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MKDAWUSSThu, Sep 11
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Beautiful MisfitsThu, Sep 11
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BobbThu, Sep 11
Hi,
because of the last incident, that a whole section was deleted, just because of a handful stupid trouble maker, how about that:
Instead of pushing out money with competitions, get some more people to work for you. People that test products, before they go alive.
People, who have an eye and can take care of violations. People from different times zones, so it the place is covered 24/7
And if there are some, that won't listen at all, well, easy solution:
KICK them out!
instead of to alienating everyone.
Just my two cents
because of the last incident, that a whole section was deleted, just because of a handful stupid trouble maker, how about that:
Instead of pushing out money with competitions, get some more people to work for you. People that test products, before they go alive.
People, who have an eye and can take care of violations. People from different times zones, so it the place is covered 24/7
And if there are some, that won't listen at all, well, easy solution:
KICK them out!
instead of to alienating everyone.
Just my two cents
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Beautiful Misfits
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Mon, Sep 08Be careful what you're offering here. Even some hours can act as a fulltime job.
DeeceyMon, Sep 08
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>>> People that test products, before they go alive.People, who have an eye and can take care of violations. People from different times zones, so it the place is covered 24/7
There is no way that ripping content made for games and converting to DAZ Studio format and redistributing it is legal in ANY way (either sold or put out as freebies). That seems to be the biggest misconception on this site.
There is no way that ripping content made for games and converting to DAZ Studio format and redistributing it is legal in ANY way (either sold or put out as freebies). That seems to be the biggest misconception on this site.
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Beautiful Misfits
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Mon, Sep 08Can we please stay with the topic, thanks.
For your accusation open an own thread please, thank you.
For your accusation open an own thread please, thank you.
Deecey
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Mon, Sep 08The OP mentioned that people who have an eye and can take care of violations are needed. Any person that is hired for staff should understand what does and does not violate copyright laws.
My response clarified that ripping content from games and redistributing it is a violation.
I've seen posts here that ask if it's OK to redistribute hair that has been ripped from games. No it's not.
I've seen posts here that ask if it's OK to remesh content and redistribute it. No it's not.
It's not an ACCUSATION, it's a CLARIFICATION.
My response clarified that ripping content from games and redistributing it is a violation.
I've seen posts here that ask if it's OK to redistribute hair that has been ripped from games. No it's not.
I've seen posts here that ask if it's OK to remesh content and redistribute it. No it's not.
It's not an ACCUSATION, it's a CLARIFICATION.
Beautiful Misfits
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Mon, Sep 08Ok, now I understand what you mean.
Thanks for the clarification.
Thanks for the clarification.
GrapeJuice3D
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Mon, Sep 08I see your point Deecey but I don't think this applies to this situation per se. For example, if someone uploads a hair converted from a game to Daz Studio, if they don't say that is exactly from that specific character there's no way a moderator know it if he\she it's not a gamer or watch anime. There's older people that are moderators in a lot of stores, and i don't think moderators of any stores will lose time searching on Google for each character\outfit people upload to see if that is infringing any copyright.
In a way, all stores are subject to this and it is not the fault of the tester or the moderator. If people that sell converted characters\outfits want, they can easily make some changes in Blender or Zbrush, put a different texture color and voila, if a company complain, well, they can say it's just a coincidence or a parody.
If you open big stores right now you will see a ton of outfits that are exactly like some of famous characters like from Street Fighter, Tekken and etc, they just changed or added some things and they were approved. Just a clarification, i'm not giving my personal opinion on the matter, i'm just saying that happens. And actually for a fact Renderhub controls that, if you upload a game character or any other copyrighted product, they will put it as "Personal Use Only License (IP Restricted)" , and a lot of stores let people upload\sell copyrighted products, you can buy right characters from games\movies from CGTrader and they even are partners of big companies like Netflix, Disney and etc.
In a way, all stores are subject to this and it is not the fault of the tester or the moderator. If people that sell converted characters\outfits want, they can easily make some changes in Blender or Zbrush, put a different texture color and voila, if a company complain, well, they can say it's just a coincidence or a parody.
If you open big stores right now you will see a ton of outfits that are exactly like some of famous characters like from Street Fighter, Tekken and etc, they just changed or added some things and they were approved. Just a clarification, i'm not giving my personal opinion on the matter, i'm just saying that happens. And actually for a fact Renderhub controls that, if you upload a game character or any other copyrighted product, they will put it as "Personal Use Only License (IP Restricted)" , and a lot of stores let people upload\sell copyrighted products, you can buy right characters from games\movies from CGTrader and they even are partners of big companies like Netflix, Disney and etc.
There is more than enough traffic on this forum to warrant more moderators, and as the OP stated, preferably in different time zones. I hope RH puts out a request for people to join their moderation team. If they don't want to hire them as staff, maybe they could offer a monthly discount coupon for them as an incentive. No one should kid themselves, being a moderator can be a real pain. I say this from experience as I'm an admin/moderator/owner of a hobby forum (with far less traffic than this forum).
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GrapeJuice3D
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Mon, Sep 08I agree, I was a moderator of a very large group on Deviantart years ago and it took some of my time, but I was a volunteer and I didn't get anything in return so when it started to get in the way of my job I had to leave. But here it can be diffferent, as a store they can offer vendors to do that job, of example, we could have a special "medal" or "seal" in our accounts,. gain more royalties for our sales or even special discounts in stores that the owners would approve, or maybe all that in return. I think it's a good idea.
Beautiful Misfits
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Mon, Sep 08That's a good idea, some discount, for sure there will be people to do it for a little something 
And yes, it can be time consuming and stress.
I had forums long time ago and heaven help, sometimes it just seemed to be a little too much.
So anyone who would do it, should be aware of the stress that could come with. Not every day, but it can happen.
And yes, it can be time consuming and stress.
I had forums long time ago and heaven help, sometimes it just seemed to be a little too much.
So anyone who would do it, should be aware of the stress that could come with. Not every day, but it can happen.
"...People that test products, before they go alive..."
RenderHub is an open marketplace like TurboSquid, CGTrader, ArtStation, etc. Products go live on the website as soon as the vendor publishes them. RenderHub is not a curated marketplace like Daz 3D or Renderosity - and we don't intend to be a curated marketplace.
"...People, who have an eye and can take care of violations..."
RenderHub is a community-moderated platform. We do not have "moderators" on staff actively looking for violations. We respond to reports and take action when needed.
Unfortunately, the Adult Comics section generated a disproportionately high number of Mature Content Policy violations. That's why it was closed. Having "more moderators" wouldn't solve the problem of the violations occurring.
"...And if there are some, that won't listen at all, well, easy solution: KICK them out..."
You're right, and that's exactly what is done for repeat Mature Content Policy violations. However, simply having "more moderators" won't magically make people follow the rules.
We recognize that the recent removal of the Adult Comics section has impacted creators who were in full compliance with our guidelines, and we sincerely apologize for any inconvenience that caused.
RenderHub is an open marketplace like TurboSquid, CGTrader, ArtStation, etc. Products go live on the website as soon as the vendor publishes them. RenderHub is not a curated marketplace like Daz 3D or Renderosity - and we don't intend to be a curated marketplace.
"...People, who have an eye and can take care of violations..."
RenderHub is a community-moderated platform. We do not have "moderators" on staff actively looking for violations. We respond to reports and take action when needed.
Unfortunately, the Adult Comics section generated a disproportionately high number of Mature Content Policy violations. That's why it was closed. Having "more moderators" wouldn't solve the problem of the violations occurring.
"...And if there are some, that won't listen at all, well, easy solution: KICK them out..."
You're right, and that's exactly what is done for repeat Mature Content Policy violations. However, simply having "more moderators" won't magically make people follow the rules.
We recognize that the recent removal of the Adult Comics section has impacted creators who were in full compliance with our guidelines, and we sincerely apologize for any inconvenience that caused.
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3DSaga
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Mon, Sep 08Thanks for the clarification- it corrects some assumptions.
I appreciate that RH is a "community-moderated platform". However, I think given the level of activity on this forum, some delegation of authority would benefit both RH and the community. Some pretty vile postings were left up on this forum from at least Friday and all through the weekend, with no response from RH. Anyone seeing this over a period of days could assume that "RH is OK with this". Allowing volunteer moderators to deal with it in a timely manner would benefit everyone, in my opinion.
I appreciate that RH is a "community-moderated platform". However, I think given the level of activity on this forum, some delegation of authority would benefit both RH and the community. Some pretty vile postings were left up on this forum from at least Friday and all through the weekend, with no response from RH. Anyone seeing this over a period of days could assume that "RH is OK with this". Allowing volunteer moderators to deal with it in a timely manner would benefit everyone, in my opinion.
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Mon, Sep 08I completely agree about the vile postings you're referring to. I have to admit that we actually dropped the ball on that one.
The offending content in that thread was immediately reported, while the OP (who started the thread in a non-vile way) simultaneously offered to have their entire thread removed. A decision was made to remove the entire thread, which would have removed the offending content along with it. Unfortunately, nobody actually removed the thread. There was miscommunication about what was to be removed. And that's totally on us.
I sincerely apologize that the offending content was visible longer than it should have been.
The offending content in that thread was immediately reported, while the OP (who started the thread in a non-vile way) simultaneously offered to have their entire thread removed. A decision was made to remove the entire thread, which would have removed the offending content along with it. Unfortunately, nobody actually removed the thread. There was miscommunication about what was to be removed. And that's totally on us.
I sincerely apologize that the offending content was visible longer than it should have been.
3DSaga
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Mon, Sep 08Basically a thread was started that was off topic for this forum, and it devolved into politics. It was at that stage that someone posted openly offensive comments that have no place in any serious discussion. Sorry I'm sounding evasive, but I don't want to elevate what the person wrote.
In looking at the forum titles, I don't see anywhere that topics that don't deal with 3D art or things directly related to 3D art would go. Commenting on current political news doesn't have a place on this forum or its sub-forums. Political discussions aren't bad, they just belong somewhere else. RH doesn't have a home for them.
In looking at the forum titles, I don't see anywhere that topics that don't deal with 3D art or things directly related to 3D art would go. Commenting on current political news doesn't have a place on this forum or its sub-forums. Political discussions aren't bad, they just belong somewhere else. RH doesn't have a home for them.
GrapeJuice3D
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Mon, Sep 08Oh i see. No problem, i understand. Yeah i totally agree with you, thanks for the explanation.
JohnnyLuck777
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Tue, Sep 09An admin that admits they made a mistake? This can't be true! (Just kidding)
This is one thing I like about RenderHub, and it's refreshing to see. There's no "high horse" mentality like you see over at the Daz store. And there's no "playing dumb" like you see at Renderosity. Or, is it "plain dumb"? X-D
This is one thing I like about RenderHub, and it's refreshing to see. There's no "high horse" mentality like you see over at the Daz store. And there's no "playing dumb" like you see at Renderosity. Or, is it "plain dumb"? X-D
A few words about tested products:
There are quite a few negative examples where (supposedly) tested products are still flawed or where testing amounts to a complete restriction of artistic freedom.
DAZ: despite (alleged) testing, there are also products that are ... let's call them suboptimal (see my thread on DAZ Originals).
Rendo: not only are products tested, but there are also regulations governing how they (or their promotions) should look, what they must include (UV maps, etc.), and so on and so forth. As a producer/CC, you make yourself a slave to the testers/admins (in my opinion).
CGbytes: Products are tested for functionality and possible copyright infringements. However, there is no interference in promotions or product design.
Basically, I have nothing against product testsas long as they are honest and relevant... and the products are actually tested. This gives the buyer a certain degree of security ... or rather: could give
On the other hand, I really appreciate Renderhub's no-test approach
This gives newcomers who may not yet have internalized all the intricacies the opportunity to present products quickly, easily, and without interference.
My personal opinion is therefore: please no product tests on Renderhub
There are quite a few negative examples where (supposedly) tested products are still flawed or where testing amounts to a complete restriction of artistic freedom.
DAZ: despite (alleged) testing, there are also products that are ... let's call them suboptimal (see my thread on DAZ Originals).
Rendo: not only are products tested, but there are also regulations governing how they (or their promotions) should look, what they must include (UV maps, etc.), and so on and so forth. As a producer/CC, you make yourself a slave to the testers/admins (in my opinion).
CGbytes: Products are tested for functionality and possible copyright infringements. However, there is no interference in promotions or product design.
Basically, I have nothing against product testsas long as they are honest and relevant... and the products are actually tested. This gives the buyer a certain degree of security ... or rather: could give
On the other hand, I really appreciate Renderhub's no-test approach
This gives newcomers who may not yet have internalized all the intricacies the opportunity to present products quickly, easily, and without interference.
My personal opinion is therefore: please no product tests on Renderhub
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Beautiful Misfits
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Tue, Sep 09I thought about testing about violations.
Even though it would be good, if everyone would have people who test their products. That means security for both, the seller and the buyer.
But in this case, just to see, that there are no violations against the rules.
Even though it would be good, if everyone would have people who test their products. That means security for both, the seller and the buyer.
But in this case, just to see, that there are no violations against the rules.
3DSaga
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Tue, Sep 09As a paying customer, I don't like being a product tester/validator. If one wants to throw something together as fast as they can and see if it works, they can use the freebie category (and let people know the product is a test). When I buy something, my expectation is that it will work.
Beautiful Misfits
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Tue, Sep 09Sorry, if this came out wrong.
I wasn't talking about the customer as testers, but people who will get the product before it's on the marked to test for any mistakes.
I myself tested for many people in V3 times, most important point at that time, the seams of the skin or outfits. The "payment" was always the product, when it was ready to go alive.
Not long ago I got a product to test and honestly, compared with V3 or V4, now the testing is almost just fun. So much easier for sure.
I wasn't talking about the customer as testers, but people who will get the product before it's on the marked to test for any mistakes.
I myself tested for many people in V3 times, most important point at that time, the seams of the skin or outfits. The "payment" was always the product, when it was ready to go alive.
Not long ago I got a product to test and honestly, compared with V3 or V4, now the testing is almost just fun. So much easier for sure.
Bobb
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Wed, Sep 10If you're the one that tested that (now) ancient but still great traditional wedding gown for Vicky Three, then thanks!
It's still the only traditional bridal gown available and the veil works better than any of the veils that are dynamic or dFarced. It uses morphs but there seems to be a morph for every pose I've ever used.
Great work!
It's still the only traditional bridal gown available and the veil works better than any of the veils that are dynamic or dFarced. It uses morphs but there seems to be a morph for every pose I've ever used.
Great work!
Beautiful Misfits
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Thu, Sep 11As much as I would love to take this compliment, but nope, that wasn't me.
1. I would like to note that nowhere in the site's Terms of Use (e.g Section 17 regarding user conduct) does it strictly proscribe what users can talk about in forums. Ditto for the site's About us where it discusses the purpose of the forum. I see there are currently several posts with absolutely no nexus whatsoever to 3D, computers or AI.
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with allowing "off-topic" discussions, whether it is for levity or serious topics. Objectionable forum use, spamming or apologia for a reviled 20th century figure, is already proscribed by site rules.
2. With regards to content quality, I think the onus is on the sellers to ensure that their products work. After all, they're the ones who made it. Furthermore, reviews function as a quality control mechanism of sorts. Would anyone be willing to purchase something from someone who consistently has bad reviews?
Demanding RH to institute some sort of verification/testing process for new products would require it to essentially freeze all new products for days or possibly weeks depending on the size of the staff allotted to this task until they're approved, unlike the current process where assets are available essentially the moment a seller clicks on publish. Maybe the community would be willing to support this new delay.
But it introduces new costs. Are the testers paid? Are they RH staff (I'm not gonna get into tax law, residence and payroll)? Do these added costs get passed on to the community? Beyond testing whether an asset works, does the tester have to review assets to ensure their compliance with copyright and trademark law?
I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with allowing "off-topic" discussions, whether it is for levity or serious topics. Objectionable forum use, spamming or apologia for a reviled 20th century figure, is already proscribed by site rules.
2. With regards to content quality, I think the onus is on the sellers to ensure that their products work. After all, they're the ones who made it. Furthermore, reviews function as a quality control mechanism of sorts. Would anyone be willing to purchase something from someone who consistently has bad reviews?
Demanding RH to institute some sort of verification/testing process for new products would require it to essentially freeze all new products for days or possibly weeks depending on the size of the staff allotted to this task until they're approved, unlike the current process where assets are available essentially the moment a seller clicks on publish. Maybe the community would be willing to support this new delay.
But it introduces new costs. Are the testers paid? Are they RH staff (I'm not gonna get into tax law, residence and payroll)? Do these added costs get passed on to the community? Beyond testing whether an asset works, does the tester have to review assets to ensure their compliance with copyright and trademark law?
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JohnnyLuck777
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Tue, Sep 09These are all good points, and I think you nailed exactly why things are the way they are here.
1. I agree. There's nothing wrong with "off-topic" discussions here.
Why can't we have fun talking about other things? (As long as the conduct is appropriate)
2. You're right. Sellers should be the ones to make sure their products work. Or they should have someone they trust give it a whirl before publishing.
Honestly, I find quality products relatively easy to spot. Sellers who post quality promo images and write good product descriptions usually make nice stuff. You can tell by the care they put into their overall product presentation. And as you mentioned, the product reviews and overall vendor ratings help spot the bad apples.
"Maybe the community would be willing to support this new delay"
I know who *won't* support that... The 3D asset sellers. Because that's not the experience they get on other marketplaces like TurboSquid, CGTrader, and ArtStation. (As the admin pointed out above).
I remember back in the day when RenderHub actually did hold products for whatever reason. It didn't go over very well. Now that RH has aligned their business model with the big guys, 3D assets appear to be coming in here like crazy. And not just crap products. Really nice assets from established sellers on the other platforms. I'm sure that's good for everyone, and I'll bet RH isn't going to reverse course on that.
In my opinion, I think some people need to come to grips with the fact that RenderHub is not "just a Daz marketplace". It's a 3D asset marketplace where Daz content is not buried, but instead given much higher visibility than found on the other big 3D asset stores. It's openly welcomed and explicitly featured here, rather than treated as "just another asset".
Anyway... I agree with everything you said. LOL
1. I agree. There's nothing wrong with "off-topic" discussions here.
Why can't we have fun talking about other things? (As long as the conduct is appropriate)
2. You're right. Sellers should be the ones to make sure their products work. Or they should have someone they trust give it a whirl before publishing.
Honestly, I find quality products relatively easy to spot. Sellers who post quality promo images and write good product descriptions usually make nice stuff. You can tell by the care they put into their overall product presentation. And as you mentioned, the product reviews and overall vendor ratings help spot the bad apples.
"Maybe the community would be willing to support this new delay"
I know who *won't* support that... The 3D asset sellers. Because that's not the experience they get on other marketplaces like TurboSquid, CGTrader, and ArtStation. (As the admin pointed out above).
I remember back in the day when RenderHub actually did hold products for whatever reason. It didn't go over very well. Now that RH has aligned their business model with the big guys, 3D assets appear to be coming in here like crazy. And not just crap products. Really nice assets from established sellers on the other platforms. I'm sure that's good for everyone, and I'll bet RH isn't going to reverse course on that.
In my opinion, I think some people need to come to grips with the fact that RenderHub is not "just a Daz marketplace". It's a 3D asset marketplace where Daz content is not buried, but instead given much higher visibility than found on the other big 3D asset stores. It's openly welcomed and explicitly featured here, rather than treated as "just another asset".
Anyway... I agree with everything you said. LOL
Pushee-Ri
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Wed, Sep 10" In my opinion, I think some people need to come to grips with the fact that RenderHub is not "just a Daz marketplace". "
Thank you very much for this important hint!!!
As a DAZ CC, it's really easy to forget that Renderhub is either a platform for DAZ content, but also for lots of truly amazing 3D objects.
Thank you very much for this important hint!!!
As a DAZ CC, it's really easy to forget that Renderhub is either a platform for DAZ content, but also for lots of truly amazing 3D objects.
In light of recent events, here's a little anecdote on the subject of testing:
I submitted my DropLace (dForce Necklace), which you know from here
https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/74974/droplace-dforce-necklace
to cgbytes for testing. This morning, I received the response:
great and innovative product ... but since I had included the URL (not even an active link) to my tutorial here on Renderhub in the documentation, it was rejected. Hmm ... I had read that external links/URLs are now permitted on cgbytes, but that only applied to the forum (and even then, only in important cases).
Well. .. looks like DropLace will be adding another exclusive product to Nena's Little Shop of Fun
I submitted my DropLace (dForce Necklace), which you know from here
https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/74974/droplace-dforce-necklace
to cgbytes for testing. This morning, I received the response:
great and innovative product ... but since I had included the URL (not even an active link) to my tutorial here on Renderhub in the documentation, it was rejected. Hmm ... I had read that external links/URLs are now permitted on cgbytes, but that only applied to the forum (and even then, only in important cases).
Well. .. looks like DropLace will be adding another exclusive product to Nena's Little Shop of Fun
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Bobb
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Thu, Sep 11It's hysterically funny that most of the vendors go ballistic if anyone mentions any other site or brokerage. They have obviously never studied any marketing. All this does is piss potential buyers off.
I hope you let Stupid'Otica know that they just lost (another) content artist.
*chuckle*
I hope you let Stupid'Otica know that they just lost (another) content artist.
*chuckle*
Beautiful Misfits
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Thu, Sep 11Ok, I still can't talk (surgery at the dentist) but I can write *gg*
Testing at rosity even with freebies annoyed me to the limit. What they are testing? Not the product, but if you put a link into it.
As far as I know it's also forbidden at daz.
And then i look here, no problem at all.
I compare it with real life stores.
We have several different shops for electric stuff. So we look for a (i.e.) dishwasher and can't find, what we want at shop A, so they tell us to look at shop B or C.
Or groceries, it's the same, they send you to their competition to find there, what you're looking for.
That's what I like and that's the reason why I go back to exactly that shop, cause they give me the customer service I'm looking for.
Testing at rosity even with freebies annoyed me to the limit. What they are testing? Not the product, but if you put a link into it.
As far as I know it's also forbidden at daz.
And then i look here, no problem at all.
I compare it with real life stores.
We have several different shops for electric stuff. So we look for a (i.e.) dishwasher and can't find, what we want at shop A, so they tell us to look at shop B or C.
Or groceries, it's the same, they send you to their competition to find there, what you're looking for.
That's what I like and that's the reason why I go back to exactly that shop, cause they give me the customer service I'm looking for.
Beautiful Misfits
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Thu, Sep 11In this case I'm soooooo happy, that the product will find a home at my little shop of fun
Bobb
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Thu, Sep 11EXACTLY!!!!
That's why I frequent one particular hardware store. Even if the prices are a bit higher and they don't always have the left-handed multi-faceted flibble-flabble I need, the experts will tell me where to get it. This builds excellent customer relations and keeps me coming back AND recommending them to others. RenderHub must be well aware of this....and it's working.
That's why I frequent one particular hardware store. Even if the prices are a bit higher and they don't always have the left-handed multi-faceted flibble-flabble I need, the experts will tell me where to get it. This builds excellent customer relations and keeps me coming back AND recommending them to others. RenderHub must be well aware of this....and it's working.
guy91600
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Thu, Sep 11What you describe is the difference between a seller and a merchant.
A few years ago I was looking for a very special watch, to not pay too much I went to a shopping center. There were 3 or 4 jewelers but none made this brand and no one could order it. I learned that the sellers, by opening the package, discovered what they were supposed to put on sale, and did not order anything from the central purchasing office!
So like many, I no longer have a watch, and to know the time I look at my smartphone
A few years ago I was looking for a very special watch, to not pay too much I went to a shopping center. There were 3 or 4 jewelers but none made this brand and no one could order it. I learned that the sellers, by opening the package, discovered what they were supposed to put on sale, and did not order anything from the central purchasing office!
So like many, I no longer have a watch, and to know the time I look at my smartphone
Pushee-Ri
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Thu, Sep 11@Bobb:
Naaaa - their house, their rules, their TOS
I just didn't read thoroughly enough when the (slight) opening to external links was described. Well, tough luck, testers (and Beautiful Misfits is happy
Otherwise, I get along well with the admins/management of cgbytes/'rotica. They're all nice and helpful people (Canadians, after all). So there's no reason for me to leave.
They just won't get my DropLace (even though I'd only have to change two lines of the documentation).
Naaaa - their house, their rules, their TOS
I just didn't read thoroughly enough when the (slight) opening to external links was described. Well, tough luck, testers (and Beautiful Misfits is happy
Otherwise, I get along well with the admins/management of cgbytes/'rotica. They're all nice and helpful people (Canadians, after all). So there's no reason for me to leave.
They just won't get my DropLace (even though I'd only have to change two lines of the documentation).
MKDAWUSS
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Thu, Sep 11A lot of places don't want outside mentions, not just online shops. I know media outlets would behave like that. If something was on their channel (or a sister station), it would get mentioned, but otherwise, nothing. Keep your money and attention here, that sort of thing.
I more or less take that mentality here when it comes to attributions, for better or worse. I save any external stuff for the PMs.
I more or less take that mentality here when it comes to attributions, for better or worse. I save any external stuff for the PMs.
