back to DAZ Studio. Also since last year they offer a possability to render out in iray with rtx 3090 support. It works - but for me i was not happy with the result. I purchased a lot of software from reallusion (nearly 2000$) and i found out (only for my projects) its useless.
If you will stay with DAZ Studio you need a couple of add on software tools. They are helpful to reduce the time of creating the animations (i will give you a link list of some tools at the end) and some of them are a must have. Also "in my projects" i need text to speach - there is only one tool that offers this option - Anilip2. All other lipsync tools are cool - but you need to be or to become an actor. You need to speak live and in front of a camera - its nothing for me - but maybe for you. As you can see in my videos the lipsync is awfull. The problem is not the creation in DAZ (there it works very good) - the problem is to bring it to video. If you render in "DAZ avi - mode" the result is ok. If you render in "picture series mode" its not.
You will come to a point where you want to animate fire or smoke or rain and stuff like that. With the last update of DAZ Studio you can now animate particle fx with "VDB" files - if you want to render it out as an animation - make sure your PC is very fast your grafix card is state of the art - like rtx 3090 or better. There are some other options like boris fx - but you can use them only in the post production process. Hopefully my thoughts could help a bit.
Good luck to your projects!
link list of useful animation Tools for DAZ:
Daz Speech Salad - ANIBLOCKS
https://www.patreon.com/posts/41001292
DAZ Anilip2 - text to speach
https://www.daz3d.com/anilip-2
Boris FX - particle system - post production
https://borisfx.com/downloads/?product=particle%20illusion
Audiojungle - Music and sound fx
https://audiojungle.net/
Replica Studios - AI human voices
https://replicastudios.com/
DAZ Second instance - DAZ x 2 or x3
https://www.versluis.com/2021/02/daz-second-instance/
DAZ Spring Dynamics - wobble add on
https://www.daz3d.com/spring-dynamics-for-daz-studio
Mixamotion plugin for DAZ - converts all animations from mixamo.com
link is dead - i did not find it in the internet - maybe someone can add link
look@cam DAZ plugin - from mcj stare
https://sites.google.com/site/mcasualsdazscripts2/mcjlookatthecamera
First I would like to let you know, i was asking myself the same question 2 years ago. To find out the right answer, i made a video about it.
here is the link to my video:
There is no simple answer to your question. It depends on what you want to create. In fact and "only for my projects" i gave up with it. As you found out by yourself, the process of the creation of the animations in DAZ Studio is low and takes a lot of time. The render result in 4k ist perfect (i also made a video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhkLi_n99m4), but you need a lot of time, CPU and GPU Power to render it out. Maybe in your case a renderfarm can be helpful. For my projects a renderfarm was too expensive and to upgrade the hardware of my computer will cost about 5000$ - 7000$. For me as a hobby user its not worth it.
I agree with creating animations in iclone. Its done really fast and easy. Since last year (i think) they offer a very nice text to speach option in combination with ai voices from replica studios. This is really cool stuff - but same as i found out in my video already - no way to get the lipsync animations out of iclone. Its not possible to bring it back to DAZ Studio. Also since last year they offer a possability to render out in iray with rtx 3090 support. It works - but for me i was not happy with the result. I purchased a lot of software from reallusion (nearly 2000$) and i found out (only for my projects) its useless.
If you will stay with DAZ Studio you need a couple of add on software tools. They are helpful to reduce the time of creating the animations (i will give you a link list of some tools at the end) and some of them are a must have. Also "in my projects" i need text to speach - there is only one tool that offers this option - Anilip2. All other lipsync tools are cool - but you need to be or to become an actor. You need to speak live and in front of a camera - its nothing for me - but maybe for you. As you can see in my videos the lipsync is awfull. The problem is not the creation in DAZ (there it works very good) - the problem is to bring it to video. If you render in "DAZ avi - mode" the result is ok. If you render in "picture series mode" its not.
You will come to a point where you want to animate fire or smoke or rain and stuff like that. With the last update of DAZ Studio you can now animate particle fx with "VDB" files - if you want to render it out as an animation - make sure your PC is very fast your grafix card is state of the art - like rtx 3090 or better. There are some other options like boris fx - but you can use them only in the post production process. Hopefully my thoughts could help a bit.
Good luck to your projects!
link list of useful animation Tools for DAZ:
Daz Speech Salad - ANIBLOCKS
https://www.patreon.com/posts/41001292
DAZ Anilip2 - text to speach
https://www.daz3d.com/anilip-2
Boris FX - particle system - post production
https://borisfx.com/downloads/?product=particle%20illusion
Audiojungle - Music and sound fx
https://audiojungle.net/
Replica Studios - AI human voices
https://replicastudios.com/
DAZ Second instance - DAZ x 2 or x3
https://www.versluis.com/2021/02/daz-second-instance/
DAZ Spring Dynamics - wobble add on
https://www.daz3d.com/spring-dynamics-for-daz-studio
Mixamotion plugin for DAZ - converts all animations from mixamo.com
link is dead - i did not find it in the internet - maybe someone can add link
look@cam DAZ plugin - from mcj stare
https://sites.google.com/site/mcasualsdazscripts2/mcjlookatthecamera
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Tark_Ark
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Fri, May 05, 2023Thank you so much for giving such an extensive answer and sharing your experience!!! =)
ipixel
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Fri, May 05, 2023I forgot to give you a worm advise to take your time and become familar with powerpose and puppeteer. The first couple of hours you will spend on youtube to find a usefull video. After the next couple of hours you will get usefull results with this tools. After a weekend of trying out you will be able to animate your droid smooth and soft.
Good Luck!
Good Luck!
Tark_Ark
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Fri, May 05, 2023Thank you again! I will gradually go in this direction, because my main direction is 3d modeling.) All the best to you!
Hannes W
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Wed, Jun 07, 2023I found out, if U reduce the texture from 4k down to 512B, U see no differences in the result.
Figure tex down to 1024 in most cases more then good. Try it and play with it until it is good 4 U
Figure tex down to 1024 in most cases more then good. Try it and play with it until it is good 4 U
ninjxc
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Sun, Dec 24, 2023I've only recently decided to animate with Daz and everything you've said, I found out the hard way. Currently my CPU is an i9 11th gen with an rtx 3000 series gpu, in a 24 hour period I've managed to render 60 frames from an 827 frame 25 second animation. I've calculated it'll take me 2 weeks to render a 25 second animation. In my case that's unworkable since I can't use my pc for anything else while it's rendering or Daz crashes.
sensi2fr
Karma: 132
Fri, Mar 22, 2024In many cases you can really lower your animation rendering time by:
- only rendering what needs to be animated (as an image series of transparent png images), and then integrate the rest -fixed background and/or foreground elements, rendered separately as transparent png images- when you encode your video from your image series (i use ffmpeg to do so)
- decrease the overall render quality from Daz, in "render settings" try with "max samples" as low as 100 and up to 1000 (depending of the subject complexity) and "rendering quality enable" to Off; as it is animated many details changes will be imperceptible to the human eye and its a waste of time to fully render those in that context, if needs to be (e.g. dots actually showing up as if it wasn't completely rendered, mostly in dark/low light scenes) apply denoize in daz ("render settings" > "filtering" > "post denoizer available" > "On") or when you will encode your video.
etc
My two cents.
- only rendering what needs to be animated (as an image series of transparent png images), and then integrate the rest -fixed background and/or foreground elements, rendered separately as transparent png images- when you encode your video from your image series (i use ffmpeg to do so)
- decrease the overall render quality from Daz, in "render settings" try with "max samples" as low as 100 and up to 1000 (depending of the subject complexity) and "rendering quality enable" to Off; as it is animated many details changes will be imperceptible to the human eye and its a waste of time to fully render those in that context, if needs to be (e.g. dots actually showing up as if it wasn't completely rendered, mostly in dark/low light scenes) apply denoize in daz ("render settings" > "filtering" > "post denoizer available" > "On") or when you will encode your video.
etc
My two cents.
I knew I'd find the info I want and need here at the forum and here it is. Thank you very much ipixel, your work on this answer is very appreciated. Now I guess I'll have to look at how much iclone costs... and then wail and beat my chest in righteous anguish. Ahhhh, another day of drama.
Time to start watching tutorials.
Time to start watching tutorials.
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