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GLBShinobi - X-9791 (CLOSED)
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This Female Android Shinobi was meticulously crafted using Blender. The characters originated from Genesis 8 base meshes and underwent significant modifications in Zbrush. A large portion of the modeling and setup was also executed in Blender with the light compositing, while final edits and refinements were accomplished in Photoshop to enhance realism.
X-9791 is a highly specialized mech character skilled in Ninjutsu. Her opaque skin enables her to seamlessly blend into the shadows, providing effective camouflage. Once her mission is complete, she deactivates her camouflage, revealing a translucent shell that exposes the intricate biomechanical components within. X-9791 possesses a fully functional brain and is exclusively owned by KUZIO Enterprises, a clandestine mercenary organization specializing in high-level assassination missions.
Scene:
In this scene, X-9791 is tasked with eliminating the young heir to the Yakuza clan, Watanabe Osuke, during his meditation. With absolute silence and precision, she decapitates him using her gleaming carbon blade leaving him in his own pool of blood. Remorselessness lies on all the Shinobi - X assassins after their kill.
Abstract:
I find immense joy in playing with shadows and highlights, relishing the contrasts they create. Light must appear subtly and selectively. In this artwork, the main character and her victim are sharply defined, with the blood splatters on both enhancing the interplay of light and dark, emphasizing the dramatic tension of the moment.
Good Luck to all and hope this makes it to the finish line.
Vesper
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X-9791 is a highly specialized mech character skilled in Ninjutsu. Her opaque skin enables her to seamlessly blend into the shadows, providing effective camouflage. Once her mission is complete, she deactivates her camouflage, revealing a translucent shell that exposes the intricate biomechanical components within. X-9791 possesses a fully functional brain and is exclusively owned by KUZIO Enterprises, a clandestine mercenary organization specializing in high-level assassination missions.
Scene:
In this scene, X-9791 is tasked with eliminating the young heir to the Yakuza clan, Watanabe Osuke, during his meditation. With absolute silence and precision, she decapitates him using her gleaming carbon blade leaving him in his own pool of blood. Remorselessness lies on all the Shinobi - X assassins after their kill.
Abstract:
I find immense joy in playing with shadows and highlights, relishing the contrasts they create. Light must appear subtly and selectively. In this artwork, the main character and her victim are sharply defined, with the blood splatters on both enhancing the interplay of light and dark, emphasizing the dramatic tension of the moment.
Good Luck to all and hope this makes it to the finish line.
Vesper
Wireframe
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I never knew this level of quality was even possible.
Honestly, if you don't win at all, I would feel like the contest is rigged, this is mind-numbingly phenomenal.
Honestly, if you don't win at all, I would feel like the contest is rigged, this is mind-numbingly phenomenal.
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VESPER
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Sun, May 19, 2024Well thank you so much it took about 3 weeks to get this one just right. First 2 weeks were the initial concept and modeling, second week was all the photoshop touch ups and post refinements. I am thrilled you like it. Quality takes patience and hard work, I must have like 60 iterations before I landed on the final lol.
VESPER
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Thu, May 30, 2024Can I ask you your opinion? BTW I started following you, you really should fill your gallery with the renders you have made, they are great!
I want to ask you out of the three renders I have uploaded so far which do you feel was best executed based on your experience
?
This Shinobi X one?
or
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/7259/domina-mortis-conductor-of-souls
or
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/7285/the-solemn-grave-of-the-fallen-king
I want to ask you out of the three renders I have uploaded so far which do you feel was best executed based on your experience
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This Shinobi X one?
or
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/7259/domina-mortis-conductor-of-souls
or
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/7285/the-solemn-grave-of-the-fallen-king
I'm not that good at analyzing pictures because I'm more likely to be overwhelmed by the first impression, or not! With this picture, I can only say that I am overwhelmed and really like the implementation!
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VESPER
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Sun, May 19, 2024Thank you for sharing your thoughts! It's perfectly normal to feel overwhelmed by a first impression, I'm the same as you, especially with something visually striking. It sounds like the picture made a strong impact on you, which is wonderful and hopefully others in this community will get a chance to see this too. I hope they experience what you did!
The use of metallics is breathtakingly beautiful, I love the way the lighting from the eye isnt excessive, sometimes its easy to let things like flares wash surrounding details and colours out but you found the perfect balance, this is an excellent piece and I'd be shocked if it wasnt a front-runner for inclusion in the next artbook. Very well done! 
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VESPER
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Sun, May 19, 2024Thank you so much for your generous and thoughtful feedback! I'm thrilled to hear that the use of metallics resonated with you. Achieving that balance with the lighting, especially around the eye, was indeed a meticulous process. I aimed to ensure that the light accentuated the details without overpowering them, so it's wonderful to know that it struck the right chord with you. Your kind words about its potential inclusion in the next artbook mean a lot to me. I'm grateful for your support and encouragement!
VESPER
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Sun, May 26, 2024Thank you Jaime, I am just wondering, do we propose the thumbnail focus, or is that your responsiblity and do you use our image and just compress it? Just for future entries, or should I just suggest the focus and not worry about it.
jamie6
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Mon, May 27, 2024Hi there,
You can absolutely do the thumbnail yourself. It is simply a cropped image 400x400. Of course I don't mind doing it as well.
Have a great weekend!
You can absolutely do the thumbnail yourself. It is simply a cropped image 400x400. Of course I don't mind doing it as well.
Have a great weekend!
VESPER
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Thu, May 30, 2024Jamie, I have a question, I asked Foxy but I don't know what timezone I am usually dealing with. Is there a reason, why once an entry is submitted, we are not able to add or modify it before the closing date? I had been wanting to add a 16:9 8k render of this as an optional image but it seems lost on me where I might be able to edit my submission by adding another image. I didn't want to re-enter the same submission twice if you get what I mean.
Maybe there is a good reason for not allowing us to add additional captures.
Can you let me know?
Maybe there is a good reason for not allowing us to add additional captures.
Can you let me know?
j-ferreira
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Thu, May 30, 2024Hey there, I am not part of RenderHub but, from what I remember from previous competitions, if I'm not mistaken, you can just add the latest version of the image that you want to submit in a reply to this submission.
You would need to add the thumbnail afterwards as well because the forum picks up the latest submited image as a thumbnail.
You would need to add the thumbnail afterwards as well because the forum picks up the latest submited image as a thumbnail.
VESPER
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Thu, May 30, 2024Thank you so much, you are completely correct, hopefully the judges will have options to choose from now. Either 1:1 or 16:9.
Much Respect
Vesper
Much Respect
Vesper
j-ferreira
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Thu, May 30, 2024Jamie6 - No problem! You guys are dealing with so many entries. Must be hard to reply to all.
VESPER - Cheers and good luck
VESPER - Cheers and good luck
VESPER
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Wed, May 22, 2024Honestly, I don't know what else to say but thank you. It took a lot of work to get this right!
VESPER
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Tue, May 28, 2024Man that really means a lot. I as I am sure you read above it took a lot of work. I appreciate the recognition.
Best
Vesper
Best
Vesper
Well we are in the final stretch
I wanted to add an optional 8k version but 16:9 in dimensions, with a lot more detail since I raised the resolution, I had more freedom in Photoshop.
I wanted to add an optional 8k version but 16:9 in dimensions, with a lot more detail since I raised the resolution, I had more freedom in Photoshop.
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I am trully humbled by the amount of views this received. I don't take it in any way that this is the best, there are so many spectacular artists in this contest. If you are reading this, keep striving to do the best you can be. Honored to be among so many great 3D artists! Best of Fortune to everyone! ☺
Vesper
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Mate, this 3D contest entry is next-level bonkers! It's so insanely realistic, it's like the artist hacked reality itself. The textures, the shadows, every tiny detail it's all spot on. You'd swear you could reach out and touch it, it's that lifelike. Honestly, it's a mind-blowing masterpiece that blurs the line between digital art and the real world. Bravo!
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VESPER
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Sat, Jun 01, 2024Honestly, this render took way too much time. The amount of post production to get everything right, from the blood, to the skin, to the lighting on the armor and face and reflections on the blood was such a hassle. Thank you though, Others have said it looks real, which is a bonus for it means I am getting better.
Hawawunar
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Thu, Jun 13, 2024Honestly, mate, there’s some crackin’ entries in this contest, but yours is my fave. I’d be gobsmacked if you didn’t end up in the finalists.
VESPER
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Thu, Jun 13, 2024Thank you, but you absolutely correct, if by "crackin" you mean amazing, honestly just feel humbled to participate with other designers, plus it's fun, I actually got some of my work put in the renderhub volume 1 book which was a tremendous honor!
Ce rendu est absolument impressionnant, surtout pour un nouveau venu. Un ami m'a parler des concours ici avec de gros gains. Etes-vous sur de ne pas avoir utilise Unreal Engine ? Cela semble aussi realiste que les jeux AAA que je vois dans les studios. Si vous avez fait ca en Blender, vous devriez devenir artiste conceptuel en studio ou decrocher des contrats utilisant autres des logiciels . Je n'utilise pas DAZ, mais si vous avez seulement utilise les meshes de base et la pose, c'est remarquable. Qu'est-ce qui vous a inspire a decapiter le personnage au lieu de le montrer entier ?
Merde, c'est trauts reel!
Merde, c'est trauts reel!
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VESPER
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Sat, Jun 01, 2024Um, I'm sorry I ran your response through Google Translate. But no I did none of this in Unreal Engine. This is all textured and designed in Blender, but like I said There was post work in lightroom and photoshop to add those layers of realism. Thank you for the compliment. Maybe one day someone will see my work and hire me for some concept art or rendering!
Best Vesper
Best Vesper
3DCONCEPTIX
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Sun, Jun 02, 2024I'm not so good english, I like the design. I see it at the top!
Good Lucke
Good Lucke
VESPER
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Mon, Jun 03, 2024Well thank you for the nice words I don't blame you for think its unreal engine, it took a lot of practice.
CONGRATS!
Those 3 weeks of work have definitely paid off and it shows!
Those 3 weeks of work have definitely paid off and it shows!
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VESPER
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Sat, Jun 15, 2024I honestly am so happy right now, a feeling of deep gratitude the judges picked this piece. There were so many other artists that could have easily won. Just honored and blessed. Thank you!
TZO3k1
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Sat, Jun 15, 2024It's the recognition of one's work from their peers/the audience which gives what we do incredible value, which is worth its weight in gold, and keeps us doing what we do!
Congratulations on taking FIRST PLACE in the contest! Great work.
Someone will be in contact with you soon regarding your prize.
Thanks for participating in the contest.
Someone will be in contact with you soon regarding your prize.
Thanks for participating in the contest.
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VESPER
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Sat, Jun 15, 2024Foxy, I honestly don't know what to say. Renderhub is just been an amazing place and this win is deeply humbling. Thank you!
Pugovka
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Tue, Jun 18, 2024This is in the rules of your competition.
"A wireframe image of your submission is also required as proof that your submission is a 3D scene and not AI generated.
Post-work in Photoshop or other software is allowed, but the original render must be done in 3D software."
As a result of processing in Photoshop (If this is true), the image has multiple inconsistencies with the wireframe image, what should you do in such cases?
I want to know the limit of acceptable differences between a render and a wireframe image to prove the authenticity of the image.
"A wireframe image of your submission is also required as proof that your submission is a 3D scene and not AI generated.
Post-work in Photoshop or other software is allowed, but the original render must be done in 3D software."
As a result of processing in Photoshop (If this is true), the image has multiple inconsistencies with the wireframe image, what should you do in such cases?
I want to know the limit of acceptable differences between a render and a wireframe image to prove the authenticity of the image.
congrats! this piece had my eye right from the start - it's fabulous 
well deserved!!
well deserved!!! REPORT
VESPER
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Sat, Jun 15, 2024Much appreciated, I am greatful and thankful, but your "Ritual" and others could've easily also been first place. Please don't forget to put that piece in your personal Gallery! ♥
Amazing details in this image.
Congratulations.
Congratulations.
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VESPER
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Sat, Jun 15, 2024Thank you it took a lot of time and work. I am happy it paid off!
This is so well deserved my friend, I love it... Congratulations
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VESPER
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Sat, Jun 15, 2024Thank you so much, honestly I am super humbled to come in first, there were so many contenders for first.
Congratulations, well done and definitely deserved.
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VESPER
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Sat, Jun 15, 2024Thank you so much. I honestly love this community, So many designers on here are just the best.
VilinFXHub
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Sun, Jun 16, 2024Yes, I enjoy being part of the renderhub community and the renderhub contest is always fun to do, it challenges you every time to make something creative based on a subject and then the excitement waiting for the results. Just fun and a way to relax by making a 3D render or animation. You can't always win, especially when there are so many good entries, but that's part of the fun. Unfortunately, there are always people who cannot cope with their loss and always have something to complain about. Tastes simply differ and that is why it is nice that there is a new contest every time. Enjoy your prize and the new competition with opportunities for everyone.
Congratulations, it was one among the best renders, besides having a the first place. Well done!
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VESPER
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Sat, Jun 15, 2024Thank you my friend, super humbled by this but also very proud of this achievement. It took a lot, but it paid off!
I wanted to congratulate you on your victory, but from the very beginning I had a lot of questions about your work. I took the time to study it carefully, and I have some bad news. The grid doesn't match the render at all! I have attached some frames for comparison. The strangest detail is the fingers, which too often give out generation errors using artificial intelligence. I'm not saying that you have completely generated the image, but the faces and hands are not three-dimensional, but generation is the only way to achieve realism. I am very familiar with blender and its capabilities, but it is obvious that faces and hands are too good even for 3d scanning. The rules prohibit the use of AI. There are different angles of models in other works, but yours is only in one and this once again confirms my theory. I don't want to blame you, but everyone has to play by the rules.
if you can provide more angles of these models with renders, especially hands and faces, I am ready to apologize to you and congratulate you on your victory, but if not, then this is a victory for AI and a deception of the judges.
if you can provide more angles of these models with renders, especially hands and faces, I am ready to apologize to you and congratulate you on your victory, but if not, then this is a victory for AI and a deception of the judges.
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VESPER
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Sun, Jun 16, 2024I am sorry you feel I am misleading the judges, because that is incorrect. I spent most of my post work for a week in Photoshop as I stated in my entry, I did say I used photoshop for maximum realism, using techniques like liquefy and various brushes and blending techniques I also used various texture enhancements and various other renders I modified through brushing and texture overlays. I have nothing apologize for nor do I feel the need to justify my work.
I'm sorry you believe that my work was deceptively made through Ai, it wasnt, I hope you take into consideration a lot of my post work that I do that I have mentioned, and the rules state That I am allowed to do that. The render is always the closest approximation of the figure and scene and the rest as I stated is me tweaking all the elements...some things I remove and somethings I add all the blood work and background even the face is modified in photoshop and are all part of my post work.
If what I am saying is not clear to you then I don't know ehat else to say. I would be careful in accusing others especially after they described they did do edits in photoshop for maximal realism.
Vesper
I'm sorry you believe that my work was deceptively made through Ai, it wasnt, I hope you take into consideration a lot of my post work that I do that I have mentioned, and the rules state That I am allowed to do that. The render is always the closest approximation of the figure and scene and the rest as I stated is me tweaking all the elements...some things I remove and somethings I add all the blood work and background even the face is modified in photoshop and are all part of my post work.
If what I am saying is not clear to you then I don't know ehat else to say. I would be careful in accusing others especially after they described they did do edits in photoshop for maximal realism.
Vesper
perfumer
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Sun, Jun 16, 2024I don't blame you and wrote that, in my opinion, the work is not fully generated. But it's clear that there are very few 3d works here. Your words didn't convince me because you passed it off as a 3d masterpiece, but in my opinion it's just photoshop kitbash. Your other works are completely different from this one, even in style. I've already gotten used to the fact that these contests are unfair, and I feel bad for the people who really try to make best arts. Your win in the competition for the best processing in Photoshop, but not for 3D rendering, and even more so in the nomination "The Art of Light". Sorry, but in my opinion, the 3rd place or honorable members, but never the 1st place!
protosynthetic
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Sun, Jun 16, 2024It does beg a ton of questions, and I really do think that a lot more of the process should have been shown. There's a reason I was annoyingly verbose with my entries, even if they didn't stand a chance. With DALL-E 3 and possibly others capable of inventing a wireframe "close" to its own rendered image, it's easy to see why "Well, here's a wireframe over some texture" and "here's the heavily-altered final product" does raise some red flags. I could pick it apart for days too. It's not being salty about not winning, it's about what it is you lost to. If I were hosting something where I tossed out over a grand for some primo work, I'd want to see what went into that work.
VESPER
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Sun, Jun 16, 2024It's okay, I brought this up with support. There was no AI used—I’ve been working as an illustrator in Photoshop for over 10 years. If post-work wasn’t allowed, you would all be correct. I have demonstrated that the base is in 3D, and since refining parts of the final render for realism without altering major portions of the base render is within the rules, I am confident I followed them. As I mentioned, I’ve already discussed brought this up with Foxy and am sure my post-work adhered to the guidelines.
protosynthetic
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Sun, Jun 16, 2024That's fine. The decision is what it is. But perhaps going forward, there should be stricter rules on transparency for the very reason this is in question. The whole reason wireframes even became necessary is because something AI was initially picked as a winner in the first one of these. It's not about you, it's about the people who made the decisions. The proof should come before, not after. We can't talk about this kind of thing while the contest is on, because then it looks like we're tearing down an entry. Likewise why I would ignore people who asked for feedback on their entries, not my place. I could give bunk advice to tear them down and make me look good, or sway opinions in their favor with favorable feedback. In future contests, wink to the guys in charge, we'd love to see all doubt removed before, not after, the money's been handed out.
perfumer
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Sun, Jun 16, 2024you're absolutely right, but the judges here don't care who wins for a long time. Just look at the winners of past contests. I am sure that their qualifications are insufficient to give a fair assessment. If this is a contest for the best 3D work, it should have 90% 3D and only 10% photoshop. It's sad that with each contest it gets worse, people who create masterpieces get the same prize as bad works created in 20 minutes. This work is not bad, for a character sketching but it's not about 3d art, it's just about image processing applied to model,just accept this fact with dignity VESPER, because not everyone here is a beginner who is easily deceived by a beautiful picture.
gh0stttt
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Sun, Jun 16, 2024Hey, dingle nuts with a burner account on Renderhub of all places.
I don't know if you understand this, but it literally states in the rules that you are allowed to edit your 3D work.
You noticed that in every contest, it gets "worst," but I noticed that in almost every contest, it's always someone bashing the chosen winners AND the judges as if they don't know what the hell they are even doing. For one, art is subjective.
Two, your little tirade can literally be applied to ANYTHING. Movies, music, books, EVEN FOOD.
Three, you had to make a burner account to cry about the winners. You should automatically be disregarded by everyone who sees your messages.
And 4... no one has to prove ANYTHING to someone who isn't even hired on RH. That means YOU. Just because your entry didn't win, doesn't mean you have to act like a wet wipe to those who did. Stop trying to create problems for something that never had one to begin with.
I don't know if you understand this, but it literally states in the rules that you are allowed to edit your 3D work.
You noticed that in every contest, it gets "worst," but I noticed that in almost every contest, it's always someone bashing the chosen winners AND the judges as if they don't know what the hell they are even doing. For one, art is subjective.
Two, your little tirade can literally be applied to ANYTHING. Movies, music, books, EVEN FOOD.
Three, you had to make a burner account to cry about the winners. You should automatically be disregarded by everyone who sees your messages.
And 4... no one has to prove ANYTHING to someone who isn't even hired on RH. That means YOU. Just because your entry didn't win, doesn't mean you have to act like a wet wipe to those who did. Stop trying to create problems for something that never had one to begin with.
Sorry guys, but it is so obvious that this picture is heavily enhanced by using AI technology that I could not even seriously diskuss about it.
If for the judges and the rules this is ok, than I'm fine with it. It seams to be the future of computer graphics.
Why should I work many hours after many years of study on the right light, the right shaders, realistic hair and skin etc. in a 3d program,
when I can do it in a few minutes with "AI Finetuning".
The Photoshop work looks nice, but the comments of the artist about his own work and how damn difficult it was made me laughing.
I think no one with a little bit of experience is taking contests like this seriously.
The best thing is taking it like a sportsman.
The judges make the decisions.
If for the judges and the rules this is ok, than I'm fine with it. It seams to be the future of computer graphics.
Why should I work many hours after many years of study on the right light, the right shaders, realistic hair and skin etc. in a 3d program,
when I can do it in a few minutes with "AI Finetuning".
The Photoshop work looks nice, but the comments of the artist about his own work and how damn difficult it was made me laughing.
I think no one with a little bit of experience is taking contests like this seriously.
The best thing is taking it like a sportsman.
The judges make the decisions.
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perfumer
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Tue, Jun 18, 2024Be careful, now they will start throwing stones at you. People here can't stand objective criticism, they praise each other even for bad work. You will become their enemy if you don't praise them! I've exposed a huge lie, but they keep not seeing it.
Viewport Shot
These are the wireframes
This is the render without any photoshop retouching, no lighting adjustments, DOF, vignetting, re-texturing, brushing/ blending or croping or fitting or layering from other renders I did to meld into this scene. This is just the main models. As you can see the main scene was already mostly complete, I did the rest of the enhancements in photoshop since I do digital painting as well.
Please let me know if there is anything else you will need.
Vesper
These are the wireframes
This is the render without any photoshop retouching, no lighting adjustments, DOF, vignetting, re-texturing, brushing/ blending or croping or fitting or layering from other renders I did to meld into this scene. This is just the main models. As you can see the main scene was already mostly complete, I did the rest of the enhancements in photoshop since I do digital painting as well.
Please let me know if there is anything else you will need.
Vesper
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protosynthetic
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Tue, Jun 18, 2024Gotcha. I'll shut up about it. The other guy, I think that's either the contents of a whole Discord server somewhere or one guy with at least five accounts, and it's easy to figure out who their "main" account is because all these alt accounts spamming the hate stuff elsewhere are on that post giving quite the reach-around.
Pugovka
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Tue, Jun 18, 2024Can you show a render of the character in T pose? In the front and in the back.
Thank you Vesper for your courage! You confirmed my words! You all attacked me like zombies! But I was the only one who could distinguish a fake from a masterpiece! I think these pictures give a full understanding that is a common trick in Photoshop, as I said, there is no complicated 3d work here. Just look at how different the render is from the final picture! This is a great example of the fact that these judges are incompetent and they can be deceived by manipulations in Photoshop. Shame on you! And shame on those who threw stones at me, you are as incompetent and hopeless as they are. Instead of wasting time on malicious comments, you should spend more time on learning. What is happening here is terrible! You are all being turned into vegetables by giving prizes for bad work. Critics all over the world express their opinions and for this they don't need to draw like Da vinci!
no comments more at all!
no comments more at all!
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VESPER
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Tue, Jun 18, 2024First I didn't do this because of you, I did it because it was at the request of support. I have done nothing wrong and fulfilled all my obligation. The render took two weeks to put together the transluscent shell she is wearing is just a fraction of the inside parts of her body I modelled.
Second, I am a digital painter and it states in the rules that I can do post and it took a whole week with hours upon hours of work. To insinuate that my work is AI is where you were wrong. I don't use AI ever, everything was manually altered.
I'm sorry you felt you lost in this competition or that you don't like the rules, but claiming that this was fully or partly rendered using AI was what bothered me. I have been digitally painting for over 15 years and a 3D artist for 14 years.
3rd I am proud of my work and it is a masterpiece contrary to what you might believe. Most of the scene was already complete and it took 2 weeks for me and all the rest of realism was hand drawn, lit, warped and textured in photoshop on my wacom cintiq.
I am proud of this piece and anyone who knows 3D design professionally knows a lot of post work is always done.
Don't accuse people of doing things they didn't do in the future...I saw how you spoke to some who won and you do not sound like you are critiquing you sound condescending and bitter. The rules is it must be a 3d render and post is allowed if you have a problem with that next time don't tear people down just go to support.
Second, I am a digital painter and it states in the rules that I can do post and it took a whole week with hours upon hours of work. To insinuate that my work is AI is where you were wrong. I don't use AI ever, everything was manually altered.
I'm sorry you felt you lost in this competition or that you don't like the rules, but claiming that this was fully or partly rendered using AI was what bothered me. I have been digitally painting for over 15 years and a 3D artist for 14 years.
3rd I am proud of my work and it is a masterpiece contrary to what you might believe. Most of the scene was already complete and it took 2 weeks for me and all the rest of realism was hand drawn, lit, warped and textured in photoshop on my wacom cintiq.
I am proud of this piece and anyone who knows 3D design professionally knows a lot of post work is always done.
Don't accuse people of doing things they didn't do in the future...I saw how you spoke to some who won and you do not sound like you are critiquing you sound condescending and bitter. The rules is it must be a 3d render and post is allowed if you have a problem with that next time don't tear people down just go to support.
protosynthetic
Karma: 2,122
Tue, Jun 18, 2024At this point, perfumer and/or your other alts on here, I think it's safe to say you, like me, can eat your damn words. You thought it was AI, you were proven wrong. If it had been, it would have been a valid complaint. But it wasn't. Don't pretend to do a victory dance on this. Whoever you were supporting, or whoever your main account is that was in the contest and didn't get an honorable mention because of X reason, bumping the two or three you've been bashing hard won't put yours in its place. He showed his work, it's solid math, it takes the prize. Anything beyond that, your beef is not with that artist, so you're taking it out on the wrong guy. Drop it, dude.
perfumer
Karma: 343
Tue, Jun 18, 2024What kind of insult are you talking about?Once again, for those who cannot read, I want to inform you that I am not participating in this contest! I wrote comments to everyone whose work I liked or not! If, after all the evidence, you are still blind and don't see the difference between the original and tons of processing with glued photos of hands, faces and hair, you have a problem. This is not a masterpiece, this is a photo montage! The original is so much different that I would not have recognized this work without processing! OMG, what is the matter with you!? At least be honest with yourself, it's a fake! I expressed my opinion and turned out to be right, if it wasn't for me, you would have continued to believe in this fake miracle!
The most entertaining thing about all this are the fanboy comments about the picture
and the childish reactions about the critics.
I'm quiet shure Vesper has done the best he/she could and the judges didn't care
about the percentual relation between 3d rendering and 2d postwork.
Perhaps they were told to do so.
This was no surprise for me, so there is no reason to be angry.
Am I angry not winning in the lottery? No!
Please calm down everyone!
It's for shure not worth starting to hate each other.
and the childish reactions about the critics.
I'm quiet shure Vesper has done the best he/she could and the judges didn't care
about the percentual relation between 3d rendering and 2d postwork.
Perhaps they were told to do so.
This was no surprise for me, so there is no reason to be angry.
Am I angry not winning in the lottery? No!
Please calm down everyone!
It's for shure not worth starting to hate each other.
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VESPER
Karma: 1,374
Tue, Jun 18, 2024If you have ever done any work as a concept artist the line between 3D and post work is practically even unless you dive into actual modellling and rigging for animation. I which case it is almost invariably always done solely by 3D by big studios. I've been hired by studios for concept art and wanted to enter because
I wanted to see what I could make without following a studios guidelines. This percentual concept to me is benign because anyone who works in 3D and concept art is practically at 50/50 3D and digital painting. If renderhub wants 3D with no post work that's a different story. If they do next time my entry won't have anything in post, but all the critics just sound upset and are bashing or tearing down winners...that just sounds salty.
I wanted to see what I could make without following a studios guidelines. This percentual concept to me is benign because anyone who works in 3D and concept art is practically at 50/50 3D and digital painting. If renderhub wants 3D with no post work that's a different story. If they do next time my entry won't have anything in post, but all the critics just sound upset and are bashing or tearing down winners...that just sounds salty.
perfumer
Karma: 343
Tue, Jun 18, 2024Why should I keep silent if I see outright lies? I think everyone has the right to express their opinion! The cool works got what they deserved, as well as the bad ones deserved criticism.
When AI creates an image or edits individual elements in the image, cluster noise appears at the border between objects,
this way the AI tries to stabilize the visual difference between them.
By looking closely at these areas, changing the lighting and creating strong contrast, these areas are easy to detect.
So already now people submit the original image to AI processing and produce the result as if they did the post-processing manually.
AI also changes the shape of some elements and these elements will differ from the wireframe image. Stabilizing clusters will be noticeable especially at the boundaries of these objects.
Of course, lovers of high-quality fakes will blur these areas in an attempt to disguise these areas. There are other signs that will help recognize AI processing, but I will not disclose this information.
Everyone can independently search for other generated high-resolution images, change brightness, contrast, and detect similar elements at the border between objects.
I think there is a difference between manual post-processing and AI post-processing.
It seems that the rules of the competition need clear boundaries of what is acceptable.
this way the AI tries to stabilize the visual difference between them.
By looking closely at these areas, changing the lighting and creating strong contrast, these areas are easy to detect.
So already now people submit the original image to AI processing and produce the result as if they did the post-processing manually.
AI also changes the shape of some elements and these elements will differ from the wireframe image. Stabilizing clusters will be noticeable especially at the boundaries of these objects.
Of course, lovers of high-quality fakes will blur these areas in an attempt to disguise these areas. There are other signs that will help recognize AI processing, but I will not disclose this information.
Everyone can independently search for other generated high-resolution images, change brightness, contrast, and detect similar elements at the border between objects.
I think there is a difference between manual post-processing and AI post-processing.
It seems that the rules of the competition need clear boundaries of what is acceptable.
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VESPER
Karma: 1,374
Tue, Jun 18, 2024It is truly astonishing that cannot accept that someone did this manually, it has to be Ai. I am sure some do but at this point zi have nothing further to say, you can believe what you want, something tells me you are just not going to accept any answer I give. Let's just let support handle this. I will accept any choice they make, unlike others!
protosynthetic
Karma: 2,122
Tue, Jun 18, 2024I’m going to call it like I see it. A bunch of accounts with no gallery and no entries with this much to say screams alt accounts. A whole network of fake hype and shitposting to make it look like a crowd consensus when in reality it’s just one person. All of them use the same grammar and syntax, make similar misspellings. You try to make them sort of look like they have different personalities, like the way
you abuse the enter key
to make it look like you’re attempting
paragraphs.
I can tell exactly which entry you’re salty about, because it’s peppered with transparently fake propers, like a restaurant giving itself fake reviews and interacting with them, as though any of the judging criteria is based on views, comments, or praise from users, which it’s not so that game is pathetic.
That entry was ironically done by a person whose whole account was started for the contest, which makes me think it’s a long-standing member whose lost in the past and just wants to make this all one stupid game.
It could be something as simple as the judge(s) being averse to any kind of nudity. Not your skill or lack thereof, but a simple nipple might have cost you, bub. Tearing this down won’t help. Logging into a second and third account to make it look like a crowd of complaints rather than an obsessed individual makes you pathetic.
you abuse the enter key
to make it look like you’re attempting
paragraphs.
I can tell exactly which entry you’re salty about, because it’s peppered with transparently fake propers, like a restaurant giving itself fake reviews and interacting with them, as though any of the judging criteria is based on views, comments, or praise from users, which it’s not so that game is pathetic.
That entry was ironically done by a person whose whole account was started for the contest, which makes me think it’s a long-standing member whose lost in the past and just wants to make this all one stupid game.
It could be something as simple as the judge(s) being averse to any kind of nudity. Not your skill or lack thereof, but a simple nipple might have cost you, bub. Tearing this down won’t help. Logging into a second and third account to make it look like a crowd of complaints rather than an obsessed individual makes you pathetic.
perfumer
Karma: 343
Tue, Jun 18, 2024Do you know what paranoia is? You have already been shown the work without processing and this is a completely different result. The guy just pasted faces in Photoshop and stretched a grid over them as if it were a masterpiece of 3d art. Why don't you want to accept it? This work is fake and not worthy of the first place. I have no interest in discrediting anyone because I'm not even involved, damn it! There are people whom I congratulated on the victory because their work looks decent. But you keep looking for ghosts! Because of people like you, good arts will remain in the shadows and such fakes will receive rewards! Have your opinion and stop licking the author because, just because you're worse than him!
Even if it's not AI, but why say that these are 3D models of a complex skin shader and make fake a mesh frame?You write about the fact that a lot of effort and time was spent. This is just a photo manipulation,but this contest for a 3d artists, not the best processing in photoshop, and here is the result. The painted picture prevailed over common sense! You can continue to defend the author and praise him, but this will not help him, will only make it worse.
Just look at the examples of the original and processing and everything will immediately become clear, if not, then I'm sorry for you!
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As with all contests, RenderHub reserves the right to verify the eligibility qualifications of any winner.
This entry had some issues causing us to do a further review.
Upon which, we decided that there were some issues with the wireframe that raised concern. After discussing, we agreed we should err on the side of caution. Therefore, it has been disqualified.
To avoid issues in the future, we will be revising the contest rules to ensure clarity with regard to any post 3D work that may be done.
The second and third-place winners have been bumped up, respectively.
The honorable mention with the highest judging score has been bumped up to third place.
A new honorable mention has been posted.
The new list of winners can be found here.
Thank you to everyone for your patience while we investigated, as we try to make the contests as fair as possible for all.
This entry had some issues causing us to do a further review.
Upon which, we decided that there were some issues with the wireframe that raised concern. After discussing, we agreed we should err on the side of caution. Therefore, it has been disqualified.
To avoid issues in the future, we will be revising the contest rules to ensure clarity with regard to any post 3D work that may be done.
The second and third-place winners have been bumped up, respectively.
The honorable mention with the highest judging score has been bumped up to third place.
A new honorable mention has been posted.
The new list of winners can be found here.
Thank you to everyone for your patience while we investigated, as we try to make the contests as fair as possible for all.
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VESPER
Karma: 1,374
Tue, Jun 18, 2024I accept the outcome, I can assure you there was no deception on my part intended I simply overlayed the wireframe on my finished photo if that was wrong I accept this also. In the future please be more thorough in your details RenderHub about what constitutes post work for the record "photo-manipulation" was not articulated clearly articulated in the rules and there was no photo used that was all digital illlustration. I understood post as meaning we can take the original render and modify it in post production to any degree so long as the base was developped in 3D. I apologize to the other winners and honorable mentions, but my intention was not to deceive anyone, I was clear from the beginning that I did post work without Ai to get the desired realism.
Vesper
Vesper
I am back at RenderHub after few months. Completions here are still messed up, judging side and by few individual participants.
The last post of user Perfumer, it's obvious that this contest submission was 100% fake all through, and for him/her to still keep peddling lies of photoshop wizardry... imagine the work involved in transforming to the final head and hand. Checking out the gallery, I assume one of his other works had won an earlier contest.
Foxy and team RenderHub should come up with a better competition process. The prize money is big and there are so many wonderful genuine submissions by users really putting in an honest work.
The last post of user Perfumer, it's obvious that this contest submission was 100% fake all through, and for him/her to still keep peddling lies of photoshop wizardry... imagine the work involved in transforming to the final head and hand. Checking out the gallery, I assume one of his other works had won an earlier contest.
Foxy and team RenderHub should come up with a better competition process. The prize money is big and there are so many wonderful genuine submissions by users really putting in an honest work.
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