Is 3D an art? Share your thoughts (CLOSED)

Do you have the freedom to do what you want, if you are capable of it? Did a 3D work evoke any emotions in you? If so, you have your answer, everything is subjective.

I created this thread based on what I understood from reading
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10817/inappropriate-content
If artists, painters, and sculptors can use naked children in their works, then why is it not possible in 3D?
Can we deduce from this that the authors of 3D drawings are not artists?

I read that thread, and I understand what you mean, that's why I said it's subjective, I have no interest in that type of art, whether it's a drawing, a 3D work or a sculpture, maybe for many we don't make art, but we try, I hope a moderator closes that post, the seller asked for guidelines, many times it's simple, just reply, it seems they have an interest in inflaming posts

That thread is now gone.

I echo what the Joker said 100%.

But if I were to give a straight, everyday girl's answer, then mine would be "absolutely yes."

Regarding what I said on that thread that's now gone, I just can't stand the internet and the absurdity of it all. If left to them, they would be painting over Donatello's paintings at Prato or Quaglio's ceiling fresco at Saint Nicholas.

I don't have a reason to recreate a scene with an innocent cupid or a baby angel, but good luck if that's what you want to do these days.

And no, it is not modernism or because we "know better." This is regression, pure and simple.

Almost nobody cares what tools you use, or what process you go through, they care about the end result. The ones who do care, are pedantists. Most everyone in a particular field will "nerd out" about particulars, because that's part of what brings us together as artists. But it's more like exchanges I have had with illustrators in Artist Alley at the shows I have attended. I ran across a vector graphics artist back in 2015, him and I nerded out over vector graphics and software, as I have dipped my toes in Inkscape a few times.

At the same show, I nerded out with Chris Claremont (creator of X-Men), he draws with a pen and pencil, I "draw" in 3-D software. The commonality is that we are both character designers and storytellers. I met Elias Chatzoudis, who was at the time, my favorite illustrator. We just talked about art. And I told him that I was really struggling with growing my audience. I picked out a few prints to buy, and he said "Nah, don't worry about it. We're artists". I cried so hard, and I felt embarassed, but I told him how much I appreciated him and his encouragement. In the end we're all pretty much doing the same thing. Using tools to bring our imagined world into something the world can see. And a real artist will never tell someone that art is confined to a few "acceptable" tools. At work I once gathered a bunch of sawdust on our loading ramp, shaped it into a circle, then made a smiley face. Took a picture of it and shared it, mainly as a gag. Then I observed how that image slowly wore away by foot and cart traffic until it was pretty much a shadow. Yep, even that can be considered art.

I agree, I have been in the art field since the 70's (yes I'm old). This was a discussion way back then when modern art started and again when abstract art started being a thing.. So the real question should be what is art and what is an artist. First it is from a human who espress or communicate ideas, emotions or experiences through creative and skillful means. There are a very wide variety of forms for the creation of art. Ultimately, art is a human endeavor that elicits aesthetic responses and can convey meaning beyond language.

3D is just another tool like IB2024 stated. 3D can take a long time to create, it encompasses all the traditional skills, including textures, placement, context, composition, color, lighting, perspective and it is also a part of the storytelling area combining 2D rendering stills to animation and even movies. We I believe have the best of the past, we can now do so much more than the traditional painting to a new era where everything is combined into new and amazing tools that the Renaissance artists of the past would truly envy the artists of today.

I believe programming (software engineering), is truly an art form as well, let alone design!

@Luxe Muse:

You got that right! I've seen some very elegant code that made my ears prick up - especially with regard to my own spaghetti code writings (which still worked ... somehow

honestly a good point from Luxe. software engineering can lead to having delicate and even unique interfaces and functionality, combining that with design as well

@Pushee-Ri
Spaghetti code: but you only think about eating, it's not possible.
If 12 hours then
Goto kitchen
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Interessting post
Quote:
"What is considered art is already a subjective query."
I disagree with that completely.
But then:
"Anything tht you use as a source and medium to portray your world or thoughts is initself Art"
And I completely agree on that.
The thing is, those two statement are contradicting themselves.
In the second quote you layed out perfectly, why art is not just subjective to everyone. Art has criterias and your second quote is an important one.
3d art is like real world sculpting, if you create something from scratch or it is like photography if you are using pre existing 3d modells in your scene.
As long as you put some thoughtful efforts into it, I'd call it art. agree on that.
With generative AI, it is different, because the user's decision process is limited, and most parts of the resulting work is done by a halluzinating software.

"With generative AI, it is different, because the user's decision process is limited, and most parts of the resulting work is done by a halluzinating software."

I have to disagree with that, because to actually create artistic pictures with AI requires one heck of a lot of work. Sure, you can create slop quickly just like you can scribble on paper with a pencil or throw a render ready scene in 3D into the render engine.

The prompts to generate anything worthwhile out of AI are really complex.

And I don't create pictures with AI because I have tried and I suck at it. Yeah, I'm great at creating slop. But I don't have the time or talent to craft the prompts that actually create art.

great opinions and respect your thoughts.

I used to do a lot of photography pre-divorce (and things only got worse post COVID), and I really enjoyed model photography, mainly things like boudoir, pin-up, and fashion from time to time. Just as a fun thing. It's a good feeling making people feel good about themselves.
After I got divorced, and essentially lots my 'photo-assistant'/'wingman'/badge that I'm not a GWC (in the modelling world, if you don't know, that's 'guy with camera' AKA a creep who asks young women to pose for their own personal pleasure).
I really missed doing stuff like that. But, more on me, I didn't feel comfortable reaching out to models to help them build their portfolio, since I didn't have a female assistant there to help with hair, and 'wardrobe malfunctions'.

I first launched Daz I think in around 2012. It was VASTLY different back then. Neat concept, but the models and assets in that time were lacking, at least from a realism point of view. I back burnered it for a long time...till COVID came around and I found myself at home more, and remembered Daz, and started exploring it again.

I found it really scratched that itch of getting back into model photography. I also found it was a lot easier to have a digital model standing in an awkward position under 100,000W lights for hours on end until I can get the dforce hair to fall JUST right and not explode into a mess.

But, I also find it difficult to explain to people what it is, exactly. "Digital art" gives the impression of drawing on a tablet/pen-to-glass art. 3D modelling gives the impression of working in like Blender and sculpting virtual clay. I took to calling it "virtual photography". People give me a weird look, and I say, "I take a 3D human figure, set a scene, light it, compose the shot, and render it." Or, I also call it, "Playing dress-up with my virtual dolls". LOL

I overwhelmingly like the "Model A wearing Outfit B and striking Pose C in Environment D" you make, MKDAWUSS. You are being too modest.

"Model A wearing Outfit B and striking Pose C in Environment D" that sums it up,

but then, placing the camera makes it art, just like photography.

Exactly, art is given by your skills. The origins of the word itself, "artis" means skill, craft, practical knowledge, method and worksmanship.

Don't forget how good and important the lighting is. It makes or breaks an image, MK, and yours are so often like photos.

That's pretty much my take on it to MK. Biggest misconception I see on the forums and such is that everyone using Daz or similar is an artist or trying to make art, which is fine, but doesn't necessarily pertain to everyone using the software. I'd honestly rather be out on my mountain or dirtbike tearing through the trails but my lower back put a nix to that.