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MKDAWUSSThu, Jan 23
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MKDAWUSSWed, Jan 22
So I've been thinking for the past few days about finally tackling that backlog of reviews that's piled up from all my acquisitions over the past few years I've been here. After all, I've gotten plenty of use out of numerous things here (some things more than others), and figured it was time to handing out opinions. And then it came time to stare at the wall of boxes waiting to be filled. I'm not the type who hands out semi-mindless "5/5 great job!" or "0/5 this SUCKS!" that benefits no one besides maybe someone wanting to collect high review scores in the case of the former (I also rarely - if ever - hand out 5/5s; that's saying it's perfect, nothing could make this better, there's no room for improvement...). The next question then becomes how to give honest reviews that don't sound too samey. I mean, there are only so many different ways I can go on about how versatile a character is, for example.
There is the User Renders section of an item, but that's a separate but related thing.
So... yeah, that's where I'm currently at regarding that.
There is the User Renders section of an item, but that's a separate but related thing.
So... yeah, that's where I'm currently at regarding that.
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I'm in the same boat. I've kept up with most of the main products I've bought but I've missed quite a few of the products I've bought in the months that I don't spend time using Daz. As far as rating, as long as the product fits,moves and bends, looks and renders according to the products description, then its a 5 star for me. I will say I tend to buy some products with the intent to use differently than the intended purpose along with retexturing them into a more usable and normal situations (looking at you adult content section of Renderhub) only to find the grouping and or texturing zones make it more difficult to get the desired results I want to my own lack of skill sets. So while the intended item may require more work than intended or even become unusable for anything other than possibly humor, I'd still have to give it a 5 based on the item and the vendors intent when creating it.
If I actually bought a 3 or below star product, meaning mistakes, errors and such, I'd probably site mail the vendor first and give them a chance to fix it, etc. before leaving a review.
I think another good, roundabout way of reviewing is simply to add the Renderhub products you use in your gallery images
If I actually bought a 3 or below star product, meaning mistakes, errors and such, I'd probably site mail the vendor first and give them a chance to fix it, etc. before leaving a review.
I think another good, roundabout way of reviewing is simply to add the Renderhub products you use in your gallery images
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MKDAWUSS
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Sun, Jan 05"I will say I tend to buy some products with the intent to use differently than the intended purpose along with retexturing them into a more usable and normal situations (looking at you adult content section of Renderhub) only to find the grouping and or texturing zones make it more difficult to get the desired results I want to my own lack of skill sets."
I do the same, though with some things it's a bit tricky since my photoshop skill level is "Copy and Paste" and some things aren't exactly editor friendly. Easiest to do are replacing real-world pictures with screenshots or renders, as that's been a bit of a house rule of mine - the in-world images can't look more real than the in-world reality. That does slow my time using the associated assets, though. I'll sometimes replace an item's brand if it's far more parody than original (the former just breaks immersion too much for me - I get why it's done, but sometimes I think there are better ways of doing it).
There are characters that I'll use differently, too, which depends on numerous things.
"If I actually bought a 3 or below star product, meaning mistakes, errors and such, I'd probably site mail the vendor first and give them a chance to fix it, etc. before leaving a review."
You kinda have to given that reviews aren't subject to amendment once submitted. A product may update, but your review doesn't. Fortunately, most producers are communicative enough to make PMs a more viable approach on certain technical matters.
"I think another good, roundabout way of reviewing is simply to add the Renderhub products you use in your gallery images"
That and the product's User Renders section, though it's not exactly a review of how a product is. Sure it's showing it off and what it does and if you like it, but there's no official rating associated with that.
I do the same, though with some things it's a bit tricky since my photoshop skill level is "Copy and Paste" and some things aren't exactly editor friendly. Easiest to do are replacing real-world pictures with screenshots or renders, as that's been a bit of a house rule of mine - the in-world images can't look more real than the in-world reality. That does slow my time using the associated assets, though. I'll sometimes replace an item's brand if it's far more parody than original (the former just breaks immersion too much for me - I get why it's done, but sometimes I think there are better ways of doing it).
There are characters that I'll use differently, too, which depends on numerous things.
"If I actually bought a 3 or below star product, meaning mistakes, errors and such, I'd probably site mail the vendor first and give them a chance to fix it, etc. before leaving a review."
You kinda have to given that reviews aren't subject to amendment once submitted. A product may update, but your review doesn't. Fortunately, most producers are communicative enough to make PMs a more viable approach on certain technical matters.
"I think another good, roundabout way of reviewing is simply to add the Renderhub products you use in your gallery images"
That and the product's User Renders section, though it's not exactly a review of how a product is. Sure it's showing it off and what it does and if you like it, but there's no official rating associated with that.
dirtrider00
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Sun, Jan 05"I think another good, roundabout way of reviewing is simply to add the Renderhub products you use in your gallery images"
"That and the product's User Renders section, though it's not exactly a review of how a product is. Sure it's showing it off and what it does and if you like it, but there's no official rating associated with that."
I will say I pretty much have reviewed at least most of the items I've used in my renders I've uploaded into the gallery.
Part of my problem with keeping up with reviews is I tend to buy stuff that I may not use now but can see myself using it in the future at some point. Ugh.. most of my library is like that.
Overall though, I think it is good for buyers to leave reviews on the products they've bought, at least at the sites that have the feature. May not need to worry so much about it for the more established vendors, but I've bought some really nice items from newer/lesser known vendors that a few good reviews with maybe some minor criticisms about what could be improved if it needs it could help them stay inspired and keep creating content.
"That and the product's User Renders section, though it's not exactly a review of how a product is. Sure it's showing it off and what it does and if you like it, but there's no official rating associated with that."
I will say I pretty much have reviewed at least most of the items I've used in my renders I've uploaded into the gallery.
Part of my problem with keeping up with reviews is I tend to buy stuff that I may not use now but can see myself using it in the future at some point. Ugh.. most of my library is like that.
Overall though, I think it is good for buyers to leave reviews on the products they've bought, at least at the sites that have the feature. May not need to worry so much about it for the more established vendors, but I've bought some really nice items from newer/lesser known vendors that a few good reviews with maybe some minor criticisms about what could be improved if it needs it could help them stay inspired and keep creating content.
SnarlTheWerewolf
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Wed, Jan 08It's nice to hear you mention that about repurposing adult products, because some of us vendors keep that in mine when making these. I give my products a seamless UV with the purpose that it can be reused with other shaders for less adult purposes. E.g., sticky fingers of one type can be replaced with an ice cream shader and now it's a dripping ice cream cone. I do that myself a lot, so it's nice to hear that other people do that too.
dirtrider00
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Wed, Jan 08Definitely!
Tubing, pans, buckets, syringes, funnels, tennis and baseball pitching, serving machines, game show items, d-force condoms, and even sticky fingers type products. I could go on. Most can be used straight out of the box while some will need some retexturing or a bit of tinkering with dforce settings but all can be used in a non adult environment.
Tubing, pans, buckets, syringes, funnels, tennis and baseball pitching, serving machines, game show items, d-force condoms, and even sticky fingers type products. I could go on. Most can be used straight out of the box while some will need some retexturing or a bit of tinkering with dforce settings but all can be used in a non adult environment.
Nobody is forced to give a rating.
As a CC myself, I know that often not only a lot of work and time goes into a product, but also hopes and dreams. That's why I do it this way: If I can't give a product at least 4 stars, I don't rate it at all.
In my opinion, this is the fairest way to treat everyone who puts work, love and dreams into their products. But it's also fair to those I don't rate, as the lack of ratings can make some people think and improve. And last but not least, it is also fair to myself - after all, who appointed me as the great Zampano judge and assessor of the quality of a product?
As a CC myself, I know that often not only a lot of work and time goes into a product, but also hopes and dreams. That's why I do it this way: If I can't give a product at least 4 stars, I don't rate it at all.
In my opinion, this is the fairest way to treat everyone who puts work, love and dreams into their products. But it's also fair to those I don't rate, as the lack of ratings can make some people think and improve. And last but not least, it is also fair to myself - after all, who appointed me as the great Zampano judge and assessor of the quality of a product?
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MKDAWUSS
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Tue, Jan 07True, no one's forced to give one, but it can be a nice courtesy to give an opinion for both the producer and other prospective consumers.
Yeah, no reviews can be seen as a review of its own type.
Yeah, no reviews can be seen as a review of its own type.
Oh, I'm so behind with my reviews. Really have to sit down and write some.
So for everyone who's waiting for a review, sorry, but sometimes life comes in between.
As Pushee-Ri wrote, if I can't give a good review I rather write nothing at all, but this case I had only once in all the time here.
To all, that are waiting, just relax, it's not your product.
I think, it's just fair to write at least a little thank you, when it's a freebie. Just to give back a little bit for the work and time someone spent, to create something and give it away for free.
And heaven, here are freebies so amazing good, that it makes me wonder, why people don't sell the things.
So for everyone who's waiting for a review, sorry, but sometimes life comes in between.
As Pushee-Ri wrote, if I can't give a good review I rather write nothing at all, but this case I had only once in all the time here.
To all, that are waiting, just relax, it's not your product.
I think, it's just fair to write at least a little thank you, when it's a freebie. Just to give back a little bit for the work and time someone spent, to create something and give it away for free.
And heaven, here are freebies so amazing good, that it makes me wonder, why people don't sell the things.
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I feel that
I'm thinking I'm going to make a challenge of it for myself
by making one off stuff that will use up all six slots of renderhub links available in the gallery upload
It'll force me to think a bit but that's a bonus
I'm thinking I'm going to make a challenge of it for myself
by making one off stuff that will use up all six slots of renderhub links available in the gallery upload
It'll force me to think a bit but that's a bonus
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MKDAWUSS
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Wed, Jan 08I've done that several times, and it can be very easy for me to go past all 6 slots (which is why I have asked to raise the cap before). 
I've also done a few using products only found here (at least at the time of production, since vendors come and go)
I've also done a few using products only found here (at least at the time of production, since vendors come and go)
I'm in the camp that believes online reviews are about the same as what we all expect on social media. I'm also of the opinion that there are way too many opinions to be heard or read, and there is way too much expectation of getting feedback for something we present. Yes, all the world's a stage and we are merely players...... but that's not automatically a good thing. It's also not automatically a good thing for literally anyone who has access to a keyboard, to be able to participate in any sort of ongoing media.
Anyway, if one person buys something I have made, the assumption is that there's either a want or a need. That's good enough for me. I don't need for someone to leave a "five star review" on a pair of earrings I modeled in Blender back in 2014 *shrug*
Now this isn't the same thing as something like constructive criticism, and that has gone the way of the dodo because of a fear of offending someone. I would kill for some constructive criticism these days.....
Anyway, if one person buys something I have made, the assumption is that there's either a want or a need. That's good enough for me. I don't need for someone to leave a "five star review" on a pair of earrings I modeled in Blender back in 2014 *shrug*
Now this isn't the same thing as something like constructive criticism, and that has gone the way of the dodo because of a fear of offending someone. I would kill for some constructive criticism these days.....
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Beautiful Misfits
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Thu, Jan 09> I would kill for some constructive criticism these days.....<<
I know exactly what you mean.
Only that I write not so positive critics in a site mail, but never public, not under a render, not for a product.
And for constructive critics for a render, it depends, I won't do it for everyone, it would become a fulltime job *lol*
But if there are mistakes in my render and someone has an idea how to make it better, I would so like to read it, try it and make it better
I know exactly what you mean.
Only that I write not so positive critics in a site mail, but never public, not under a render, not for a product.
And for constructive critics for a render, it depends, I won't do it for everyone, it would become a fulltime job *lol*
But if there are mistakes in my render and someone has an idea how to make it better, I would so like to read it, try it and make it better
Pushee-Ri
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Thu, Jan 09@Pinspotter:
The forum has a “WIP Projects and Critiquessection. If you have time, desire and a project, you could possibly post there. And if you clearly ask for constructive criticism, you might get some.
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/3d-projects-and-critiques
But honestly - what should one criticize about your projects or pictures? I like them and enjoy looking at them
The forum has a “WIP Projects and Critiquessection. If you have time, desire and a project, you could possibly post there. And if you clearly ask for constructive criticism, you might get some.
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/3d-projects-and-critiques
But honestly - what should one criticize about your projects or pictures? I like them and enjoy looking at them
Pushee-Ri
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Thu, Jan 09Arrgghh!!! I keep forgetting that the machine deletes the space after a quotation mark. That means:
WIP Projects and Critiques section
WIP Projects and Critiques section
MKDAWUSS
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Wed, Jan 22Some I think have a tough time identifying a critic and a hater, as both of them will say something other than "great job!" Once things get going, though, it's easier to identify who is what.
I can be a bit of a critic, though I think I've piped down a bit over the years.
I can be a bit of a critic, though I think I've piped down a bit over the years.
To be honest I wish there were no rating system at all. There's not a rating system out there isn't open to abuse by competitors wanting to damage their competitiors reputation, or by trolls and keyboard warriors sat at home in their mother's basement having nothing better to do.
I think rating systems do more harm than good, and that everywhere that has one would be better-off without it. I for one will be getting a whole bunch of malicious ratings if I were to sell on here. The amount of talentless A.I. worshipping trolls I have following me across the web is something that has to be seen to be believed, so personally I wish they'd remove the rating system completely.
Since the system can be abused so easily, there is in fact no valid reason for it being there anyway. Removing it would remove the problem outlined by the original poster, and it would remove a person's ability to attack a compettitor's sales though falsified, malicious rating practices.
Daz for example uphold themselves as professional, and I don't see a rating system in their store. This is the right decision since it makes it impossible for malicious actors to destroy the sales of a competitor when browsing their store making purchase decisions. We also need to remember that some will rate a product poorly because they genuinely feel that it should be, even though the problem is down to the customer, not the vendor.
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guy91600
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Wed, Jan 22On RenderHub you have to have purchased the product to rate it. This means that troll bots can't rate products or the sponsor actually has money to waste.
For my small 2 cents. I always review something if I enjoy it / like it.
While I understand they can be falsified, abused etc, it is a guideline for people that are looking. It is no different to a restaurants review or an amazon product etc. I want to know what someone else thought before I buy it. If there wasn't reviews there would be no sign of quality or reliability.
In terms of Daz products I have bought a few in various places that I probably wouldn't have if I knew they had conforming issues, texture seams or poor rigging. With a couple I did have to get a refund from Daz, the other store wasn't so kind and refused a refund for a clearly broken model.
RenderHub leaves the store to the artist, there is no vetting or admin input, which we personally adore. But then how do you know that what is being put up is what it seems?
I am willing to give sellers a chance but Daz products for the most part aren't cheap. Spending $10-30 is a gamble I generally am not willing to take. I have bills to pay...
From a sellers perspective it gives us a boost to see someone loved our products. We have a lot of repeat buyers and can see trends in what they like and buy. But to us that seal of a good review means someone has taken the time to publicly say: I like this thing a lot.
I'm not after ass pats and well dones. We enjoy what we do and have people that enjoy our work.
We are here on RenderHub because of the way the site is run. It is a fair playing field for all. We were nothing when we came here after being downtrodden on another site. But in the almost two years we have been here have been able to flourish thanks to the community.
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In short I like reviews as a buyer and a seller. If a product doesn't meet a standard people need to be aware of it, however if it was enjoyed it is a nice thing to see that people have taken the time to say. I love this.
I don't feel reviews are the place for constructive criticism. Being told our model is: too fat, a bit small for someone's liking or would be better if it came with hair and an outfit or not femine enough is the kind of crap we had on the other store.
Save it for Deviant Art or a forum built for it. Does the product meet the required needs and does it work.
Reviews should be about product quality and usefulness.
But it is my opinion and it doesn't have to matter, because that is all it is x
Asha
While I understand they can be falsified, abused etc, it is a guideline for people that are looking. It is no different to a restaurants review or an amazon product etc. I want to know what someone else thought before I buy it. If there wasn't reviews there would be no sign of quality or reliability.
In terms of Daz products I have bought a few in various places that I probably wouldn't have if I knew they had conforming issues, texture seams or poor rigging. With a couple I did have to get a refund from Daz, the other store wasn't so kind and refused a refund for a clearly broken model.
RenderHub leaves the store to the artist, there is no vetting or admin input, which we personally adore. But then how do you know that what is being put up is what it seems?
I am willing to give sellers a chance but Daz products for the most part aren't cheap. Spending $10-30 is a gamble I generally am not willing to take. I have bills to pay...
From a sellers perspective it gives us a boost to see someone loved our products. We have a lot of repeat buyers and can see trends in what they like and buy. But to us that seal of a good review means someone has taken the time to publicly say: I like this thing a lot.
I'm not after ass pats and well dones. We enjoy what we do and have people that enjoy our work.
We are here on RenderHub because of the way the site is run. It is a fair playing field for all. We were nothing when we came here after being downtrodden on another site. But in the almost two years we have been here have been able to flourish thanks to the community.
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In short I like reviews as a buyer and a seller. If a product doesn't meet a standard people need to be aware of it, however if it was enjoyed it is a nice thing to see that people have taken the time to say. I love this.
I don't feel reviews are the place for constructive criticism. Being told our model is: too fat, a bit small for someone's liking or would be better if it came with hair and an outfit or not femine enough is the kind of crap we had on the other store.
Save it for Deviant Art or a forum built for it. Does the product meet the required needs and does it work.
Reviews should be about product quality and usefulness.
But it is my opinion and it doesn't have to matter, because that is all it is x
Asha
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MKDAWUSS
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Thu, Jan 23"In terms of Daz products I have bought a few in various places that I probably wouldn't have if I knew they had conforming issues, texture seams or poor rigging."
I think that's happened to all of us at least once. Sometimes it's hidden well in the promos, other times you realize it when you start to run it through various acts and functions. Sometimes you can work around it, other times not so much.
"I don't feel reviews are the place for constructive criticism."
Given that reviews here are final, they somewhat can't be - delivering a review for a previous iteration of a product may or may not help a prospective purchaser of the updated version.
"Being told our model is: too fat, a bit small for someone's liking or would be better if it came with hair and an outfit or not (feminine) enough is the kind of crap we had on the other store."
For me, something like that would fall under personal preferences and not really subject to how I review a product. I would maybe make a brief note about it - height and morphs can make an impact when it comes to outfits and posing, after all - but some models are designed to be short, tall, skinny, chubby, athletic, stylized, etc.
I think that's happened to all of us at least once. Sometimes it's hidden well in the promos, other times you realize it when you start to run it through various acts and functions. Sometimes you can work around it, other times not so much.
"I don't feel reviews are the place for constructive criticism."
Given that reviews here are final, they somewhat can't be - delivering a review for a previous iteration of a product may or may not help a prospective purchaser of the updated version.
"Being told our model is: too fat, a bit small for someone's liking or would be better if it came with hair and an outfit or not (feminine) enough is the kind of crap we had on the other store."
For me, something like that would fall under personal preferences and not really subject to how I review a product. I would maybe make a brief note about it - height and morphs can make an impact when it comes to outfits and posing, after all - but some models are designed to be short, tall, skinny, chubby, athletic, stylized, etc.
