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deathdSun, Aug 31
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Just figured I would give a heads up to any daz studio user thinking about getting a 5XXX GPU. Daz studio will not work with it, and won't work with it until they release daz studio 5. Daz studio 5 has supposedly been cooking for many years, and is vaporware in my book at this point in time lol. I just figured I would give anyone thinking about it a warning. Found the info in the daz studio forums, I know not everyone goes there these days.
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OOps, forgot ti give the link to the forum post I found https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/716486/nvidia-5090/p2
Scroll down a bit, and richard(Moderator over there) says
"The 50x0 cards are not supported by the current version of iray. According to information I was given yesterday the 2024.0 version of iray (which may have had support) had bugs and will not be integrated, the new 2024.1 uses a different C++ version and so cannot be integrated into DS 4.x.x.x. 50x0 support will therefore have to wait for the next major version of Daz Studio, for which I do not have an ETA."
Scroll down a bit, and richard(Moderator over there) says
"The 50x0 cards are not supported by the current version of iray. According to information I was given yesterday the 2024.0 version of iray (which may have had support) had bugs and will not be integrated, the new 2024.1 uses a different C++ version and so cannot be integrated into DS 4.x.x.x. 50x0 support will therefore have to wait for the next major version of Daz Studio, for which I do not have an ETA."
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Finally the stock shortage (the fake shortage) will have some good, I wanted to get one as soon as it came out... I would have looked like a moron with an overpriced GPU that doesn't even work with Iray 2k24...
It's really a big mess, there's also damage at Adobe, I made a topic about it, notably with Substance 3D and baking that didn't work on certain things. (which still doesn't work).
What's worrying is going back to the Nvidia drivers, it worked for a while and then there's damage again, even with old drivers that didn't have any problems...
Anyway, we can't do anything, we have to wait for Nvidia to fix it and for Daz to release the famous version 5...
It's really a big mess, there's also damage at Adobe, I made a topic about it, notably with Substance 3D and baking that didn't work on certain things. (which still doesn't work).
What's worrying is going back to the Nvidia drivers, it worked for a while and then there's damage again, even with old drivers that didn't have any problems...
Anyway, we can't do anything, we have to wait for Nvidia to fix it and for Daz to release the famous version 5...
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deathd
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Mon, Feb 24Another good heads up, I am sure plenty of vendor folk would need to know substance is having issues as well. I bet they get it fixed faster than daz studio though lol.
deathd
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Mon, Feb 24For a big name graphic program maker like adobe, I am surprised they aren't part of the beta testing team to make sure it goes smooth on launch lol.
3 days ago my driver broke and I forgot to save it, and I put several versions, which daz did not recognize, daz is screwed with the nvidia drivers.
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I just wish Daz would be more transparent about the Daz5 release date, as in months, a year, years. I'm needing a new PC and while I had planned on getting one with a 5090 for the 32 gigs of vram, if its going to be a paper weight for an indefinite amount of time its just not worth it for the price. On the flip side if I decided to buy something with the overpriced 4090's and Daz5 came out a month after I bought it I'd probably be pretty ticked off at that as well.
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V8Infinite
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Tue, Feb 25The only thing to do is wait... The community is fragmented between G9 / G8 users, the market is stagnating, no Genesis 10 in sight, no Daz 5 approaching, the new RTX 50 in ridiculous quantities and at wtf prices, broken drivers...
The version of Daz 5, I think, will have to be massive with big updates to its source code, additions of specific Iray functions (motion blur, cutting planes, etc.), D-Force updates and above all have the solid foundations for the potential future Genesis 10... Maybe everything will suddenly speed up and follow one another (Daz 5 + Gen10 + RTX 50 at a fair price and end of shortage) that would allow the market to be given a boost by starting again on a new gen, new standards and good foundations. (in my opinion for this year it's dead and the wait risks being very long, unless we have some good surprises I hope)
The version of Daz 5, I think, will have to be massive with big updates to its source code, additions of specific Iray functions (motion blur, cutting planes, etc.), D-Force updates and above all have the solid foundations for the potential future Genesis 10... Maybe everything will suddenly speed up and follow one another (Daz 5 + Gen10 + RTX 50 at a fair price and end of shortage) that would allow the market to be given a boost by starting again on a new gen, new standards and good foundations. (in my opinion for this year it's dead and the wait risks being very long, unless we have some good surprises I hope)
dirtrider00
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Tue, Feb 25I'm not really interested in Daz5, Gen10 and such, I was just wanting a 5090 for the 32 gigs of Vram. Planned on sticking with G8/G8.1 regardless. I'll probably just go with a rig with a 4090 in it cause I don't think my current PC can wait on Daz developers.
V8Infinite
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Tue, Feb 25It's all related, Iray will have to modify its code to support the Series 50 and Daz Studio won't be able to support it in its current state. Otherwise I'm in the same case... Of course, Nvidia stopped the production of the Series 40, the 4090 are at exorbitant prices today...
dirtrider00
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Tue, Feb 25Yep, I figured I'd just stick with Daz 4...blah, blah, blah. Just took the plunge and spent 5k on a new rig with the 4090 before the 4090's are bought up. 
V8Infinite
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Tue, Feb 25it's ok then. Imagine I'm making with a 4070 Super XD It's a calf 😫
They have been talkin about DS5 for years now lol. I don't believe it even exists at this point. Maybe I am wrong, if I am, this issue should give them a kick in the pants to get a move on I hope lol. That said, I probably won't be using it when it comes out. It will probably be chalk full of phone home DRM and other non-sense I have no interest in. I haven't even updated to the version there is now that needs to phone home every once in a while to verify or whatever.
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People should consider the possibility
that the Dumb ,Old, brute force path tracer Iray may soon be EOL'd entirely by NVIDIA
and good riddance.
I don't understand why you would even buy a modern RTX card to use with a render engine that does not support RTX realtime path tracing.
Reallusion Iclone had a brief & disasterous optional Iray render plugin and quickly abandoned it for an exporter to NVIDIA omniverse.
The obvious next step for Daz is to actually deliver on their seemingly
abandoned promise of export to NVIDIA
omniverse ,around the same time they teased this AI driven Character creation system in June 2023 and went silent about ever since.
that the Dumb ,Old, brute force path tracer Iray may soon be EOL'd entirely by NVIDIA
and good riddance.
I don't understand why you would even buy a modern RTX card to use with a render engine that does not support RTX realtime path tracing.
Reallusion Iclone had a brief & disasterous optional Iray render plugin and quickly abandoned it for an exporter to NVIDIA omniverse.
The obvious next step for Daz is to actually deliver on their seemingly
abandoned promise of export to NVIDIA
omniverse ,around the same time they teased this AI driven Character creation system in June 2023 and went silent about ever since.
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V8Infinite
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Tue, Feb 25It could be a big shake-up but also the return of Daz in the race with an Omniverse and Genesis 10 combo.
There will never be a Studio 5. This 'Tafi' cancer came on the scene about the time that Daz_Raub announced Studio 5. He then quit or was fired. Tafi is nothing but an equity firm hellbent on sucking as much money out of Daz as possible with short sighted schemes like NFTs, their version of AI and now Premiere. Daz will eventually become non profitable and Tafi will dump it for as much as they can get out of it.
This would be a perfect opportunity for Rendo to swoop in with an updated Poser that natively supported the Daz format (and had a non-stupid GUI, AND was reasonably stable). That won't ever happen so keep all versions of Studio saved.
This would be a perfect opportunity for Rendo to swoop in with an updated Poser that natively supported the Daz format (and had a non-stupid GUI, AND was reasonably stable). That won't ever happen so keep all versions of Studio saved.
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Nvidia has already depreciated Iray. Daz Studio will never tell their users that though lest the simple folk rise up become learned and spread dissent into the rank and file. You can find posts about people asking what happened to it in Omniverse, in Nvidia's developer only forum.
https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/rtx-iray-option-missing/304714
https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/rtx-accurate-iray-deprecated/310178
https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/isaac-sim-accurate-iray-renderer/270790/2
From what I have gathered, Omniverse RTX Renderer is supposed to be its replacement being capable of realtime rendering. There's not very many references about it to be found unless you like digging through technical forums for developers, but several 3d applications have already moved away from Iray, such as SolidWorks and iClone. Even Nvidia does not facilitate the sale of Iray licenses anymore and have delegated it to a third party.
So Daz3d is just milking whatever they can out of their customers and Daz Studio itself will probably go out the same way Carrara, Bryce, and Hexagon have. That said, I'm still guilty of buying their shit heh.
https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/rtx-iray-option-missing/304714
https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/rtx-accurate-iray-deprecated/310178
https://forums.developer.nvidia.com/t/isaac-sim-accurate-iray-renderer/270790/2
From what I have gathered, Omniverse RTX Renderer is supposed to be its replacement being capable of realtime rendering. There's not very many references about it to be found unless you like digging through technical forums for developers, but several 3d applications have already moved away from Iray, such as SolidWorks and iClone. Even Nvidia does not facilitate the sale of Iray licenses anymore and have delegated it to a third party.
So Daz3d is just milking whatever they can out of their customers and Daz Studio itself will probably go out the same way Carrara, Bryce, and Hexagon have. That said, I'm still guilty of buying their shit heh.
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Not surprising
Iray was originally a loss leader product to sell NVIDIA GPUs
to the Arch vis community.
Omniverse ,with its RTX support, now fills that role
so there is no valid business reason for NIVIDIA to continue to develop
a slow brute for path tracer like Iray in the age of RTX.
This is Daz's patchwork approach to leveling up Daz studio
coming back to bite them hard.
They leased the 32bit mimic tech without license permission to recompile it for 64 bit.
leaving 64 bit lipsincing to paid third party plugins that will all be broken by DS5
They leased ,and then bought, the nonlinear motion mixing system AniMate2 from "Gofigure:"
A system that was designed for millenium figures up to
Genesis 2.
Has limited functionality with G3-8 and is useless with G9
They leased a Dynamic cloth system from Optitex under the ridiculous terms that its full functionality required special "dyncloth" meshes sold by optitex only and a paid plugin for full function.
Until some vendor at Renderosity reverse engineered "Dyncloth"
with an $8 dollar Daz script forcing Daz to abandon optitex
and develop Dforce.
Iray was originally a loss leader product to sell NVIDIA GPUs
to the Arch vis community.
Omniverse ,with its RTX support, now fills that role
so there is no valid business reason for NIVIDIA to continue to develop
a slow brute for path tracer like Iray in the age of RTX.
This is Daz's patchwork approach to leveling up Daz studio
coming back to bite them hard.
They leased the 32bit mimic tech without license permission to recompile it for 64 bit.
leaving 64 bit lipsincing to paid third party plugins that will all be broken by DS5
They leased ,and then bought, the nonlinear motion mixing system AniMate2 from "Gofigure:"
A system that was designed for millenium figures up to
Genesis 2.
Has limited functionality with G3-8 and is useless with G9
They leased a Dynamic cloth system from Optitex under the ridiculous terms that its full functionality required special "dyncloth" meshes sold by optitex only and a paid plugin for full function.
Until some vendor at Renderosity reverse engineered "Dyncloth"
with an $8 dollar Daz script forcing Daz to abandon optitex
and develop Dforce.
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I just found out about this recently.. after upgrading mine.. (cause the 50 series is oddly cheaper than the 40 series in my country) so bummed out I had to go back to my old GPU. I hope it'll be compatible soon.
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Well a Daz forum mod has stated that the next version of Daz studio (DS5) will have an updated version of Iray that support the new 5 series cards.
However ,as DS5 will break all existing third party plugins,.
each individual will have to decide for themselves if it is worth possibly losing many utilities just to use your 5090 for rendering.
However ,as DS5 will break all existing third party plugins,.
each individual will have to decide for themselves if it is worth possibly losing many utilities just to use your 5090 for rendering.
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suffo
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Tue, Apr 22Funnily enough Daz3d released "Daz Studio 2025" today, it's an "alpha" build that is completely identical to 4.23 except of course none of your plugins work anymore. Haha. But hey apparently it's supposed to support Nvidia 5000 series cards.
Well at least people with 5 series GPUs can possibly set up their scenes in 4.23 with all of their plugins then save and render them in DS 2025
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Unless they end up reworking all the plugins for free as a show of good faith, I probably won't end up using the next iteration of DS much. Will probably use it for just creating loaders for my products or whatever, but stick with the version I have now, which isn't even current for making renders. I didn't install the one that had the stupid call home to verify nonsense.
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yvesab
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Tue, Apr 291) on the Nvidia page, there was noted a DS version compatible "in april",
Daz people released an "alpha" Based on QT6. Probably in a hurry.
2) I've seldom seen them offering an upgrade for any plugin or script : you pay for the same thing at each generation of the Genesis people
3) If you're not happy : there's the Octane plugin or filament.
Things changed a lot since they were bought by Tafi. Their customer policy was sub-par, it' just even worse now.
It's really too bad Poser is not able to use Genfigures since G3
I'm not a techy, but I dont see any program both as easy and affordable. I tried Blender : it's way too different for my aging brain !
Daz people released an "alpha" Based on QT6. Probably in a hurry.
2) I've seldom seen them offering an upgrade for any plugin or script : you pay for the same thing at each generation of the Genesis people
3) If you're not happy : there's the Octane plugin or filament.
Things changed a lot since they were bought by Tafi. Their customer policy was sub-par, it' just even worse now.
It's really too bad Poser is not able to use Genfigures since G3
I'm not a techy, but I dont see any program both as easy and affordable. I tried Blender : it's way too different for my aging brain !
Any updates on RTX 50 series cards and DAZ Studio?
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V8Infinite
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Sat, Aug 30Blackwell will never be able to work on the current Daz, we will have to wait for the official release of Daz 2025.
deathd
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Sat, Aug 30I think they have an alpha version that works with the 50xx now. Not tried it out yet, as I have a 4090, and am happy with my current DS version.
V8Infinite
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Sun, Aug 31Yes Alpha works with Series 50. The 4090 can still last for many years.
I can fit bigger scenes into Vue with this current computer that render faster than they do with iRay, which in and of itself is kind of mind blowing. And most of the Daz products that are iRay do not import into Vue well at all. They look like crap to be honest unless they have a separate object file with non-iRay materials, ie., 3D Delight or Poser versions.
Summer and fall are insanely busy for me with web clients, family, friends, and all the outside stuff I do for the seasons. So winter looks like the perfect time to really look into UE for me. I bought a ton of older stuff and current stuff from Daz with all the sales, some from here, so I'm really good for a while at least. And I have not upgraded my DS either, keeping the 4.22 version for now cause everything works just fine. I also have a bunch of drivers downloaded for my NIVIDIA card, so I think I'm set for a while.
Summer and fall are insanely busy for me with web clients, family, friends, and all the outside stuff I do for the seasons. So winter looks like the perfect time to really look into UE for me. I bought a ton of older stuff and current stuff from Daz with all the sales, some from here, so I'm really good for a while at least. And I have not upgraded my DS either, keeping the 4.22 version for now cause everything works just fine. I also have a bunch of drivers downloaded for my NIVIDIA card, so I think I'm set for a while.
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deathd
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Sun, Aug 31been a long time since I messed with vue, that was my first real rendering program, was amazing for landscapes.
