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GLBDaz vendors using AI to enhance images of characters for sale
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RenderHub Admin 1Mon, Apr 20
BobbSun, Apr 19
Angry SaladSun, Apr 19
MasterstrokeSun, Apr 19
MasterstrokeSun, Apr 19
Pushee-RiSun, Apr 19
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Luxe MuseSat, Apr 18
BobbFri, Apr 17
There needs to be a hard and fast rule banning vendors from using AI to enhance the images of Daz characters they are trying to sell in the market place.
There is one that showed up today (April 5th) that is clearly fraudulent, especially given the vendors history of work previous to AI being used to enhance their work.
This practice is completely dishonest and needs to be stopped before it spreads.
There is one that showed up today (April 5th) that is clearly fraudulent, especially given the vendors history of work previous to AI being used to enhance their work.
This practice is completely dishonest and needs to be stopped before it spreads.
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I agree, that's really strange. Today I came across this: https://www.renderhub.com/adelia774/willamina-aruna-for-genesis-8-female It even says "AI Was Used In Promo Images", but what's the point of that?
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pixelflynt
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Sun, Apr 05Yep. This is the one I'm talking about. It's even worse.
https://www.renderhub.com/nidah/quinnie-azkadina-for-genesis-8-female
https://www.renderhub.com/nidah/quinnie-azkadina-for-genesis-8-female
Bobb
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Sun, Apr 05Thanks for pointing this out. I now have a growing list of vendors I won't buy from.
Us AI.....lose me as a customer.
Us AI.....lose me as a customer.
Yes, it's a real problem when sellers use AI in their product promotional images because ultimately, buyers get a distorted view of what they're buying.
They can always request a refund, but the risk is a loss of trust, especially if they don't get it.
They can always request a refund, but the risk is a loss of trust, especially if they don't get it.
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I don't mind if they use a couple of promo images touched up with AI but it should be required to have the main promo image and the base of the rest to be regular iray renders.
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That's what I've been saying. Just because you openly disclose your AI usage doesn't mean we can see what the actual product looks like.
It's especially shitty when ads show expressions that don't come from a morph you can use. Not helpful for a director evaluating what may or may not be useful.
It's especially shitty when ads show expressions that don't come from a morph you can use. Not helpful for a director evaluating what may or may not be useful.
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Congratulations to the one who wants to take one for the team and show what it looks like without AI touchups, but yeah, give me something that shows what I'll be working with.
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Per our AI Content Policy:
The use of AI in promo images or videos on marketplace items is allowed, as long as they accurately represent the product and are accompanied by non-AI promo images.
https://www.renderhub.com/info/ai-content-policy
If you find that a vendor is violating this policy, please click the report button on the product. That will flag it for review, and appropriate action will be taken.
The use of AI in promo images or videos on marketplace items is allowed, as long as they accurately represent the product and are accompanied by non-AI promo images.
https://www.renderhub.com/info/ai-content-policy
If you find that a vendor is violating this policy, please click the report button on the product. That will flag it for review, and appropriate action will be taken.
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3DSaga
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Mon, Apr 06Thank you for providing clarification on RenderHub's AI policy on use of AI images in product promos. I'm going to be very wary when purchasing characters on RH. I'm in the market for 3D models, not AI art. If a vendor needs to show enhanced images of their 3D models in order to sell them, that makes me skeptical of the quality of the product.
I would have a lot more confidence in the products if the individual enhanced images were identified among the promos.
I would have a lot more confidence in the products if the individual enhanced images were identified among the promos.
RenderHub Admin 1
Admin: 15,725
Mon, Apr 06"...if the individual enhanced images were identified among the promos..."
Absolutely. We just discussed this in today's team meeting. Please see my update below.
Thank you for your feedback.
Absolutely. We just discussed this in today's team meeting. Please see my update below.
Thank you for your feedback.
UPDATE: This was discussed at today's team meeting.
We plan to make a change to the product submission process.
If a vendor uses AI in their promo images, they will be required to indicate *which images* were AI-enhanced.
This indication will also appear *per image* on the product page, instead of the general notice that is there now.
Additionally, vendors will not be allowed to use AI on the main thumbnail image or primary promo image.
Per the owner, this is a priority update - so hopefully, we'll see this new functionality soon.
Thank you all for your valuable feedback.
We plan to make a change to the product submission process.
If a vendor uses AI in their promo images, they will be required to indicate *which images* were AI-enhanced.
This indication will also appear *per image* on the product page, instead of the general notice that is there now.
Additionally, vendors will not be allowed to use AI on the main thumbnail image or primary promo image.
Per the owner, this is a priority update - so hopefully, we'll see this new functionality soon.
Thank you all for your valuable feedback.
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3DSaga
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Mon, Apr 06Thank you for addressing this and making it a priority. I think it makes clear guidelines for the use of AI, and gives us some measure of reassurance that we can expect a presentation of the product to be accurate.
RenderHub Admin 1
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Wed, Apr 08UPDATE: The new functionality has been implemented. Please see my full post below.
i put ai enhanced promos at the exact same level as poorly lit dark promos. the seller is hiding something. not going to buy.
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I remember the time when a lot of promos were enhanced by post-work. Some looked like a painting. Yet, somehow you could get a vague sense of what you are buying, but with AI it's literally not the case. I took a look at the links you provided and yes. I'd not buy.
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Imho any postwork on product images, regardless wether they are done by an AI or HI, can be a problem if they imply that the original product yields such results without.
AI just makes it way more easy to go that way.
A "per image" disclaimer would be much appreciated.
AI just makes it way more easy to go that way.
A "per image" disclaimer would be much appreciated.
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Angry Salad
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Tue, Apr 07There are vendors that do it the right way. They have the promos of the model at their base, and then, of course, the dolled-up, light postwork renders.
IMO, there's nothing mischievous about those; it's the ones that are solely relying on AI to make models that are an overall easy 4... look like a 10.
IMO, there's nothing mischievous about those; it's the ones that are solely relying on AI to make models that are an overall easy 4... look like a 10.
MacSomme
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Tue, Apr 07If the promotion images show more then the product offers I am quite indifferent about wether the exaggerations were produced by human postwork or an AI.
It just became way more easy to do that with the rise of AIs.
Its the intend that counts, not the tool used for that. Just imho, of course.
It just became way more easy to do that with the rise of AIs.
Its the intend that counts, not the tool used for that. Just imho, of course.
kwerkx
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Tue, Apr 07MacSomme said, "Its the intend that counts, not the tool used"
Well said.
Well said.
Well, the truth is you all know me, and some have strongly criticized me for uploading Daz3D + AI renders to my gallery... but I never did any promotion with AI. That's what I said in the other separate thread I've had since the end of 2019. So I'm not a newcomer and I've always been very honest, even if it hurts me. And because of personal issues and sometimes because of comments about my renders that openly claimed they were enhanced by AI, I haven't been making anything to sell for months, except for some freebies or uploading old freebies that I hadn't uploaded yet, which were from the Renderosity era, like the case of Ainara G8.I still maintain that AI is a good tool, and as such, it's important to know how to use it to avoid overusing it. In my case, for blending faces (of my characters in Face Fusion), I have many more than I've released...
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There are images that, although based on my characters and Daz renders, I don't upload to the gallery because I left more room for the AI to do its own thing. I don't think to upload those images, except for the last portrait I uploaded of Raphel G8. But I'm sure that if I didn't mention it was enhanced with AI, it would get more likes, etc.
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UPDATE: The new functionality has been implemented.
Hopefully, this clarity helps customers with their buying decision.
Thank you all for your valuable feedback. We welcome your additional comments.
- If a vendor uses AI in their promo images, they must now specifically indicate which images were AI-enhanced.
- On product pages, there is now a clear "AI" label on each AI-enhanced promo image and corresponding thumbnail.
- The use of AI in product videos must also be disclosed and is labeled similarly.
- There is a new report button option on product pages: "AI Use Not Disclosed".
Hopefully, this clarity helps customers with their buying decision.
Thank you all for your valuable feedback. We welcome your additional comments.
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3DLoki
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Wed, Apr 08and yet that Quinnie Azkadina product is still live to buy in the store?
Clearly the promos do not reflect anything CLOSE to what a customer will be able to get inside of Daz, are we really going to use our "safeharbor" to wait and see if someone complains enough to then pull the model down?
Using AI in promos is bad enough, but to try and claim that a G8F model does or can produce 100% lifelike photo real skin with only iray is downright fraud.
I've found a few vendors with nothing but full stores of content just like this and they are there just selling their stuff and frankly ripping off their customers, it's bad enough the game rip stuff sticks around here as long as it does, now we can just totally fake our promos till we get "called out enough?"
Please do better, know it or not, you are quickly becoming the only actual Daz store left after Daz themselves, IYKYK, if not... ask around I guess.
Clearly the promos do not reflect anything CLOSE to what a customer will be able to get inside of Daz, are we really going to use our "safeharbor" to wait and see if someone complains enough to then pull the model down?
Using AI in promos is bad enough, but to try and claim that a G8F model does or can produce 100% lifelike photo real skin with only iray is downright fraud.
I've found a few vendors with nothing but full stores of content just like this and they are there just selling their stuff and frankly ripping off their customers, it's bad enough the game rip stuff sticks around here as long as it does, now we can just totally fake our promos till we get "called out enough?"
Please do better, know it or not, you are quickly becoming the only actual Daz store left after Daz themselves, IYKYK, if not... ask around I guess.
3DLoki
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Wed, Apr 08I withdraw my comment, 1 hour later and "ding dong the fake product is gone!" GG!
Tarim
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Thu, Apr 09Until yesterday there were many products featuring AI promotional images, but after the revision it seems they have decreased.
Tarim
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Thu, Apr 09It seems there are also people who have simply stopped labeling it.
Honestly, I hope we don’t end up in a situation where it’s more advantageous not to disclose that it’s AI.
Honestly, I hope we don’t end up in a situation where it’s more advantageous not to disclose that it’s AI.
3DLoki
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Fri, Apr 10In all honesty, no one should be using AI on their promo images hard stop!
Promo images are meant to show prospective buyers what the product looks like, and what they SHOULD expect if they buy it and install it.
When you start jacking up the contrast, or running AI filters over your promos YES it might look "better" but those images no longer represent what the buyer will experience once they install and try rendering.
I rarely even use expressions in my promos because what if the buyer doesn't have them and can't recreate the look, what if the buyers expect that expression to come with the product and they don't so now they want a refund.
IF you feel that you just "have to" start postworking the ever loving hell out of your promos OR use AI to make them look even better then they can via Daz, just take an extra few mins and drop those images into your graphic editor of choice and add "ARTISTIC RENDER" to one of the bottom corners of the image.
Now, despite what I just said, this only 100% applies to characters, clothing, hair and scenes (environments) if you're making and selling poses for example, go crazy, no one is buying poses based on how photo-real the models look, or how much contrast is in the shots, they are buying the POSES, so as long as you don't alter that, postwork, AI, "Artsy Fartsy" is fine in my book.
Promo images are meant to show prospective buyers what the product looks like, and what they SHOULD expect if they buy it and install it.
When you start jacking up the contrast, or running AI filters over your promos YES it might look "better" but those images no longer represent what the buyer will experience once they install and try rendering.
I rarely even use expressions in my promos because what if the buyer doesn't have them and can't recreate the look, what if the buyers expect that expression to come with the product and they don't so now they want a refund.
IF you feel that you just "have to" start postworking the ever loving hell out of your promos OR use AI to make them look even better then they can via Daz, just take an extra few mins and drop those images into your graphic editor of choice and add "ARTISTIC RENDER" to one of the bottom corners of the image.
Now, despite what I just said, this only 100% applies to characters, clothing, hair and scenes (environments) if you're making and selling poses for example, go crazy, no one is buying poses based on how photo-real the models look, or how much contrast is in the shots, they are buying the POSES, so as long as you don't alter that, postwork, AI, "Artsy Fartsy" is fine in my book.
Masterstroke
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Sun, Apr 19@RenderHub Admin 1:
Sounds good to me, but let me suggest one more addition to this.
At least one of the promos has to be non-AI.
Sounds good to me, but let me suggest one more addition to this.
At least one of the promos has to be non-AI.
RenderHub Admin 1
Admin: 15,725
Mon, Apr 20@Masterstroke - Absolutely. This already has been a requirement, as I mentioned in my first reply in this thread:
The use of AI in promo images or videos on marketplace items is allowed, as long as they ***accurately represent the product*** and are ***accompanied by non-AI promo images***.
https://www.renderhub.com/info/ai-content-policy
The use of AI in promo images or videos on marketplace items is allowed, as long as they ***accurately represent the product*** and are ***accompanied by non-AI promo images***.
https://www.renderhub.com/info/ai-content-policy
These 2 are still up, clearly marked as AI on the main promo images:
https://www.renderhub.com/sagittarius-a/riteforge-ritual-props-for-daz-studio
https://www.renderhub.com/sagittarius-a/ritual-poses-for-genesis-8-and-8-1
https://www.renderhub.com/sagittarius-a/riteforge-ritual-props-for-daz-studio
https://www.renderhub.com/sagittarius-a/ritual-poses-for-genesis-8-and-8-1
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who is the target demographic for this type of Advertising??
Even as an AI user, I do not understand the "logic" in trying to lure a person into buying your Daz product with AI images that are NOT possible with Daz Iray or your Daz Product.
Anti-AI customers will likely boycott your products out of spite even with 'Full disclosures about AI promo renders.
And people who are open to AI usage will only be reminded that they literally no longer need to buy any actual 3D models in 2026.
only ACCESS to systems & services that simulate 3D/2D rendering & animation.
Even as an AI user, I do not understand the "logic" in trying to lure a person into buying your Daz product with AI images that are NOT possible with Daz Iray or your Daz Product.
Anti-AI customers will likely boycott your products out of spite even with 'Full disclosures about AI promo renders.
And people who are open to AI usage will only be reminded that they literally no longer need to buy any actual 3D models in 2026.
only ACCESS to systems & services that simulate 3D/2D rendering & animation.
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At this point, I am convinced that anyone who claims 3D is dead and that there is no need for it because of AI, while spreading propaganda on a 3D forum, is simply a troll.
When trolling is paired with piracy, it is no wonder our sales are down.
When trolling is paired with piracy, it is no wonder our sales are down.
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Luxe Muse
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Thu, Apr 09You can echo all you want digitally, but you can never echo what is to be here, now, to feel, to carry scars, or hopes to wake up at 3am, to be human.
But in the end, it is a fallacy that human creativity can or will be replaced. Those who embrace a mindless existence are not so very different from those who embrace a nihilistic view of the world.
But in the end, it is a fallacy that human creativity can or will be replaced. Those who embrace a mindless existence are not so very different from those who embrace a nihilistic view of the world.
evarest
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Thu, Apr 09Absolutely, AI has no shortage of evangelists eager to convince everyone they’re witnessing the “next big thing,only to back it up with some of the most orthopedic nonsense imaginable as evidence of what’s supposedly the near future of 3D.
Angry Salad
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Thu, Apr 09I've encountered plenty of people with that very same opinion, and it's clear to me that they have an agenda. To simply elude that 3D in its totality is "Dead" or "Useless" because of the presence of AI is hogwash. "AI is the future." Yeah, sure, if you drank the Kool-Aid, perhaps.
Pushee-Ri
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Thu, Apr 09@Luxe
Well, you sound pretty annoyed and negative. Don't let all that shXt get you down - it's not worth it!
Regarding your top post: well, it’s actually quite refreshing to have someone here who’s always there to point out what you DON’T WANT to do or have, isnt't it
When it comes to NIHILISM, I’m afraid I have to disagree with you. Nihilism isn’t necessarily about a negative, pessimistic attitude, but (at least that’s how it’s meant, even if mainstream idiots only highlight the negative aspects and try to emulate them) a questioning of everything and everyone... plus a positive effect when you find the answers for yourself.
Have a great day
Well, you sound pretty annoyed and negative. Don't let all that shXt get you down - it's not worth it!
Regarding your top post: well, it’s actually quite refreshing to have someone here who’s always there to point out what you DON’T WANT to do or have, isnt't it
When it comes to NIHILISM, I’m afraid I have to disagree with you. Nihilism isn’t necessarily about a negative, pessimistic attitude, but (at least that’s how it’s meant, even if mainstream idiots only highlight the negative aspects and try to emulate them) a questioning of everything and everyone... plus a positive effect when you find the answers for yourself.
Have a great day
Luxe Muse
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Thu, Apr 09@Pushe-Ri
I hope this helps. It is more of an analogy, but I am not trying to be philosophical. I am just trying to help you understand how I am connecting the two.
Nihilistic kid: Reads Nietzsche at 2 a.m., realizes the universe does not care, then either starts a band that writes songs about the void (that is not what I meant), or lies in bed for three days feeling the weight of cosmic indifference (the defeated one without hope).
Mindless kid: Same age (whatever that may be), has not read anything deeper than TikTok comments, scrolls endlessly until 4 a.m., eats cold pizza, and wonders why they feel empty but never connects it to anything bigger than "I need more likes."
One is a conscious philosophical stance. The other is the default setting most humans run on until something forces them to wake up.
But this is diluting the fact that if anyone is not interested in 3D and thinks AI is for them, what is the point of coming to a primarily 3D forum to tell artists (and in no way am I excluding the customers of this site from my definition of artists; if anything, they are greater than those of us who make things and have no time for that final, beautiful piece of art) that all their efforts and struggles do not matter and they should simply give up and use AI.
I hope this helps. It is more of an analogy, but I am not trying to be philosophical. I am just trying to help you understand how I am connecting the two.
Nihilistic kid: Reads Nietzsche at 2 a.m., realizes the universe does not care, then either starts a band that writes songs about the void (that is not what I meant), or lies in bed for three days feeling the weight of cosmic indifference (the defeated one without hope).
Mindless kid: Same age (whatever that may be), has not read anything deeper than TikTok comments, scrolls endlessly until 4 a.m., eats cold pizza, and wonders why they feel empty but never connects it to anything bigger than "I need more likes."
One is a conscious philosophical stance. The other is the default setting most humans run on until something forces them to wake up.
But this is diluting the fact that if anyone is not interested in 3D and thinks AI is for them, what is the point of coming to a primarily 3D forum to tell artists (and in no way am I excluding the customers of this site from my definition of artists; if anything, they are greater than those of us who make things and have no time for that final, beautiful piece of art) that all their efforts and struggles do not matter and they should simply give up and use AI.
Pushee-Ri
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Thu, Apr 09@Luxe
" But this is diluting the fact that if anyone is not interested in 3D and thinks AI is for them, what is the point of coming to a primarily 3D forum ... "
2 ways to deal with this:
a) Question the guys, get annoyed, feed the troll, etc. – and the world goes dark
b) recognize the absurdity of such posts, the absurdity of trying to pass off machine-generated trash as one’s own creativity. Realize that there’s nothing—nada, nihil—behind it all… and laugh: the world becomes colorful
" But this is diluting the fact that if anyone is not interested in 3D and thinks AI is for them, what is the point of coming to a primarily 3D forum ... "
2 ways to deal with this:
a) Question the guys, get annoyed, feed the troll, etc. – and the world goes dark
b) recognize the absurdity of such posts, the absurdity of trying to pass off machine-generated trash as one’s own creativity. Realize that there’s nothing—nada, nihil—behind it all… and laugh: the world becomes colorful
Pushee-Ri
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Thu, Apr 09Hahaha ... and here comes a pretty cheeky nihilist character - straight out the Pushee-Nihilistic-verse:
https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/90715/cos-mae-freebie-info
https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/90715/cos-mae-freebie-info
I'm just going to be blunt and str8 to the point: F AI!!!!!
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gohanf22
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Thu, Apr 09F = F'ck. F'ck AI!
It is EVIL, and removes our way of FREE WILL as Humans...
It is EVIL, and removes our way of FREE WILL as Humans...
Why is 25 the block cap? I managed to SELECT spammers of non-Daz content in Daz content, or fluff "products" I (or probably no one) will never buy, or dildo maker number 599 and hitted the cap so fast.
But Dildo-maker 600 is still there alongside the "nude reference poses of warriors with open genitalias 3000" and other AI slops pretending to be products.
Please raise this cap if it is possible.
Also: https://www.renderhub.com/rkstudio/rks-cassie-for-genesis-9 girl, we know 7 of those 9 pictures used AI because the one not using it is so crusty, poor Penny.
But Dildo-maker 600 is still there alongside the "nude reference poses of warriors with open genitalias 3000" and other AI slops pretending to be products.
Please raise this cap if it is possible.
Also: https://www.renderhub.com/rkstudio/rks-cassie-for-genesis-9 girl, we know 7 of those 9 pictures used AI because the one not using it is so crusty, poor Penny.
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evarest
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Fri, Apr 10I have mature filters disabled because you can find interesting products like Geografts or characters using the NSFW.
The problem with blocking cap is not blocking sexual content, it's blocking spammer vendors not respecting the filters or simply selling 25 "products" a day flooding the marketplace.
The problem with blocking cap is not blocking sexual content, it's blocking spammer vendors not respecting the filters or simply selling 25 "products" a day flooding the marketplace.
Tarim
Karma: 690
Thu, Apr 16I agree.
25 cases is far too few.
If removing the limit is impossible, I would like the maximum to be raised a bit more.
25 cases is far too few.
If removing the limit is impossible, I would like the maximum to be raised a bit more.
Bobb
Karma: 1,294
Fri, Apr 17They need to change the policy and punish those who spam the marketplace, or kick them out. I'm incensed by the seller who almost everyday, posts yet another bunch of stacks of paper money that represents a different currency. The 3D mesh is exactly the same, it's just a different texture each time.
Luxe Muse
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Sat, Apr 18I'd say, if vendors want to showcase their product being used in an AI environment, perhaps a link to a gallery stating the intent should be enough, but no promo images or videos using AI whatsoever. This is misleading. Customers will not always see the AI watermark or logo, and even if they do, there is no mention of what was enhanced.
Was it the lighting? Oh, but the HD morph makes her face so realistic, when there is none. And so on.
No one likes that picture of a burger that looks delicious, yet at the restaurant it seems the cow lived before the black plague.
Was it the lighting? Oh, but the HD morph makes her face so realistic, when there is none. And so on.
No one likes that picture of a burger that looks delicious, yet at the restaurant it seems the cow lived before the black plague.
Pushee-Ri
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Sun, Apr 19@Luxe
'No one likes that picture of a burger that looks delicious, .... '
Haha - that's what I like to call the 'Burger' effect: mouthwatering photos that promise an explosion of flavor ... and when you open the bag you get something that looks like something that dropped from the rear end of a cow
'No one likes that picture of a burger that looks delicious, .... '
Haha - that's what I like to call the 'Burger' effect: mouthwatering photos that promise an explosion of flavor ... and when you open the bag you get something that looks like something that dropped from the rear end of a cow
wikoy81
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Sun, Apr 19A long time ago there was a slogan:
Advertising treats you like idiots, advertising makes you an idiot
Advertising treats you like idiots, advertising makes you an idiot
Pushee-Ri
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Sun, Apr 19@wikoy81
Bull's-eye! That saying is just as relevant today (or maybe even more so) than it was back then. Here's another one to go:
A single image can spread more lies than 1,000 words ever could
Bull's-eye! That saying is just as relevant today (or maybe even more so) than it was back then. Here's another one to go:
A single image can spread more lies than 1,000 words ever could
Masterstroke
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Sun, Apr 19@ evarest:
Thank you, for saving me money.
I was thrilled and actually going to buy this.
Man, that would have enraged me.
Thank you, for saving me money.
I was thrilled and actually going to buy this.
Man, that would have enraged me.