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I create this Thread because I have the impression that authors of drawings made in 3D do not have the same freedoms as designers, painters and sculptors.
Whence this question, are the authors of drawings made in 3D artists?
Whence this question, are the authors of drawings made in 3D artists?
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the joker of spades
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Fri, Jul 18Do you have the freedom to do what you want, if you are capable of it? Did a 3D work evoke any emotions in you? If so, you have your answer, everything is subjective.
guy91600
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Fri, Jul 18I created this thread based on what I understood from reading
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10817/inappropriate-content
If artists, painters, and sculptors can use naked children in their works, then why is it not possible in 3D?
Can we deduce from this that the authors of 3D drawings are not artists?
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10817/inappropriate-content
If artists, painters, and sculptors can use naked children in their works, then why is it not possible in 3D?
Can we deduce from this that the authors of 3D drawings are not artists?
the joker of spades
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Fri, Jul 18I read that thread, and I understand what you mean, that's why I said it's subjective, I have no interest in that type of art, whether it's a drawing, a 3D work or a sculpture, maybe for many we don't make art, but we try, I hope a moderator closes that post, the seller asked for guidelines, many times it's simple, just reply, it seems they have an interest in inflaming posts
I've been in the artist circle since 2016. From what I heard from fellow artists in comic/illustration/animation/ gaming industry field they view someone like us who use 3D for their drawing as artists. They don't even call them drawings. They call them as illustrations achieved through means of 3D. A mixed media as it were. I've had my illustrations displayed at the regional festival for five years now, as have another friend of mine. No one told either of us we are not artists. Some are stuck up and view illustrations done through 3D as a way of cheating, but there are those who don't. I've met a few people in the gaming industry to whom I showed my artworks and asked them that question. One of them said they don't care. All they care about is the end product. You can look up Shannon Maer when it comes to using 3D for illustrations.
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Pinspotter
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Mon, Jul 28Almost nobody cares what tools you use, or what process you go through, they care about the end result. The ones who do care, are pedantists. Most everyone in a particular field will "nerd out" about particulars, because that's part of what brings us together as artists. But it's more like exchanges I have had with illustrators in Artist Alley at the shows I have attended. I ran across a vector graphics artist back in 2015, him and I nerded out over vector graphics and software, as I have dipped my toes in Inkscape a few times.
At the same show, I nerded out with Chris Claremont (creator of X-Men), he draws with a pen and pencil, I "draw" in 3-D software. The commonality is that we are both character designers and storytellers. I met Elias Chatzoudis, who was at the time, my favorite illustrator. We just talked about art. And I told him that I was really struggling with growing my audience. I picked out a few prints to buy, and he said "Nah, don't worry about it. We're artists". I cried so hard, and I felt embarassed, but I told him how much I appreciated him and his encouragement. In the end we're all pretty much doing the same thing. Using tools to bring our imagined world into something the world can see. And a real artist will never tell someone that art is confined to a few "acceptable" tools. At work I once gathered a bunch of sawdust on our loading ramp, shaped it into a circle, then made a smiley face. Took a picture of it and shared it, mainly as a gag. Then I observed how that image slowly wore away by foot and cart traffic until it was pretty much a shadow. Yep, even that can be considered art.
At the same show, I nerded out with Chris Claremont (creator of X-Men), he draws with a pen and pencil, I "draw" in 3-D software. The commonality is that we are both character designers and storytellers. I met Elias Chatzoudis, who was at the time, my favorite illustrator. We just talked about art. And I told him that I was really struggling with growing my audience. I picked out a few prints to buy, and he said "Nah, don't worry about it. We're artists". I cried so hard, and I felt embarassed, but I told him how much I appreciated him and his encouragement. In the end we're all pretty much doing the same thing. Using tools to bring our imagined world into something the world can see. And a real artist will never tell someone that art is confined to a few "acceptable" tools. At work I once gathered a bunch of sawdust on our loading ramp, shaped it into a circle, then made a smiley face. Took a picture of it and shared it, mainly as a gag. Then I observed how that image slowly wore away by foot and cart traffic until it was pretty much a shadow. Yep, even that can be considered art.
3D is a tool, much the same as a paintbrush, a camera or a sculptor's chisel. All can be used to create art, bit I'd argue that none of the output is automatically art...
To me at least, the art is in the intent of the artist and the eye of the beholder. I suppose it's a case of the intent (or the effect of) invoking thought, emotion or creating inspiration.
To me at least, the art is in the intent of the artist and the eye of the beholder. I suppose it's a case of the intent (or the effect of) invoking thought, emotion or creating inspiration.
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Henry1850
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Sun, Jul 27I agree, I have been in the art field since the 70's (yes I'm old). This was a discussion way back then when modern art started and again when abstract art started being a thing.. So the real question should be what is art and what is an artist. First it is from a human who espress or communicate ideas, emotions or experiences through creative and skillful means. There are a very wide variety of forms for the creation of art. Ultimately, art is a human endeavor that elicits aesthetic responses and can convey meaning beyond language.
3D is just another tool like IB2024 stated. 3D can take a long time to create, it encompasses all the traditional skills, including textures, placement, context, composition, color, lighting, perspective and it is also a part of the storytelling area combining 2D rendering stills to animation and even movies. We I believe have the best of the past, we can now do so much more than the traditional painting to a new era where everything is combined into new and amazing tools that the Renaissance artists of the past would truly envy the artists of today.
3D is just another tool like IB2024 stated. 3D can take a long time to create, it encompasses all the traditional skills, including textures, placement, context, composition, color, lighting, perspective and it is also a part of the storytelling area combining 2D rendering stills to animation and even movies. We I believe have the best of the past, we can now do so much more than the traditional painting to a new era where everything is combined into new and amazing tools that the Renaissance artists of the past would truly envy the artists of today.
For me, 3D is art. I'm also a 3d modeller, I start from nothing and turn it into something. And get paid to do it. Therefore yes, 3D is art and a job. And a creation process. and a technology. and a tool.
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if you can make others to invoke thoughts and feelings out of using 3D as a tool, then it's absolutely art. 
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-If you invest time, energy and thoughts into your project
-if your project represents an element of YOUR personality, inspiration and experience
-if every single element of all the elements of your finished project confirm each other
-( "the unity of form and content" _not mine, but I agree_ )
-if the majority of elements in your projects appears intentional
-if contradictions or even randomness in your project appears intentional,
then this is art
and of course, this is true for photography, 3d creator and 3d content user as well.
this is NOT true for AI user, because they lack all of my above listed criterias for art.
-if your project represents an element of YOUR personality, inspiration and experience
-if every single element of all the elements of your finished project confirm each other
-( "the unity of form and content" _not mine, but I agree_ )
-if the majority of elements in your projects appears intentional
-if contradictions or even randomness in your project appears intentional,
then this is art
and of course, this is true for photography, 3d creator and 3d content user as well.
this is NOT true for AI user, because they lack all of my above listed criterias for art.
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If you are pouring a piece of yourself into your 3D creations, your imagination, the visions in your mind's eye, hell yes it is art!!
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What I personally (still) find lacking in 3D in order to actually speak of art is, among other things, the absence of a personal, unambiguous ductus. Sure - many of the artists posting here can be recognized by their colour scheme, scene composition, lighting etc. pp. ff .... but there is still that certain something missing ....
As a graphic designer (Visual Communication), I prefer to talk about design. I've been offended for this before (" design is not art, it's design ") - but that's how I see it. For me, this is not a devaluation, but merely a distinction.
As a graphic designer (Visual Communication), I prefer to talk about design. I've been offended for this before (" design is not art, it's design ") - but that's how I see it. For me, this is not a devaluation, but merely a distinction.
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Luxe Muse
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Mon, Jul 21I believe programming (software engineering), is truly an art form as well, let alone design!
Pushee-Ri
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Tue, Jul 22@Luxe Muse:
You got that right! I've seen some very elegant code that made my ears prick up - especially with regard to my own spaghetti code writings (which still worked ... somehow
You got that right! I've seen some very elegant code that made my ears prick up - especially with regard to my own spaghetti code writings (which still worked ... somehow
thirdeyezennicai
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Tue, Jul 22honestly a good point from Luxe. software engineering can lead to having delicate and even unique interfaces and functionality, combining that with design as well 
guy91600
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Tue, Jul 22@Pushee-Ri
Spaghetti code: but you only think about eating, it's not possible.
If 12 hours then
Goto kitchen
Endif
Spaghetti code: but you only think about eating, it's not possible.
If 12 hours then
Goto kitchen
Endif
Pushee-Ri
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Wed, Jul 23@guy91600 and Luxe Muse
Thanks for the early morning laugh!!
You guys made my day
Thanks for the early morning laugh!!
You guys made my day
Yes, it is an art.
That being said, some "arts" require more skill than others. Making beaded jewelry, for instance, doesn't require as much skill as sculpting in clay by hand. But they're both considered art. Even things such as computer coding, and carpentry, can be considered art. And I don't mean the utilitarian aspects of such things. Certain coding techniques look like art to some people (although I don't see it) and art as well as beauty, is subjective.
Art, is defined as: The conscious use of the imagination in the production of objects intended to be contemplated or appreciated as beautiful, as in the arrangement of forms, sounds, or words.
It doesn't say *how* it is produced. The key is in the word, "imagination". Each of us has a specific skillset, and not everyone can do everything masterfully. Some people, like me, have done a lot of things and have created a ton of artwork, but I've never considered myself a master of anything besides color "theory".
The best way I have been able to explain to others what I focus on in 3-D artwork, is that I am a "virtual director/producer/vfx person" and that's exactly what Studio's layout and interface provides. Why else would it be called, DAZ Studio? It's a virtual studio. And when you look at it that way, saying that rendering in DAZ Studio is art, can't be refuted. It doesn't require as much skill as 3-D modeling, but it still fits the definition.
That being said, some "arts" require more skill than others. Making beaded jewelry, for instance, doesn't require as much skill as sculpting in clay by hand. But they're both considered art. Even things such as computer coding, and carpentry, can be considered art. And I don't mean the utilitarian aspects of such things. Certain coding techniques look like art to some people (although I don't see it) and art as well as beauty, is subjective.
Art, is defined as: The conscious use of the imagination in the production of objects intended to be contemplated or appreciated as beautiful, as in the arrangement of forms, sounds, or words.
It doesn't say *how* it is produced. The key is in the word, "imagination". Each of us has a specific skillset, and not everyone can do everything masterfully. Some people, like me, have done a lot of things and have created a ton of artwork, but I've never considered myself a master of anything besides color "theory".
The best way I have been able to explain to others what I focus on in 3-D artwork, is that I am a "virtual director/producer/vfx person" and that's exactly what Studio's layout and interface provides. Why else would it be called, DAZ Studio? It's a virtual studio. And when you look at it that way, saying that rendering in DAZ Studio is art, can't be refuted. It doesn't require as much skill as 3-D modeling, but it still fits the definition.
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My heart says yes,
People get paid to do it, so my bank manger says yes as well
People get paid to do it, so my bank manger says yes as well
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