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GLBMy store is getting CLOSED over 7 days
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DoroThee237Mon, Mar 23
TenserknotMon, Mar 23
USBSun, Mar 22
3DLokiSat, Mar 21
JohnnyLuck777Sat, Mar 21
JohnnyLuck777Sat, Mar 21
Hello friends and loyal customers, I have decided to close my shop in 7 days. This time, I don't want to just disappear suddenly. I am not moving to another platform; I was away for a while before and returned as an experiment to see how it would go. I must be honest, I am disappointed. Given the current political developments and uncertainties in the financial markets, the Dollar is weakening, and the existence of our banking system and our money is no longer guaranteed. I will keep prices low for the last 7 days; customers who wish to make bulk purchases can ask me for a coupon code via DM.
Thank you very much, everyone.
Thank you very much, everyone.
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Unfortunately, the market has been down since last month, and with the political and commercial uncertainty, sales are very low; this is the reality for many. Regards.
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That's sad to hear. I hope you'll stick around and take part in keeping the place alive. I figure that Rendo and R'Otica are on their last legs and Daz will dig it's own grave as they move everything behind an online paywall. This place will be the only one left.
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I don't understand the point of closing a store. Stopping 3D printing and moving on to something else is easily understandable, but closing the store means losing the opportunity to find new customers who would be happy to use one of our products.
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Je ne comprends pas l'intéret de fermer un magasin. Arreter de produire de la 3D et de passer à autre chose oui cela est facilement comprehensible, mais fermer le magasin cela signifie que perdre l'oportunité de ne pas trouver de nouveaux clients qui seraient content d'utiliser un de nos produits
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Je ne comprends pas l'intéret de fermer un magasin. Arreter de produire de la 3D et de passer à autre chose oui cela est facilement comprehensible, mais fermer le magasin cela signifie que perdre l'oportunité de ne pas trouver de nouveaux clients qui seraient content d'utiliser un de nos produits
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supremoomega
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Mon, Mar 16Some people get depressed because they see that all their hard work hasn't been worth it, since little or nothing is sold, and they prefer to end it all, as they have no hope that things will change.
DoroThee237
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Mon, Mar 16I don't know how your stores work, but for several months now I've been selling very few of the new items I add to my store. Most of my sales are of items that have been listed for several months, even years.
I think RenderHub's choice to set Trending as the default is the cause of this phenomenon, which can discourage sellers who have few items to sell or who have recently opened their stores.
I think RenderHub's choice to set Trending as the default is the cause of this phenomenon, which can discourage sellers who have few items to sell or who have recently opened their stores.
supremoomega
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Mon, Mar 16I don't think that's it. There are other factors, like inflation and uncertainty in the countries where these items are most commonly purchased. When people see this, they prefer to save their money for essentials and not for things like hobbies, because ultimately, the 3D we make is for users who enjoy our products. Few people will use it for professional 3D work. Another thing, I don't know where USB is from, but if he's from Europe and his currency is the euro, the euro is worth more than the dollar. The dollar is worth less, and if his work is bought in dollars, it won't generate any profit, especially with the 3D market downturn. Right now, many people are also enjoying AI, neglecting 3D. In short, there are several things that have caused the 3D market to decline. Let's hope it improves.
USB
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Wed, Mar 18That is correct, my friend, I live in Europe. When I get paid, there is much less left for me.
On top of that comes the competitive position; some vendors sell complete characters with hair, clothing, makeup, props, etc., for a price that is far too low. They use the same working method as 3DUK: they download a free rip, put a simple rig in it, and sell it for a price I cannot compete with, and that is extremely demotivating. In other words, it is no longer worth it for me.
On top of that comes the competitive position; some vendors sell complete characters with hair, clothing, makeup, props, etc., for a price that is far too low. They use the same working method as 3DUK: they download a free rip, put a simple rig in it, and sell it for a price I cannot compete with, and that is extremely demotivating. In other words, it is no longer worth it for me.
DoroThee237
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Wed, Mar 18It all depends on what you expect from the revenue generated on RenderHub: a primary source of income or just a supplementary one. Closing the shop also means depriving yourself of a source of income that could become a supplementary source of revenue.
kwerkx
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Thu, Mar 19"On top of that comes the competitive position; some vendors sell complete characters with hair, clothing, makeup, props, etc., for a price that is far too low. They use the same working method as 3DUK: they download a free rip, put a simple rig in it, and sell it for a price I cannot compete with, and that is extremely demotivating. In other words, it is no longer worth it for me.'
That comparison is not fair... The price on that stuff is low because it is a rip and specifically for fan art. That's not what you offer (your stuff is custom models with clean licenses) and priced as such; why compare the two? I wish you well and hope you stick around.. at least in the forums.
That comparison is not fair... The price on that stuff is low because it is a rip and specifically for fan art. That's not what you offer (your stuff is custom models with clean licenses) and priced as such; why compare the two? I wish you well and hope you stick around.. at least in the forums.
Yeah, I don't know what happened this month but sales dropped off the side of a cliff. Everything is just dead. I'm seeing about 15-20% of "normal" activity. But then again I haven't been here that long, so I don't really "know" this websites normal activity, I don't know if it's due to what.
Good luck, I hope something works out for you. I don't see the upside to closing the store, but if I had a head for business I guess I wouldn't has this issue....
Good luck, I hope something works out for you. I don't see the upside to closing the store, but if I had a head for business I guess I wouldn't has this issue....
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I could be very wrong if I am that I’m sorry-
But aren’t you the one who’s every now and then has the ’m closing“ and ’m back“ topics with discount?
And I’m from the EU as well. I don’t think it does anybody any favors to complain about the prices from other vandors. If you qualify and service is top- they will buy and come back. Geez… I wish people would be more optimistic… especially in times like this.
But aren’t you the one who’s every now and then has the ’m closing“ and ’m back“ topics with discount?
And I’m from the EU as well. I don’t think it does anybody any favors to complain about the prices from other vandors. If you qualify and service is top- they will buy and come back. Geez… I wish people would be more optimistic… especially in times like this.
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USB
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Wed, Mar 18My shop was closed 1 time earlyer... not for discount purpose, it's not a commercial or SALE stunt if you tought it is.
USB
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Wed, Mar 18Yes but thats another story than you suggested, do you really think I'm opening and close my store for SALES? all my products are always on sale so why should close/open to make.. sales lol
KuraiKya
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Wed, Mar 18ear of missing out“ it’s a marketing strategy to announce something and make customer think that’s their last chance to buy.
And you already drop here a discount too for them. I don’t think I’m far fetched. You blame everything but yourself. The political system, the USA dollar, the customers… I’m not attacking you. I’m just staying; I wouldn’t take you serious anymore if I were your customer.
And you already drop here a discount too for them. I don’t think I’m far fetched. You blame everything but yourself. The political system, the USA dollar, the customers… I’m not attacking you. I’m just staying; I wouldn’t take you serious anymore if I were your customer.
Why close it though? The work is already done so just leave it up and enjoy whatever income you get from it while you move on.
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I believe, closing a 500+ product catalog feels like throwing away years of work that could still generate income over time.
Even if sales are slow now, you've already done the hardest part. It might just need repositioning, not shutting down.
If anything, I'd strongly suggest keeping the shop open, even if you stop producing for a while.
Either way, respect for what you built - that's not something most creators ever achieve.
I wish I were as talented as you are.
Even if sales are slow now, you've already done the hardest part. It might just need repositioning, not shutting down.
If anything, I'd strongly suggest keeping the shop open, even if you stop producing for a while.
Either way, respect for what you built - that's not something most creators ever achieve.
I wish I were as talented as you are.
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I'm showing my ignorance here, as I'm no vendor, but is there an upkeep cost here? If there isn't, may as well just keep it up, and let the small somethings be better than nothing.
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guy91600
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Wed, Mar 18RendeHub simply takes a percentage of the sale amount based on the number of items in the store.
Had at least one of yours, picked up 10 more today. Your products and prices are good there's only so many 25 ish year old females I can use though 
Particularly since adding Genesis 8 Female morphs comes with a load time cost the way DAZ does it.
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Quote: "In short, there are several things that have caused the 3D market to decline. Let's hope it improves."
Flipped Normals
started accepting Daz content just last year ….Now they are Dead
Flipped Normals
started accepting Daz content just last year ….Now they are Dead
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3DLoki
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Fri, Mar 20NOT attacking or trying to be mean/rude but...
Flipped Normals is the dead last thing I would ever use to compare what the Daz market is doing, FN was a tutorial site, they started accepting Daz content and vendors knowing NOTHING of the actual market (go watch their video the put on their YT channel where they announced Daz content, they knew very little about the software but still tried to explain it.
FN's core audience are/were Blender, 3D Studio Max and ZBrush users NOT Daz and Daz vendors were expected to send their own traffic to their store pages (AND they would earn 90% of any sale generated that way, yes 90% of each sale, not something that would help sustain a marketplace honestly)
Anyway, as others have already said in here, leave your store open, it costs you nothing to do so, and it will = passive income when any sales come through. once the market rebounds (as it always has) then if you feel like it make new products.
Side note, RHub is similar in the sense that if you actually want to generate sales YOU have to generate most of the traffic to your pages, they do very little advertising here and since most search pages default to "popular" instead of "newest" it's hard for a lot of products to benefit from the sites own traffic. I don't promote my products here and I get approx 30-40 sales a month tops (only 8 this month) but it's extra passive income and I make more elsewhere so it's fine.
Flipped Normals is the dead last thing I would ever use to compare what the Daz market is doing, FN was a tutorial site, they started accepting Daz content and vendors knowing NOTHING of the actual market (go watch their video the put on their YT channel where they announced Daz content, they knew very little about the software but still tried to explain it.
FN's core audience are/were Blender, 3D Studio Max and ZBrush users NOT Daz and Daz vendors were expected to send their own traffic to their store pages (AND they would earn 90% of any sale generated that way, yes 90% of each sale, not something that would help sustain a marketplace honestly)
Anyway, as others have already said in here, leave your store open, it costs you nothing to do so, and it will = passive income when any sales come through. once the market rebounds (as it always has) then if you feel like it make new products.
Side note, RHub is similar in the sense that if you actually want to generate sales YOU have to generate most of the traffic to your pages, they do very little advertising here and since most search pages default to "popular" instead of "newest" it's hard for a lot of products to benefit from the sites own traffic. I don't promote my products here and I get approx 30-40 sales a month tops (only 8 this month) but it's extra passive income and I make more elsewhere so it's fine.
DoroThee237
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Sat, Mar 21In my humble opinion, it's the other character sellers who are rubbing their hands together. One less competitor is always good news 
JohnnyLuck777
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Sat, Mar 21@3DLoki: I totally agree with you on the FlippedNormals (non) comparison.
And you're right - 90% payouts to vendors is probably the exact reason they weren't able to make the marketplace work financially.
But what are you talking about RenderHub doing "very little advertising"?
I see them active on all the major (and not so major) social sites. I see their ads on Facebook and Instagram. (Just today, even). I see their ad spots on Google, YouTube, and Gmail (which suggests they're running a Performance Max campaign). I see they have a team of creators making Blender and Unreal Engine shorts. I see regular sponsored spots on AskNK and InspirationTuts YouTube channels. I see advertorials on 80 Level and CG Channel. That's not to mention the contests they're always running with substantial cash prize payouts. (Which is a form of advertising). None of this is cheap.
From what I see, it's the exact opposite from what you describe. And I don't see any other 3D marketplaces doing this level of advertising right now. So... Please explain what you think they should be doing. Running a Super Bowl ad?
And you're right - 90% payouts to vendors is probably the exact reason they weren't able to make the marketplace work financially.
But what are you talking about RenderHub doing "very little advertising"?
I see them active on all the major (and not so major) social sites. I see their ads on Facebook and Instagram. (Just today, even). I see their ad spots on Google, YouTube, and Gmail (which suggests they're running a Performance Max campaign). I see they have a team of creators making Blender and Unreal Engine shorts. I see regular sponsored spots on AskNK and InspirationTuts YouTube channels. I see advertorials on 80 Level and CG Channel. That's not to mention the contests they're always running with substantial cash prize payouts. (Which is a form of advertising). None of this is cheap.
From what I see, it's the exact opposite from what you describe. And I don't see any other 3D marketplaces doing this level of advertising right now. So... Please explain what you think they should be doing. Running a Super Bowl ad?
3DLoki
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Sat, Mar 21I've honestly never seen an ad for RHub out in the wild (Unlike Daz which I can never escape their ads lol) all I've ever seen is the highly sporadic product spotlight emails from RHub.
So if they are actually out there advertising that's awesome, sadly doesn't change that my products get little to no views or sales unless I send the traffic to them myself but good to hear they are not just sitting back collecting their cut and doing no work!
As for the contests, yeah I know about those, and honestly I don't know of a 3D marketplace that doesn't run those types of things, it's almost a "must do or else" type of thing lol.
All jokes and snark aside though, thanks for letting me know! I'm gonna have to be on the look out for them
So if they are actually out there advertising that's awesome, sadly doesn't change that my products get little to no views or sales unless I send the traffic to them myself but good to hear they are not just sitting back collecting their cut and doing no work!
As for the contests, yeah I know about those, and honestly I don't know of a 3D marketplace that doesn't run those types of things, it's almost a "must do or else" type of thing lol.
All jokes and snark aside though, thanks for letting me know! I'm gonna have to be on the look out for them
I keep wondering how much of an impact those talentless, self entitled, immature creeps in the pirate sites have on sales.
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supremoomega
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Thu, Mar 19It's the worst. Once a product is pirated, it's almost impossible to sell. I remember when I released a character; the very day I put it on sale, some idiot pirated it. It spread across all the pirate websites in 2023. To date, it's only been sold nine times in three years, and that was just in the first few months of 2023. Since then, it hasn't sold again. That discourages 3D artists; it takes away all their motivation to create products.
Bobb
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Fri, Mar 20I've heard that from plenty of other creators over the years. I've been in most pirate sites for years, quietly watching the going's on. It's pathetic how they justify their thievery. What's sadder is that if the vendors big and small all got together, they could easily track and ban the punks that buy and share their items. It wouldn't stop it entirely but it would kill the mainstream sharing. Renderotica and this place did it for a while but their tactic was simplistic and quickly discovered by the pirate scum who implemented a work around. I've talked to the IT folks where I work and they spent a fun hour showing me the methods to 'tag' or embed a small bit of data in almost any file. It's difficult to find and identifies the person who bought it. I've mentioned this to the main vendors over the years and if I get any response it to shrug their corporate shoulders and say that it can't be stopped so they aren't going to bother. I wonder what kind of response there'd be if ALL, every single one, all vendors and creators stopped selling for a few months and blamed the pirate community...er creeps.
Pushee-Ri
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Fri, Mar 20@Bobb:
" It's difficult to find and identifies the person who bought it "
Together with Doro, I had (have) the idea of a cross-data database for RH. This could then (in theory) be used to expose the criminals. Unfortunately, however, I don't have the time (or, at the moment, the focus) to program it (in Perl, i.e., web- / browser-based).
" It's difficult to find and identifies the person who bought it "
Together with Doro, I had (have) the idea of a cross-data database for RH. This could then (in theory) be used to expose the criminals. Unfortunately, however, I don't have the time (or, at the moment, the focus) to program it (in Perl, i.e., web- / browser-based).
supremoomega
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Fri, Mar 20Bobb, there are 3D artists who depend on their sales to live, they're unlikely to stop making products, even if their products are pirated, they'll keep making them to earn a few dollars. For those who it's just a hobby, they simply stop because it no longer generates income, and these same pirates are fans of our work, but they themselves are responsible for destroying those who make products they love.
" ... On top of that comes the competitive position; some vendors sell complete characters with hair, clothing, makeup, props, etc., for a price that is far too low. They use the same working method as 3DUK: they download a free rip, put a simple rig in it, and sell it for a price I cannot compete with, and that is extremely demotivating. In other words, it is no longer worth it for me ..."
I'm going to give you some pointers that might be helpful. Look for a message from me within the next hour or two (or three).
I'm going to give you some pointers that might be helpful. Look for a message from me within the next hour or two (or three).
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As others have said, it doesn't make much sense to simply close up shop - for a shop that costs you nothing to have open.
Wouldn't it be better to earn residual income from the work you've already put into making the products?
Wouldn't it be better to earn residual income from the work you've already put into making the products?
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On request by a vew people trough my DM, it will extended to Wednessday, after that its over.
Coupons are still available trought DM!!!
Coupons are still available trought DM!!!
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I sotpped making stuff because of all the piracy. blame those leeches.
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DoroThee237
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Mon, Mar 23Quote: "Blame those leeches."
You're right, but the ones responsible are the ones who make the laws, which are full of loopholes. If international laws actually enforced them and the resources were allocated to enforce them, these two-bit pirates would disappear in less than a year!
You're right, but the ones responsible are the ones who make the laws, which are full of loopholes. If international laws actually enforced them and the resources were allocated to enforce them, these two-bit pirates would disappear in less than a year!