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GLBThe AI Debate for 3D Artists... What is it Really About?
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JackolanternWed, Oct 15
guy91600Wed, Oct 15
guy91600Wed, Oct 15
MasterstrokeTue, Oct 14
Beautiful MisfitsTue, Oct 14
guy91600Tue, Oct 14
I've seen countless posts discussing the use of AI in a 3D workflow. And it's clear - some people are really fired up about it.
But what's it really about?
Are people upset about anything that even *mentions* AI?
Is the use of AI-assisted tools just as bad as using Generative AI?
Personally, I am totally against images that are created using Generative AI. But I don't think it's a problem to use AI-assisted tools. Heck, AI-assisted tools have existed long before the big "AI debate", and people didn't seem too bothered by it back then.
So... What's it really about for you?
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I come from more of a 2D drawing background. To me, the 3D art that is related or similar to the figure posing done in DAZ Studio will always feel like something I didn't create from scratch. It's why I'm neutral towards AI. I didn't make it from scratch either, someone else did.
I think what offends me more is that a lot of "AI art" is low-effort from the user. Not so much the pics themselves, but the attitudes surrounding it. They don't even want to touch up the glaring mistakes, like extra fingers. Though, I can argue that the DAZ Studio users are no different. For years, many have taken offense to doing "postwork." That enhancements made by hand didn't count or are cheating. So it's amusing to see these people now insisting that art needs to be made by humans, when they were previously against humans touching up renders.
I am not against using AI. But if I want to create art that I can be proud of, it needs to be something where I'm the one putting lots of effort into the project. AI may assist, but the majority of the work must be done by me. AI cannot replace or replicate this feeling of satisfaction.
I think what offends me more is that a lot of "AI art" is low-effort from the user. Not so much the pics themselves, but the attitudes surrounding it. They don't even want to touch up the glaring mistakes, like extra fingers. Though, I can argue that the DAZ Studio users are no different. For years, many have taken offense to doing "postwork." That enhancements made by hand didn't count or are cheating. So it's amusing to see these people now insisting that art needs to be made by humans, when they were previously against humans touching up renders.
I am not against using AI. But if I want to create art that I can be proud of, it needs to be something where I'm the one putting lots of effort into the project. AI may assist, but the majority of the work must be done by me. AI cannot replace or replicate this feeling of satisfaction.
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"I come from more of a 2D drawing background."
I begann with 2d sketchings as well, and what drove me, was that 2D wasn't enough to me- and that was before 3d became a thing.
"To me, the 3D art that is related or similar to the figure posing done in DAZ Studio will always feel like something I didn't create from scratch. It's why I'm neutral towards AI. I didn't make it from scratch either, someone else did."
Photographers do not create from scratch either
"I think what offends me more is that a lot of "AI art" is low-effort from the user. "
That I absolutely agree on.
I begann with 2d sketchings as well, and what drove me, was that 2D wasn't enough to me- and that was before 3d became a thing.
"To me, the 3D art that is related or similar to the figure posing done in DAZ Studio will always feel like something I didn't create from scratch. It's why I'm neutral towards AI. I didn't make it from scratch either, someone else did."
Photographers do not create from scratch either
"I think what offends me more is that a lot of "AI art" is low-effort from the user. "
That I absolutely agree on.
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MimicMolly
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Mon, Oct 13"Photographers do not create from scratch either"
Photography is as good as the effort involved with preparation behind the photo. This includes tracking down locations or working with models, stylists, etc. No different than DAZ , which also takes a lot of effort in patience.
Neither is the same as drawing. But the beauty of art is that you can experiment with different media nowadays.
Photography is as good as the effort involved with preparation behind the photo. This includes tracking down locations or working with models, stylists, etc. No different than DAZ , which also takes a lot of effort in patience.
Neither is the same as drawing. But the beauty of art is that you can experiment with different media nowadays.
Masterstroke
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Mon, Oct 13"No different than DAZ , which also takes a lot of effort in patience. "
Exactly, this is what I tried to say.
BTW:
Too bad, AI "artists" will never enjoy the exitement of navigating through their scene.
Exactly, this is what I tried to say.
BTW:
Too bad, AI "artists" will never enjoy the exitement of navigating through their scene.
I have traditional 2D painting, drawing, Graphic Design skills
as well as 3D modeling (Hard surface and organic)
Character rigging and 2D/3D animation skills.
I embrace AI as both an assistive tool as well as
an outright replacement for tedious time consuming,costly tasks
done the traditional way.
I don't fear generative AI
it here, its getting really good so I plan
to co-opt it and continue to make what I want.
for me.
as well as 3D modeling (Hard surface and organic)
Character rigging and 2D/3D animation skills.
I embrace AI as both an assistive tool as well as
an outright replacement for tedious time consuming,costly tasks
done the traditional way.
I don't fear generative AI
it here, its getting really good so I plan
to co-opt it and continue to make what I want.
for me.
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I'm not against AI use an as an art tool, but I have no time for people who write a few lines of text, and then claim to be an artist when some AI turns the text into an image. To me it's like someone buying a restored classic car, and then taking it to a show and pretending they did the work.
That said, I have used AI to create textures which are then used on 3D objects.
That said, I have used AI to create textures which are then used on 3D objects.
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"I think what offends me more is that a lot of "AI art" is low-effort from the user. Not so much the pics themselves, but the attitudes surrounding it. They don't even want to touch up the glaring mistakes, like extra fingers."
As an artist who embraces, AI I find this irritating as well.
But remember many AI users are clueless lay people who would not know how to clone out a finger in Photoshop or Krita anyway.
But those of use who have traditional image editing skills and tools access are using AI as productivity multiplier.
"Though, I can argue that the DAZ Studio users are no different. For years, many have taken offense to doing "postwork." That enhancements made by hand didn't count or are cheating. So it's amusing to see these people now insisting that art needs to be made by humans, when they were previously against humans touching up renders."
Indeed the irony is astounding.
As an artist who embraces, AI I find this irritating as well.
But remember many AI users are clueless lay people who would not know how to clone out a finger in Photoshop or Krita anyway.
But those of use who have traditional image editing skills and tools access are using AI as productivity multiplier.
"Though, I can argue that the DAZ Studio users are no different. For years, many have taken offense to doing "postwork." That enhancements made by hand didn't count or are cheating. So it's amusing to see these people now insisting that art needs to be made by humans, when they were previously against humans touching up renders."
Indeed the irony is astounding.
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MimicMolly
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Mon, Oct 13From what I know about current AI, like the free browser kind, they have built-in editing (called "in-painting") for your pics. Even things like Copilot, you can ask it to touch up sections. That's why the glaring mistakes are 100% laziness now. Even with the "tools" in front of them, they don't want to use them.
The other types of AI, like the ones you seem to dabble with, come off as sophisticated programming that a layperson wouldn't be able to use or even install. A lot of research or knowledge about this subject has to be there done beforehand. In that time, they could've also gone down the rabbit hole of Photoshopping pics or how people made memes in the old days.
The other types of AI, like the ones you seem to dabble with, come off as sophisticated programming that a layperson wouldn't be able to use or even install. A lot of research or knowledge about this subject has to be there done beforehand. In that time, they could've also gone down the rabbit hole of Photoshopping pics or how people made memes in the old days.
The other types of AI, like the ones you seem to dabble with, come off as sophisticated programming that a layperson wouldn't be able to use or even install.
Actually you would be surprised by how much I still use traditional methods.
I have never used any AI in painting or installed any local comfy UI software on my system.
For my Graphic Novel I used a paid AI service for one month
and generated over a thousand Images converted from Daz content renders.
I manually edited many of the images in photoshop before manually creating my comic panels, pages and speech balloons in the Comiclife software
Actually you would be surprised by how much I still use traditional methods.
I have never used any AI in painting or installed any local comfy UI software on my system.
For my Graphic Novel I used a paid AI service for one month
and generated over a thousand Images converted from Daz content renders.
I manually edited many of the images in photoshop before manually creating my comic panels, pages and speech balloons in the Comiclife software
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But what's it really about?
Here is what it is REALLY about.
Here is what it is REALLY about.
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Masterstroke
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Mon, Oct 13Yup, here you go again, insulting everybody not agreeing with you.
Jackolantern
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Mon, Oct 13I've seen some really realistic renders in your gallery, and I'm trying to do some realistic renders myself, although I don't have a gallery. Maybe we could compare notes, although this thread is not the right place for it?
"Yup, here you go again, insulting everybody not agreeing with you."
Johnnyluck777"wrote:
Personally, I am totally against images that are created using Generative AI."
This is how and adult expresses his opposing view^^
"ai is for the idiots that can't be bothered to do it properly."
This how an effeminate child expresses his frustration at not being able to force others into his myopic group think and seethes when rebutted by a masculine adult using logic.
I don't expect you to see the difference "Masterstroke"
you can't even "master" modeling a T-shirt
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Jackolantern
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Mon, Oct 13If you're happy doing AI generated cartoons, then that's fine, but I have to say they do nothing for me. I see the Youtube video you posted is three months old. Do you recycle them?
Automation in digital art software has been with us since before all the buzzword nonsense started. That in itself has never been the problem.
If there's anything about this area of controversy that actually makes me angry, it would fall under some combination of these two things about the tech elite accelerationists:
- The sense of total and automatic entitlement anything and everything that exists with no need to pay royalties for the likenesses, voices, words, and works of anyone the mimicbot was trained on, and
- The bigger picture of the worldwide surge to ram this new technology down everyone's throat with no opt-outs, while the tech elite cartel throws incomprehensible amounts of wealth at the arms race to their real holy grail: a fully automated workforce that doesn't have to be paid and is hard coded never to strike or unionize.
They're not *just* out to replace artists, or musicians, or voice actors, or creatives. They're out to replace ALL OF US.
I hope no one is taking the side-chatter lip service about Universal Basic Income (UBI) too seriously to prevent a return to a neo-feudal dark age if and when most "ordinary folks" get laid off and none of the rich need workers anymore. The entire tech accelerationist "move fast and break things" project is predicated on not fully thinking things through beforehand, and not giving a shit about second and third order effects, least of all as they might impact the disadvantaged and vulnerable. It never seems to occur to these Certified Smart People to examine how sustainable a future in which the majority of the human race "gets left behind" is...
In short, the tech arms race to control the future is part of the larger global surge to undo the progress of the past three centuries.
All that to say, the flood of generic low-effort AI bullshit flooding sites like DeviantArt and elsewhere is frankly the least of our problems. None of it's going to matter if we lose what's left of the free world.
If that sounded like a rant, you should have seen what I deleted.
If there's anything about this area of controversy that actually makes me angry, it would fall under some combination of these two things about the tech elite accelerationists:
- The sense of total and automatic entitlement anything and everything that exists with no need to pay royalties for the likenesses, voices, words, and works of anyone the mimicbot was trained on, and
- The bigger picture of the worldwide surge to ram this new technology down everyone's throat with no opt-outs, while the tech elite cartel throws incomprehensible amounts of wealth at the arms race to their real holy grail: a fully automated workforce that doesn't have to be paid and is hard coded never to strike or unionize.
They're not *just* out to replace artists, or musicians, or voice actors, or creatives. They're out to replace ALL OF US.
I hope no one is taking the side-chatter lip service about Universal Basic Income (UBI) too seriously to prevent a return to a neo-feudal dark age if and when most "ordinary folks" get laid off and none of the rich need workers anymore. The entire tech accelerationist "move fast and break things" project is predicated on not fully thinking things through beforehand, and not giving a shit about second and third order effects, least of all as they might impact the disadvantaged and vulnerable. It never seems to occur to these Certified Smart People to examine how sustainable a future in which the majority of the human race "gets left behind" is...
In short, the tech arms race to control the future is part of the larger global surge to undo the progress of the past three centuries.
All that to say, the flood of generic low-effort AI bullshit flooding sites like DeviantArt and elsewhere is frankly the least of our problems. None of it's going to matter if we lose what's left of the free world.
If that sounded like a rant, you should have seen what I deleted.
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I should add: All of what I said above presupposes that all of AI accelarationist's prophecies come true and the tech cartel's agenda is fully realized with no hangups. But I've actually got many doubts that that future is assured.
- HYDRA is a many-headed international monster. The tech billionaire extractor class head's agenda is at odds with the religious authoritarian head's. And while both heads share a common goal with the "Put Women Back In the Kitchen" head, they may or may not be on the same sheet with the white supremacist head. And so on...
- One fatal flaw of AI accelerationism is that it presupposes self-aware human consciousness to be "just" a bunch of electrical impulses in a meat sack, and that it's "just" a matter of figuring out how to convert those impulses into numbers - or hexadecimal, maybe - and cram enough of them together until you get SKYNET. Classic case of how expertise in one field does NOT confer expertise in others. Oh the Humanities...
- The other fatal flaw is that any new faith is still made of faith.
- HYDRA is a many-headed international monster. The tech billionaire extractor class head's agenda is at odds with the religious authoritarian head's. And while both heads share a common goal with the "Put Women Back In the Kitchen" head, they may or may not be on the same sheet with the white supremacist head. And so on...
- One fatal flaw of AI accelerationism is that it presupposes self-aware human consciousness to be "just" a bunch of electrical impulses in a meat sack, and that it's "just" a matter of figuring out how to convert those impulses into numbers - or hexadecimal, maybe - and cram enough of them together until you get SKYNET. Classic case of how expertise in one field does NOT confer expertise in others. Oh the Humanities...
- The other fatal flaw is that any new faith is still made of faith.
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Jackolantern
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Mon, Oct 13If the Tech Elite do manage to create and intelligent and aggressive AI it won't be interested in the working man ( and woman ) it will go after the people at the top, where the power is... those very same Tech Elites.
brothervirgil
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Mon, Oct 13The strategy and priorities involved would depend on the quality, coherence, and "sanity" of real, SKYNET grade AGI. Again, assuming the jump from code to self-awareness is a big ass, not in the normally good way.
If you're happy doing AI generated cartoons, then that's fine, but I have to say they do nothing for me
@Jackolantern
that is certainly a reasonable take on such a divisive issue.
AI created visuals/animations are not for everyone.
use whatever tool you prefer and create what YOU like to see foremost.
Renderhub Admin has taken a balanced approach IMHO.
@Jackolantern
that is certainly a reasonable take on such a divisive issue.
AI created visuals/animations are not for everyone.
use whatever tool you prefer and create what YOU like to see foremost.
Renderhub Admin has taken a balanced approach IMHO.
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As humans we tend to think of non-human threats in human terms. How would 'we' go about conquering the world if we were an AI system. I suspect an aggressive AI would be capable of coming up with it's own methods. Even something as simple as a virus ( not computer virus ) with no brain has shown itself capable of killing thousands of humans, so we shouldn't get complacent that we are the clever species at the top of the food chain. If the dinosaurs had a collective view of their place in the world, I expect it would have been along the lines of "We got this planet, we're invincible" and we know how that ended.
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guy91600
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Mon, Oct 13So, for us, it was Pierre Boule who predicted the future of humans on the Planet of the Apes (I'm thinking of the book, not the 1968 film)..
To clarify,
the end of the film takes place in the United States with the Statue of Liberty.
The end of the book that inspired the film: the space capsule lands at Orly Airport near Paris (France). Of course, Pierre Boule is French.
To clarify,
the end of the film takes place in the United States with the Statue of Liberty.
The end of the book that inspired the film: the space capsule lands at Orly Airport near Paris (France). Of course, Pierre Boule is French.
Johnny please don't take my comment personally, I'm sure you realise I was generalizing toward my honest opinion towards AI.
I don't care what anyone else does with ai but personally I don't feel it has anything to offer me except a bit of social media hype. I closed my youtube a long time ago and social media is not something that interest me very much after spending 30 years in the media business.
There are lots of purist artist out there from film makers to musicians that simply have no interest or need for ai to assist them. There are lots of productions being made in a traditional way and there will be for a long time to come. Even if ai is the great supreme tool It takes a lot of skill and experience to make a large production like a movie or aa+ game. Ai is just not up to it yet without spending a few mill on crew to fix the problems.
Ai is part of the new industrial age. I hate the sound of sitting at home doing nothing because ai now does it all. So bored with only ai slop to consume along with the bugs.
Ai is causing many peoples electricity bills to rise across the world. In some US states the cost has gone up by 34percent. Over a quarter of a household bill inflated to accommodate fake art or tick tock video's. Memes are costing every household extra money they do not have to spare.
Not to mention just how bad things will be when you can't see an actual doctor. AI first as many countries have declared.
I can't do anything to stop all this but what I can do is practice my own skills and take on the challenge of improving so much that I can still find work or at the least sell my products.
I do know a lot about media and was a pioneer of digital video back in the 90's. The first CD-Rom magazine in the UK and interactive advertising are both benchmarks my little company achieved. I am not in any way anti tech given my history but the idea of outsourcing my ideas to ai seems both lazy and unproductive for my goals.
I hope that answers your question in a more suitable fashion
I don't care what anyone else does with ai but personally I don't feel it has anything to offer me except a bit of social media hype. I closed my youtube a long time ago and social media is not something that interest me very much after spending 30 years in the media business.
There are lots of purist artist out there from film makers to musicians that simply have no interest or need for ai to assist them. There are lots of productions being made in a traditional way and there will be for a long time to come. Even if ai is the great supreme tool It takes a lot of skill and experience to make a large production like a movie or aa+ game. Ai is just not up to it yet without spending a few mill on crew to fix the problems.
Ai is part of the new industrial age. I hate the sound of sitting at home doing nothing because ai now does it all. So bored with only ai slop to consume along with the bugs.
Ai is causing many peoples electricity bills to rise across the world. In some US states the cost has gone up by 34percent. Over a quarter of a household bill inflated to accommodate fake art or tick tock video's. Memes are costing every household extra money they do not have to spare.
Not to mention just how bad things will be when you can't see an actual doctor. AI first as many countries have declared.
I can't do anything to stop all this but what I can do is practice my own skills and take on the challenge of improving so much that I can still find work or at the least sell my products.
I do know a lot about media and was a pioneer of digital video back in the 90's. The first CD-Rom magazine in the UK and interactive advertising are both benchmarks my little company achieved. I am not in any way anti tech given my history but the idea of outsourcing my ideas to ai seems both lazy and unproductive for my goals.
I hope that answers your question in a more suitable fashion
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For me, it comes down to this: "I want AI to do my laundry, not to write my books or draw my paintings." It is not an original thought, but it is what humans need, not what is being built.
Some chant AI as if it is their savior, meanwhile they are mere users of a product they do not fully understand. Even some who download obabooga or whatever it is called, and brew a model that corrects their grammar and believe they will be the winners. Well, newsflash, they will not be the "owners" of the machine at the end of a revolution where all our jobs end up obsolete.
Some even think that governments will take care of their needs as they tax the AI overlords. It is childish thinking to trust that this will happen. You will receive some crumbs and be expected to be happy, while you do X or Y, as demanded by those who let the crumbs fall into your hands. Even those who think they will be content with such a setting have no idea that our brains were not designed that way. Humans need more than that, and they will find out the hard way.
Some chant AI as if it is their savior, meanwhile they are mere users of a product they do not fully understand. Even some who download obabooga or whatever it is called, and brew a model that corrects their grammar and believe they will be the winners. Well, newsflash, they will not be the "owners" of the machine at the end of a revolution where all our jobs end up obsolete.
Some even think that governments will take care of their needs as they tax the AI overlords. It is childish thinking to trust that this will happen. You will receive some crumbs and be expected to be happy, while you do X or Y, as demanded by those who let the crumbs fall into your hands. Even those who think they will be content with such a setting have no idea that our brains were not designed that way. Humans need more than that, and they will find out the hard way.
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It is a high level question of ethics. nothing more. If you don't get it, I'm not wasting time explaining.
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Generative AI probably will have its place somewhere, assuming it won't tank first. Right now, it seems quite expensive to develop and run, so damn if I know. I have mixed feeling about Generative AI images. They are "content", and when the concept is actually unique and good, because the creator didn't actually make it themselves, the execution of these concepts just falls flat. It seems like a wasted potential...
As for AI filters that make things less noisy or higher rez, I don't mind, since those have existed for at least a decade before Gen AI became public, and are only improving what's already there. As far as the forums go, though, you'll not get much answer to whether the average RenderHub artist likes or hates these AI filters. Most of the threads here are visited by lurkers(people who read and click away) and engaged with by only a handful of people. I wouldn't assume what opinions the silent majority holds based on the statements made by the vocal minority. It could be they don't mind it, could be they hate it, could be they're conflicted. What I know for sure, is that majority of them are unsure where this AI zeitgeist will lead us.
As for AI filters that make things less noisy or higher rez, I don't mind, since those have existed for at least a decade before Gen AI became public, and are only improving what's already there. As far as the forums go, though, you'll not get much answer to whether the average RenderHub artist likes or hates these AI filters. Most of the threads here are visited by lurkers(people who read and click away) and engaged with by only a handful of people. I wouldn't assume what opinions the silent majority holds based on the statements made by the vocal minority. It could be they don't mind it, could be they hate it, could be they're conflicted. What I know for sure, is that majority of them are unsure where this AI zeitgeist will lead us.
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I generally stay out of AI threads, certain anti-AI zealots are allowed to toss out abuse and insults with impunity it seems. These threads usually all end up with them circle-jerking eachother off once they chase everyone else away from the threads. It's not worth the time to reply to the non-sense. Reminds me of when purists used to bash photobashing, or using using poser/daz studio, and many other hooplahs I have lived through and ignored.
As for AI, it's just another useful tool for my toolbox. For 3d, I haven't found a lot of use for it yet. There are some 3D AI tools, but they are not really ready for prime time, at least not the ones I have messed with. The topology turns out just as bad as 3D scanned mesh, really horrible, way too many triangles/polygons. Faster to model from scratch than to clean up the mess lol.
I use AI a lot for 2d stuff, it's fun, and can give some pretty cool ideas I wouldn't have thought of. I don't really mess with any of the pay to play AI tools, just ones I can run locally on my PC. Once I finish this latest scene I am working on, I plan to deep dive into comfy ui a bit. It seems to gel with my latest slog, learning houdini. Nodes everywhere lol. There are some cool workflows I want to try out, video, images, and music stuff that looks really fun.
So far the coolest use I have seen with AI is actually for games. Some wizard is putting AI into skyrim, using LLM to control NPC's, makes skyrim VR a whole lot more interesting and dynamic. Only problem there, is I do need to pay to play, my 4090 needs all it's juice just to run the game, can't really run an LLM, TTS and STT on my machine. If I had big bucks I would have a second PC with a 4090 or better just to run the AI parts of the game.
As for AI, it's just another useful tool for my toolbox. For 3d, I haven't found a lot of use for it yet. There are some 3D AI tools, but they are not really ready for prime time, at least not the ones I have messed with. The topology turns out just as bad as 3D scanned mesh, really horrible, way too many triangles/polygons. Faster to model from scratch than to clean up the mess lol.
I use AI a lot for 2d stuff, it's fun, and can give some pretty cool ideas I wouldn't have thought of. I don't really mess with any of the pay to play AI tools, just ones I can run locally on my PC. Once I finish this latest scene I am working on, I plan to deep dive into comfy ui a bit. It seems to gel with my latest slog, learning houdini. Nodes everywhere lol. There are some cool workflows I want to try out, video, images, and music stuff that looks really fun.
So far the coolest use I have seen with AI is actually for games. Some wizard is putting AI into skyrim, using LLM to control NPC's, makes skyrim VR a whole lot more interesting and dynamic. Only problem there, is I do need to pay to play, my 4090 needs all it's juice just to run the game, can't really run an LLM, TTS and STT on my machine. If I had big bucks I would have a second PC with a 4090 or better just to run the AI parts of the game.
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It's important to remind everyone that this used to be a No Ai site. With a strong stance against the use of ai. This is why so many of us are vocal. The contract has changed without any input from us all. We were consulted long after the decision was made. This made many of us feel mislead deliberately as the ai debate was very lively at the time of change. The ai gallery went up over night, so to say.
Many of us have been here for years (although quiet and not actively involved with the wider community).
Look at my membership date 2018. That means like many others I was invited by email to join this site.
I have seen it develop and build from scratch and I find it quite sad that ai is now here to stay and likely be incorporated into the products.
How would you all feel about an onsite ai model generator? I predict it will become the normal to be able to get a model from a one click onsite generative solution. Where is the line in the sand going to be? I can think of some users that are obviously generating 3d items and claiming to have made them. It will only get worse.
Eventually there will be no need for us at all. no stores left because ai can make your assets at a fraction of the cost.
Lastly on this subject. If you enjoy doing something creative and gain both satisfaction and experience, why outsource it to ai?
Many of us have been here for years (although quiet and not actively involved with the wider community).
Look at my membership date 2018. That means like many others I was invited by email to join this site.
I have seen it develop and build from scratch and I find it quite sad that ai is now here to stay and likely be incorporated into the products.
How would you all feel about an onsite ai model generator? I predict it will become the normal to be able to get a model from a one click onsite generative solution. Where is the line in the sand going to be? I can think of some users that are obviously generating 3d items and claiming to have made them. It will only get worse.
Eventually there will be no need for us at all. no stores left because ai can make your assets at a fraction of the cost.
Lastly on this subject. If you enjoy doing something creative and gain both satisfaction and experience, why outsource it to ai?
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guy91600
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Tue, Oct 14@bonj
I totally agree with what you just wrote and it reminds me of a phrase from a rather lazy colleague "why do when you can have it done"
I totally agree with what you just wrote and it reminds me of a phrase from a rather lazy colleague "why do when you can have it done"
Beautiful Misfits
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Tue, Oct 14quote: I can think of some users that are obviously generating 3d items and claiming to have made them. It will only get worse.
You can think? I would bet, you do know it by now.
We all know, that the AI generated stuff has found its way into the stores here. We don't know the names and I'm afraid, we will never really know.
It's getting harder and harder to tell, if something like videos i.e. are done by AI or the "old" way.
I remember a stupid discussion about copyrights at rosity and I told them, that that will be the least they have to worry about.
From the beginning I saw, what huge risk was laying in front of us.
I played for a while with AI. Yes, I did, cause I wanted to know, what this is all about. And, as I mentioned before, I got bored about this crap very fast.
But even more I saw very clearly, what huge threat this is to all of us.
Others have mentioned it by now here in one of the threads, but again, we have the AI worshipper, bombarding us with their nonsens pro-ai-reasons, cause they don't see, what will come next.
They will meet nurses, robot-AI-nurses, the same for doctors, sales people and so on.
And one thing is for sure, they won't find any customers anymore, cause they will be obsolete.
Sad thing is, we too will be obsolete and all what's left for us is to play with our 3d stuff, downgraded to a nice hobby and nothing more.
Renderhub was playing Poker, putting all money on the wrong cards. We tried to warn, but got ignored and got called hater instead.
It's sad, but this place will go down like every other place.
Replaced by AI, flooding the marked with 3d stuff, with 2d, with all one can think about this f*cking AI can do.
So all what's left to say:
Enjoy the ride AI-Lovers as long as it lasts.
Cause in the end, AI will get rid of you as well.
You can think? I would bet, you do know it by now.
We all know, that the AI generated stuff has found its way into the stores here. We don't know the names and I'm afraid, we will never really know.
It's getting harder and harder to tell, if something like videos i.e. are done by AI or the "old" way.
I remember a stupid discussion about copyrights at rosity and I told them, that that will be the least they have to worry about.
From the beginning I saw, what huge risk was laying in front of us.
I played for a while with AI. Yes, I did, cause I wanted to know, what this is all about. And, as I mentioned before, I got bored about this crap very fast.
But even more I saw very clearly, what huge threat this is to all of us.
Others have mentioned it by now here in one of the threads, but again, we have the AI worshipper, bombarding us with their nonsens pro-ai-reasons, cause they don't see, what will come next.
They will meet nurses, robot-AI-nurses, the same for doctors, sales people and so on.
And one thing is for sure, they won't find any customers anymore, cause they will be obsolete.
Sad thing is, we too will be obsolete and all what's left for us is to play with our 3d stuff, downgraded to a nice hobby and nothing more.
Renderhub was playing Poker, putting all money on the wrong cards. We tried to warn, but got ignored and got called hater instead.
It's sad, but this place will go down like every other place.
Replaced by AI, flooding the marked with 3d stuff, with 2d, with all one can think about this f*cking AI can do.
So all what's left to say:
Enjoy the ride AI-Lovers as long as it lasts.
Cause in the end, AI will get rid of you as well.
The journey of struggle is part of the creative process.
Many traditional 3d artists might realize that high in the middle of the process.
And the bigger high, when the first renders are becoming visible on screen.
Too bad, those AI guys will never feel it.
They won‘t have this joy, of having created something, because their AI buddy did it for them.
Many traditional 3d artists might realize that high in the middle of the process.
And the bigger high, when the first renders are becoming visible on screen.
Too bad, those AI guys will never feel it.
They won‘t have this joy, of having created something, because their AI buddy did it for them.
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guy91600
Karma: 12,988
Wed, Oct 15Quote "And the bigger high, when the first renders are becoming visible on screen."
C'est totalement exact, le jour ou j'ai enfin réussi le Baby Carrier ( https://www.renderhub.com/guy91600/baby-carrier-for-g8f-and-caryn-hd ) et qu'il soit fonctionnel et vendable, c'était une joie d'avoir fait un produit complexe sans aucune aide extérieure.
J'aimerai bien savoir si quelqu'un a réussi a le faire faire par une IA, sans le retoucher manuellement
C'est totalement exact, le jour ou j'ai enfin réussi le Baby Carrier ( https://www.renderhub.com/guy91600/baby-carrier-for-g8f-and-caryn-hd ) et qu'il soit fonctionnel et vendable, c'était une joie d'avoir fait un produit complexe sans aucune aide extérieure.
J'aimerai bien savoir si quelqu'un a réussi a le faire faire par une IA, sans le retoucher manuellement
guy91600
Karma: 12,988
Wed, Oct 15That's absolutely true. The day I finally got the Baby Carrier (https://www.renderhub.com/guy91600/baby-carrier-for-g8f-and-caryn-hd) working and selling, it was a joy to have made a complex product without any outside help.
I'd love to know if anyone has managed to get it made by an AI, without manually editing it.
I'd love to know if anyone has managed to get it made by an AI, without manually editing it.
Jackolantern
Karma: 131
Wed, Oct 15AI is a fad. A lot of people are trying it and getting results they could never achieve without it, so they're happy. After a while the hype will fade, and people will realise, as you rightly said, that without the work, there is no satisfaction in the end result.
When art galleries are throwing Rembrandts on the bonfire because 'they're not up to modern standards' then real artists can start to worry.
When art galleries are throwing Rembrandts on the bonfire because 'they're not up to modern standards' then real artists can start to worry.
