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Causam3D has a thread about a pretty crazy rule from the Rendo admins:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/6110/why-doesnt-causam3d-provide-uvs
But just in case you think that's the nadir of lunacy, a Rendolunatic is guaranteed to come along and open a manhole cover.
Unbelievable? Then savour this:
I like to work on poses from the breakdance / street dance scene. There, Chucks or Vans are used as a kind of "backyard ballet shoe", e.g. to stand on the tips or sides of the shoes.
Should it be easy - with an appropriate explanation - to publish such projects at Rendo? Nope - because Moron rule 467 says: Feet must be flat on the ground for all poses as soon as the user presses CTRL + D.
This happened with my "inAzione" project (rejected by Rendo for the reason stated). Well .... then I should probably not submit my ballet projects (coming soon) there in the first place.
Lowest point of Rendo madness reached? Nope - it goes even deeper:
My last project was rejected, not because it contained pose mistakes, or because I used the model's hips to rotate, or because I wrote "Rendo sucks!" in the description ...
but because my promos on the left side (as with all my pose promos) don't show people but mannequins (sic!).
Original statement of a Rendomoronic (after a little rant of mine):
"I'm sorry you feel this way. Our research shows that folks don't buy poses shown on mannequins. Buyers want to see the items as they will appear in DS, No one poses maniquins. I'll delete your item. Kind regards"
By all the gods - if that's not complete madness (at least for a platform that wants to make money) - then what is it????
Have you also had such experiences and can you possibly top the madness described?
I would be happy about your answers
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/6110/why-doesnt-causam3d-provide-uvs
But just in case you think that's the nadir of lunacy, a Rendolunatic is guaranteed to come along and open a manhole cover.
Unbelievable? Then savour this:
I like to work on poses from the breakdance / street dance scene. There, Chucks or Vans are used as a kind of "backyard ballet shoe", e.g. to stand on the tips or sides of the shoes.
Should it be easy - with an appropriate explanation - to publish such projects at Rendo? Nope - because Moron rule 467 says: Feet must be flat on the ground for all poses as soon as the user presses CTRL + D.
This happened with my "inAzione" project (rejected by Rendo for the reason stated). Well .... then I should probably not submit my ballet projects (coming soon) there in the first place.
Lowest point of Rendo madness reached? Nope - it goes even deeper:
My last project was rejected, not because it contained pose mistakes, or because I used the model's hips to rotate, or because I wrote "Rendo sucks!" in the description ...
but because my promos on the left side (as with all my pose promos) don't show people but mannequins (sic!).
Original statement of a Rendomoronic (after a little rant of mine):
"I'm sorry you feel this way. Our research shows that folks don't buy poses shown on mannequins. Buyers want to see the items as they will appear in DS, No one poses maniquins. I'll delete your item. Kind regards"
By all the gods - if that's not complete madness (at least for a platform that wants to make money) - then what is it????
Have you also had such experiences and can you possibly top the madness described?
I would be happy about your answers
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Rando is a site I'm no longer interested in. There are fewer and fewer 3D products among the free ones, today it's mostly 2D. I put up images and free products until the day I wanted to sell. My product was rejected, with the only explanation being a link. I realized that my package had a structure that didn't suit them, even though it was the same as that of my free products...
I created an account here and my first package was also rejected, but I was given an explanation and advice. I appreciated this warm welcome, which I haven't found elsewhere.
So why go elsewhere when you've found a site that makes you feel good?
I created an account here and my first package was also rejected, but I was given an explanation and advice. I appreciated this warm welcome, which I haven't found elsewhere.
So why go elsewhere when you've found a site that makes you feel good?
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Pushee-Ri
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Tue, Feb 20, 2024Thanks for the comment. You are 100% right: the communication with the Rendo admin is miserable.
Regarding your last sentence: I personally like to split up my products and offer them on different platforms. Some newcomers may know "their" site ... but not what's around it (at least not until they read some info that might be included in my projects
I also separate my G/PG rated projects (here) from my R rated projects (* elsewhere *) so as not to outrage or bore anyone.
So there are definitely reasons (at least for me) to use several platforms.
Only Rendo is out of the question for me from now on - except maybe the gallery (to annoy people a bit) or the freebies (to advertise better platforms
Regarding your last sentence: I personally like to split up my products and offer them on different platforms. Some newcomers may know "their" site ... but not what's around it (at least not until they read some info that might be included in my projects
I also separate my G/PG rated projects (here) from my R rated projects (* elsewhere *) so as not to outrage or bore anyone.
So there are definitely reasons (at least for me) to use several platforms.
Only Rendo is out of the question for me from now on - except maybe the gallery (to annoy people a bit) or the freebies (to advertise better platforms
Their stupid and exaggerated rules is one of the major reasons why numerous artists and vendors have left Renderosity and moved to other sites. Another reasons were Rendo's massive endorsement for AI-generated images (they have ceased that meanwhile) and the not-so-friendly support. What I also don't like about Rendo is their persistent Poser support. Poser is an extremely outdated software (although there are new versions) and Renderosity is the only place where Poser is still kept on life support, although it's dead for years. Everytime I see one of those Poser renders in their galleries, I feel as if I did just travel back through time and find myself in 2010 again. I may also be associated with my individual taste, but Poser renders always look ugly and antiquated to me.
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guy91600
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Tue, Feb 20, 2024@Ghatanothoa "Poser renders always look ugly and antiquated to me."
It is possible that the Poser rendering engine has evolved little or not at all in a good ten years. But I think that it is above all the artist's style that you may not like. Macopol, who I have been following for years, makes images that tell a story, and for me that is the most important thing.
an example
https://www.renderosity.com/gallery/items/3121191/no-gps
It is possible that the Poser rendering engine has evolved little or not at all in a good ten years. But I think that it is above all the artist's style that you may not like. Macopol, who I have been following for years, makes images that tell a story, and for me that is the most important thing.
an example
https://www.renderosity.com/gallery/items/3121191/no-gps
Pinspotter
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Tue, Feb 20, 2024It's all in how you light the scene. Poser's engine is based on Cycles, which is more than capable. And I'd argue that Cycles is a lot better than Iray.
Pushee-Ri
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Tue, Feb 20, 2024Yeah, that Poser thing ...
You should know that the operator of the site (Bondware, Inc.) bought the rights for Poser and Poser Pro from Smith Micro in 2019.
All clear
Personally, I make no distinction between images made with Poser or DAZ. Both programmes can produce both very good and very bad images. One - for me - very convincing Poser artist on Rendo is OberonRex, for example, who experiments a lot with light and shadow.
You should know that the operator of the site (Bondware, Inc.) bought the rights for Poser and Poser Pro from Smith Micro in 2019.
All clear
Personally, I make no distinction between images made with Poser or DAZ. Both programmes can produce both very good and very bad images. One - for me - very convincing Poser artist on Rendo is OberonRex, for example, who experiments a lot with light and shadow.
Masterstroke
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Fri, Mar 29, 2024Quote:
"And I'd argue that Cycles is a lot better than Iray."
While THAT might be true, Poser renders always look still 90s to me.
Either Superfly is bad or Poser users aren't able to use their software.
"And I'd argue that Cycles is a lot better than Iray."
While THAT might be true, Poser renders always look still 90s to me.
Either Superfly is bad or Poser users aren't able to use their software.
Pinspotter
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Tue, Apr 02, 2024Superfly is fine. The problem is PEBKAC
The few Poser users left have been around for a very long time.
The few Poser users left have been around for a very long time.
The issue with Renderosity's rules is that there is no uniform set. Renderosity's approval process is done by a scattershot of volunteers. That's right, the bulk of Renderosity's staff isn't actually staff.
Now if you ask me, the fewer rules, the better.
Now if you ask me, the fewer rules, the better.
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Pushee-Ri
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Tue, Feb 20, 2024I agree with you 100%: fewer rules paired with good self-administration of the CCs (as here at Renderhub) is the ultimate
And if there are rules, then I personally want to understand them - which is not the case with my two Rendo examples ... because they make no sense from a sales point of view.
And if there are rules, then I personally want to understand them - which is not the case with my two Rendo examples ... because they make no sense from a sales point of view.
Ahhh Renderosity
Current owners of the Vestigial poser software.
Poser started in the late 1990's with their own primitive poser native figures and software called "fractal designs Poser"
Then along came little company called Zygote who specialized in human figures
Zygote begat Daz who provided far better looking figures that the various owners of Poser gladly accepted & became complacent enough to never invest in high quality figures of their own for years.
Have you seen their latest Lafemme2 figure
for poser?
Daz later decided "why rent a figure platform when we can build our own to support our content and advanced new Genesis models".
And to this very Day Poser languishes in near total obscurity on full life support from the sales of Daz genesis content on their own Marketplace over at renderosity.com
Current owners of the Vestigial poser software.
Poser started in the late 1990's with their own primitive poser native figures and software called "fractal designs Poser"
Then along came little company called Zygote who specialized in human figures
Zygote begat Daz who provided far better looking figures that the various owners of Poser gladly accepted & became complacent enough to never invest in high quality figures of their own for years.
Have you seen their latest Lafemme2 figure
for poser?
Daz later decided "why rent a figure platform when we can build our own to support our content and advanced new Genesis models".
And to this very Day Poser languishes in near total obscurity on full life support from the sales of Daz genesis content on their own Marketplace over at renderosity.com
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Ghatanothoa
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Tue, Feb 20, 2024Yes, I have seen Lafemme2 and I find it ridiculous, because it just looks and is pretty much antiquated. It's not even possible to shape or morph a natural-looking teen figure using Lafemme2 as a base, not to mention a child figure.
I was a poser user/animator since poser version 2
I left for Reallusion Iclone & Daz studio 12 years ago.
I now use Blender and Maya
The remaining user base ,over at their Forums, seems nothing more than some bitter nostalgic cult united by their hatred of Daz for moving beyond their dusty kruft ridden software.
It amazes me that Renderosity won't spend a few thousand dollars and hire some pro Character artist over at Artstation.com
to create them some modern high quality Poser native figure bases that content creators can get behind
It does not even have to be on the level of the mighty Daz Genesis figures, but it should at least not look like some throw back to the year 2004.
or at the very least hire competent programmers to upgrade poser to import Genesis Characters the way Reallusion has done since Genesis one.
Honestly this Poser 6 "Jessi" figure from 19 bloody years ago(2005) ,looks better than the new Lafemme 2 model, for Poser 13, IMHO.
I left for Reallusion Iclone & Daz studio 12 years ago.
I now use Blender and Maya
The remaining user base ,over at their Forums, seems nothing more than some bitter nostalgic cult united by their hatred of Daz for moving beyond their dusty kruft ridden software.
It amazes me that Renderosity won't spend a few thousand dollars and hire some pro Character artist over at Artstation.com
to create them some modern high quality Poser native figure bases that content creators can get behind
It does not even have to be on the level of the mighty Daz Genesis figures, but it should at least not look like some throw back to the year 2004.
or at the very least hire competent programmers to upgrade poser to import Genesis Characters the way Reallusion has done since Genesis one.
Honestly this Poser 6 "Jessi" figure from 19 bloody years ago(2005) ,looks better than the new Lafemme 2 model, for Poser 13, IMHO.
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Pushee-Ri
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Tue, Feb 20, 2024Thank you for your comments ... but I didn't really want to start a discussion here about DAZ vs Poser.
As I said, I've seen both incredibly bad and very high quality, inspired images from both programmes ... and I love the sometimes incredibly cute images Gise has created with Poser and posted here:
https://www.renderhub.com/gise/gallery
As I said, I've seen both incredibly bad and very high quality, inspired images from both programmes ... and I love the sometimes incredibly cute images Gise has created with Poser and posted here:
https://www.renderhub.com/gise/gallery
I never really tried rendo, they kept bannin my accounts sayin I was a pirate for some some dumb reason like 15 years ago, so stopped botherin to even go there lol. They don't want my money, that's there issue. Only tried puttin my products on daz store before I found this place. Wish I had found this place a long time ago, instead of assuming it was my products that were bad and not daz being bad. I deleted like 5 things I made thinking they must be shit. I love this place, great store, and great community.
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Pushee-Ri
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Wed, Feb 21, 2024You speak from my soul - Renderhub is great
And yes - I also wonder how the Rendos want to make money with all these idiotic rules. Maybe the whole platform is just a giant poser advert????
And yes - I also wonder how the Rendos want to make money with all these idiotic rules. Maybe the whole platform is just a giant poser advert????
I was a poser merchant over two Decades ago selling BVH files animation for Daz Mike & Vicky2
I have an IMDb film credit for a commissioned animation I made using Poser over 12 years ago.
IMBD LISTING
The Poser community seemed to lose interest in animation and most of the animators left so I left with them and started using Iclone and selling bespoke motion files for the Daz genesis figures via Patreon and single commissions.
Someone on facebook suggested Renderhub to me in September of last year
and selling here was the best commercial decision I have made, as an animator, in a long time.
I have an IMDb film credit for a commissioned animation I made using Poser over 12 years ago.
IMBD LISTING
The Poser community seemed to lose interest in animation and most of the animators left so I left with them and started using Iclone and selling bespoke motion files for the Daz genesis figures via Patreon and single commissions.
Someone on facebook suggested Renderhub to me in September of last year
and selling here was the best commercial decision I have made, as an animator, in a long time.
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What I criticize about Rendo is having different rules for sold products and free products. Strict rules for the packages of some and much more flexible for others.
Which means when moving from one status to another we are lost!
Which means when moving from one status to another we are lost!
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Pushee-Ri
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Thu, Feb 22, 2024I've noticed that too ... and I LOVE it It allows me to post good/accurate projects with some additional info (to my projects on other platforms for example).
Nevertheless, this is of course strange - at 'rotica, for example, both commercial and free products are checked by at least 2 testers before they are released.
Another nice example of Rendo madness - this time in the area of dissociative identity disorder
It allows me to post good/accurate projects with some additional info (to my projects on other platforms for example).Nevertheless, this is of course strange - at 'rotica, for example, both commercial and free products are checked by at least 2 testers before they are released.
Another nice example of Rendo madness - this time in the area of dissociative identity disorder
Dumbo that I am, I overlooked 2 more crazy rules (well - at least the second one) ... although it was these rules that brought me to Renderhub.
Rule 191:
For clothing projects, the promos must show the clothing not only from the front/back/left/right, but also on different body shapes (emaciated, normal, voluptuous). If the promos do not do this, the product will be rejected.
(I can understand the rule a bit - but somehow it's still annoying ... and ultimately leads to such a uniform catalogue that it's no fun to look at products at all).
Rule 246:
When creating poses, the model's hips may only be moved or rotated slightly, as Rendo users only use their models hips for vertical positioning. Contorted poses are therefore generally rejected.
Because of this rule, even DAZ Original poses (both sets and some of the included "base" poses) would be rejected, as some poses cannot avoid using the model's hips at a different angle.
So - I have to say: with the information we've already gathered, I like Rendo more and more ... NOT
Rule 191:
For clothing projects, the promos must show the clothing not only from the front/back/left/right, but also on different body shapes (emaciated, normal, voluptuous). If the promos do not do this, the product will be rejected.
(I can understand the rule a bit - but somehow it's still annoying ... and ultimately leads to such a uniform catalogue that it's no fun to look at products at all).
Rule 246:
When creating poses, the model's hips may only be moved or rotated slightly, as Rendo users only use their models hips for vertical positioning. Contorted poses are therefore generally rejected.
Because of this rule, even DAZ Original poses (both sets and some of the included "base" poses) would be rejected, as some poses cannot avoid using the model's hips at a different angle.
So - I have to say: with the information we've already gathered, I like Rendo more and more ... NOT
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MKDAWUSS
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Fri, Feb 23, 2024I must be weird, because I use "body" for positioning instead of "hip" - I'll raise and lower hips for instances when I need to drop/slide someone in a seat as d-force does its thing.
"I like to work on poses from the breakdance / street dance scene. There, Chucks or Vans are used as a kind of "backyard ballet shoe", e.g. to stand on the tips or sides of the shoes.
Should it be easy - with an appropriate explanation - to publish such projects at Rendo? Nope - because Moron rule 467 says: Feet must be flat on the ground for all poses as soon as the user presses CTRL + D."
I do find it funny when in renders (or promo images) where someone in flat-heeled footwear stands in a high-heeled pose, but something like that is different as there's a specific situation going on. As for the Ctrl+D rule, does that only apply to poses or does it also apply to environments? What good is Ctrl+D if the environment floor isn't the y-axis floor? And then there are certain running, jumping, climbing, and swimming poses... Also, if Ctrl+D is such a problem for the end user, I hope said user doesn't try to have 2 more figures touch each other. Or even try popping heels on a flatfooted pose.
That aside, I haven't bought from there as much as I used to. Not so much due to a falling out as much as a moving on. I still have some rewards to cash out on, though.
Should it be easy - with an appropriate explanation - to publish such projects at Rendo? Nope - because Moron rule 467 says: Feet must be flat on the ground for all poses as soon as the user presses CTRL + D."
I do find it funny when in renders (or promo images) where someone in flat-heeled footwear stands in a high-heeled pose, but something like that is different as there's a specific situation going on. As for the Ctrl+D rule, does that only apply to poses or does it also apply to environments? What good is Ctrl+D if the environment floor isn't the y-axis floor? And then there are certain running, jumping, climbing, and swimming poses... Also, if Ctrl+D is such a problem for the end user, I hope said user doesn't try to have 2 more figures touch each other. Or even try popping heels on a flatfooted pose.
That aside, I haven't bought from there as much as I used to. Not so much due to a falling out as much as a moving on. I still have some rewards to cash out on, though.
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Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Feb 24, 2024Thank you for your comments (both of them)
I'll let a Rendorian have a direct say here when it came to poses, shoes and CTRL-D (this project of mine was also rejected):
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RENDOMANIAC: Poses with one toe on the ground have the flat foot floating. These need to be adjusted so that the flat foot is flat on the ground and the other leg bent to accommodate the position of the toe.
ME: the poses are from breakdancing, where shoes are not only used as clothing, but also as a tool for certain poses that are not possible without (flat) footwear ... However, a complete conversion of the poses to feet standing flat on the floor is out of the question, as they are then no longer breakdance poses.
RENDOMANIAC: For your poses this doesnt work because the toe already touches the floor and the foot that should be flat floats. The poses must be adjusted so that with or without shoes, CTRL D must put the feet of the figure on the floor.
(after a while)
RENDOMANIAC: Product failed
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I haven't bought much there either - I prefer to support the CCs here. But it's fun to annoy some users (and even more so the admins) on Rendo
I'll let a Rendorian have a direct say here when it came to poses, shoes and CTRL-D (this project of mine was also rejected):
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RENDOMANIAC: Poses with one toe on the ground have the flat foot floating. These need to be adjusted so that the flat foot is flat on the ground and the other leg bent to accommodate the position of the toe.
ME: the poses are from breakdancing, where shoes are not only used as clothing, but also as a tool for certain poses that are not possible without (flat) footwear ... However, a complete conversion of the poses to feet standing flat on the floor is out of the question, as they are then no longer breakdance poses.
RENDOMANIAC: For your poses this doesnt work because the toe already touches the floor and the foot that should be flat floats. The poses must be adjusted so that with or without shoes, CTRL D must put the feet of the figure on the floor.
(after a while)
RENDOMANIAC: Product failed
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I haven't bought much there either - I prefer to support the CCs here. But it's fun to annoy some users (and even more so the admins) on Rendo
I haven't posted any work there for a year now, communicating with the moderators is impossible, I've been censored several times for no reason, my posts were full of spam, posting had now become a problem for me, I've never had these problems here
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Anabran
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Mon, Feb 26, 2024Bondware is an absentee landlord for the site
and leaves it to be run by loyalist volunteers and inertia from the sales of Daz content in the store.
The only time you get moderator intervention is after one the poser loyalist runs to them to complain that you are discussing posers current status in the 3D character content market which is abysmal.
and leaves it to be run by loyalist volunteers and inertia from the sales of Daz content in the store.
The only time you get moderator intervention is after one the poser loyalist runs to them to complain that you are discussing posers current status in the 3D character content market which is abysmal.
I guess this site is full of Rendo expats - vendors and users alike. I could name at least 3 people I know, who got banned. I myself had various images banned for reasons failing modesty standards. But for me it was a waste of time explaining to the guardians of high morale that a fully clothed figure can not be nude. In the end I stopped posting in 2022, along with a severe drop in purchases. Some vendors with interesting items I contacted if they would sell there stuff also on alternative platforms, but at the time most of them did not. For the sake of comunicating with some artists I befriended over my 10 year membership I kept my account, but most of them by now have alterative accounts here or on DA.
Here some of the responses to anonymous censors:
https://www.renderosity.com/users/RRun/gallery?keyword=Twain
https://www.renderosity.com/gallery/items/2985538/son-of-thought
https://www.renderosity.com/gallery/items/2898925/conversation-among-friends
Here some of the responses to anonymous censors:
https://www.renderosity.com/users/RRun/gallery?keyword=Twain
https://www.renderosity.com/gallery/items/2985538/son-of-thought
https://www.renderosity.com/gallery/items/2898925/conversation-among-friends
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Pushee-Ri
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Sun, Mar 31, 2024LOL! These are really good ones
I didn't realise until now that the RendoWackos not only put products through the TOS meat grinder, but also images. How crazy is that ... ???
https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/34532/scream-queen-and-the-hairspray-hell
I didn't realise until now that the RendoWackos not only put products through the TOS meat grinder, but also images. How crazy is that ... ???
https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/34532/scream-queen-and-the-hairspray-hell
Looks like a bunch of their vendors are packing up and taking their wares to DAZ's OS
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Katsuyaki
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Sat, Apr 13, 2024Fabiana, Sveva, and Lilflame, at least so far. The funny thing is that all three have had products in the DAZ store for years -- tho' only a handful compared to the however many each had at Renderosity -- and DAZ is making a production out of welcoming them to their store. I guess that means that everything from these vendors from now on will be debuting in DAZ's store and not Renderosity's.
Flink uses an artist's maquette (those jointed wooden dolls we all had in art class) as a character in most of their product promos -- those are pretty mannequin-like, and Renderosity has allowed those for years.
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Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Apr 13, 2024Yep, one of my older pose projects on Rendo shows the poses using a mannequin wearing panties. That went through smoothly back then ... but apparently there have been a few TOS "improvements" in the meantime
