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GLBWarning: This is a rant about violence and more
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the joker of spades4 Hours ago
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Luxe Muse13 Hours ago
Hi 
I open Renderhub and on the landing page I see almost the same render and the same artists again and again.
It would be great, when the pictures would change because of an algorithm and not because of private taste, well, this only as a short note, not part of the rant.
Then I open the gallery, settings on moderate and I see pictures with violence and lots of blood.
Or sexual preferences and innuendoes.
I'm a grown up woman, I'm 63 years old and I'm for sure not sensitive to a lot. I have gay friends, I have hetero friends, I don't care about their preferences and life style. They don't kiss and touch in front of me, they can behave and have common sense.
But damn it, is it necessary, that people push it into our faces with renders? Really?
I'm not woke and never will be!
But I'm tolerant to some degree, as long as I'm not pushed too much.
So please, if you love violence, mark the render "adult".
If you wanna render women/men kissing and touching each other, mark the render "adult".
If you like your bloody renders, mark them "adult".
Just don't force me to see render, I don't wanna see.
Keep private, what should be private.
I think, that's not much I'm asking for.
Rant over
Have a nice weekend
I open Renderhub and on the landing page I see almost the same render and the same artists again and again.
It would be great, when the pictures would change because of an algorithm and not because of private taste, well, this only as a short note, not part of the rant.
Then I open the gallery, settings on moderate and I see pictures with violence and lots of blood.
Or sexual preferences and innuendoes.
I'm a grown up woman, I'm 63 years old and I'm for sure not sensitive to a lot. I have gay friends, I have hetero friends, I don't care about their preferences and life style. They don't kiss and touch in front of me, they can behave and have common sense.
But damn it, is it necessary, that people push it into our faces with renders? Really?
I'm not woke and never will be!
But I'm tolerant to some degree, as long as I'm not pushed too much.
So please, if you love violence, mark the render "adult".
If you wanna render women/men kissing and touching each other, mark the render "adult".
If you like your bloody renders, mark them "adult".
Just don't force me to see render, I don't wanna see.
Keep private, what should be private.
I think, that's not much I'm asking for.
Rant over
Have a nice weekend
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On to the torches and pitchforks - B Misfits launches the next crusade 
Naaa - just kidding
I just reread the description of the content rating (the little question mark when posting pictures). Of course, there is a lot of room for personal interpretation: When is " minimal blood " actually too much blood? At what point do " suggestive themes " become offensive themes? (both from the content rating " Teen " )
In my opinion, it's not (once again) about establishing or changing rules, but about changing the perspective of individual posters - in the sense that if they are not sure whether the content rating is appropriate, it's better to choose the next higher one.
But how can this be achieved?
Naaa - just kidding
I just reread the description of the content rating (the little question mark when posting pictures). Of course, there is a lot of room for personal interpretation: When is " minimal blood " actually too much blood? At what point do " suggestive themes " become offensive themes? (both from the content rating " Teen " )
In my opinion, it's not (once again) about establishing or changing rules, but about changing the perspective of individual posters - in the sense that if they are not sure whether the content rating is appropriate, it's better to choose the next higher one.
But how can this be achieved?
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Beautiful Misfits
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Fri, Sep 12It can't be achieved, that's why I wrote "warning rant"
It's nothing we could discuss, it's nothing we can do about, it's just this "we are all so open, we are all so tolerant" that makes me wanna puke or scream sometimes.
All I can do is to put my settings, that I only see render from people I follow. This way I will miss a lot of wonderful render for sure, just because in many cases the only thing missing is common sense.
And again it's a minority that destroy a lot, cause most of the people here are just wonderful.
In this case it's just me, who is affected, cause I'm the one, who will miss out on many renders.
It's nothing we could discuss, it's nothing we can do about, it's just this "we are all so open, we are all so tolerant" that makes me wanna puke or scream sometimes.
All I can do is to put my settings, that I only see render from people I follow. This way I will miss a lot of wonderful render for sure, just because in many cases the only thing missing is common sense.
And again it's a minority that destroy a lot, cause most of the people here are just wonderful.
In this case it's just me, who is affected, cause I'm the one, who will miss out on many renders.
Luxe Muse
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Fri, Sep 12The problem, Pushee-Ri, is that we keep pushing things to the extremes. Then we complain when a radical group pushes VISA to ban content sites and games.
I do not want either of them, nor the depravity, nor the radicals who wish to ban Da Vinci himself. But we must begin to learn how to respect others collectively, in my humble opinion.
We know intuitively what is suggestive and what is sexual. We simply need to tag it and keep it where it belongs.
I do not want either of them, nor the depravity, nor the radicals who wish to ban Da Vinci himself. But we must begin to learn how to respect others collectively, in my humble opinion.
We know intuitively what is suggestive and what is sexual. We simply need to tag it and keep it where it belongs.
Pushee-Ri
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Fri, Sep 12@Luxe:
That's exactly what I mean ... but how can we make that clear to the posters? OK, if it's too bad, we can use the report button. But what about borderline cases?
That's exactly what I mean ... but how can we make that clear to the posters? OK, if it's too bad, we can use the report button. But what about borderline cases?
Luxe Muse
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Fri, Sep 12Sometimes, perhaps by leaving a polite message in the content, but I must admit, I'll would feel embraced to do it, so, in my case, I'll would send a private message. Just brainstorming aloud, typos included
Beautiful Misfits
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Fri, Sep 12Don't do it, neither as comment nor in a message.
I tried both and got myself an enemy right away. You can't tell a Karen anything, they are entitled to do what ever they want and no one has the right to say anything against it, doesn't matter what.
I tried both and got myself an enemy right away. You can't tell a Karen anything, they are entitled to do what ever they want and no one has the right to say anything against it, doesn't matter what.
RenderHub Admin 1
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Sat, Sep 13I'd really like to understand what you guys and gals are talking about. I just checked the gallery and I don't see any of this with SafeSite set to Moderate. Please see my screenshot and post below.
I agree completely. Every single time we turn on the TV, everything seems saturated with sexual content. In that sense, we all need to be mindful when we tag our art. People, and I am one of them, are already so saturated. You might feel desensitized, or you might think, "Now I want to double down because someone is speaking up," but that will only work against your efforts to tease the rest of us.
If you have sexualized content, please label it and be mindful. Society is not about what people do in the bedroom, but if you love to showcase those things, categorize it well. That way, others who want to see that content can find your art more easily, and you will lower the temperature.
If you have sexualized content, please label it and be mindful. Society is not about what people do in the bedroom, but if you love to showcase those things, categorize it well. That way, others who want to see that content can find your art more easily, and you will lower the temperature.
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Beautiful Misfits
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Fri, Sep 12I can't talk about, what's shown on TV, throw mine out 13 years ago. But already at that time it was more than saturated.
You used a very good word: Mindful
It seems, that people are apathetic by now, they are so used to it, that they just don't see it anymore and even worse, don't know, what they are doing with pushing all this stuff into the public eye.
You used a very good word: Mindful
It seems, that people are apathetic by now, they are so used to it, that they just don't see it anymore and even worse, don't know, what they are doing with pushing all this stuff into the public eye.
the joker of spades
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Sat, Sep 13Just to understand, you were horrified by many things, but not by 10 girls with guns and weapons to the teeth... with a very respectful title for women ... harem, but perhaps given the quiet period without wars, better to focus on 2 girls, who are not kissing... but are thinking of doing it, it seems that renderhub has decided to accommodate you, I will do it too, eliminating the blood from the gallery, have a good weekend
Luxe Muse
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Sat, Sep 13Anytime the solution or mindset is "eliminating", we are doing something wrong, we are going towards an extreme, in my opinion. My call is for self awareness, self consciousness, but not self censorship per say. (I might have translated too literally from Spanish, sorry for the awkward phrasing, and I'm back to family time, hi, hi, hi) have a great weekend
the joker of spades
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4 Hours agoI also have bad English, but I'll try to make you understand my point of view, let's say you post an image, for renderhub it's ok, they put that work in featured, uploaded it to social media, so for them everything is ok, then this post arrives, and suddenly censorship arrives, on DA, daz3d and pixiv, I know what I can and can't post, here the users decide, we come from different countries with different tolerances... it's not feasible... the almost kiss to be censored is ridiculous... so I censor myself in protest...
Just one question.
Do people who don't use the correct category read the forums?
Do people who don't use the correct category read the forums?
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Beautiful Misfits
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Fri, Sep 12Exactly that question I had in mind, but there is still hope, one will read it.
When it comes to labeling, I think you have some people who don't care and just want their particular render or product seen by everyone; you have others who may have gotten careless on some rare occasion; and you have those who have varying standards as to what falls where (I think this applies more towards the middle categories).
You could possibly break the mature slider for both sex and violence, as different people have different standards and desires regarding both. Having said that, I am not looking forward to having to manually go through and sort my entire gallery for a new category...
You could possibly break the mature slider for both sex and violence, as different people have different standards and desires regarding both. Having said that, I am not looking forward to having to manually go through and sort my entire gallery for a new category...
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Beautiful Misfits
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Fri, Sep 12Well, I'm sure, you're not at risk to label anything new.
There hasn't been one render I saw from you, that went overboard.
And anyway, no one will be in risk, cause there won't be any more categories. I think, we have all covered. And we can't force people to think before publishing.
That's why I wrote, we can't discuss this topic, it's a rant and I'm the one to deal with that all by myself. It will limit what I get to see, but better this way than a feeling of nausea.
There hasn't been one render I saw from you, that went overboard.
And anyway, no one will be in risk, cause there won't be any more categories. I think, we have all covered. And we can't force people to think before publishing.
That's why I wrote, we can't discuss this topic, it's a rant and I'm the one to deal with that all by myself. It will limit what I get to see, but better this way than a feeling of nausea.
Wouldn't it also be possible (so you don't miss too much) to simply (mentally) block out what you don't like in the thumbnail view?
That's what I do when it comes to bras/bikini tops and ladies who wear them on all occasions: while cooking, shopping, hiking, fighting, etc.
Bras, bras, bras everywhere you look. I find that rather tedious, so I'll just skip it (mentally).
That's what I do when it comes to bras/bikini tops and ladies who wear them on all occasions: while cooking, shopping, hiking, fighting, etc.
Bras, bras, bras everywhere you look. I find that rather tedious, so I'll just skip it (mentally).
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Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Sep 13I'm trying to
The thing why it's so annoying for me is, that in real life, those people would never behave like that.
Ok, at least not in Norway.
I haven't seen young girls, adult women or boys and men wearing skimpy hooker outfits.
And for sure you won't see men or women to to kiss each other (doesn't matter the sex) in public.
That's why I'm asking myself, why it's necessary to throw it into our faces online.
Or maybe I'm just too old for this kind of world.
The thing why it's so annoying for me is, that in real life, those people would never behave like that.
Ok, at least not in Norway.
I haven't seen young girls, adult women or boys and men wearing skimpy hooker outfits.
And for sure you won't see men or women to to kiss each other (doesn't matter the sex) in public.
That's why I'm asking myself, why it's necessary to throw it into our faces online.
Or maybe I'm just too old for this kind of world.
Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Sep 13Hey - than you've never seen me in the kitchen with my sexy slingshot and 40 extra pounds, handling pepper and chili
Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Sep 13*aaaaaaarrrrggghhhh* Kopfkino *shit* laughing loud like a maniac now .... I needed that so badly, thanks
COMIXIANT
@Beautiful Misfits
It's just as well you don't live in my neck of the woods. To be fair, Norway still sounds quite moderate in terms of exhibitionism. You'd be surprised at the sort of things that go on in public in the UK.
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14 Hours ago@Beautiful Misfits
It's just as well you don't live in my neck of the woods. To be fair, Norway still sounds quite moderate in terms of exhibitionism. You'd be surprised at the sort of things that go on in public in the UK.
Pushee-Ri Wrote:
"Bras, bras, bras everywhere you look ..."
Damn, I'm booking a one-way ticket to Germany right away!
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@Beautiful Misfits -
"...I open the gallery, settings on moderate and I see pictures with violence and lots of blood..."
I just checked the gallery, and I don't see anything like you have described. I tested with multiple accounts - logged in and not logged in.
I have attached a screenshot showing what I see with SafeSite set to Moderate - sorted by both Newest and Trending.
If you're seeing something different, please post a screenshot so we can figure out what's going on.
"...I open the gallery, settings on moderate and I see pictures with violence and lots of blood..."
I just checked the gallery, and I don't see anything like you have described. I tested with multiple accounts - logged in and not logged in.
I have attached a screenshot showing what I see with SafeSite set to Moderate - sorted by both Newest and Trending.
If you're seeing something different, please post a screenshot so we can figure out what's going on.
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Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Sep 13One of the images was (probably) " Barbarian Queen " which was listed under " Moderate " but has now been moved to " Mature ".
Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Sep 13Hello Admin 1,
well, I would say: Too late, it's gone
But thanks anyway for looking into it
well, I would say: Too late, it's gone
But thanks anyway for looking into it
RenderHub Admin 1
Admin: 13,602
Sat, Sep 13@Beautiful Misfits - "...it's gone..."
So you were talking about a *single image* then? It sounded like you were talking about a major problem.
So you were talking about a *single image* then? It sounded like you were talking about a major problem.
Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Sep 13I wish, it would be a single picture, it's happening again and again.
The other one (two women almost kissing) still there and I won't report it, cause in some sense it's harmless. But it shouldn't be seen in "moderate", but that's just my opinion.
Many render, on the border to suggesting sexual content, should be adult and not moderate, but again, that's just me.
That's why I wrote before, this is nothing anyone can discuss, but just something I needed to get out.
But then, I read, what others are writing, and it seems, I'm not the only one.
So to say it's not a major problem, while it seems to be a major problem nevertheless.
The other one (two women almost kissing) still there and I won't report it, cause in some sense it's harmless. But it shouldn't be seen in "moderate", but that's just my opinion.
Many render, on the border to suggesting sexual content, should be adult and not moderate, but again, that's just me.
That's why I wrote before, this is nothing anyone can discuss, but just something I needed to get out.
But then, I read, what others are writing, and it seems, I'm not the only one.
So to say it's not a major problem, while it seems to be a major problem nevertheless.
RenderHub Admin 1
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Sat, Sep 13@Beautiful Misfits -
Just so I understand correctly... Are you saying that you consider "two women almost kissing" to be Mature or Adult content?
Just so I understand correctly... Are you saying that you consider "two women almost kissing" to be Mature or Adult content?
Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Sep 13Yes, that's right.
I call that common sense behavior.
For you it's not mature content, for me it is, cause it's something people don't do in public. At least no in the country I'm living in and Norway is by God very open minded, but even that you wouldn't see here.
But again, as I said before, that's me and nothing anyone can discuss, cause that's my own opinion.
I have to deal with it and if I don't want, I have to stay away. Pretty easy, isn't it?
Well, at least I know, that I'm not completely alone with my way of thinking.
I call that common sense behavior.
For you it's not mature content, for me it is, cause it's something people don't do in public. At least no in the country I'm living in and Norway is by God very open minded, but even that you wouldn't see here.
But again, as I said before, that's me and nothing anyone can discuss, cause that's my own opinion.
I have to deal with it and if I don't want, I have to stay away. Pretty easy, isn't it?
Well, at least I know, that I'm not completely alone with my way of thinking.
RenderHub Admin 1
Admin: 13,602
Sat, Sep 13Quite honestly, I think you might be better off with SafeSite: Strict.
RenderHub
Admin: 35,288
Sat, Sep 13This stuff is subjective. But it wouldn't meet the standard for "Mature Content" here.
Have you tried changing your SafeSite to "Strict". Seems like a more appropriate setting for you.
Have you tried changing your SafeSite to "Strict". Seems like a more appropriate setting for you.
Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Sep 13Yes, it is subjective.
But I have another question instead.
Why is it even necessary, to have safe or even strict settings on a "Family friendly" page?
Family friendly in my point of view means, I can look and search without risking to see stuff, that I don't wanna see.
So telling me to go on "strict" feels like a slap in the face.
Family friendly don't need any strict settings.
But I have another question instead.
Why is it even necessary, to have safe or even strict settings on a "Family friendly" page?
Family friendly in my point of view means, I can look and search without risking to see stuff, that I don't wanna see.
So telling me to go on "strict" feels like a slap in the face.
Family friendly don't need any strict settings.
Hyxod
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Sat, Sep 13@Beautiful Misfits
If it was tongue kissing i would understand you not wanting to see it, but two people kissing is really not only for the ''adult'' category, there's nothing perverted or sexual about it, do you stop watching a movie because you see peoples kissing ? what happen when they have sex ?
(just wondering, it's not a personal attack)
If it was tongue kissing i would understand you not wanting to see it, but two people kissing is really not only for the ''adult'' category, there's nothing perverted or sexual about it, do you stop watching a movie because you see peoples kissing ? what happen when they have sex ?
(just wondering, it's not a personal attack)
Masterstroke
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18 Hours agoQuote:
"nothing [...] or sexual about it"
Try to tell that to people kissing
"nothing [...] or sexual about it"
Try to tell that to people kissing
Beautiful Misfits
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16 Hours ago@Hyxod
Believe it or not, but I throw the TV out in 2012 and haven't watched any movies since.
If I watch some in the Internet, then documentaries on gaia dot com or standup comedian on youtube.
Believe it or not, but I throw the TV out in 2012 and haven't watched any movies since.
If I watch some in the Internet, then documentaries on gaia dot com or standup comedian on youtube.
I went searching for sword poses in the store here. I typed sword poses in the search bar. I can only say thank the gods my grandkids were not standing nearby (my comp monitor is rather large) because almost all the stuff on the first page of that search was absolutely porn!! I mean some fairly hard core porn too. Frankly, those kinds of products don't really belong on a site like this. Imagine if I had been looking in the store for the first time? There should be an alternative site version specifically for those products with a warning about explicit sexual material.
Don't get me wrong, I'm far from a prude. But I don't go to a 3D store, enter a search and expect to see porn dominating the results. Same way with extreme violence minus actual plot as entertainment. Gladiator and Sparatcus - Blood and Sand, plus GoT fan here. Clearly not a prude.
Maybe paying closer attention and getting a little stricter on product reviews might help.
Don't get me wrong, I'm far from a prude. But I don't go to a 3D store, enter a search and expect to see porn dominating the results. Same way with extreme violence minus actual plot as entertainment. Gladiator and Sparatcus - Blood and Sand, plus GoT fan here. Clearly not a prude.
Maybe paying closer attention and getting a little stricter on product reviews might help.
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Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Sep 13I believe this is because when you enter " sword poses ", the search algorithm does not look for products that contain both words (And), but instead displays a hit if at least one word is contained (Or). Depending on the security setting (Strict, Moderate, etc.), the search results may be somewhat .... clearly ambiguous
RenderHub
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Sat, Sep 13That should only happen if you have your SafeSite set to "Adult". Was that the case?
Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Sep 13Well, I would say, it doesn't matter, what Mel wrote into the search box, the results simply shouldn't be shown at all.
And I've read it many times from different people, that it would be nice to have some kind of second store inside Renderhub.
This would take away so much trouble, cause "accidents" like that what Mel just experienced wouldn't happen.
Serious, if it wouldn't be for all the wonderful people I found here and can call them friends by now, I wouldn't be here anymore.
99% of the people plus the Renderhub-Crew are fantastic people.
And just 1% is messing it up.
So give this 1% a place, so we can be safe
And I've read it many times from different people, that it would be nice to have some kind of second store inside Renderhub.
This would take away so much trouble, cause "accidents" like that what Mel just experienced wouldn't happen.
Serious, if it wouldn't be for all the wonderful people I found here and can call them friends by now, I wouldn't be here anymore.
99% of the people plus the Renderhub-Crew are fantastic people.
And just 1% is messing it up.
So give this 1% a place, so we can be safe
RenderHub
Admin: 35,288
Sat, Sep 13There shouldn't be any "accidents". Mel is not clear on what exactly happened. If for some reason the system did not work as expected then we need to know so it can be fixed.
RenderHub
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Sat, Sep 13On the issue of users not selecting the correct content rating. Because we rely on users to do this, sometimes they do it incorrectly. So items will be miscategorized until moderators are able to fix it (usually same day). This will be changing very soon. We will be rolling out an AI moderation system which will be able to flag these issues in real time.
RenderHub Admin 1
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Sat, Sep 13@ArtbyMel -
I cannot replicate this issue. I see no porn in any section of the website when searching for "sword poses" or *any* non-adult phrase that I tried. As the other admin suggested, are you sure you don't have your SafeSite set to Adult?
I cannot replicate this issue. I see no porn in any section of the website when searching for "sword poses" or *any* non-adult phrase that I tried. As the other admin suggested, are you sure you don't have your SafeSite set to Adult?
RenderHub Admin 1
Admin: 13,602
Sat, Sep 13@RenderHub -
"...We will be rolling out an AI moderation system..."
Aww... You spoiled the surprise! With that said, I have something for you that was 96% accurate in my last test. The other 4% were edge cases that humans could debate about. Just let me know when you're ready for it.
"...We will be rolling out an AI moderation system..."
Aww... You spoiled the surprise! With that said, I have something for you that was 96% accurate in my last test. The other 4% were edge cases that humans could debate about. Just let me know when you're ready for it.
RenderHub Admin 1
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Sat, Sep 13@Beautiful Misfits -
What's so funny about that? I'm genuinely confused.
You're complaining about people "forcing you to see renders you don't want to see". (Because they selected an inappropriate content rating).
If an AI tool can hit 96% SafeSite accuracy *in real-time* (with the other 4% being ones humans could debate about all day)...
Isn't that BETTER than a system where people can (on purpose or by mistake) select an inappropriate content rating?
What's so funny about that? I'm genuinely confused.
You're complaining about people "forcing you to see renders you don't want to see". (Because they selected an inappropriate content rating).
If an AI tool can hit 96% SafeSite accuracy *in real-time* (with the other 4% being ones humans could debate about all day)...
Isn't that BETTER than a system where people can (on purpose or by mistake) select an inappropriate content rating?
Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Sep 13Nothing, it's only how fast AI is taking place all over, doesn't matter where.
@Renderhub:
Here is a screenshot with the search term and SafeSite Moderate. Actually, I could have searched for Lezzie poses right away
Here is a screenshot with the search term and SafeSite Moderate. Actually, I could have searched for Lezzie poses right away
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IAmAFox
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Sat, Sep 13I just don't think there's enough sword pose content for daz on RH, and I got the same result.
The search works for sure, but without enough content, its just going to be random from there, porn specifically too it seems, which I don't see swords in but I'm not sure how the search works with these.
The search works for sure, but without enough content, its just going to be random from there, porn specifically too it seems, which I don't see swords in but I'm not sure how the search works with these.
Luxe Muse
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Sat, Sep 13Just to add my two cents around the search algorism, "Fantasy Sword and Poses by S3D" should come as a first result, before "Fun Lesbian Day Out Four For Genesis 8" regardless, I would assume.
Perhaps, at a minimum reducing the miss hit results would benefit the person searching, regardless of their proclivity to see or not sexualized content.
Perhaps, at a minimum reducing the miss hit results would benefit the person searching, regardless of their proclivity to see or not sexualized content.
IAmAFox
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Sat, Sep 13^ I do agree with this statement, why do alot of non sword or even fantasy content shows up when searching for this?
Its like you're looking for a daz car model but all you get are daz planets
Its like you're looking for a daz car model but all you get are daz planets
@RenderHub
Even more ironic is that the ToS on here is likely quite offensive to the Japanese even if not meant that way!
RenderHub Wrote:
"Do not post content that involves sexual acts between a human being and an animal of any kind. This prohibition applies to all forms of content, including fictional characters and animals. This includes instances where animals are depicted in sexual activities with humans, linked to explicit or indecent scenarios, or involved in any form of sex-related context with humans."
The problem with this clause is that you're also forbidding "Fictional Animals". I often see a restriction on bestiality, that's nothing unusual, but whenever I do, it always specifically excludes fictional creatures from the restriction. In Japan for example, Tentacle Monsters play a big part in their sexual fetish, it's a major cultural thing over there. And even for a Westerner like myself, the work of world-renowned artist Paolo Eleuteri Serpieri included (if I recall) sex with fictional creatures, forced sex even, so even the work of such a respected fantasy artist as him, would be grounds for a ban from RenderHub on not one, but two grounds if he were a member here and posted such things.
Food for thought!
The sort of people you have on this website (but are increasingly turning away), are the very people who helped it survive through being more tolerant than your main competitors. So while I understand you need to abide by the law, in some cases it appears you're exceeding what is required.
The banning of cannibalistic themes, that's another one. I thoroughly intend to produce not only a comix with a cannibalistic theme, but to follow that comix up with a live-action indie. Attached is a snapshot of a post that I self-removed from Daz after the moderators over there started acting weird towards me. I've highlighted the relevant part, but I mean, what exactly goes through people's minds when they see stuff like this?
Do they think we must be dangerous cannibals who are likely to eat someone?
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JohnnyLuck777
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Sat, Sep 13I think you might be making an assumption here. I'm pretty sure RenderHub means fictional characters and real animals. As in the actual definition of animal. Just head to the adult section and search for Tentacle Monsters to see for yourself.
I also think you probably haven't been around here long enough to realize that RenderHub hasn't survived because they allow adult content. There used to be very little of it, and they were surviving just fine back then. In any case, RenderHub is not "exceeding what is required". It is well within their right to be as cautious as they want or set any rules they want. They aren't "required" to accommodate any type of content whatsoever.
I also think you probably haven't been around here long enough to realize that RenderHub hasn't survived because they allow adult content. There used to be very little of it, and they were surviving just fine back then. In any case, RenderHub is not "exceeding what is required". It is well within their right to be as cautious as they want or set any rules they want. They aren't "required" to accommodate any type of content whatsoever.
COMIXIANT
Nope, I'm not "assuming" anything. I'm simply pointing out some cold hard facts, Sure, there are "Tentacle Monster" images in the gallery here (and that's great to see), but my point it that a lot of them are against the ToS due to the ToS.
They're fantasy images, and by that definition alone should NOT be against the ToS.
RenderHub has a clause forbidding sex with any animal, regardless of whether the animal is of this world or a fantasy one, does it not?. RenderHub also forbids images depicting non-consensual sex, so in effect, these images break RenderHub ToS rules on two counts.
Should they be removed?
Absolutely not, it's just perfectly harmless sci-fi erotica that involved no real person or creature.
Will they be removed?
Unfortunately, yes, because they break two ToS rules, those being "Beastiality" and "Non-Consensual Sex".
Personally I think they should refine the ToS somewhat, because although it's perfectly clear they mean well, it's easy to miscalculate the knock-on effect that these things have on creativity and freedom of expression.
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Sat, Sep 13Nope, I'm not "assuming" anything. I'm simply pointing out some cold hard facts, Sure, there are "Tentacle Monster" images in the gallery here (and that's great to see), but my point it that a lot of them are against the ToS due to the ToS.
They're fantasy images, and by that definition alone should NOT be against the ToS.
RenderHub has a clause forbidding sex with any animal, regardless of whether the animal is of this world or a fantasy one, does it not?. RenderHub also forbids images depicting non-consensual sex, so in effect, these images break RenderHub ToS rules on two counts.
Should they be removed?
Absolutely not, it's just perfectly harmless sci-fi erotica that involved no real person or creature.
Will they be removed?
Unfortunately, yes, because they break two ToS rules, those being "Beastiality" and "Non-Consensual Sex".
Personally I think they should refine the ToS somewhat, because although it's perfectly clear they mean well, it's easy to miscalculate the knock-on effect that these things have on creativity and freedom of expression.
COMIXIANT
Another example of how these things have an unexpected knock-on effect, is Metal Music album art.
Have you seen some of the Death Metal band 'Cannibal Corpse' album art, for example?
A lot of their album art is extremely gruesome and sexually perverse, yet is nevertheless typical of cover art in the Death Metal genre. It's not out of the ordinary, it's just not everyone's cup of tea. But again, after the sort of removals going on here lately, those too would be banned on here. Persoanlly I think the problem we all face can be fixed with one very simple solution, and it's a solution that needs to be accepted worldwide.
THE ONLY SENSIBLE SOLUTION IS AS FOLLOWS:
- EVERYTHING that is illegal in REAL LIFE, should ONLY be illegal if the art piece involves non-consenting REAL people.
- EVERYTHING ELSE should fall under Freedom of Expression.
The biggest problem we face, is decades of brain-washing to the point that we now live in an age where people talk about these matters as if FANTASY and REALITY are the same thing. I'd even go as far to say the problem has reached an epidemic level now.
FANTASY AND REALITY ARE NOT THE SAME AND THEREFORE CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT BE TREATED AS SUCH
- Do directors who make Spaghetti Westerns go around shooting people?
- Do directors who make Slasher Horror go around cutting people's throats?
Of course they don't, therefore the laws need to change in order to uphold Freedom of Expression as absolute, AND FAST.
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Sat, Sep 13Another example of how these things have an unexpected knock-on effect, is Metal Music album art.
Have you seen some of the Death Metal band 'Cannibal Corpse' album art, for example?
A lot of their album art is extremely gruesome and sexually perverse, yet is nevertheless typical of cover art in the Death Metal genre. It's not out of the ordinary, it's just not everyone's cup of tea. But again, after the sort of removals going on here lately, those too would be banned on here. Persoanlly I think the problem we all face can be fixed with one very simple solution, and it's a solution that needs to be accepted worldwide.
THE ONLY SENSIBLE SOLUTION IS AS FOLLOWS:
- EVERYTHING that is illegal in REAL LIFE, should ONLY be illegal if the art piece involves non-consenting REAL people.
- EVERYTHING ELSE should fall under Freedom of Expression.
The biggest problem we face, is decades of brain-washing to the point that we now live in an age where people talk about these matters as if FANTASY and REALITY are the same thing. I'd even go as far to say the problem has reached an epidemic level now.
FANTASY AND REALITY ARE NOT THE SAME AND THEREFORE CANNOT AND SHOULD NOT BE TREATED AS SUCH
- Do directors who make Spaghetti Westerns go around shooting people?
- Do directors who make Slasher Horror go around cutting people's throats?
Of course they don't, therefore the laws need to change in order to uphold Freedom of Expression as absolute, AND FAST.
JohnnyLuck777
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Sat, Sep 13What "cold hard facts" are you pointing out? If you're not assuming, then you're definitely misinterpreting things or don't understand the definitions of the important words.
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"RenderHub has a clause forbidding sex with any animal, regardless of whether the animal is of this world or a fantasy one, does it not?"
No, it does not. A fantasy creature does not fit any of these definitions:
Bestiality: "sexual relations between a person and an animal"
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/Bestiality
Animal: "any such living thing other than a human being"
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/animal
Living: "having life; being alive; not dead"
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/living
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"RenderHub also forbids images depicting non-consensual sex"
The actual language in the Mature Content Policy is "non-consensual or forcible intercourse".
Sexual intercourse: "a sex act that involves penetration of one person’s vagina, anus, or mouth by another person..."
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sexual-intercourse
Person: "a human being as distinguished from an animal or a thing"
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/person
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"Will they be removed? Unfortunately, yes, because they break two ToS rules"
The actual answer is no. Because Tentacle Monster images do not break either of those rules.
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"RenderHub has a clause forbidding sex with any animal, regardless of whether the animal is of this world or a fantasy one, does it not?"
No, it does not. A fantasy creature does not fit any of these definitions:
Bestiality: "sexual relations between a person and an animal"
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/Bestiality
Animal: "any such living thing other than a human being"
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/animal
Living: "having life; being alive; not dead"
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/living
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"RenderHub also forbids images depicting non-consensual sex"
The actual language in the Mature Content Policy is "non-consensual or forcible intercourse".
Sexual intercourse: "a sex act that involves penetration of one person’s vagina, anus, or mouth by another person..."
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/sexual-intercourse
Person: "a human being as distinguished from an animal or a thing"
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/person
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"Will they be removed? Unfortunately, yes, because they break two ToS rules"
The actual answer is no. Because Tentacle Monster images do not break either of those rules.
COMIXIANT
If you're going to reply then at least read and comprehend what I actually wrote. I made it clear that, sure, there are Tentacle Monster images in the gallery (and that it's great to see). However, there are images in the gallery that are typical of the Tentcle Monster genre, which automatically means they break the ToS on two counts. Those being Bestiality and Non-Consensual Sex.
Firstly, if you don't think that a Tentacle Monster is a fictional animal or creature, then what on earth do you think it is?
Secondly, if a Tentacle Monster is pinning down its vcitim, forcing a blowjob upon one tentacle while shoving another into her vagina is not Non-Consensual Sex, then what on earth do you think it is?
The whole point of the Tentacle Monster is non-consensual sex, and why they are often portrayed as using their tentacles to restrain every limb while simultaneously filling every orifice with the remaining tentacles. That's the whole idea behind them in a sexual fetish context. These are FANTASY sex scenarios built around FANTASY sex-oriented creatures.
In my opinion they should NOT be removed from the website, but I suspect that they will be because they break both the "Bestiality" and "Non-Consensual Sex" clauses of the RenderHub ToS. This is why laws need to change, because technically RenderHub will implement whatever restrictions they feel they need to implement by law.
Like I said, it's a dark path to complete erosion of Freedom of Expression.
Again, the laws need to change, AND FAST.
Freedom of Expression MUST be upheld as absolute.
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Sat, Sep 13If you're going to reply then at least read and comprehend what I actually wrote. I made it clear that, sure, there are Tentacle Monster images in the gallery (and that it's great to see). However, there are images in the gallery that are typical of the Tentcle Monster genre, which automatically means they break the ToS on two counts. Those being Bestiality and Non-Consensual Sex.
Firstly, if you don't think that a Tentacle Monster is a fictional animal or creature, then what on earth do you think it is?
Secondly, if a Tentacle Monster is pinning down its vcitim, forcing a blowjob upon one tentacle while shoving another into her vagina is not Non-Consensual Sex, then what on earth do you think it is?
The whole point of the Tentacle Monster is non-consensual sex, and why they are often portrayed as using their tentacles to restrain every limb while simultaneously filling every orifice with the remaining tentacles. That's the whole idea behind them in a sexual fetish context. These are FANTASY sex scenarios built around FANTASY sex-oriented creatures.
In my opinion they should NOT be removed from the website, but I suspect that they will be because they break both the "Bestiality" and "Non-Consensual Sex" clauses of the RenderHub ToS. This is why laws need to change, because technically RenderHub will implement whatever restrictions they feel they need to implement by law.
Like I said, it's a dark path to complete erosion of Freedom of Expression.
Again, the laws need to change, AND FAST.
Freedom of Expression MUST be upheld as absolute.
JohnnyLuck777
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Sat, Sep 13Seriously? Clearly, you're the one with the reading comprehension problem. I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall.
I can't possibly explain it any more clearly than I already have, so just go back and read my last post without jumping straight into defensive mode.
I can't possibly explain it any more clearly than I already have, so just go back and read my last post without jumping straight into defensive mode.
VPNito
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Sun, Sep 14JohnnyLuck spelled it out pretty clearly for you, complete with definitions. I'll try to make it even MORE clear for you.
1. A fantasy creature is not an animal, so it's not bestiality.
2. A fantasy creature is not a person, so there's no non-consensual sex.
Therefore, neither rule is broken as you keep insisting.
Just slow down and read, and you'll realize you're making a big deal out of nothing.
1. A fantasy creature is not an animal, so it's not bestiality.
2. A fantasy creature is not a person, so there's no non-consensual sex.
Therefore, neither rule is broken as you keep insisting.
Just slow down and read, and you'll realize you're making a big deal out of nothing.
COMIXIANT
QUOTE from RenderHub ToS:
"This prohibition applies to all forms of content, including fictional characters and animals."
I suggest you both take your own advice, because here's the first and foremost definition of "Creature" is as follows:
CREATURE - A living being, especially an animal.
The RenderHub ToS clearly states that fictional animals (AKA fictional creatures which is what a Tentacle Monster is) in sex acts are prohibited. So again, if you do not see a Tentacle Monster as a "Fictional Animal (AKA fictional creature), then what do you think it is?
A Tentacle Monster is a "Fictional" living being, and therefore by definition, a "Fictional Animal".
You asked if you could make it any clearer for me, but the quesiton really should be how can I make it any clearer for you two than I just have using the English Language Dictionary and a Thesaurus to do so?
As you can see, it's not ME who needs to have things "made clear" to them
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17 Hours agoQUOTE from RenderHub ToS:
"This prohibition applies to all forms of content, including fictional characters and animals."
I suggest you both take your own advice, because here's the first and foremost definition of "Creature" is as follows:
CREATURE - A living being, especially an animal.
The RenderHub ToS clearly states that fictional animals (AKA fictional creatures which is what a Tentacle Monster is) in sex acts are prohibited. So again, if you do not see a Tentacle Monster as a "Fictional Animal (AKA fictional creature), then what do you think it is?
A Tentacle Monster is a "Fictional" living being, and therefore by definition, a "Fictional Animal".
You asked if you could make it any clearer for me, but the quesiton really should be how can I make it any clearer for you two than I just have using the English Language Dictionary and a Thesaurus to do so?
As you can see, it's not ME who needs to have things "made clear" to them
COMIXIANT
Can't edit my post, so here's an edit intended for the post above:
A Tentacle Monster is a "Fictional Creature", and therefore by definition, a "Fictional Animal".
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17 Hours agoCan't edit my post, so here's an edit intended for the post above:
A Tentacle Monster is a "Fictional Creature", and therefore by definition, a "Fictional Animal".
COMIXIANT
@RenderHub
Well that's great to hear, but is it safe to assume that Tentacle Monsters having non-consensual sex with a human, is permitted?
The way the ToS is written, is suggests that such art would be prohibited.
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13 Hours ago@RenderHub
Well that's great to hear, but is it safe to assume that Tentacle Monsters having non-consensual sex with a human, is permitted?
The way the ToS is written, is suggests that such art would be prohibited.
Luxe Muse
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13 Hours agoI would also caution @COMIXIANT that depictions of consensual and non-consensual acts require conscientiousness. Both actors in such a rendering are not human either, nor the fictional female or male or the tentacle. (Unless the person is made in the image of a living human, I might add.) Why anyone would like it is not for me to judge. It is not my business. But I do live in reality, and every time I hear anything about consent in art, I do not think it is a correct statement.
@RenderHub, oh my gosh, thank you!
@RenderHub, oh my gosh, thank you!
Luxe Muse
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13 Hours ago* anything about consent in Fictional art
^ correction to my prior post.
^ correction to my prior post.
COMIXIANT
My apologies in advance to the artists bhibd these works, but I need to demonstrate something here. Should your artwork suddenly start being reported by malicious trolls after posting these links, then you have my sincere sympathy in advance!
EXAMPLE 1:
https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/31260/tentacle-monster-attack-2
EXAMPLE 2:
https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/33144/katelyn-vs-tentacles
BOTH of these images break the RenderHub ToS on TWO counts. Those being "Bestiality" and "Non-Consensual Sex". I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that my interpretation of both these images are of a human being subjected to non-consensual sex with a fictional creature or animal, whatever you prefer to call it.
Now if my interpretation of the ToS is wrong then I'm pleased to hear it, but please explain WHY that is. If these images do not portray non-consenual sex between a human being and a fictional animal, then I really don't know what does!
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12 Hours agoMy apologies in advance to the artists bhibd these works, but I need to demonstrate something here. Should your artwork suddenly start being reported by malicious trolls after posting these links, then you have my sincere sympathy in advance!
EXAMPLE 1:
https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/31260/tentacle-monster-attack-2
EXAMPLE 2:
https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/33144/katelyn-vs-tentacles
BOTH of these images break the RenderHub ToS on TWO counts. Those being "Bestiality" and "Non-Consensual Sex". I think it's perfectly reasonable to assume that my interpretation of both these images are of a human being subjected to non-consensual sex with a fictional creature or animal, whatever you prefer to call it.
Now if my interpretation of the ToS is wrong then I'm pleased to hear it, but please explain WHY that is. If these images do not portray non-consenual sex between a human being and a fictional animal, then I really don't know what does!
COMIXIANT
Typo correction for the above post:
"bhibd2 was meant to be "behind"
Sorry ladies, I appear to have had my characters in bit a twist right there, it must be my huge tentacles getting in the way!
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12 Hours agoTypo correction for the above post:
"bhibd2 was meant to be "behind"
Sorry ladies, I appear to have had my characters in bit a twist right there, it must be my huge tentacles getting in the way!
COMIXIANT
And even my typo correction has a typo, so I shall attempt a third time:
"bhibd" was meant to be "behind".
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12 Hours agoAnd even my typo correction has a typo, so I shall attempt a third time:
"bhibd" was meant to be "behind".
JohnnyLuck777
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9 Hours agoDude... You're going down the wrong path. I tried to steer you down the right path in the *first two sentences* of my original reply.
The phrase "including fictional characters and animals" does NOT mean "fictional characters" and "fictional animals". It means "fictional characters" and "animals".
Think about this sentence: The restaurant had many items on its menu, including fried chicken and beer. That does NOT mean that the beer is fried.
Do you get it now?
The phrase "including fictional characters and animals" does NOT mean "fictional characters" and "fictional animals". It means "fictional characters" and "animals".
Think about this sentence: The restaurant had many items on its menu, including fried chicken and beer. That does NOT mean that the beer is fried.
Do you get it now?
COMIXIANT
It makes no difference, because even if we take it that way, the images would STILL break the ToS on TWO counts.
Both of those images feature "Non-Consensual Sex" between "Fictional Characters and Animals", and I'm using the exact term that you just suggested in quotes here!
Are we getting there yet?
It's quite possible that such images are not forbidden here. But if that's the case then hopefully the wording can be addressed, because no matter which way you twist it, the current ToS does indeed render BOTH images a ToS violation on TWO counts.
I suppose your next reply will be an attempt to convince me that the sex is consensual, too, right?
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8 Hours agoIt makes no difference, because even if we take it that way, the images would STILL break the ToS on TWO counts.
Both of those images feature "Non-Consensual Sex" between "Fictional Characters and Animals", and I'm using the exact term that you just suggested in quotes here!
Are we getting there yet?
It's quite possible that such images are not forbidden here. But if that's the case then hopefully the wording can be addressed, because no matter which way you twist it, the current ToS does indeed render BOTH images a ToS violation on TWO counts.
I suppose your next reply will be an attempt to convince me that the sex is consensual, too, right?
JohnnyLuck777
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7 Hours agoGood grief... I didn't "suggest" any terms. The phrase "including fictional characters and animals" is the *exact* language in the Mature Content Policy.
You're so busy trying to defend your position that you can't even see the crystal clear answers that are right in front of your face.
I'm done here. Enjoy your fried beer.
You're so busy trying to defend your position that you can't even see the crystal clear answers that are right in front of your face.
I'm done here. Enjoy your fried beer.
COMIXIANT
Yeah, I thought that one might end the conversation a bit quick-like!
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6 Hours agoYeah, I thought that one might end the conversation a bit quick-like!
I would say proper classification is important. And accurate listings, that way the offensive stuff can be filtered out of searches and gallery displays.
But there is absolutely some things that even cross the line of Adult on here. those images will not be missed if they are removed.
And if you are one of those that is actually missing those types of images, perhaps going to have a talk with your local shrink might be a wrothwhile venture.
But there is absolutely some things that even cross the line of Adult on here. those images will not be missed if they are removed.
And if you are one of those that is actually missing those types of images, perhaps going to have a talk with your local shrink might be a wrothwhile venture.
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