AI Content Policy and Guidelines | Feedback Requested (CLOSED) (CLOSED)

And its use in the forums is a bit mixed - posts aren't allowed, but images are if used in certain contexts. I get AI generated spambot posts, which IMO would just fall under spambot stuff; however, one could easily use AI text in much the same way one can use an AI image - to highlight a point or make some commentary on today's AI. I'm also under the impression that people will use AI as some sort of translator in the event they're communicating in a language they're a bit rough with.

I do agree that not allowing AI images in avatars is a bit weird, especially when the current policy allows it for promotional material. Promo material has more of an impact on this place than a forum avatar.

Yeah, allowing it for promotional material but not for forum avatars is a bit... weird. The former has more of an impact on the site than the latter.

I think a sensible way to implement it would be to require the following:

- All A.I. generated or assisted promotional images must clearly show the text "A.I. was used in the generation of this image".
- All A.I. generated or assisted promotional videos must clearly show the text "A.I. was used in the generation of this video".

Additionally:

- In the case of videos, the message needs to be clearly visible throughout the entire length of the video.
- Notice should be given that failure to disclose the use of A.I.in a marketplace is a fraudulent activity.

Everything I just wrote is designed purely to stop other creators from being devauled, and the marketplace users from being screwed. It all seems perfectly fair considering the problem these types pose to the rest of us. They would never get away wth it on any website of mine, and I would like to think that RenderHub would never stand for it, either.

The implementation I just suggested is fail-safe in that anyone looking at a promotional image or video that used A.I. is guaranteed to be made a ware of the fact that it is. Not everyone reads descriptions, so it's important that these notices are clearly on each individual image and video that used A.I. anywhere in its production.

Thanks for the feedback, I like the idea of the "A.I. was used" flag, we will be implementing this shortly.

Cheers RenderHub, really pleased to hear it and it's definitely needed!

During product submission, vendors are now required to disclose if AI has been used in the promo images or video.
The disclosure now appears prominently on the product page, like here:

https://www.renderhub.com/lisson4321/jommy-proline-morphs-for-genesis-8-1-female

Thank you for the feedback, and feel free to comment further.

Great to see (and that's a perfect example of a what I was talking about), but it's far too easy to miss, whereas having a policy whereby the notice is visible on every promotional image (and visible throughout the length of every promotional video), would be 100% unmissable to the viewer.

Persoanlly, I'm really pleased you've done something to address it. It's not the fact that it's being used, it's the dishonesty in not being clear to people that it was. Personally I would require the notice be part of any image or video that uses A.I, because that's the only way to make the notice impossible to miss.

I would still keep that tag system in place though, regardless of whether you require it on the image.

Just wanted to update and point out that I really wish you'd remove the tag system. I'm sincerely very grateful that you took steps to fix the problem, but actually, the tag system will create more problems while not fully addressing the one it was meant to.

The first problem, as already hghlighted is that it can be missed. The second problem is that it acts as a blanket-notice to the entire product, because doing it that way means that the images that don't use A.I are also being collectively labelled. For example the link you gave, sure, he uses A.I. in the video, but at the same time, he's still a good artist and is producing characters that look good even without it, yet the rest of his promotional material is being blanket-labelled by the use of the tag.

Again, I cannot stress it enough. It's not the use of A.I. that is the problem, it's just the lack of disclosure. But since disclosure is image (or in this case video) dependant, then surely the simple requirement to display the notice on the actual media that uses it, would be the better option in every case. It cannot be missed, and doesn't blanket-cover everything else in the way that a tag does.

If you're wondering how to implement it, it's dead easy, since all you would need to do is simply require it as part of RenderHub's product submission ToS. It's much better than a tag system, is unmissable in use, and requires nothing more than an update to the ToS.

So I personally don't like the tag system and I hope you change it. But either way, thanks for looking into the problem.

Agreed mostly. Is using "AI denoiser" allowed? One of my biggest annoyances is people that use the "AI denoiser" in DS promos, it can hide flaws in texture maps. It often comes out looking like one of those ancient PS painterly filters lol. My promo images are always raw renders, no "AI denoising" at all, so people can actually see what they are getting. Only postwork I do is cropping, composition and levels adjustments.

I agree. I think more clarification in that area would be a good idea. So many people are now refining their own images using AI, so that should be mentioned.

Love your G9 Itziar character, and will definitely buy as soon as I have my download issues sorted!

Sounds fair in theory, but personally I'd be hesitant to show a postworked render alongside the pre-postworked version.

- REASON 1 - People will realise how little effort I put into the actual render, and see how shoddy it looks in the raw.
- REASON 2 -:I use a custom-developed grain-processing network that I developed for DaVinci Resolve Studio.

The latter is quite a concern, because if I were to show a before and after, it would take A.I a whole microsecond to reverse-engineer my potwork processess by subtracting my shoddy render from the finished image. And even without A.I, it wouldn't take a seasoned postworker very long to figure-out how a lot of the processes were done.

And anyway, A.I. generated images aren't (anywhere near) the same sort of thing as doing your own postwork on your own render.

In your opinion is it the same to do a postwork manually and to have it done by a software? Obviously those who do not use AI, do not even use Adobe's with Photoshop, simply, in my opinion, that is no longer my job and I do not feel it is mine, what is the point of spending hours creating and setting up a scene and then having a software do the work? At that point use AI directly, manual postwork requires time and commitment and does not always give good results.

I don't know if that question was for Moogee, or me, but just in case it was me, I get far more enjoyment out of postworking my renders than I get out of rendering them in the first place. So for me, and in my opinion, postworking is an art in itself!

It's not something I would ever leave to an automated plugin, or A.I.

Sorry, it was a reply to the comment above yours, I think the same as you