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BelmonttyWed, Apr 10, 2024
the same old story,  lol, XDit is still not clear to them that they win by lottery, not the best ones.Yes you have to participate, but it's not w
maru_berlinSat, Apr 06, 2024
Hmmmm... seems I have missed part of the fun. *chuckles* Indeed, after any contest one can debate on the outcome. The way I see it is that there at le
bonjSat, Apr 06, 2024
So many hours for such little return, after 4 events . I will just make models from now. no more heavy renders that take 24hr and cain my pc. I a
perfumerSat, Apr 06, 2024
I have bad news for you, with every such contest, good artists leave here. Soon you will be left with newcomers who have been undeservedly promoted an
perfumerSat, Apr 06, 2024
I think it's worth writing, provided that the works will be evaluated by the judges and they will choose the winners according to their taste. Just lo
AlfRaMusicSat, Apr 06, 2024
Exactly! I looked at pictures like the winners after a few seconds, usually shorter, and saw everything! Pictures with a lot of details, you sometimes
perfumerSat, Apr 06, 2024
s7s maybe you didn't understand what I wanted to say. But listen, why should the rules specify creativity, originality and complexity of the work, if
AlfRaMusicSat, Apr 06, 2024
I didn't say that photorealism should be the ultimate goal and only these images should win! I assessed the situation on my own and decided not to tak
s7sSat, Apr 06, 2024
If I may, I think you are both partly right but mostly wrong. I don't want to offend neither defend anyone, but photo-realism is not the norm in art n
perfumerSat, Apr 06, 2024
You are absolutely right! I noticed that no one needs really realistic and high-quality work here.Just compare the last 3 contests and you'll see whic
Foxy 3DFri, Jan 19, 2024
Admin: 59,675
Welcome to the RenderHub Lore of The Dragon Render Contest

In the world of fantasy, the dragon reigns as the king of monsters. 
This Lunar New Year is The Year of the Dragon, so this contest honors these mystical and majestic creatures

Official Rules for the contest can be found here:
https://www.renderhub.com/3d-contests/lore-of-the-dragon-render-contest 

Submit your entries here:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/lore-of-the-dragon-render-contest 

If you have any questions about the contest, feel free to ask them here in this thread.
squirrelySun, Jan 21, 2024
Karma: 139
hi,

i have wondered about this at past contests already because the rules always state "A completely original, " ...

does that mean i have to model the characters, locations, dragon, ... myself ?
or can i use for example daz characters (w clothing/hair/...) and dragons and models (weapons/locations/...) ?
basically what does the original work refer to ? all of it ? or the idea, theme and composition, lighting, render,... ?

thanks
::q
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Sun, Jan 21, 2024
I know that part may seem a bit confusing, but it's just reiterating the rule above it:
"Originality: Entries must be new original work specifically made for this contest and cannot be significantly based on the art of another artist."

This particular contest is a render contest - not a modeling contest.
It is perfectly acceptable to use existing 3D assets or Daz content in your renders.

Zoobayr
ZoobayrTue, Jan 23, 2024
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Hi!
What are the judging criteria that we should look out for?
AlfRaMusic
Karma: 16,684
Tue, Jan 23, 2024
Criteterias: Submissions will be judged on creativity, originality and technical ability. Judging will also take into consideration the difficulty and complexity of the overall execution of work.
To found here!
https://www.renderhub.com/3d-contests/lore-of-the-dragon-render-contest
TiberiusThu, Jan 25, 2024
Karma: 137
How much is artistic merit going to play a part in the result, such as lighting, composition, etc?
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Fri, Jan 26, 2024
Judges are instructed to take all applicable factors into consideration. Artistic merit should have a high influence on their decision.
ObscuroArcanumTue, Jan 30, 2024
Karma: 242
Hi!
I was wondering if it's frowned upon by the judges for artwork to be unobtrusively watermarked to prevent theft? 
This is my first contest on RenderHub and I don't know what the policy is.

Thanks!
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Tue, Jan 30, 2024
That is not a problem at all. As long as it's not some giant watermark over the entire thing. emote
ObscuroArcanum
Karma: 242
Wed, Jan 31, 2024
Hi Foxy!

Thanks for getting back to me so promptly. No, it isn't a huge watermark, just a small section in the middle of the image. You can check my AS gallery, for examples of the watermark. https://www.artstation.com/obscuroarcanum

I don't think it's distracting, but I have gotten complaints and even had my artwork rejected from group galleries on Deviantart because they wanted it removed.
If you think the watermark in it's current form could be a problem, I can lower the opacity to make it a bit fainter.

Thanks again!
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Wed, Jan 31, 2024
Ah, yes... I've seen plenty of discussions about watermarks like that.

RenderHub does not have any problem with artists protecting their work in any way they choose.
There are also no rules that specifically prohibit a watermark like that for contest entries.

However, since your original question was "wondering if it's frowned upon by the judges'', my opinion is that it might be.
The judges are not explicitly told anything regarding watermarks, but it's impossible to know if they might be biased against ones like that.
ObscuroArcanum
Karma: 242
Thu, Feb 01, 2024
Hi Foxy!

Crazy discussions that seem incapable of understanding why an artist may possibly want to protect their work... especially now AI is running rampant. My favourite has to be "If you don't want your work stolen, then don't post it!"

Thank you for that! It's good to know that RenderHub has no problem with artists protecting their work with watermarks. I understand it's difficult to say if the judges will be against them or not, because ultimately judges have their own individual opinions, but it's still good to know that there are no rules in contests or on the site itself that prohibit watermarks.

I might play it safe and lower the opacity... best of both worlds. Peace of mind that I'm protecting my work, but making it a less visible for the judges to be distracted by it. smile
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Thu, Feb 01, 2024
"...especially now AI is running rampant..."

For what it's worth, RenderHub includes "noai" and "noimageai" robots meta tags on every page of the website, for crawlers that respect that.

But yeah... RenderHub has no problem at all with artists protecting their work with watermarks.
ObscuroArcanum
Karma: 242
Fri, Feb 02, 2024
It's great to know that RenderHub is going to such lengths to protect against AI!

Thank you so much for your time about the watermarks. You've been really helpful! emote
bonjThu, Feb 01, 2024
Karma: 15,160
Hi Foxy,

Quick question, Is this entry too revealing?  I just wanted to check there is enough armor happening or if I should have made the image more family friendly.

https://www.renderhub.com/forum/6200/draven

Thanks
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Thu, Feb 01, 2024
Although it is a good idea to be mindful of "family friendliness", the rules don't have any specific restrictions.
Personally, I don't see a problem with that one at all. Very nice! smile
bonj
Karma: 15,160
Thu, Feb 01, 2024
Awesome, I'm pleased I don't need to re-render it. Thank you
dwindtMon, Feb 05, 2024
Karma: 6,734
Can I post my dragon lore entry in my gallery?
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Mon, Feb 05, 2024
Absolutely. We encourage people to share their work and link to their entries.
Feel free to share it on social media, also. We even have a hashtag for that.
#RenderHubContest
dwindt
Karma: 6,734
Mon, Feb 05, 2024
Thanks Foxy'. I wasn't sure because it stipulated it in the last challenge but not this 1.
I've posted my image but the wireframe shows instead of the final render. How do I change that?
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Mon, Feb 05, 2024
WOW! Cool image. Nice job. smile

The system automatically generates a thumbnail for the contest gallery based on the last image submitted in the thread.
An admin will come by and create a good one manually in cases like yours.

If you don't want to wait for that to happen, feel free to create a 400x400 thumbnail image and post that.
The system will automatically pick it up.
dwindt
Karma: 6,734
Mon, Feb 05, 2024
Thank you Foxy'. You've been extremely helpful. I've just rendered that image on a dying pc. I've got patience...lol.
KenJinksWed, Feb 07, 2024
Karma: 234
Hi, I am new to this. Do artists share their wip in social to get feedback, or would that be bad form in a contest?
-Ken
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Wed, Feb 07, 2024
You sure can, and I've seen other people do that.
It can be a fun way to involve your followers in the process.
KenJinks
Karma: 234
Wed, Feb 07, 2024
Thanks Foxy!
ahsannTue, Feb 13, 2024
Karma: 241
Hello, I posted this viewport image to prove my render was actually mine, is this sufficient or should I post a wireframe over version aswell?

better safe than sorry, thanks.

Forum Image
AlfRaMusic
Karma: 16,684
Tue, Feb 13, 2024
The rules says...

A wireframe image of your submission is also required as proof that your submission is a 3D scene and not AI generated.
Post-work in Photoshop or other software is allowed, but the original render must be done in 3D software.
bonjTue, Feb 13, 2024
Karma: 15,160
There's a lot of awesome renders and still 30 days to go.  



Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Thu, Feb 15, 2024
There sure are! I just posted a promo video here:

https://www.renderhub.com/forum/6348/lore-of-the-dragon-render-contest-new-promo-video

There were so many fantastic images, it was hard to keep the video to under a minute. It could have been an hour long! emote
ThumblesWed, Feb 14, 2024
Karma: 104
The rules stated merely '3D software', not specifically DrazStudio. Does this mean I may use Blender3D or ClipStudio, provided I can provide a wireframe to prove originality?
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Thu, Feb 15, 2024
Absolutely. This is not a Daz-specific contest. You may use any 3D software you want.
Thumbles
Karma: 104
Sun, Feb 18, 2024
Thank you for getting back to me! I'm sorry I couldn't reply until now.
gh0sttttFri, Feb 16, 2024
Karma: 1,486
Hi! I have a question because I have no idea if it is just me or if something happened, but I noticed that my three renders were gone, only the thumbnail I got from Jamie and the title of my entries were showing up, leading me to think I did something wrong until I revisited the contest gallery and noticed that the same thing had happened to the other entries. Again, they're not showing up at all, just the thumbnail they got from Jamie if they did get a thumbnail, and the title of their renders at the top. The question is whether or not something had happened, or if it was just an issue on my end?
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Fri, Feb 16, 2024
Sorry. There is a bug with the forum right now. The contest uses the same code as the forum.

I just got off the phone with the owner about this. It will be fixed ASAP.
Sorry for the inconvenience.
gh0stttt
Karma: 1,486
Fri, Feb 16, 2024
Oh y'all are fine! I'm just confused and chilling, take your time.
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Fri, Feb 16, 2024
It should be fixed now. Sorry for the trouble. If you have any further problems, just let me know.

Thanks for participating in the contest! smile
ahsannSat, Feb 24, 2024
Karma: 241
Hi is there any sort of account setup/verification of age or anything like that I need to do in order to be eligible for judging? Just to make sure its clear I meet the eligibility criteria.

Thanks

Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Mon, Feb 26, 2024
Per the official rules:

"...This contest is open to persons 18 years or older, as of the start date of the contest ... RenderHub reserves the right to verify eligibility qualifications of any winner..."

https://www.renderhub.com/3d-contests/lore-of-the-dragon-render-contest
ahsann
Karma: 241
Tue, Feb 27, 2024
Noted, thank you.
ahsannSat, Mar 02, 2024
Karma: 241
Hello, would i be able to kindly suggest the judges provide some sort of feedback for the top 3 this time? In terms of what they did well/what could improve, just as a way other people who maybe want to improve their artwork for next time can take this into consideration. 

Thank you
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Thu, Mar 07, 2024
It's a good suggestion, but I don't think that's going to happen.
It's already difficult enough for the owner to find judges willing to take the time to simply pick winners.
Asking them to do more than that would just complicate the situation.
LeesungminThu, Mar 07, 2024
Karma: 106
Hello
Do I have to register only one scene?
Can't I register multiple photos with different poses?
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Thu, Mar 07, 2024
Per the official rules:

"...You can enter with more than one submission, but you can only win once per contest..."

https://www.renderhub.com/3d-contests/lore-of-the-dragon-render-contest
ObscuroArcanumThu, Mar 14, 2024
Karma: 242
Hi there!
I'm having problems submitting my entries for the contest. I type in my message body, load in my images and hit Submit but it just hangs on "Submitting..." and doesn't do anything. I've tried reducing the quality of my JPG files, I've tried PNG files, I've tried splitting the images and only loading one image in the opening post, but it's not working. I've also tried using Edge and clearing my Firefox cache... no luck.

Thanks.
ObscuroArcanum
Karma: 242
Thu, Mar 14, 2024
Well, that was a nerve wracking couple of hours!
Persistence seems to have paid off and I managed to get my submissions posted. Apparently, the trick is not having any spaces in the filenames
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Thu, Mar 14, 2024
I'm not sure if spaces were causing that problem. I just tried it with spaces in the filename and it worked for me.
There is an open bug report for apostrophes causing a problem, though.
I can confirm that apostrophes in the filename do not work right now.

I apologize for the inconvenience, but I'm glad to hear that you got it figured out.
Good luck in the contest, and thanks for participating!
ObscuroArcanum
Karma: 242
Fri, Mar 15, 2024
Ah, I didn't know about the open bug report that apostrophes are causing an issue. I had those in my filenames as well before I stripped them out, along with the spaces. It was probably those, since you were able to get a file with spaces to work just fine.

Thanks! I was really excited when I first saw this contest and I've been working hard on it until the last minute. It was why last night's "Oh no!!!" was rather nerve wracking. It would have really sucked to meet the deadline, only to stumble at the last hurdle with submitting them!
It's all good though!
renatodalleMon, Mar 18, 2024
Karma: 7,787
Lindo e maravilhoso, so gostaria de saber se tem tanto empenho na divulgao onde todos prrocuram um conhecimento, prque no tem nenhuma valorizao no resultado onde  o objetivo final de todos os participantes? Como podemos melhorar se nem sabemos o que  qualificado?
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Mon, Mar 18, 2024
Sorry, I'm not sure if your message translated into English very well. I used Google Translate and DeepL.
Are you asking what @ahsann did above?

-----

Desculpe, no tenho certeza se sua mensagem foi traduzida muito bem para o ingls. Usei o Google Tradutor e o DeepL.
Voc est perguntando o que @ahsann fez acima?
renatodalleMon, Mar 18, 2024
Karma: 7,787
foxy 3D. I would like to see the contest results panel.
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Mon, Mar 18, 2024
Judging is currently in progress. On March 29th, the results will be posted here:
https://www.renderhub.com/3d-contests/lore-of-the-dragon-render-contest
Tark_ArkTue, Mar 19, 2024
Karma: 13,606
Hello! Am I the only one who lost images when viewing the posts of the competition participants? Or did something happen to the site?
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Tue, Mar 19, 2024
The coders were working on some anti-spam security stuff, so you may have noticed odd things happening.
As far as I know, it should be back to normal now - and it looks like your images are visible again.
Just let us know if you see anything else out of the ordinary. Sorry for causing alarm.
Tark_Ark
Karma: 13,606
Tue, Mar 19, 2024
I'm understood, thank you.
iclouiphoneSat, Mar 30, 2024
Karma: 132
foxy.today is 30..and the Render Contest results shoud be 29 ..what happen 

Draskovids
Karma: 106
Sat, Mar 30, 2024
Yeah. I was wondering about that too. smile
AlfRaMusic
Karma: 16,684
Sat, Mar 30, 2024
The announcement is delayed, for every competition!! So, just be patient!
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Sun, Mar 31, 2024
I talked to the owner. He said the winners will be posted soon.
There were a lot of awesome entries, so I'm looking forward to the announcement, too!
gh0sttttSat, Mar 30, 2024
Karma: 1,486
While we wait for the announced winners, I would like to share a fun fact with the people;

The swimming pool on the sunken Titanic is still filled with water.
sedesdis
Karma: 4,681
Sat, Mar 30, 2024
emote lol
sedesdis
Karma: 4,681
Sat, Mar 30, 2024
I thought the liner had a hole, they had to fix it
gh0stttt
Karma: 1,486
Sat, Mar 30, 2024
Always something wrong with that liner
gh0stttt
Karma: 1,486
Sat, Mar 30, 2024
Lol
ahsann
Karma: 241
Sun, Mar 31, 2024
Pretty sure some bored billionaire wanted to recreate a 1:1 version of the ship recently
gh0stttt
Karma: 1,486
Sun, Mar 31, 2024
Yep, Clive Palmer is the guy that wanted to build the "Titanic II," with roman numerals to let you know it's a true sequel. "Surprisingly," his idea was not entertained, but he did relaunch the plan 2 weeks ago.
His issue was that he would rather do this nonsense than to just be a home to count his money like most rich folk do.
ahsann
Karma: 241
Mon, Apr 01, 2024
Lmao ikr
renatodalleMon, Apr 01, 2024
Karma: 7,787
Where can I see the winners of the RenderHub Lore of The Dragon Render contest?
AlfRaMusic
Karma: 16,684
Mon, Apr 01, 2024
When the winners have been announced, you can find them here!
https://www.renderhub.com/3d-contests/lore-of-the-dragon-render-contest
BigBen
Karma: 1,971
Tue, Apr 02, 2024
I clicked on the thread, I but I could not find where they have been announced.
giant dwarf
Karma: 5,775
Tue, Apr 02, 2024
no announcement has been done it.
renatodalleTue, Apr 02, 2024
Karma: 7,787
I think that one of the most important things for us is knowing about the winners, trying to learn from them and improve. When I see this disregard, I have doubts about the integrity of the event, giving me reason to be suspicious. this is the truth
gh0stttt
Karma: 1,486
Wed, Apr 03, 2024
That, I completely agree with. As someone who's still pretty awful at 3D art (If I'm being honest here), I'm always looking to expand my knowledge, and that's what makes the winners so important, is the example their artistry displays for those who are either new to the 3D world, getting adjusted, or even those who are already experts in the industry, if that makes sense.
chaoskhan_666
Karma: 1,939
Wed, Apr 03, 2024
Relax mates. This isn't the first time the results are delayed. Also, I don't think a piece of work must have a "winner" tag for us to learn from it. Every piece has lessons for us. We can learn what we like about it, we can learn from the mistakes that we think the artist could have done better. So going through the submissions is rewarding on its own, the prize is a bonus. I have won a consolation before and did receive the prize and I acknowledged those who won the main prizes were far better works than mine, so I don't think there is any integrity issue involved. So let just wait a while more.
AlfRaMusic
Karma: 16,684
Wed, Apr 03, 2024
Exactly @chaoskhan_666 , the pictures are all already there! And what use is it to me to know who won if I don't like the style at all and I can't use this picture as a template! I always want to show my own style and not that of other artists, even if that means my chances of winning are lower!
dwindtWed, Apr 03, 2024
Karma: 6,734
Imagine choosing a winner out of all those entries. There are so many amazing renders plus its just been Easter weekend..

The Good book says that if you participate, you are a winner already..so congratulations everybody. 
sedesdisWed, Apr 03, 2024
Karma: 4,681
Would it be possible to announce when the results will be available? just out of curiosity
Thank you
gh0stttt
Karma: 1,486
Wed, Apr 03, 2024
From what I can understand (I'm just a person with an account), saying for sure when is hard to say. There's only a few judges going through what appears to be 356 entries(? I know my creative juices account for 6 of them) In order to determine 3 winners and 8 honorable mentions. 11 out of 356. Yeah, there is a pre determined "Announce Date", which was 3/29, but it can take a bit. I'm just happy to wait, knowing there's real people going through the entries, not AI. You know, The entity that thinks human beings have between 3-10 frackin' fingers. Or that Will Smith gobbles on spaghetti like a club sandwich through the jaw, but not the mouth.
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Wed, Apr 03, 2024
I have talked to the owner. He said the winners will be announced soon. Sorry, but that's all I know.

All I can do is apologize for the delay. I'm excited to see the winners, too!

renatodalle
Karma: 7,787
Wed, Apr 03, 2024
If possible, please show us a page of the results and some items taken into consideration by the judges. With 30 years dedicated to the 3D world, I would like to see what classification the judges determined, they must have more knowledge and experience than me and I want to learn. thanks.
gh0stttt
Karma: 1,486
Wed, Apr 03, 2024
They literally just said that "soon" is all they know. They don't know about the results,
Nor does a page of results even exist because results have not been determined yet.
Give it time.
s7sThu, Apr 04, 2024
Karma: 304
Well, if the announcement doesn't come "soon", on Monday, our collective dragons will eat up the Sun and we'll all be left in the Dark.  Kind of sad, if you think about it... Should we pray?! emote
sedesdisThu, Apr 04, 2024
Karma: 4,681
I wouldn't be so excited about who won. Everyone has probably seen the promo video so it becomes clear.
dwindt
Karma: 6,734
Thu, Apr 04, 2024
I haven't. Where? Nah, I'll wait for the results. Well done the sponsors. Thank you. Thank you Render hub! Pity my pc is crying otherwise I would enter the light challenge. Next quarter. I laid out my scene (just the scene....no people) and my pc is crying. Oh for more power. Good hope everybody!!!!
beachlegs
Karma: 9,931
Thu, Apr 04, 2024
Not at all the video is to show some of the entries and to get more people to enter, Everyone who has entered has a fair chance of winning I wish everyone good luck.
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,675
Thu, Apr 04, 2024
That was just a video to promote the contest, like @beachlegs said.
I did make the video, but I don't judge the contests - so there will be no bias there.
Foxy 3DThu, Apr 04, 2024
Admin: 59,675
Just an update for everyone...

I talked to the owner again, and it sounds like everything is close to being finalized. 
So the winners should be announced "very soon" now. Sorry, again, for the delay. 
gh0stttt
Karma: 1,486
Thu, Apr 04, 2024
Take your time, Renderhub folk.
Thank y'all for the update.
millerblaineFri, Apr 05, 2024
Karma: 4,053
Mom, are we there yet, are we there yet, are we there yet?  When are we gonna be there? Are we there yet?

Well get there when we get there. None of the whining is going to expedite the process. It only serves to antagonize. 

Once the results are finalized,  there will be more b!tching and moaning and complaining over who did and who did not win. There will be lengthy diatribes about merit and time spent. Even though there is not necessarily a correlation between effort and the final result. Many will swear off the future contests and vow that they are moving to Canada. Why would Canada want a bunch of crybabies?!  Marinate in that notion for a moment. Itll give ya something to do as you wait.  Yeesh. 
Foxy 3DFri, Apr 05, 2024
Admin: 59,675
The contest winners have been announced right here. 

Congratulations to everyone, and thank you to all who participated. 
Winners will be contacted soon for the distribution of prizes. 

giant dwarfFri, Apr 05, 2024
Karma: 5,775
Congratulations to all the winners of the first and second and third place and to all the honorable mention too not forgetting the real winners here (all the participants), all what I want to say is that I am so happy to see winners using deferent software other then the usual ones and achieving a great results too, so I hope to see you all participating in the next contest and good look to you all.
DClawSat, Apr 06, 2024
Karma: 1,315
Congrats to all the winners and honorable mentions. 

A note to the RenderHub owner/staff:

I wish I knew what the actual criteria for selecting winners was, as I have for several of these contests...including the one I received an honorable mention for.  

I wish someone would identify the characteristics, qualities, or attributes the winning images demonstrated that were valued so highly by the judges that they were declared to be better than all the rest.

I wish there was a published rubric so that artists could see, in advance, how the entries would be judged, and then be given a scorecard (or something like one) so that artists would know how their work was evaluated, areas where they might improve...artistry or technical skills or whatever.

Maybe if these things existed, or I saw any movement by RenderHub in a direction of more transparent adjudication that was actually helpful to all the artists submitting entries, I'd hang out for a little longer, but as it is, I think I'm out....of RenderHub altogether.  Not what I'd hoped it might be...not for me, at least.

Peace, y'all.
AlfRaMusic
Karma: 16,684
Sat, Apr 06, 2024
To me it looks like you have a lot of chances, if you create fairytale-like pictures with more realistic scenes, you have no chance! But since I rely on realism, including in fantasy and science fiction, I have decided not to take part anymore and am not investing any more time in a hopeless cause!
perfumer
Karma: 343
Sat, Apr 06, 2024
You are absolutely right! I noticed that no one needs really realistic and high-quality work here.Just compare the last 3 contests and you'll see which crappy works took the top places. This is very sad, because newcomers do not develop their skills by receiving undeserved awards, and the best artists simply leave here. I was sure that this contest would end this way, and I don't understand why they took so long, their choice looks like an accident. I don't want to offend the winner, but his place is in the honorable mentions and not in the first! I'm sure many people thought the same way.
s7s
Karma: 304
Sat, Apr 06, 2024
If I may, I think you are both partly right but mostly wrong. I don't want to offend neither defend anyone, but photo-realism is not the norm in art nowadays.
If you come to think about it, one of the virtues of art is the ability to transmit an emotion with which the audience is able to resonate. The fact that some like or prefer realism instead of a more stylistic approach does not make their art better or worse. It is the message and/or the idea that counts , granted, presented with a certain amount of skill and originality. Many make this mistake, confusing skill with value.
I too like photo-realism but I try as much as I can to also tell a compelling story with my renders.
For example, I find renders depicting half naked women with a sword just for the sake of it empty and worthless of any attention even if they are accurate depictions down to the pore level. But again, that is just me or maybe others too.
However, if I am to quote the "Judging Criteria" stating that "Submissions will be judged on creativity, originality and technical ability. Judging will also take into consideration the difficulty and complexity of the overall execution of work" this may be indeed a matter that can be debated extensively and that can be ultimately considered misleading for some.
Yet again, we do not make the rules or the judgement in these cases, we can merely state our opinion witch begs the question which opinion prevails. And the answer is quite simple. In this game, the opinion of the ruler prevails and is final.
So get used with this idea. Being a winner is not solely based on merit alone ,which like all things, is relative.
AlfRaMusic
Karma: 16,684
Sat, Apr 06, 2024
I didn't say that photorealism should be the ultimate goal and only these images should win! I assessed the situation on my own and decided not to take part anymore because my observation of the last competitions showed me, what you say, that there is no longer any value placed on realism, but this is my main focus , when creating my pictures! For me it's too boring to render one, maybe two figures and then add some kind of background in Photoshop! I don't use any postwork, just the blank 3d renders that I then send in! I want to make it clear again that I have nothing wrong with the winners and honorary mentions, but even though I like these pictures, I don't like creating pictures like these!
perfumer
Karma: 343
Sat, Apr 06, 2024
s7s maybe you didn't understand what I wanted to say. But listen, why should the rules specify creativity, originality and complexity of the work, if in the end they choose simple pictures that can be made in an couple in minutes, It's easy to create styling because it doesn't require complex shaders and light settings. First of all, for a fair assessment, judges themselves must understand 3d well enough to understand how much time and effort it takes to create each work. Realism always involves a lot of details, high-quality textures and models, and therefore this genre is the most complex, creative and original. How can you give the first place to work with low-poly models? This is suitable for games to increase performance, but for a high-quality picture you need to take high-quality models, this is the base and you need to know it! What was wrong with the guy who created a dragon in a blender from scratch,he created a UV from scratch and texture for it, did a lot of work and made a 100% render with his own hands! He didn't get any place and it's really sad. Who will want to try harder in the future after that?Nobody!
AlfRaMusic
Karma: 16,684
Sat, Apr 06, 2024
Exactly! I looked at pictures like the winners after a few seconds, usually shorter, and saw everything! Pictures with a lot of details, you sometimes have to look at them more often and you still discover things! Just saying that in terms of complexity and creativity!
perfumer
Karma: 343
Sat, Apr 06, 2024
I think it's worth writing, provided that the works will be evaluated by the judges and they will choose the winners according to their taste. Just look at who took first and second place in the Winter Magic competition. and you'll realize that creativity and complexity don't matter here. These guys didn't even wait for the rendering to finish to get the best results, there's a lot of noise and artifacts everywhere. The best work is the one that everyone cannot repeat, what I see here can be repeated by a child of 5 years old
https://www.renderhub.com/3d-contests/winter-fantasy-ii-render-contest
s7sSat, Apr 06, 2024
Karma: 304
Hello everyone. 
I guess congratulations are in order to all the winners and participants of this contest.
After reading all the more or less agreeable comments of people ( even the deleted ones), with various complaints or exacerbated artistic egos or with a genuine desire to learn and improve, I feel compelled, if I may, to be the voice that clarifies what I think these kind of contests are all about as I personally participated and sometimes won some of them here and elsewhere.
First off, please be aware that art in general is a very subjective activity and comes in so many styles and flavors.  Secondly, and probably the most important aspect of all is that Rendehub is a business platform, brokering and hosting digital content creations and NOT an art school , art mentorship or art convention of any kind.
Contests, like the one you and I participated in, are primarily meant to drive and promote attention to the site and to stimulate hobbyists into creating art using the tools and items sold here.  
Everybody knows that practice makes perfect and therefore, by simply engaging in the process of making and rendering a digital creation, REGARDLESS of the tools you use or the skill-set you currently have, is theoretically supposed to have a beneficial effect.  But let me be clear, if you are seeking professional feedback for your creations, I am afraid your expectations are misplaced to say the least. 
Understand that artists with an established reputation and a successful career ARE NOT HERE!!. They are not posting in these galleries.  These galleries work like social media now.  People expect that if they like your stuff, you should like them back. Look around! Only nice and encouraging words, because this is what people like to hear. Almost no constructive criticism let alone GOOD constructive criticism you can trust.  If you want to get that, find yourself a reputable mentor you like, with a solid artistic background and you will probably see progress and you will truly know if your art is any good. This is not achievable by getting views or likes. Want to really get better? STUDY Art basic principles and esthetics, it is a vast domain...
Finally, to conclude, there is one rule in these kind of contests and context, in my humble opinion. If you want to play, play by the rules and play nice or your fellow aspiring artists will marginalize  or even exclude you.  This is NOT a democracy, it is more a diplomacy and you do not make the rules.  And if anyone thinks elsewhere is better, think again...

Thank you all for your time. Hope this was insightful enough.
ahsann
Karma: 241
Sat, Apr 06, 2024
Completely agree, I'm currently studying so this sort of thing is difficult to balance, nonetheless its a good opportunity to learn.
Also if i remember correctly, your entry was absolutely stunning, the one of the slain dragon with the warrior feeling incomplete after his final battle? Just thought it would be nice to hear even if i unfortunately couldn't catch it in the winners.

Thank you.
perfumer
Karma: 343
Sat, Apr 06, 2024
I have bad news for you, with every such contest, good artists leave here. Soon you will be left with newcomers who have been undeservedly promoted and will do the same bad work so you will never learn anything.
jayj77Sat, Apr 06, 2024
Karma: 537
Congratulations to all the winners and mentions. I realize that if I want to succeed and win here I need to be better. For those who feel disheartened for not winning( like me), don't be, don't give up on your passion, cause that's why we are all here, we have passion for this kind of art( at least I think we all do), so keep modeling, texturing, baking, and rendering! I think everybody who entered are winners. Be well and stay safe.
ahsannSat, Apr 06, 2024
Karma: 241
Congrats guys
bonjSat, Apr 06, 2024
Karma: 15,160
So many hours for such little return, after 4 events . I will just make models from now. no more heavy renders that take 24hr and cain my pc. 

I am open for commissions  vehicles  and landscapes. 
maru_berlinSat, Apr 06, 2024
Karma: 49,644
Hmmmm... seems I have missed part of the fun. *chuckles* Indeed, after any contest one can debate on the outcome. The way I see it is that there at least IS a contest held regularly, even with prices worth being called that. 

Would I have chosen the same images to be the top 10? Probably not. Was it fun? You bet. With over 300 entries one can truly call this a competition, too. Do I enter in the hope of winning something? Sure. Do I rate my chances high? Don't think so - got a honorable mention once, and I the subject suits me, I will submit an entry again.

As said above, these competition are held to attract attention, sell items (mind you, nobody was stopped creating from scratch), and if you feel that your personal piece was not considered enough you have two choices: try again or just let it be. 

But please, don't rant on about it, spoiling what here is tried to be done better than on other (in)famous "art sites".

Having been invited to judge a mini-contest (came with winning one) I can tell you, it is a tedious process, and the more judges are involved, the longer it takes. In the end, you get an average of the judges opinions, which at time is even unsatifying for the single judge, and I have seldom seen a contest for 3D Art, whose winners were announced in time.

https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/18122/the-anticipation-is-killing-me

The tighter the subject is defined for the image, the more creativity is curbed imho.

Congrats to all participants, also to the winners, and to those, who didn't score: better luck next time.
BelmonttyWed, Apr 10, 2024
Karma: 9,767
the same old story,  lol, XD
it is still not clear to them that they win by lottery, not the best ones.
Yes you have to participate, but it's not worth the effort, you throw some renders and buy the ticket, that's it =)
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