Daz vendors using AI to enhance images of characters for sale (CLOSED)

There needs to be a hard and fast rule banning vendors from using AI to enhance the images of Daz characters they are trying to sell in the market place.
There is one that showed up today (April 5th) that is clearly fraudulent, especially given the vendors history of work previous to AI being used to enhance their work.
This practice is completely dishonest and needs to be stopped before it spreads.

I agree, that's really strange. Today I came across this: https://www.renderhub.com/adelia774/willamina-aruna-for-genesis-8-female  It even says "AI Was Used In Promo Images", but what's the point of that? 

Yes, it's a real problem when sellers use AI in their product promotional images because ultimately, buyers get a distorted view of what they're buying.
They can always request a refund, but the risk is a loss of trust, especially if they don't get it.

I don't mind if they use a couple of promo images touched up with AI but it should be required to have the main promo image and the base of the rest to be regular iray renders.

That's what I've been saying. Just because you openly disclose your AI usage doesn't mean we can see what the actual product looks like.

It's especially shitty when ads show expressions that don't come from a morph you can use. Not helpful for a director evaluating what may or may not be useful.

Congratulations to the one who wants to take one for the team and show what it looks like without AI touchups, but yeah, give me something that shows what I'll be working with.

Per our AI Content Policy:

The use of AI in promo images or videos on marketplace items is allowed, as long as they accurately represent the product and are accompanied by non-AI promo images.



https://www.renderhub.com/info/ai-content-policy

If you find that a vendor is violating this policy, please click the report button on the product. That will flag it for review, and appropriate action will be taken. 

UPDATE: This was discussed at today's team meeting. 

We plan to make a change to the product submission process. 

If a vendor uses AI in their promo images, they will be required to indicate *which images* were AI-enhanced. 
This indication will also appear *per image* on the product page, instead of the general notice that is there now. 
Additionally, vendors will not be allowed to use AI on the main thumbnail image or primary promo image. 

Per the owner, this is a priority update - so hopefully, we'll see this new functionality soon. 

Thank you all for your valuable feedback. 

i put ai enhanced promos at the exact same level as poorly lit dark promos. the seller is hiding something.  not going to buy.

I remember the time when a lot of promos were enhanced by post-work. Some looked like a painting. Yet, somehow you could get a vague sense of what you are buying, but with AI it's literally not the case. I took a look at the links you provided and yes. I'd not buy. 

Imho any postwork on product images, regardless wether they are done by an AI or HI, can be a problem if they imply that the original product yields such results without.
AI just makes it way more easy to go that way. 

A "per image" disclaimer would be much appreciated.

Well, the truth is you all know me, and some have strongly criticized me for uploading Daz3D + AI renders to my gallery... but I never did any promotion with AI. That's what I said in the other separate thread I've had since the end of 2019. So I'm not a newcomer and I've always been very honest, even if it hurts me. And because of personal issues and sometimes because of comments about my renders that openly claimed they were enhanced by AI, I haven't been making anything to sell for months, except for some freebies or uploading old freebies that I hadn't uploaded yet, which were from the Renderosity era, like the case of Ainara G8.I still maintain that AI is a good tool, and as such, it's important to know how to use it to avoid overusing it. In my case, for blending faces (of my characters in Face Fusion), I have many more than I've released...

There are images that, although based on my characters and Daz renders, I don't upload to the gallery because I left more room for the AI to do its own thing. I don't think to upload those images, except for the last portrait I uploaded of Raphel G8. But I'm sure that if I didn't mention it was enhanced with AI, it would get more likes, etc.

UPDATE: The new functionality has been implemented.

1. If a vendor uses AI in their promo images, they must now specifically indicate which images were AI-enhanced.
2. On product pages, there is now a clear "AI" label on each AI-enhanced promo image and corresponding thumbnail. 
3. The use of AI in product videos must also be disclosed and is labeled similarly. 
4. There is a new report button option on product pages: "AI Use Not Disclosed".

Hopefully, this clarity helps customers with their buying decision. 

Thank you all for your valuable feedback. We welcome your additional comments. 

Thank you so much for the changes, the storefront looks healthier now.

These 2 are still up, clearly marked as AI on the main promo images:

https://www.renderhub.com/sagittarius-a/riteforge-ritual-props-for-daz-studio
https://www.renderhub.com/sagittarius-a/ritual-poses-for-genesis-8-and-8-1

who is the target demographic for this type of Advertising??

Even as an AI user, I do not understand the "logic" in trying to lure a person into buying your Daz product with AI images that are NOT possible with Daz Iray or your Daz Product.

Anti-AI customers will likely boycott your products out of spite even with 'Full disclosures about AI promo renders.

And people who are open to AI usage will only be reminded that they literally no longer need to buy any actual 3D models in 2026.
only ACCESS to systems & services that simulate 3D/2D rendering & animation. 

At this point, I am convinced that anyone who claims 3D is dead and that there is no need for it because of AI, while spreading propaganda on a 3D forum, is simply a troll.

When trolling is paired with piracy, it is no wonder our sales are down.

I'm just going to be blunt and str8 to the point: F AI!!!!!

Why is 25 the block cap? I managed to SELECT spammers of non-Daz content in Daz content, or fluff "products" I (or probably no one) will never buy, or dildo maker number 599 and hitted the cap so fast. 

But Dildo-maker 600 is still there alongside the "nude reference poses of warriors with open genitalias 3000" and other AI slops pretending to be products. 

Please raise this cap if it is possible.

Also: https://www.renderhub.com/rkstudio/rks-cassie-for-genesis-9 girl, we know 7 of those 9 pictures used AI because the one not using it is so crusty, poor Penny.

This shouldn't even be an issue, if everyone was honest about such things. If everyone had something called integrity. AI should never be used to promote something modeled by a human for sale. And it shouldn't be allowed.

While having clear labels on such promotional images is a good step forward, again this shouldn't be an issue in the first place. But somehow yay unfettered capitalism, I guess?

And before anyone finally decides to call me a hypocrite, while yes I have been messing around with AI image generation since my beta invite to use DALL-E, I have made a clear delineation between the slot-machine and the hard work I have done for my original creations. Something that even social media sites can't seem to delineate. Some of the algorithms are flagging my work as being "AI Assisted". I'm so tired of this AI nonsense. RenderHub took a hard stand and backed human artists, then went wishy-washy. I'll never forget that. Now it is having to deal with labeling promo images and actively policing its own contests.

And life is funny sometimes. I'm a slot technician now. I actually work on slot machines. For years I have called AI image generation a slot machine. Casinos call it "gaming", but sitting in front of a screen and pressing a button until the machine hits a jackpot is not gaming. And that is what AI image generation is. Type a few phrases into a prompt, and hit a render button until you get something cool. It doesn't stop us from actually creating, much like slot machines don't stop gamers from playing real games. But in both cases, the people who take the easy route now have grossly inflated egos. That's pretty much what unregulated capitalism does.

"I told ya so"

I keep harping on this point.   AI removes the fun of creating, of 'playing with dolls', something that drew us into this in the first place.
How often do you load a scene either inside or outside, add some props then load a character and start dressing it.  This becomes a fun filled (and challenging) evening as you fiddle with the clothes, poses, props, expressions and lighting.  All the while, the back story keeps unfolding in your head and usually evolves, forcing you to make changes in your scene.  Whether or not you eventually set it to render is secondary to the enjoyment you got out of the process.  I feel sorry for people who have leaped into AI and completely missed out on the creative process. 

What AI CAN do for us in 3D is eliminate that gawd awful dFarce garbage and give us a draping tool that works properly in almost real time.  It could also replace the power-sucking render engines like Iray and give us something that provides 90%(?) of the realism while only using 10% of the computer/GPU power that Iray demands.

It seems that renderhub's choice to embrace artificial intelligence is starting to cause problems for sellers too. Come on, guys, smile... the future is here... there's no point in setting rules, they won't be respected like in the gallery and contests...

@stevenjoseph8844

This whole "The future is AI" nonsense is where you lot become unbearable. Seriously, you sound like a brainwashed cult. It's bad enough I have to suffer through a bunch of lazy, talentless, redundant hacks trying to use this slop to sell merch, whether here or on other social media platforms. Make matters worse, I'm now seeing desperate serpent-like politicians spam us with fake people reading from fake scripts. I will never "accept" this garbage, and neither should anyone with a normal functioning brain. 

In RenderHub's official ai promo policy, the phrase "accurately represent the product" is so laughable, that it stopped me from getting triggered and caused me to remember that this is the same company that said, No ai. Ever, then swerved. Consider the source. Carry on.

Hi everyone, I don't frequent the forums much, but it seems there's a recurring issue. Even though I know the bosses changed the rules for promotions and the AI, perhaps they'll have to be stricter about this.

I just picked up this character yesterday,  ( https://www.renderhub.com/triyanti/candriya-for-genesis-8-female ).  What attracted me where her emotions.  That heart melting smile and the pouty smirk made me laugh and of course, she was an instant buy.  No AI was used in the previews and when I installed and loaded her, she looked just like the previews.  Talented creators don't need AI to sell their work.

@Everybody  (et al?).
Thanks for the article.  I like what it said and I'll keep throwing a few bucks at them every year. 
Further to my experiments, there's something new that's along the same line, it's called "gausian splatting".  I've been reading a lot on it and it makes sense.  It's really just another way to build the mesh.  Instead of trying to align thousands or millions of identified points in hundreds of images all at once, it starts with overall 'sloppy' areas called splats.  These are progressively refined and will keep getting clearer and more detailed until you tell it to stop.    I can see AI making big inroads in the process.  It would (could?) be a much more efficient process of looking for and aligning all them damn fussing little points.  
I keep harping on the need to use AI in a limited task in Studio.  Please Daz, dump dFarce and give us an AI tool for draping.  I keep hoping that someone makes a plugin for Studio that does that.
Along those lines, remember that the bulk of the 3D world doesn't consider us Studio/Poser users to be real artists.  I'm sure they dump us in the same category as folks making AI images and trying to sell them on DeviantArt.

" Please Daz, dump dFarce and give us an AI tool for draping. I keep hoping that someone makes a plugin for Studio that does that."

Please DAZ keep dforce unless this suggested AI tool:-
Users exactly the shape of initial  cloth that I provide as a mesh, before draping it
Maintains its topology so that morphs work
Maintains its UV mapping so that I can swap textures.

Anything else is going backwards.

Those are just the basics, it also needs to support rigidity and followers, such as buttons.. In other words it needs to do what dforce already does, before it enhances that with better draping.

They aren't even trying anymore. Hell, you can tell the image is AI because they cut and paste the prompt they use for the AI generator.
Example: 
https://www.renderhub.com/lahtriart/amma-genesis-8

some vendors AI slop stays up even though it's been reported multiple times. 
Case in point:
https://www.renderhub.com/sap3d/cahyu-for-genesis-8-female

At least there's the user's section, though that requires someone taking one for the team.

The AI reporting process seems to be working. I see most of the reported products in this very thread are dead links now. As are many others that I have reported myself. So we are having an impact with our reports. We just need to keep doing it. 

Coming Soon Hanaka for G9.
Hi all Im making character morphs, no AI no Slop only talent please buy will be available soon ty ty
She is Hanaka for Genesis 8 9 and 10 too, coming soon. Hair shader is new unreleased and dress is Lilflame Casual Nurse for Genesis 8 Female. Earrings are Fabiana's.

https://www.renderhub.com/vei/jinayu-for-genesis-8-female

This should be marked/tagged as well.

To Whoever that angry guy was, comment retracted. The posts by Nidah that were up for over a week after being reported are finally gone.