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GLBGraffiti Contest Winners Announced!
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mrtauredMon, Jun 02
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The results are in, and the winners are...
RIGHT HERE
Congratulations to the winners, and thank you to everyone who participated.
There were so many amazing submissions, and it was fun to see what everyone came up with.
Winners will be contacted soon for the distribution of prizes.
If you haven't seen it yet, the next contest is already underway. Hope to see you there!
Thank you all for participating in the RenderHub community.
RIGHT HERE
Congratulations to the winners, and thank you to everyone who participated.
There were so many amazing submissions, and it was fun to see what everyone came up with.
Winners will be contacted soon for the distribution of prizes.
If you haven't seen it yet, the next contest is already underway. Hope to see you there!
Thank you all for participating in the RenderHub community.
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So, Renderhub does have the right to review and basically go over the winners entries, and you have exercised that right a couple of times before, once during the FIRST graffiti contest, and again during the Art of Light contest, so I hope you exercise those rights again here.
To sum up the reason why, these images are all of "RENDERHUB" graffiti taglines that were generated via GPT's DALLE image generator.
Now, I will not point any fingers. But I asked that anyone who sees this comment of mine go to the winners of the Graffiti Contest 2 and find all the ones that look similar to, or are the same as these generated images.
As far as I am certain, many of the taglines look disingenuous, and none of them show proof that their tags were ever drawn, just proof that the 3D scene was built.
How did "judges" (plural by the way, implying that the winners were chosen as a team effort) let so many AI tags slip in as winners?
Also, how did so many people NOT READ THE RULES?
This was a GRAFFITI contest, so the artwork should've been top priority - hell - it should've been a requirement to have proof of authorship on the graffiti drawing or modeling (since some entries 3D modeled their tags).
Again, all images below originated from DALLE:
To sum up the reason why, these images are all of "RENDERHUB" graffiti taglines that were generated via GPT's DALLE image generator.
Now, I will not point any fingers. But I asked that anyone who sees this comment of mine go to the winners of the Graffiti Contest 2 and find all the ones that look similar to, or are the same as these generated images.
As far as I am certain, many of the taglines look disingenuous, and none of them show proof that their tags were ever drawn, just proof that the 3D scene was built.
How did "judges" (plural by the way, implying that the winners were chosen as a team effort) let so many AI tags slip in as winners?
Also, how did so many people NOT READ THE RULES?
This was a GRAFFITI contest, so the artwork should've been top priority - hell - it should've been a requirement to have proof of authorship on the graffiti drawing or modeling (since some entries 3D modeled their tags).
Again, all images below originated from DALLE:
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I seriously hope you don't just brush past this.
You didn't do so the last time AI was used, so I hope you don't this time.
The winner choices need to be reevaluated. To clarify, not all of them are suspicious, just the ones that look similar to these generated tags mentioned.
You didn't do so the last time AI was used, so I hope you don't this time.
The winner choices need to be reevaluated. To clarify, not all of them are suspicious, just the ones that look similar to these generated tags mentioned.
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mrtaured
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Thu, May 29Yep. Lots of cash grabbers that dont give a shit about renderhub.
Maybe we should be the judges. I dont trust outside sources and this is why. Brush? pff. Try leaping. This is why I also suggested a separate contest line based on karma points. 5000 plus entry level, and then a 10,000 plus entry level. There are a few genuine artists that don't use AI and actually frequent renderhub and we can all see that genuinely and I'd love to watch them go head-to-head. Even give them a run for their money myself. haha. They also only use photoshop or gimp.
Which leads me to my next point. Take post work away and watch em scatter lol.
Maybe we should be the judges. I dont trust outside sources and this is why. Brush? pff. Try leaping. This is why I also suggested a separate contest line based on karma points. 5000 plus entry level, and then a 10,000 plus entry level. There are a few genuine artists that don't use AI and actually frequent renderhub and we can all see that genuinely and I'd love to watch them go head-to-head. Even give them a run for their money myself. haha. They also only use photoshop or gimp.
Which leads me to my next point. Take post work away and watch em scatter lol.
dirtrider00
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Fri, May 30Haha at "cash grabbers"! Pretty much my first thought when I looked at the winning and honorable mentions with a few exceptions. Can't really blame them though cause its potentially easy money.
In terms of the contest itself without actually knowing if it has outside sponsors, etc, etc.. I'd scrap the cash payout and offer store vouchers instead. Require say a minimum of 2 Renderhub products and get back to good ole sci-fi, fantasy, slice of life themes. Pretty sure that would weed out the "cash grabbers" while incentivizing Renderhubs rank and file to participate more while also helping to support the vendors that sell here.
I'm actually fine with the judges, especially if its people like Foxy3D and such. I think if you let us be the judges it might turn into a popularity contest.
I laughed at removing post work! I'm a purist at heart. Might be taking it a little far. Though thinking on it, might be prudent to show the steps involved with your post work. I couldn't but I'm sure people in the know could tell if those steps produced the intended outcome.
Anyways, that's my 2 cents....5$ view.
In terms of the contest itself without actually knowing if it has outside sponsors, etc, etc.. I'd scrap the cash payout and offer store vouchers instead. Require say a minimum of 2 Renderhub products and get back to good ole sci-fi, fantasy, slice of life themes. Pretty sure that would weed out the "cash grabbers" while incentivizing Renderhubs rank and file to participate more while also helping to support the vendors that sell here.
I'm actually fine with the judges, especially if its people like Foxy3D and such. I think if you let us be the judges it might turn into a popularity contest.
I laughed at removing post work! I'm a purist at heart. Might be taking it a little far. Though thinking on it, might be prudent to show the steps involved with your post work. I couldn't but I'm sure people in the know could tell if those steps produced the intended outcome.
Anyways, that's my 2 cents....5$ view.
Anabran
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Fri, May 30As store voucher would be useless to those of us who have modeling rigging & animation skills thus have no need to redeem a voucher for content.
Any notion that these contests need to be restricted to established long time members with high Karma points sounds exactly like the exclusive cultist mentality that has turned the Renderosity /poser community into a dour nostalgia graveyard.
Any notion that these contests need to be restricted to established long time members with high Karma points sounds exactly like the exclusive cultist mentality that has turned the Renderosity /poser community into a dour nostalgia graveyard.
dirtrider00
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Fri, May 30I agree on the karma. Despite being a hobbiest for 20 years, Renderhubs the first community I've actually participated in for close to 2 years now and only started uploading images at Foxy3D's encouragement. I can see how some long time users could have a low karma rating if all they do is buy and or sell products.
I have the utmost respect for the modelers, riggers, and animators. Wish I had the desire to learn at least some modeling cause I've been wanting a good rigged baseball glove for G8 for years. I still stand by the vouchers though. I'd rather support the artists, hobbiest, those that like to fart around, modelers, riggers, and animators that are buying and or selling their products here. It is a store after all, one I rely on and would like to support and keep alive for as long as we can in these days.
Its all a moot point though without knowing the details of how the events are actually set up.
I have the utmost respect for the modelers, riggers, and animators. Wish I had the desire to learn at least some modeling cause I've been wanting a good rigged baseball glove for G8 for years. I still stand by the vouchers though. I'd rather support the artists, hobbiest, those that like to fart around, modelers, riggers, and animators that are buying and or selling their products here. It is a store after all, one I rely on and would like to support and keep alive for as long as we can in these days.
Its all a moot point though without knowing the details of how the events are actually set up.
mrtaured
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Mon, Jun 02I may have forgot to mention that I meant don't take away the original contests. Let randoms enter those as they wish. I was saying to open up a long-time user contests here and there that has a karma buy in. I may not have made that clear. Ive mentioned this before in other post. Keep the contests rolling but add different side gigs or something for long time users. It's also a passive way to push users to post art and more content. In no way did I ever mean to take away. just add to. 
A lot of people be angry but there are many solutions, mine is just suggestive. I congratulated the winner and moved on. I just think it would be epic to see vets go at it. Or some way to make that a thing. Im a gladiator guy, not a cultist hahaha LET US FIGHT! haha
A lot of people be angry but there are many solutions, mine is just suggestive. I congratulated the winner and moved on. I just think it would be epic to see vets go at it. Or some way to make that a thing. Im a gladiator guy, not a cultist hahaha LET US FIGHT! hahaYou have a lot.. A LOT.. of people who trust in your judges to make good decisions with picking a potential winner. What RUINS that trust is when you choose renders that contain AI artwork within even though one of the rules state "NO GENERATIVE AI OF ANY KIND." This contests needs a second review and a redo, as well as an apology.
I do NOT wanna read that the AI tags are okay because of some technicality such as "oh, that's fine because at least the render itself didn't have AI work done on it, so the drawings of the tag are fine." NO. It's NOT fine, a lot of REAL artists lost out on one of 11 prizes to AI. Between 4-6 of those prizes to be exact.
I do NOT wanna read that the AI tags are okay because of some technicality such as "oh, that's fine because at least the render itself didn't have AI work done on it, so the drawings of the tag are fine." NO. It's NOT fine, a lot of REAL artists lost out on one of 11 prizes to AI. Between 4-6 of those prizes to be exact.
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bonj
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Sun, May 18I agree. More scrutiny and clearer rules defining exactly what is wanted as well as not accepted for each event needs to be custom.
I know I refer back to reflections again but it's an example of defining the event clearly. A reflection event should be judged on real reflections.
Graffiti should be judged similarly. Real graffiti, I cheated in the image bellow by using a font but the rest was done in PS. Using AI to generate the graffiti in a graffiti event.... well that's just lazy and an insult to everyone including renderhub.
I know I refer back to reflections again but it's an example of defining the event clearly. A reflection event should be judged on real reflections.
Graffiti should be judged similarly. Real graffiti, I cheated in the image bellow by using a font but the rest was done in PS. Using AI to generate the graffiti in a graffiti event.... well that's just lazy and an insult to everyone including renderhub.
JohnnyLuck777
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Sun, May 18I agree that it's totally wrong to use AI in a contest that says it's not allowed. But when it comes to textures used on a model, how do you know for sure?
Even you don't know for sure, because you said "Between 4-6 of those prizes to be exact". Well, "between 4-6" is NOT "exact".
Even you don't know for sure, because you said "Between 4-6 of those prizes to be exact". Well, "between 4-6" is NOT "exact".
JohnnyLuck777
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Sun, May 18The graffiti tags are graphics created in some manner. Those things become textures on the model, do they not?
gh0stttt
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Thu, May 22Hey Johnny, I don't mean to bother you, I just wanna show you my recent message about this situation.
I haven't followed this event.
I'm still pissed off I spent so many hours custom building something unique pushing myself and neglecting other projects to then watch an off the shelf daz product take the prize last time. Not even a mention after putting so much effort into a complete sculpted character.
Then there's the reflections event. You asked for a reflections contest and I gave you so many worthy entries with fully rendered reflections. Yet all you really wanted was some Photoshop images. In engine reflections had nothing to do with the event when several of the winners were just two renders put together in PS. You would think the name renderhub would mean that entries would actually be renders of reflections and that would matter. Was it an art competition or a render competition?
This is very confusing as well as making me think it doesn't matter if the work is a genuine render or just faked. I'm not having a go at the artist here it's the misunderstanding about the rules. post work is fine but where is the limit ? I think the rules should be more specific for each event clearly stating weather a reflection should be real or not would stop me being bitter. I'm almost over it XD 2 day renders when I could have photoshopped a similar result in an hour.
The technical ability in that event was capturing the real reflections.
I was so frustrated I pulled images offline and Fortunately sold two of my pieces. They are now on canvas hanging on a customers wall.
You say technical ability and creativity will be judged but quite obviously It makes no difference from what I can tell. I ask this question. Is my work crap? is Kaolin a custom character really that crap? Honestly some days i feel like giving up and walking dogs for a living.
Fortunately I have more success offline and my work is now in several galleries, (well it was until it sold). I have some commissions keeping me busy with 5 images currently going to print on A5 canvas for a client in London.
Renderhub you have a unique place right now, still growing and gaining momentum. I applaud you and encourage both renderhub and the community. Stand strong against AI and you will benefit from being a place we can trust and invest into. Lets be honest this is a symbiotic relationship between renderhub and the artist model makers and developers that reside here. We are in this together.
Even though many will hate me for saying this. A competition should be something you are proud to win. As it stands today if I won an event here I would celebrate the money. nothing more. I wouldn't tell people I won anything as there is no prestige in winning an event here. I find this very sad.
I'm not just having a go at you renderhub, I see this across the spectrum and it's because social media moves so fast things have become so disposable. It's always been the same with art, example being a banana winning a prize and being worth millions.
Can we have a thread opened to discus ideas for competitions where we can make suggestions and be constructive. Lets work together more and maybe even factor in some community feedback or voting. A place we can suggest events or even post our own mini events for people to win products? Suggestions like choose 3 members from the community to be judges and change them every event. There's a lot that can be done so maybe a new thread about future events would be constructive. We do appreciate your events as there is not much like them. We can make them even better.
Renderhub gets so much right and I like and respect the staff. They listen and help if they can. Perhaps we can tighten up these events. make them hard and challenging , scrutinize every entry. Turn these events into such a high standard they wont seem so much like a lottery.
I'm still pissed off I spent so many hours custom building something unique pushing myself and neglecting other projects to then watch an off the shelf daz product take the prize last time. Not even a mention after putting so much effort into a complete sculpted character.
Then there's the reflections event. You asked for a reflections contest and I gave you so many worthy entries with fully rendered reflections. Yet all you really wanted was some Photoshop images. In engine reflections had nothing to do with the event when several of the winners were just two renders put together in PS. You would think the name renderhub would mean that entries would actually be renders of reflections and that would matter. Was it an art competition or a render competition?
This is very confusing as well as making me think it doesn't matter if the work is a genuine render or just faked. I'm not having a go at the artist here it's the misunderstanding about the rules. post work is fine but where is the limit ? I think the rules should be more specific for each event clearly stating weather a reflection should be real or not would stop me being bitter. I'm almost over it XD 2 day renders when I could have photoshopped a similar result in an hour.
The technical ability in that event was capturing the real reflections.
I was so frustrated I pulled images offline and Fortunately sold two of my pieces. They are now on canvas hanging on a customers wall.
You say technical ability and creativity will be judged but quite obviously It makes no difference from what I can tell. I ask this question. Is my work crap? is Kaolin a custom character really that crap? Honestly some days i feel like giving up and walking dogs for a living.
Fortunately I have more success offline and my work is now in several galleries, (well it was until it sold). I have some commissions keeping me busy with 5 images currently going to print on A5 canvas for a client in London.
Renderhub you have a unique place right now, still growing and gaining momentum. I applaud you and encourage both renderhub and the community. Stand strong against AI and you will benefit from being a place we can trust and invest into. Lets be honest this is a symbiotic relationship between renderhub and the artist model makers and developers that reside here. We are in this together.
Even though many will hate me for saying this. A competition should be something you are proud to win. As it stands today if I won an event here I would celebrate the money. nothing more. I wouldn't tell people I won anything as there is no prestige in winning an event here. I find this very sad.
I'm not just having a go at you renderhub, I see this across the spectrum and it's because social media moves so fast things have become so disposable. It's always been the same with art, example being a banana winning a prize and being worth millions.
Can we have a thread opened to discus ideas for competitions where we can make suggestions and be constructive. Lets work together more and maybe even factor in some community feedback or voting. A place we can suggest events or even post our own mini events for people to win products? Suggestions like choose 3 members from the community to be judges and change them every event. There's a lot that can be done so maybe a new thread about future events would be constructive. We do appreciate your events as there is not much like them. We can make them even better.
Renderhub gets so much right and I like and respect the staff. They listen and help if they can. Perhaps we can tighten up these events. make them hard and challenging , scrutinize every entry. Turn these events into such a high standard they wont seem so much like a lottery.
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guy91600
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Sun, May 18" A place we can suggest events or even post our own mini events for people to win products? "
This has already been done, the first one was organized by Foxy3D in April or May 2023, AshenPortfolio organized one in July 2023, Dieggo Masamune in September 2023, HannesW in October 2023, AshenPortfolio organized a second one in July 2024, pushee-ri organized one a few months ago and GrapeJuice3D in March 2025
This has already been done, the first one was organized by Foxy3D in April or May 2023, AshenPortfolio organized one in July 2023, Dieggo Masamune in September 2023, HannesW in October 2023, AshenPortfolio organized a second one in July 2024, pushee-ri organized one a few months ago and GrapeJuice3D in March 2025
the joker of spades
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Sun, May 18I understand you very well, after the one about reflexes I stopped participating for a while and honestly I'm no longer interested, I remember, the woman with the jade on her head was a fantastic work, I was disappointed that it wasn't awarded, almost more than for mine, but as long as the rules are confusing, they managed to award a work entirely redone in AI without realizing it, and it's not clear who votes and on what basis, I won't waste any more time on long and demanding works.
I think you are making a valid point ghosttt. I never really focused on the 2D logo slapped on the wall, but rather the design and assembly of the 3D render. Things like lighting, camera placement, composition.
But yah, this is an art contest for creating a 3D focusing on graphitti, actual custom made work should be rewarded.
If AI was used, then the rules were broken. Not complicated to do the right thing.
But yah, this is an art contest for creating a 3D focusing on graphitti, actual custom made work should be rewarded.
If AI was used, then the rules were broken. Not complicated to do the right thing.
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gh0stttt
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Sun, May 18Exactly! And I understand if none of them were very knowledgeable on what AI can and can't do, this just feels like an honest mistake, but the fact that it's THIS severe is why I'm choosing to keep pushing for a redo of the votes. More than 1 render had AI in it, and even 1 is too many.
JohnnyLuck777
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Sun, May 18Tenserknot - I agree, and that's what I did. I suspected many used AI, but I couldn't tell for sure. So I just focused on the things you mentioned, and some of those are great!
JohnnyLuck777
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Sun, May 18gh0stttt - As I said above, I agree that it's totally wrong to use AI in a contest that says it's not allowed. But what are you asking Renderhub or the judges to do here?
How can you have a "redo of the votes"? What are they gonna do? Ask every single participant to submit a video of their creation process of the textures that are already created? You can't go running around disqualifying entries based on suspicion. You need proof.
Yeah, this is a tricky situation and it sucks. But really - what can realistically be done here?
How can you have a "redo of the votes"? What are they gonna do? Ask every single participant to submit a video of their creation process of the textures that are already created? You can't go running around disqualifying entries based on suspicion. You need proof.
Yeah, this is a tricky situation and it sucks. But really - what can realistically be done here?
gh0stttt
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Sun, May 18They should've asked for that in the beginning. It's a GRAFFITI contest, not a graffiti RENDER contest, the graffiti should've been the first thing to prove your authorship of when participating. Yes, I'm sure my suggesting is crazy, but I'm not running off of "suspicion." If you knew enough about AI and were capable enough to know the difference between what's human and what's AI, you'd know I'm not suspicious, I'm absolutely sure of what I'm calling out here.
This isn't tricky to me.
This isn't tricky to me.
JohnnyLuck777
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Mon, May 19I'm not trying to be difficult here, because I do agree with you. But the contest rules do say "Final rendered image of your graffiti scene featuring the tag RenderHub". So yeah, it's a render contest.
And I don't think you're crazy. But what exactly is your suggestion? How would that play out, realistically?
And I don't think you're crazy. But what exactly is your suggestion? How would that play out, realistically?
JohnnyLuck777
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Mon, May 19"I'm absolutely sure of what I'm calling out here"
This is what I'm torn about. How can you be absolutely sure, and how do you prove it? In other contests, people have called out cheating with undeniable proof. I haven't seen any of that here.
This is what I'm torn about. How can you be absolutely sure, and how do you prove it? In other contests, people have called out cheating with undeniable proof. I haven't seen any of that here.
DoroThee237
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Mon, May 19I participated in the first Graffiti Contest, and I used one of my photos for the graffiti.
Do you think I cheated in that contest?
If I had participated in the second Graffiti Contest, using a photo, do you think I would have cheated in that second contest?
Do you think I cheated in that contest?
If I had participated in the second Graffiti Contest, using a photo, do you think I would have cheated in that second contest?
gh0stttt
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Mon, May 19I looked up your entry just now.
So, if you yourself made that with your genuine art skill, then no, I would not think you cheated, you did the work. Also, I'm not saying AI art generations are new, it's been here since 2014. But that graffiti contest took place before AI became popular enough to become a major issue for workers, both contract and freelance, due to its advanced capabilities, so again, no. Also, I confidently doubt AI can replicate or even try to copy what you made. I shared example images of what taglines made by AI look like, and none of them look like yours. I also wasn't accusing you of using AI, nor am I accusing EVERY entry of having AI generations in their entries, I'm not just throwing out accusations.
So, if you yourself made that with your genuine art skill, then no, I would not think you cheated, you did the work. Also, I'm not saying AI art generations are new, it's been here since 2014. But that graffiti contest took place before AI became popular enough to become a major issue for workers, both contract and freelance, due to its advanced capabilities, so again, no. Also, I confidently doubt AI can replicate or even try to copy what you made. I shared example images of what taglines made by AI look like, and none of them look like yours. I also wasn't accusing you of using AI, nor am I accusing EVERY entry of having AI generations in their entries, I'm not just throwing out accusations.
DoroThee237
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Mon, May 19The overall idea of my post was also to advance the debate on what can be used in a contest:
a photo taken by the participant
an image found on the internet
an AI-generated image
my contest entry using a photo (first Graffiti Contest)
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/2137/graffiti-contest-04
a photo taken by the participant
an image found on the internet
an AI-generated image
my contest entry using a photo (first Graffiti Contest)
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/2137/graffiti-contest-04
gh0stttt
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Mon, May 19Pretty much, if it was made by a human being, it's okay. Also, if the image was made by you, it's good. In the many render contests RH has done, many participants have used models and photos created by other people for their renders. Keyword: PEOPLE.
I get that rules need to be clearer, but it doesn't get any clearer than "No generative AI of any kind is allowed." That's something everyone should understand immediately, and to those that don't understand what that means... well, Good luck, Charlie.
I get that rules need to be clearer, but it doesn't get any clearer than "No generative AI of any kind is allowed." That's something everyone should understand immediately, and to those that don't understand what that means... well, Good luck, Charlie.
I TOLD YOU!! I KNEW I WASN'T JUST TALKING OUT OF MY... well, you know.
The render itself is fine, but it's the TAGLINE I was talking about!
Now that we have a confession, I also wanna point your attention to this.
Notice how similar they look? This is no coincidence. And ALSO, look at the first letter R in all of them, they look slightly different, but they keep the same structure everytime.
A regular hand isn't the only thing AI can't do- they can't do a convincing human looking graffiti tag either.
This can NOT go unnoticed and without consequences. We need a redo of the votes! NO GENERATIVE AI OF ANY KIND IS ALLOWED, AS THE RULES STATE! This should NOT be an exception! And it is NOT FAIR to those that drew their own tags! NONE OF IT IS!
The render itself is fine, but it's the TAGLINE I was talking about!
Now that we have a confession, I also wanna point your attention to this.
Notice how similar they look? This is no coincidence. And ALSO, look at the first letter R in all of them, they look slightly different, but they keep the same structure everytime.
A regular hand isn't the only thing AI can't do- they can't do a convincing human looking graffiti tag either.
This can NOT go unnoticed and without consequences. We need a redo of the votes! NO GENERATIVE AI OF ANY KIND IS ALLOWED, AS THE RULES STATE! This should NOT be an exception! And it is NOT FAIR to those that drew their own tags! NONE OF IT IS!
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Beautiful MisfitsFri, May 23
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*wow* so it came with the statement that AI was used and still?
Hallooooooooo Renderhub, how about some action here please.
Strict NO-AI ... or is it just hot air and nothing more?
Hallooooooooo Renderhub, how about some action here please.
Strict NO-AI ... or is it just hot air and nothing more?
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Quote:Strict NO-AI ... or is it just hot air and nothing more?.
As person who is embraces AI, as a time saving tool, I think in the case of this Graffiti Art contest it seems very clear that no generative AI of any kind was allowed which would include textures placed on wall that have AI graffiti art in them.
The graffiti "tag" in this case was, central to the theme of the contest!!
More so than just some AI generated random concrete texture on the ground etc.
If these contest results are not voided
then Renderhub needs to STOP PANDERING to the No AI crowd ,as they will have ZERO credibility in their claims of "supporting human artists"
VOID IT NOW!!
As person who is embraces AI, as a time saving tool, I think in the case of this Graffiti Art contest it seems very clear that no generative AI of any kind was allowed which would include textures placed on wall that have AI graffiti art in them.
The graffiti "tag" in this case was, central to the theme of the contest!!
More so than just some AI generated random concrete texture on the ground etc.
If these contest results are not voided
then Renderhub needs to STOP PANDERING to the No AI crowd ,as they will have ZERO credibility in their claims of "supporting human artists"
VOID IT NOW!!
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Honestly, if this gets ignored and the payout was already done, I'm spreading this situation to every website I can manage, social media and other forums, because this is ridiculous. No answer or update whatsoever, and everyone here knows that there are fake tags among the winners. ONE EVER ADMITTED TO IT!!
If you haven't already, DO NOT payout until ALL of the winners are proven to be genuine. It shouldn't be this hard. From how I personally see this, this can likely result in a lawsuit for failure to enforce contest rules, should it even HAVE to reach this point.
If you haven't already, DO NOT payout until ALL of the winners are proven to be genuine. It shouldn't be this hard. From how I personally see this, this can likely result in a lawsuit for failure to enforce contest rules, should it even HAVE to reach this point.
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How come, that I get the feeling, that this request is ignored by those, who should answer?
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CONTEST WINNER UPDATE
We want to inform the community that one of the Honorable Mention winners in the Graffiti Contest has been disqualified. This decision was made after the artist voluntarily disclosed that their submission used Generative AI to create the graffiti tag.
As stated in our contest rules, the use of Generative AI is not allowed in any part of a contest entry. This policy reflects our commitment to supporting 3D work made by human creators. While we appreciate the participant's honesty, the rules must be upheld. A new honorable mention has now been selected and posted.
We have also seen your discussions and concerns about other entries that might have used AI. The reality is, while wireframe images can help confirm that a model was created by hand, there is currently no reliable way to verify how a texture (like a graffiti tag) was made unless the artist discloses it. That puts the judges in a difficult position when selecting the winners. It would be unfair to disqualify any winner based on suspicion and without clear proof. As such, the remaining winners will stand.
Moving forward, we'll be exploring ways to improve the fairness and integrity of the contests. That may include additional submission requirements or updated judging guidelines to reflect the challenges presented by Generative AI.
Thank you to everyone who participated in the contest and to those who spoke up with thoughtful feedback. We remain committed to keeping RenderHub contests fair, human-made, and true to the spirit of our creative community.
-The RenderHub Team-
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Quote:The reality is, while wireframe images can help confirm that a model was created by hand….
No….not really.
No….not really.
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Tue, May 27*lol* this is so amazing BAD, cause faker can say what ever they want and will get away with it.
I asked again and again for a wireframe and was told, the one picture is it, but the wireframe would be so dense, that it's hard to see.
Weeeeell, there is PS and the possibility to look closer and that showed clearly, no wireframe.
But with this here, this is a freaking game changer for all who wanna cheat.
Bad, this is soooo bad.
Thanks for the video, what an eye opener.!
I asked again and again for a wireframe and was told, the one picture is it, but the wireframe would be so dense, that it's hard to see.
Weeeeell, there is PS and the possibility to look closer and that showed clearly, no wireframe.
But with this here, this is a freaking game changer for all who wanna cheat.
Bad, this is soooo bad.
Thanks for the video, what an eye opener.!
Why are you ignoring me?! All the evidence?! Are you out of your minds?!
Yes, good for you for getting the one guy out, BUT YOU'RE IGNORING THE OTHER FAKE TAGS JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T ALSO ADMIT IT!!
Yes, good for you for getting the one guy out, BUT YOU'RE IGNORING THE OTHER FAKE TAGS JUST BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T ALSO ADMIT IT!!
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zoooo
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Tue, May 27dude! you are pretty talented, and you did an awesome tag! just let this go. these contests are held to help us better ourselves and improve our skills. They (renderhub) have the right to not even hold these contests, but they do anyway.
Just focus on the next contest and create an awesome piece. All these isn't worth it. Anyway, goodluck.
Just focus on the next contest and create an awesome piece. All these isn't worth it. Anyway, goodluck.
gh0stttt
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Tue, May 27Yeah, that's probably for the best... I just want honesty and integrity, that's it. It just sucks that real artists get pushed out by AI prompts, but that's nothing I haven't already said a gazillion times already.
At least you and the other big two folks won.
At least you and the other big two folks won.
Beautiful Misfits
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Wed, May 28@zoooo
Not worth it?
If we let this go trough, that AI is used and people will win (and have won) with the use of AI, then I don't see the a reason, when renderhub even should write into the rules, that the use of AI is strictly forbidden.
The claim, renderhub will protect human work and won't accept AI is nothing more than a phony statement.
For heavens sake, I've seen videos made with the help of AI here, I've seen render modified with AI and all I see is praise about, oh how good, oh how wonderful.
Yes, I know, I could report, but nope, I won't. I just look and see, how AI is more and more taking over this page as well.
Not worth it?
If we let this go trough, that AI is used and people will win (and have won) with the use of AI, then I don't see the a reason, when renderhub even should write into the rules, that the use of AI is strictly forbidden.
The claim, renderhub will protect human work and won't accept AI is nothing more than a phony statement.
For heavens sake, I've seen videos made with the help of AI here, I've seen render modified with AI and all I see is praise about, oh how good, oh how wonderful.
Yes, I know, I could report, but nope, I won't. I just look and see, how AI is more and more taking over this page as well.
Tenserknot
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Wed, May 28I also thought this was a NO AI site and so when I saw a particularly good image I commented on the realism which I thought was achieved using 3D tools. Now that I know it was AI enhanced, that is much less impressive. It is not artistry it is machine manipulation. Renderosity is full of AI generated crapolla. So yes it does matter if this site markets itself as different. .
Beautiful Misfits
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Wed, May 28Forget it with NO AI here, it's a joke, a bad joke.
This contestant wrote that he/she used AI
Anymore questions?
No AI, such a lie!
This contestant wrote that he/she used AI
Anymore questions?
No AI, such a lie!
JohnnyLuck777
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Wed, May 28Yes, the screenshot shows that they used Ai - Adobe Illustrator. You're the one making the joke, right?
Beautiful Misfits
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Wed, May 28Ok, my bad, since I don't have it, not even knew about it.
No reason to be unfriendly, just explain (what you did now) and it's good.
No reason to be unfriendly, just explain (what you did now) and it's good.
guy91600
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Wed, May 28Look closely at the screenshots added on May 1st by this person who is in second place
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10415/one-small-step-for-man-one-giant-leap-for-renderhub
Now I understand better that some participants are a little.... how to express it nicely? angry, disappointed?
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10415/one-small-step-for-man-one-giant-leap-for-renderhub
Now I understand better that some participants are a little.... how to express it nicely? angry, disappointed?
JohnnyLuck777
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Wed, May 28Beautiful Misfits - Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as unfriendly. It's just that there's enough complaining as it is. We don't need people trying to expose problems that don't exist.
I'll try to say this as friendly as possible: In the future, if you're going to try to call someone out with *their own screenshot*, it would be a good idea if you understood what that screenshot was.
I'll try to say this as friendly as possible: In the future, if you're going to try to call someone out with *their own screenshot*, it would be a good idea if you understood what that screenshot was.
JohnnyLuck777
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Wed, May 28guy91600 - What do you mean? Are you referring to their use of "Ai" - as in, Adobe Illustrator?
zoooo
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Thu, May 29@JohnnyLuck777 thanks for responding on my behalf.
@Beautiful Misfits you immediately jump to attack the credibility of my work because I tried to pacify someone else? (pathetic)
@guy91600 you even link my work trying to discredit me, well thanks for the publicity.
I will have you two know that I am not just a hobbyist, I have my master's in architecture, worked as a 2d and 3d graphic and motion designer, for nearly a decade now and I am only 26 years old. So, all your comments are beneath me honestly. I will leave it here. Better yourselves and don't just loiter around forums trying to discredit the work of seasoned artists (which is defamation of course and I could take it up legally).
@Renderhub Admin1 this is a personal attack on me and my work. Calling me out falsely like that should be against the community rules and guidelines.
@Beautiful Misfits you immediately jump to attack the credibility of my work because I tried to pacify someone else? (pathetic)
@guy91600 you even link my work trying to discredit me, well thanks for the publicity.
I will have you two know that I am not just a hobbyist, I have my master's in architecture, worked as a 2d and 3d graphic and motion designer, for nearly a decade now and I am only 26 years old. So, all your comments are beneath me honestly. I will leave it here. Better yourselves and don't just loiter around forums trying to discredit the work of seasoned artists (which is defamation of course and I could take it up legally).
@Renderhub Admin1 this is a personal attack on me and my work. Calling me out falsely like that should be against the community rules and guidelines.
Beautiful Misfits
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Thu, May 29Oh, and calling someone pathetic is ok?
I wrote >>Ok, my bad, since I don't have it, not even knew about it.<<
but you chose to ignore that.
So who is attacking whom?
And what you are or not don't interests me at all. You could be the king of you-chose-it, I don't care.
At least I can say, that I wasn't unfriendly here for a second, until I got attacked.
Honestly, I wonder if you would talk like that to anyone 3 times your age if you could look into their faces.
I wish, your mother could read, what you wrote here! Serious, I wish!
I wrote >>Ok, my bad, since I don't have it, not even knew about it.<<
but you chose to ignore that.
So who is attacking whom?
And what you are or not don't interests me at all. You could be the king of you-chose-it, I don't care.
At least I can say, that I wasn't unfriendly here for a second, until I got attacked.
Honestly, I wonder if you would talk like that to anyone 3 times your age if you could look into their faces.
I wish, your mother could read, what you wrote here! Serious, I wish!
guy91600
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Thu, May 29@Zoooo
Acknowledge that using an abbreviation such as AI allows for any interpretation. Next time avoid abbreviations and take the 3 seconds to write the words in full letter which will clear all doubt.
Where did you read that I claimed you used artificial intelligence or asked for you to be disqualified?
Acknowledge that using an abbreviation such as AI allows for any interpretation. Next time avoid abbreviations and take the 3 seconds to write the words in full letter which will clear all doubt.
Where did you read that I claimed you used artificial intelligence or asked for you to be disqualified?
zoooo
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Thu, May 29@guy91600 @Beautiful Misfits
You two called me out and I have only responded accordingly, and I do not have the time nor energy for this.
You asked for rain, now you gotta deal with the mud. Good day.
You two called me out and I have only responded accordingly, and I do not have the time nor energy for this.
You asked for rain, now you gotta deal with the mud. Good day.
Beautiful Misfits
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Thu, May 29So, responding accordingly means being rude from your side is ok?
Oh boy, go and run to mommy to cry there, she'll understand her poor little misunderstood boy.
You a pretty new here, not active a all, your gallery is empty and then you wonder, why we are second guessing.
You are such a scam!
And NOW you can feel offended, go and report me, little snowflake!
Grow up and then you can try to talk with us here, other grown ups and not like you unknown snowflake!
And for any admin, feel free to delete my account in case I overstepped it here.
But this is just too much.
Not the first time, that I can see, how unknown people take the right to attack many of us "long citizens of renderhub" and get away with it.
Oh boy, go and run to mommy to cry there, she'll understand her poor little misunderstood boy.
You a pretty new here, not active a all, your gallery is empty and then you wonder, why we are second guessing.
You are such a scam!
And NOW you can feel offended, go and report me, little snowflake!
Grow up and then you can try to talk with us here, other grown ups and not like you unknown snowflake!
And for any admin, feel free to delete my account in case I overstepped it here.
But this is just too much.
Not the first time, that I can see, how unknown people take the right to attack many of us "long citizens of renderhub" and get away with it.
JohnnyLuck777
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Thu, May 29Beautiful Misfits - Are you OK? Seriously?
You started this mess by wrongly accusing somebody. And now you want to escalate the situation because you got called out for doing so?
You started this mess by wrongly accusing somebody. And now you want to escalate the situation because you got called out for doing so?
zoooo
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Fri, May 30lmfao... looks like I struck a nerve. this is getting ridiculous. Comical even. I will be the bigger person here and end this whole thing.
@JohnnyLuck777 Thanks for stepping in but I think we need to end this, so it doesn't get too far.
@JohnnyLuck777 Thanks for stepping in but I think we need to end this, so it doesn't get too far.
DoroThee237
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Fri, May 30@guy91600, @Beautiful Misfits
J'ai mis mon avis en francais pour éviter toute approximation de traduction via un traducteur en ligne peu fiable.
Faites comme zoooo, uploadés vos produits, prenez vos gains, arrétez de participer aux forums concernant les concours puisque vous n'y participez pas ! c'est aux autres participants de monter au crénau. A chacun ses soucis...
J'ai mis mon avis en francais pour éviter toute approximation de traduction via un traducteur en ligne peu fiable.
Faites comme zoooo, uploadés vos produits, prenez vos gains, arrétez de participer aux forums concernant les concours puisque vous n'y participez pas ! c'est aux autres participants de monter au crénau. A chacun ses soucis...
And now we see the difficulty of trying to avoid generative AI going forward
You see I was professional Graphic Designer as well as an animator.
It is NOT the clueless tourists using AI that you will compete against in the marketplace
it is the seasoned professional leveraging AI with traditional tools for increased speed ,productivity
Allow me to demonstrate
Step one:
You see I was professional Graphic Designer as well as an animator.
It is NOT the clueless tourists using AI that you will compete against in the marketplace
it is the seasoned professional leveraging AI with traditional tools for increased speed ,productivity
Allow me to demonstrate
Step one:
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Step two:
convert to vector art (offline or even with an AI that can do such conversions)
convert to vector art (offline or even with an AI that can do such conversions)
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Step three: show
"Original" piece of vector Art in a vector program like Adobe Illustrator
or alternatively my "hand painted "graffiti art
in raster format.
"Original" piece of vector Art in a vector program like Adobe Illustrator
or alternatively my "hand painted "graffiti art
in raster format.
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Step 4:
Alter the original texture map of my prefab Daz prop that I did not create myself anyway.
Alter the original texture map of my prefab Daz prop that I did not create myself anyway.
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So the one guy who I asked if his tag was AI said he'd give the WIP after saying "It's just a contest anyways." I'M STILL WAITING. 50 bucks can NOT be "be dishonest" good, especially in this economy.
People are hilarious.
The fashion contest may or may not be my last contest, the AI rule needs to be more strict, and there needs to be a judge who knows what an AI looks like versus a human.
Also, JohnnyLuck, it is not okay to be rude to Misfits, not every soul on the planet uses Adobe products, me especially. How are they supposed to know AI is also an abbreviation of Adobe Illustrator?
People are hilarious.
The fashion contest may or may not be my last contest, the AI rule needs to be more strict, and there needs to be a judge who knows what an AI looks like versus a human.
Also, JohnnyLuck, it is not okay to be rude to Misfits, not every soul on the planet uses Adobe products, me especially. How are they supposed to know AI is also an abbreviation of Adobe Illustrator?
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Wed, May 28I'm sorry if you thought I was being rude. I wasn't trying to be. It's just a bit exhausting to see people complaining about problems without offering a realistic solution. And now complaining about a non-existent problem.
Quote: the AI rule needs to be more strict, and there needs to be a judge who knows what an AI looks like versus a human.
There is no such person, particularly when it comes to a still graphic.
The best you could do is require actual full length screen recordings of the entire creation process fo a contes entry
Do you expect the Renderhub admins to spend weeks watching
hours of videos just so they can give away thousands of dollars?
not likely.
There is no such person, particularly when it comes to a still graphic.
The best you could do is require actual full length screen recordings of the entire creation process fo a contes entry
Do you expect the Renderhub admins to spend weeks watching
hours of videos just so they can give away thousands of dollars?
not likely.
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JohnnyLuck777
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Wed, May 28I think you got this right. And you're the only one who has even tried to offer some kind of solution. Unfortunately, you're also right that it isn't a *realistic* solution.
gh0stttt
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Wed, May 28Really, the best solution is hiring a new judge, like an addition to the current lineup of judges, that can pinpoint AI use. I think that's a good idea.
Quote:the best solution is hiring a new judge, like an addition to the current lineup of judges, that can pinpoint AI use.
What would qualify a person as being able to "pinpoint AI use"
on a still AI graphic that can be converted to legit vector art graphic or a layered photoshop file?
Also you are failing to see the potential legal consequences of Renderhubs official inquisitor making an accusation
and impugning someones reputation in the Human Art community losing them clients etc
canceled by the art community on Bluesky, TwitterX, Reddit etc only to later find out they called it wrong exposing Renderhub to a libel lawsuit.
Everyone who claims they can spot any & all AI generated
content is eventually proven to be a liar or fool
We were recently having a debate over on Blenderartist.org about Blender needing a brand/Logo redesign.
I half jokingly posted this Logo sheet with some potential new Blender logos and was immediately dog piled by the Anti AI warriors for trying to pass of such "obvious AI slop" as "Human made "Logo designs..
they were so certain.
So proud.
Right up until I posted the the macintosh properties info panel
to show that I had just copied and pasted the word Blender
onto a sheet of vector art Logos from my old stock vectors archive from 2008.
However I do agree that RenderHub will have to
somehow narrow the scope of their Art contests to the types of art that are not easily "assisted" by AI
in the hands of experienced graphic design pros like myself and others.
And that scope is already shrinking with every passing day.
What would qualify a person as being able to "pinpoint AI use"
on a still AI graphic that can be converted to legit vector art graphic or a layered photoshop file?
Also you are failing to see the potential legal consequences of Renderhubs official inquisitor making an accusation
and impugning someones reputation in the Human Art community losing them clients etc
canceled by the art community on Bluesky, TwitterX, Reddit etc only to later find out they called it wrong exposing Renderhub to a libel lawsuit.
Everyone who claims they can spot any & all AI generated
content is eventually proven to be a liar or fool
We were recently having a debate over on Blenderartist.org about Blender needing a brand/Logo redesign.
I half jokingly posted this Logo sheet with some potential new Blender logos and was immediately dog piled by the Anti AI warriors for trying to pass of such "obvious AI slop" as "Human made "Logo designs..
they were so certain.
So proud.
Right up until I posted the the macintosh properties info panel
to show that I had just copied and pasted the word Blender
onto a sheet of vector art Logos from my old stock vectors archive from 2008.
However I do agree that RenderHub will have to
somehow narrow the scope of their Art contests to the types of art that are not easily "assisted" by AI
in the hands of experienced graphic design pros like myself and others.
And that scope is already shrinking with every passing day.
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