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GLBFeedback Request: Marketplace AI Policy Update
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kwerkxSun, Feb 01
DarkEleganceSun, Feb 01
RenderHubSun, Feb 01
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BobbSat, Jan 31
DarkEleganceSat, Jan 31
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DarkEleganceSat, Jan 31
As AI technologies continue to evolve, we find ourselves at a point where we need to review and update our marketplace policy. We've always taken a firm stance against AI, but with how rapidly the technology is advancing, we feel we have to adjust our position in order to keep up with the changing times.
We wanted to work with the community on this by getting your feedback.
What we are proposing is a new approach to managing AI content that is more focused on honesty, transparency, and choice:
This change would allow users to control what they see in the marketplace, and buyers are less likely to accidentally purchase AI items.
We have started beta testing this. Here is what an AI item looks like with the appropriate flags set:
https://www.renderhub.com/stlvertext/mrs-claus-candle-vela-de-mam-noel
Let us know your thoughts.
We wanted to work with the community on this by getting your feedback.
What we are proposing is a new approach to managing AI content that is more focused on honesty, transparency, and choice:
- Vendors will be required to flag products that have been created using AI.
- These items will then be clearly labeled "Made With AI", so buyers will be aware.
- A marketplace filter checkbox will be added so buyers can choose to show or hide AI items.
- Vendors failing to flag AI items appropriately will receive warnings, with repeat offenders having their account suspended.
- AI items will NOT count towards the 1000 item site bonus.
This change would allow users to control what they see in the marketplace, and buyers are less likely to accidentally purchase AI items.
We have started beta testing this. Here is what an AI item looks like with the appropriate flags set:
https://www.renderhub.com/stlvertext/mrs-claus-candle-vela-de-mam-noel
Let us know your thoughts.
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Hey guys,I know you want to the include all of us and thanks a lot for thinking on us as always, but personally I think even with AI and technology evolving quickly, isn't a bit "too soon" to open this market here? I mean, I think it's ok to let people use AI to help their renders to look better, add backgrounds and even animations.. but AI products? Personally, I don't know... RH should open this market that soon? Is everyone doing it already? Is that already a thing? It's not gonna "hurt" the website's own market and the vendors? I know we have to adapt to new techonologies to keep relevant, but isn't a bit "too soon" for this? Just my opinion btw.
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RenderHub
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Thu, Jan 29Thanks for the feedback. It definitely feels like things are movingly quickly, but I do think things are at a point where we have to adjust.
Excessive
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Thu, Jan 29getting the impression that this is more aimed at filtering the AI generated store content that is already there, not so much encouraging new posting of it
GrapeJuice3D
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Thu, Jan 29Thanks @Renderhub, I understand, I said that because Renderhub will be the first store at least of the ones I buy content that will have this, that's why I asked if wasn't too soon. Thanks @Excessive, but I think that in the moment that the store creates a category for it, it will automatically encourage more people come and upload more AI content. For example for me it's like if you have movie's store and you have only one or 2 very violent movies +18 at sale, if you create a new category for just those two you are "welcoming" more of this content even if it's not your intention, or at least saying you're ok with it. In both cases, personally I think we shouldn't even accept AI content for sale, at least for now, of course it's nothing personal against the people that uploaded the products and the one used as example, but I think it's too soon for this kind of content here.
RenderHub
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Thu, Jan 29It looks like some platforms are allowing it on the non-daz side. I am digging deeper into this to see exactly what other sites are doing.
I think this approach is well intentioned but you may have to implement some quality control if obvious low effort AI slop starts flooding the marketplace.
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GrapeJuice3D
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Thu, Jan 29Yeah, exactly! We can open the website one day and then only see dozens or thousands of low quality AI generated content. Even with a filter, a lot of people can just don't use them, we will have to report every single one? The problem we have sometimes with +18 renders being uploaded as for everyone in the gallery shows unfortunately how this can turn into a mess quickly.
I will ask my AI what I think about this. (I am joking, please.)
Joking aside, it is a good idea to distinguish RenderHub from the crowd. It seems the crowd is doing everything possible to either jump on the AI train, or fully ban it (I think TurboSquid did).
This feature could draw a line between us and the crowd, depending on how it is marketed. Is it to help users reduce AI clutter? Is it to create another new market like the ones we already have, such as 3D and DAZ, but adding a third? It all depends on how it is framed.
AI-generated content for sale might open the door to things I do not think anyone (RenderHub) wants to deal with. Intellectual property ownership, for example, authorship attribution, and other things. At the same time, I'm conflicted. I do like the idea that RenderHub is open minded, despite me not liking AI for content creation at all. So, I would be willing to bet, a lot of people like me, will have that checkbox on all day and all night, hi, hi, hi.
Joking aside, it is a good idea to distinguish RenderHub from the crowd. It seems the crowd is doing everything possible to either jump on the AI train, or fully ban it (I think TurboSquid did).
This feature could draw a line between us and the crowd, depending on how it is marketed. Is it to help users reduce AI clutter? Is it to create another new market like the ones we already have, such as 3D and DAZ, but adding a third? It all depends on how it is framed.
AI-generated content for sale might open the door to things I do not think anyone (RenderHub) wants to deal with. Intellectual property ownership, for example, authorship attribution, and other things. At the same time, I'm conflicted. I do like the idea that RenderHub is open minded, despite me not liking AI for content creation at all. So, I would be willing to bet, a lot of people like me, will have that checkbox on all day and all night, hi, hi, hi.
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RenderHub
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Thu, Jan 29Great post, thanks so much for this feedback. Hope to see some more perspectives on this.
GrapeJuice3D
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Thu, Jan 29Well said Luxe Muse, thank you! 
I didn't even thought about this like, people can start to scan for example Mac Donald's Happy Meals's toys, gashapons, pokemon toys and start to sell it here or even give it for free, imagine how many problems with intellectual property that could happen, I think that's even more problematic than when someone models a copyrighted character and sells it, they at least can argue that they had all the work of doing it, that's their vision and etc and even then they have their product removed, but a scanned object is just the real one in a digital version, their copyright is still the same. Another situation that could happen... what if someone buys an ornament, scans it,sells it and then the artist that made it in real life sees it and find out that another person is profiting from their piece, even if they don't know about it, it's not fair. Yeah I think Renderhub should avoid this headache lol.
I didn't even thought about this like, people can start to scan for example Mac Donald's Happy Meals's toys, gashapons, pokemon toys and start to sell it here or even give it for free, imagine how many problems with intellectual property that could happen, I think that's even more problematic than when someone models a copyrighted character and sells it, they at least can argue that they had all the work of doing it, that's their vision and etc and even then they have their product removed, but a scanned object is just the real one in a digital version, their copyright is still the same. Another situation that could happen... what if someone buys an ornament, scans it,sells it and then the artist that made it in real life sees it and find out that another person is profiting from their piece, even if they don't know about it, it's not fair. Yeah I think Renderhub should avoid this headache lol.Luxe Muse
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Thu, Jan 29Thank you, RenderHub. And thank you, GrapeJuice3D. That was exactly what I was thinking, although you expanded on it greatly. Wonderful examples.
AI is already present in many sectors, in graphics and sound, and it's already in programs like iClone. I have no doubt that soon other programs, such as Blender, Maya, Haudin, ZBrush, etc., will integrate it with retopology tools, rigging, and so on. I'm not against AI; I believe it's a tool to improve many things, at least for me. But I think we'll see many projects for sale made with 3D AI websites, created in a minute. The competition will get fierce.
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supremoomega
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Thu, Jan 29That's right, I think AI tools are coming that will make several processes easier when we're doing our work, and there's no way I won't use them, since most people probably will. What animator wouldn't use a tool that makes animation easier? Or what sculptor wouldn't if it saves them days of work? AI is here to stay.
Luxe Muse
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Thu, Jan 29Hi Supermoomega.
You are right in many ways. Personally, if tomorrow my better half brings a robot that does the laundry, cooks for us, and frees me from the kitchen, I will only touch the kitchen... no, I will never touch the kitchen, hi, hi, hi.
Having said that, the problem I see with all this comes from what I understand about human nature. It will feel and work great in the beginning, but to the detriment of creativity and incentive.
I know this is somewhat irrelevant to the original post, but in some sense it is not. Imagine the AI market grows to the point where we do not feel like creating things because, why bother? We might put up a figure in one day, not just with a few expressions but the entire set of modern dances that figure could be animated with.
So can 100 million other people who have never spent months producing a character in their lives. Hence, why make the effort, even to put up an AI-assisted product that will be buried alongside another 20 thousand things published the same second you click submit?
Like you said, the competition will be fierce. I think it would be impossible once a few players figure out how to automate even the creation process. Simply having AI mimic what others post, with slight variations.
You are right in many ways. Personally, if tomorrow my better half brings a robot that does the laundry, cooks for us, and frees me from the kitchen, I will only touch the kitchen... no, I will never touch the kitchen, hi, hi, hi.
Having said that, the problem I see with all this comes from what I understand about human nature. It will feel and work great in the beginning, but to the detriment of creativity and incentive.
I know this is somewhat irrelevant to the original post, but in some sense it is not. Imagine the AI market grows to the point where we do not feel like creating things because, why bother? We might put up a figure in one day, not just with a few expressions but the entire set of modern dances that figure could be animated with.
So can 100 million other people who have never spent months producing a character in their lives. Hence, why make the effort, even to put up an AI-assisted product that will be buried alongside another 20 thousand things published the same second you click submit?
Like you said, the competition will be fierce. I think it would be impossible once a few players figure out how to automate even the creation process. Simply having AI mimic what others post, with slight variations.
supremoomega
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Thu, Jan 29Luxe Muse - That's the problem. But this day had to come; we can't escape it. We'll have to update, and I mean the entire 3D ecosystem, from those who make the 3D programs to those of us who create a character with that 3D program. They'll have to update too, to give us the tools to compete with those who only use AI. I believe that good things will still be done with traditional techniques combined with AI tools to improve our workflow and allow us to remain competitive.
RenderHub said, "Vendors will be required to flag products that have been created using AI."
Self identification presumes innocence until proven guilty.. perhaps pair it with a "AI Suspected" button to help your detection efforts.
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RH also said, "These items will then be clearly labeled "Made With AI", so buyers will be aware."
If RH or the vender identifies the AI(s) used, I would add those details. The future may include automation tools mislabeled as "AI" or an "AI" that ethically sources or even licenses training material from artists. The reputation of the (AI) tool (like the sites we choose to download models from) may ban or even legitimize products (in the future).
Self identification presumes innocence until proven guilty.. perhaps pair it with a "AI Suspected" button to help your detection efforts.
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RH also said, "These items will then be clearly labeled "Made With AI", so buyers will be aware."
If RH or the vender identifies the AI(s) used, I would add those details. The future may include automation tools mislabeled as "AI" or an "AI" that ethically sources or even licenses training material from artists. The reputation of the (AI) tool (like the sites we choose to download models from) may ban or even legitimize products (in the future).
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I personal would like to see a Wireframe of the objects that are being made with AI as most of those have poor quality mesh.
I Have Had Dealings with AI Generated textures and rigging they look great but are not suitable for production at this time.
The Quality Control of each product is going to be hard once the flood of Push button make Art Starts.
I Think the Legal Realities is the most problematic With the Whole World having different Codes on What is acceptable level of Human Vs AI in a Project or Work. As has been Said How much human input was used Vs Everything was done by Script. The 80/20 Rule of Change The 80% has to be done by the Human for Copyright to Apply is What I Have Been Told. O.o Not sure if the EU has different Rules.
I Have Had Dealings with AI Generated textures and rigging they look great but are not suitable for production at this time.
The Quality Control of each product is going to be hard once the flood of Push button make Art Starts.
I Think the Legal Realities is the most problematic With the Whole World having different Codes on What is acceptable level of Human Vs AI in a Project or Work. As has been Said How much human input was used Vs Everything was done by Script. The 80/20 Rule of Change The 80% has to be done by the Human for Copyright to Apply is What I Have Been Told. O.o Not sure if the EU has different Rules.
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Fri, Jan 30Radkres raises the issue of European law, but it's important to note that each EU country has its own laws, and some countries have stricter regulations than EU law. For example, in agriculture, some products banned in France are permitted in the rest of the EU. it is one of the origins of farmers' protests against Mercosur
Bobb
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Fri, Jan 30Ai is already being used in Daz stuff. As Radkres mentioned, the topology is crap. There's other signs too such as textures that don't fit and wear marks where there shouldn't be. Some Daz creators are using it and just not saying anything and you know damned well that Daz will absolutely, positively, hand-on-heart deny it. Have a look at the recent influx of Mayan sculptures as an example.
If this policy is implemented, and it should be, then there'd better be some REAL QA by people who know what they're looking for.
If this policy is implemented, and it should be, then there'd better be some REAL QA by people who know what they're looking for.
What would be the position on non-AI items that contain AI generated items? For example a model of a room might have portrait photos on the wall, and those portraits might be AI generated.
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RenderHub
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Fri, Jan 30Good question, not really sure how these would be handled. Something to think about.
kwerkx
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Sat, Jan 31"Which AI?" matters. Was the training material for the AI ethically sourced (public domain or licensed from the artist)? If not, could it be copyright infringement, stolen (from artists via unlicensed training material), deepfake (illegal in some areas) or NIL? A personal use license might deflect some things (like it is assumed to do for copyright material); but the potential art theft is offensive to sites claiming to be art oriented and its members.
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Side note, might be an opportunity for R-H to help artists license gallery images for this sort of thing.
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Side note, might be an opportunity for R-H to help artists license gallery images for this sort of thing.
Hi,
as one of the possibly most "infamous" pro AI advocates in this community,
I'd like to offer my somewhat blunt perspective on this matter.
First: full disclosure.
I retired as of January 2026 ,therefore I no longer have any commercial/financial
concerns regarding selling products at any of the 3D animation or CG content" cottage industry" markets.
I spend a lot of time in many pro AI user the communities on twitter/X and user groups on Facebook and based on that experience I can tell you one thing for certain.
There is practically ZERO consumer demand for prefabricated 3D products still art or animated content made by someone who used AI to create the content.
This is because generative AI has destroyed the one thing that gave visually creative products and content its value and that is scarcity.
We are in the post scarcity era of visual entertainment media.
This sadly means that the commercial market value of most visual creative entertainment content is quickly plummeting to zero because of the abundance and the ease at which it can be acquired (generated.)
Again, as a pro AI (retired) hobbyist.
I commend Renderhub for at least not trying to bury your heads in the sand and praying that all of this Generative AI stuff is going to disappear from human civilization when some so-called " bubble bursts."
But sadly, you are also making the huge mistake that I see so many other visual content industries making by trying to apply previous economic models to a new technology that by its very nature will completely destroy those previous economic models because all of them were based on the scarcity ( organic or artificially imposed) that enables capitalism function.
For example, a 3D model prop in your marketplace that has been marked "AI. Generated", will likely only have three possible outcomes.
1: It will be completely ignored by those who are ideologically opposed to generative AI as they will never see it anyway due to the filtering system, you have set up.
2: Then there are those who are not fully against AI. ( Despite their public screeds, claiming that they hate it as much as their compatriots in the community)
Who would probably simply go and experiment on the various AI 3D model generating sites and start generating their own 3D prop models instead of paying actual money for one that somebody else generated for free.
3: and lastly, there will be those who would feel justified in pirating the AI generated models, from one of the many Russian pirate sites Because they feel it's " AI slop" that doesn't actually belong to human therefore, it's not stealing .
At any rate, while I honestly don't see allowing AI generated Content in the marketplace as an actual detriment to your sites revenues ,i
t effectively will not add any new incentives for people to spend money on those particular items in your marketplace either because they will be viewed as having no intrinsic value due to the nature of how they were created here in the post scarcity era.
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Just a quick addendum to my post above:
There still remains some possible commercial value in "transformative works" where AI was used to create the visual elements of something like a comic book, children's story book or graphic novel.
I , like many others ,have such a work
selling on Amazon and my Patreon shop
However I am an experienced professional designer for print who still had write a compelling narrative build a world and layout
my comic page/panel designs in the comiclife software.
However ,at this point, you need to have an existing fan base that is personally loyal to your "brand of storytelling" or invested in your built fantasy worlds because to be honest
AI has become "good enough" to do all of that as well.
There still remains some possible commercial value in "transformative works" where AI was used to create the visual elements of something like a comic book, children's story book or graphic novel.
I , like many others ,have such a work
selling on Amazon and my Patreon shop
However I am an experienced professional designer for print who still had write a compelling narrative build a world and layout
my comic page/panel designs in the comiclife software.
However ,at this point, you need to have an existing fan base that is personally loyal to your "brand of storytelling" or invested in your built fantasy worlds because to be honest
AI has become "good enough" to do all of that as well.
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Bobb
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Sat, Jan 31If this is the best AI can do, I don't think that traditional artists have much to worry about.....
https://www.daz3d.com/old-world-ruins-petra-rock
https://www.daz3d.com/old-world-ruins-petra-rock
Tenserknot
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Sat, Jan 31that isn't even close to how good AI 3D can generate. I have seen the good out there. and the generation cost subscription is less than one model on here.
As a former 3D content producer , the golden age of the daz/poser universe is dead and buried
As a former 3D content producer , the golden age of the daz/poser universe is dead and buried
Tenserknot
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Sat, Jan 31And for the record, that model of Petra, looks like a inferior photogrametry attempt. giko never has high quality
RenderHub
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Sat, Jan 31Right now AI 3d model generation isn't great, but I am worried that will change.
Bobb
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Sat, Jan 31I've done some photogrammetry work for a friend of mine who maintains two hundred year old clock mechanisms in old churches. The pictures and 3D views can be excellent. Turning them into a 3D mesh is whole different art/science.
Would this include or exclude "accidental" (accidental vs. substantial not accidental vs. intentional) use, where, if you're making a room and there's some painting that's AI generated, or this piece of clothing has an AI-generated logo on it?
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RenderHub
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Fri, Jan 30Still hashing these kinds of details out, but I think the item would have to be substantially created using AI.
My only question is what exactly qualifies as made with AI?
Like I make all my geometry by hand as well as my textures. However my textures may contain AI, e.g. artwork on a t-shirt is AI generated cartoon that I overlay onto cloth fabric that was made with filter forge and textures. Does the use of a cartoon character made by AI that is then used on a texture that I made in Photoshop count as a product that was made by AI? Or I will take photographs of rock, stone, carpet, fabric with my camera and then use AI to make it into seamless texture for use in my products.
Curious to what the threshold or criteria is. Also concerned if this counts against our active products for royalties if the threshold to mark something as made with AI is low.
Reality is I can't be good at everything and keep charging the low prices that I do. I could easily get an artist friend to make an image for me, but after I compensate them for their time and work, that $10 clothing item is now gonna be at least $40-$50 to get back what I paid to make the artwork.
Like I make all my geometry by hand as well as my textures. However my textures may contain AI, e.g. artwork on a t-shirt is AI generated cartoon that I overlay onto cloth fabric that was made with filter forge and textures. Does the use of a cartoon character made by AI that is then used on a texture that I made in Photoshop count as a product that was made by AI? Or I will take photographs of rock, stone, carpet, fabric with my camera and then use AI to make it into seamless texture for use in my products.
Curious to what the threshold or criteria is. Also concerned if this counts against our active products for royalties if the threshold to mark something as made with AI is low.
Reality is I can't be good at everything and keep charging the low prices that I do. I could easily get an artist friend to make an image for me, but after I compensate them for their time and work, that $10 clothing item is now gonna be at least $40-$50 to get back what I paid to make the artwork.
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Really? The place that advertises how many "Polygons" are used...bending the knee to AI. Then hiding behind " we cant police all images..."
Yes. You can, actually.
Or rather...should.
You actually have images on your splash banner that INTRODUCES YOUR SITE(A professed 3d site) that is 90% AI. Not a lick of actual work!
A site that "use" to support human artists. That took a firm stance!
But I come back to find it is bending the knee?
To art theft.
To environmentally damaging genAI.
To lying about what is used?
To SUPPORTING those lies told by unethical artists that are sliding through using AI for 90% or more of their image and hiding in "3d".
YES...RENDERHUB...You CAN police what you allow!
AND....
SHOULD!
Yes. You can, actually.
Or rather...should.
You actually have images on your splash banner that INTRODUCES YOUR SITE(A professed 3d site) that is 90% AI. Not a lick of actual work!
A site that "use" to support human artists. That took a firm stance!
But I come back to find it is bending the knee?
To art theft.
To environmentally damaging genAI.
To lying about what is used?
To SUPPORTING those lies told by unethical artists that are sliding through using AI for 90% or more of their image and hiding in "3d".
YES...RENDERHUB...You CAN police what you allow!
AND....
SHOULD!
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RenderHub
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Sat, Jan 31"A professed 3d site that is 90% AI"
Where are you getting this from?
Where are you getting this from?
RenderHub
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Sat, Jan 31BTW, many of those banners were posted before AI was widely available or capable of doing that sort of stuff.
DarkElegance
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Sat, Jan 31Nope. The piece I flagged, not only claimed to be -fully- 3d(and not once marked as ai being used)…but the artist had to admit when questioned it wasnt. It was a newer piece.
The figure was 3d and EVERYTHING ELSE including a full background(how you couldnt see it was AI is beyond me) Was GenAi.
They admitted it when I asked to see what asset the bg was as I would be interested in such an asset.
When I DID flag it to yourself, it was defended!
And I was then linked to here.
Your front page literally lists "Polygons used" when the image was literally, and I do mean very literally, 90% generated AI.
So, either false advertising, or just not caring what genAI is actually doing to the art world, the environment, etc.
What kills me...You are actually bending the knee to something that is undercutting YOUR OWN MARKET!
Holding a knife to your own throats and going "should we allow this"?
The resounding answer is...No.
The figure was 3d and EVERYTHING ELSE including a full background(how you couldnt see it was AI is beyond me) Was GenAi.
They admitted it when I asked to see what asset the bg was as I would be interested in such an asset.
When I DID flag it to yourself, it was defended!
And I was then linked to here.
Your front page literally lists "Polygons used" when the image was literally, and I do mean very literally, 90% generated AI.
So, either false advertising, or just not caring what genAI is actually doing to the art world, the environment, etc.
What kills me...You are actually bending the knee to something that is undercutting YOUR OWN MARKET!
Holding a knife to your own throats and going "should we allow this"?
The resounding answer is...No.
RenderHub
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Sat, Jan 31Would you mind sharing a link to which wallpaper item you are talking about?
DarkElegance
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Sat, Jan 31here? or again in DM?
As its still not flagged as having AI tool used on it....
Despite the person finally admitting to the AI
As its still not flagged as having AI tool used on it....
Despite the person finally admitting to the AI
DarkElegance
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Sat, Jan 31https://www.renderhub.com/gendragon3d/bolgruun-demon-druid-enemy-of-the-elves-3d-wallpaper
Ill just post it. Please note...NOT ONE WIT of a mention of AI in any form...Until I asked.
Then they admitted it. Did they note the AI "tool" used? NOPE!
Took credit for it all being 3d and their own work.
The first day I came back to Renderhub...that image was what greeted me on the front page. And how no one noticed it was so blatantly AI is beyond me.
That...that is what you are using to advertise your "polygon" count right smack in the middle of it. Something that has less polygons than the shoe I am wearing? Something so blatantly genAI? Giving false impressions much?
Ill just post it. Please note...NOT ONE WIT of a mention of AI in any form...Until I asked.
Then they admitted it. Did they note the AI "tool" used? NOPE!
Took credit for it all being 3d and their own work.
The first day I came back to Renderhub...that image was what greeted me on the front page. And how no one noticed it was so blatantly AI is beyond me.
That...that is what you are using to advertise your "polygon" count right smack in the middle of it. Something that has less polygons than the shoe I am wearing? Something so blatantly genAI? Giving false impressions much?
RenderHub
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Sun, Feb 01In the future, you might want to hit the "Report" button and select "AI Generated" so it gets properly recorded and looked at by the right person. That is why we put it there.
I think if items made with AI are allowed on the marketplace the most important thing will be to strike a balance between offering AI-assisted products without allowing flooding with low effort AI-generated models.
There is a difference between generating a 3D model and uploading the model with the original topology and AI-generated textures and generating a 3D model with AI, retopologizing the whole thing, adding new UVs and textures, or improving the original ones. Vendors who have done the latter might not like being lumped together with the first group. Some vendors might use AI to generate only elements for their textures, while their 3D models were done without AI. There might be a need for two filters, one for AI-assisted products and another one for AI-generated products. As it was already mentioned, soon there could be AI retopology and UV mapping tools. Products made using those tools will also have to be marked as AI.
Allowing AI-generated models could result in flooding the marketplace. To fix this afterward, there could be a limit to how many items a vendor can upload a day, but if this applies to all vendors, including the ones who don't produce AI items, it will be unfair. Maybe there should be a limit for AI items only. That will most likely result in people purposely marking an AI item as non-AI in order to surpass the limit. As it was already mentioned, many AI generators produce 3D models with very dense polygon count. If the people uploading the models don't bother fixing the topology, those items will start taking lots of space.
DAZ Studio and, I guess, Poser might not have been made to be used alongside AI apps, but they can be pretty useful. Same for Blender, I guess, since there are so many things you can do with Blender. Some vendors might choose to create items designed to be used with AI apps, such as Klign for video generation or the ControlNet plugins for Stable Diffusion and Flux. Those products might not be AI-generated or AI-assisted in themselves, but since they are geared towards being used with AI, there probably will be some promos that contain AI generations. Or they could be hybrids of traditional 3D + AI-generated parts and some AI-generated images presented in the promos. Will those also be excluded from the 1000 item site bonus? As more people start adding AI to their workflow, there might be many of those products.
Why not copy the same rules that already exist regarding gallery images? There is a section for AI-enhanced images, but no section for AI-generated images. Why not do the same thing for marketplace items? Why not allow AI-enhanced products that have some elements that are AI-generated, such as textures, or maybe the base of the model, which is then reworked, etc., but there is still plenty of human involvement? That will still require time and competency to do and will deter flooding to a degree. Maybe when uploading the product, there could be a box to check if this item has been made using AI, and if the box is checked, there could be a fill-in section where the vendor could specify which parts have been made with AI. And maybe some instructions above on how to be more precise about that. Maybe also make that mandatory to fill out, so potential buyers will know what they are paying for.
As things settle in and certain tools and workflows become more prevalent, there might even be a checklist for all that. Were the textures created using AI? And there could be different options to choose from: AI-enhanced or AI-generated. Was the mesh created using AI? AI-generated with manual edits or AI-generated. This could be made to open only for people who have checked the box for using AI, so other vendors won't have to deal with it.
If other stores decide not to offer such a level of transparency, this could be one thing that makes RenderHub stand out.
And since this forum does not remove posts on a whim, why not have a section where people could discuss multiple workflows involving AI + traditional programs? There have already been posts like that in the forum. Having a special section for them could be better both for people who are interested in such workflows and also for people who do not care about AI, because it will be much easier to avoid that section altogether.
There is a difference between generating a 3D model and uploading the model with the original topology and AI-generated textures and generating a 3D model with AI, retopologizing the whole thing, adding new UVs and textures, or improving the original ones. Vendors who have done the latter might not like being lumped together with the first group. Some vendors might use AI to generate only elements for their textures, while their 3D models were done without AI. There might be a need for two filters, one for AI-assisted products and another one for AI-generated products. As it was already mentioned, soon there could be AI retopology and UV mapping tools. Products made using those tools will also have to be marked as AI.
Allowing AI-generated models could result in flooding the marketplace. To fix this afterward, there could be a limit to how many items a vendor can upload a day, but if this applies to all vendors, including the ones who don't produce AI items, it will be unfair. Maybe there should be a limit for AI items only. That will most likely result in people purposely marking an AI item as non-AI in order to surpass the limit. As it was already mentioned, many AI generators produce 3D models with very dense polygon count. If the people uploading the models don't bother fixing the topology, those items will start taking lots of space.
DAZ Studio and, I guess, Poser might not have been made to be used alongside AI apps, but they can be pretty useful. Same for Blender, I guess, since there are so many things you can do with Blender. Some vendors might choose to create items designed to be used with AI apps, such as Klign for video generation or the ControlNet plugins for Stable Diffusion and Flux. Those products might not be AI-generated or AI-assisted in themselves, but since they are geared towards being used with AI, there probably will be some promos that contain AI generations. Or they could be hybrids of traditional 3D + AI-generated parts and some AI-generated images presented in the promos. Will those also be excluded from the 1000 item site bonus? As more people start adding AI to their workflow, there might be many of those products.
Why not copy the same rules that already exist regarding gallery images? There is a section for AI-enhanced images, but no section for AI-generated images. Why not do the same thing for marketplace items? Why not allow AI-enhanced products that have some elements that are AI-generated, such as textures, or maybe the base of the model, which is then reworked, etc., but there is still plenty of human involvement? That will still require time and competency to do and will deter flooding to a degree. Maybe when uploading the product, there could be a box to check if this item has been made using AI, and if the box is checked, there could be a fill-in section where the vendor could specify which parts have been made with AI. And maybe some instructions above on how to be more precise about that. Maybe also make that mandatory to fill out, so potential buyers will know what they are paying for.
As things settle in and certain tools and workflows become more prevalent, there might even be a checklist for all that. Were the textures created using AI? And there could be different options to choose from: AI-enhanced or AI-generated. Was the mesh created using AI? AI-generated with manual edits or AI-generated. This could be made to open only for people who have checked the box for using AI, so other vendors won't have to deal with it.
If other stores decide not to offer such a level of transparency, this could be one thing that makes RenderHub stand out.
And since this forum does not remove posts on a whim, why not have a section where people could discuss multiple workflows involving AI + traditional programs? There have already been posts like that in the forum. Having a special section for them could be better both for people who are interested in such workflows and also for people who do not care about AI, because it will be much easier to avoid that section altogether.
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Quote:Right now AI 3d model generation isn't great, but I am worried that will change.
AI generated models are already being heavily used in commercial indie game asset content.
AI generated models are already being heavily used in commercial indie game asset content.
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DarkElegance
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Sat, Jan 31You may wish to include...the backlash games face when it is found out.
Such as in the past what...24 hours, NVIDIA noting "concerns" over genAI and how it has effected their sales and stocks?
Or perhaps how one of the voted games of the gaming awards was STRIPPED of their award for using GenAI...
Such as in the past what...24 hours, NVIDIA noting "concerns" over genAI and how it has effected their sales and stocks?
Or perhaps how one of the voted games of the gaming awards was STRIPPED of their award for using GenAI...
DarkElegance
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Sat, Jan 31INFACT...Ill help you out
"Clair Obscur: Expedition 33
, a critically acclaimed JRPG developed by Sandfall Interactive, was disqualified from the 2025 Indie Game Awards (IGAs) and had its Game of the Year and Best Debut Game awards stripped due to the use of generative AI"
"Clair Obscur: Expedition 33
, a critically acclaimed JRPG developed by Sandfall Interactive, was disqualified from the 2025 Indie Game Awards (IGAs) and had its Game of the Year and Best Debut Game awards stripped due to the use of generative AI"
DarkElegance
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Sat, Jan 31They tried to backtrack and say "the textures were placeholders..." and the backlash from the gaming community and market was PROFOUND
Quote:They tried to backtrack and say "the textures were placeholders..." and the backlash from the gaming community and market was PROFOUND
So "profound" that
This game still has overwhelming positive reviews on steam
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1903340/Clair_Obscur_Expedition_33/#app_reviews_hash
Tip: Do not confuse a few loud goobers on Reddit/twitterX with
"profound" industry impact.
AI is not the Poison pill that people seem desperate to believe it is.
So "profound" that
This game still has overwhelming positive reviews on steam
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1903340/Clair_Obscur_Expedition_33/#app_reviews_hash
Tip: Do not confuse a few loud goobers on Reddit/twitterX with
"profound" industry impact.
AI is not the Poison pill that people seem desperate to believe it is.
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DarkElegance
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Sat, Jan 31It was literally stripped of its awards. OFFICIALLY.
Please dont try and say the screaming masses of prompt sloppists is equivalent to an industries awards.
Please dont try and say the screaming masses of prompt sloppists is equivalent to an industries awards.
DarkElegance
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Sat, Jan 31Infact...there have been several companies that have tried to slide AI into the artwork and fans revolted at it.
This includes (and still ongoing) with WoTC.
Clair Obscur.
Programs such as Adobe have to constantly release statements in regards to what genAI it is implementing as the users are worried of “Harvesting
Programs like "Affinity" by canva has been not only accused, but found to be factually harvesting art work that is ran through its programs.
While other companies go to great lengths to reassure their user base, they "wont give in" to AI.
A recent report showed that 95% of companies that employ genAI fail, lose money and actually have to hire people to then correct issues.
People are sick of the SLOP. (word of the year btw)
Sick of the fake, copy/paste prompt-addicts that don't care the effect it has on an industry.
It IS the poison pill.
Shall we address the horrific cost environmentally?
Or is that just a easy acceptance as...maybe you can afford a new planet? Energy costs? Water waste?....
You want to bathe in the AI slop, there are plenty of sites literally dedicated to the mess.
WHY force it on a 3d render site?
This includes (and still ongoing) with WoTC.
Clair Obscur.
Programs such as Adobe have to constantly release statements in regards to what genAI it is implementing as the users are worried of “Harvesting
Programs like "Affinity" by canva has been not only accused, but found to be factually harvesting art work that is ran through its programs.
While other companies go to great lengths to reassure their user base, they "wont give in" to AI.
A recent report showed that 95% of companies that employ genAI fail, lose money and actually have to hire people to then correct issues.
People are sick of the SLOP. (word of the year btw)
Sick of the fake, copy/paste prompt-addicts that don't care the effect it has on an industry.
It IS the poison pill.
Shall we address the horrific cost environmentally?
Or is that just a easy acceptance as...maybe you can afford a new planet? Energy costs? Water waste?....
You want to bathe in the AI slop, there are plenty of sites literally dedicated to the mess.
WHY force it on a 3d render site?
DustRider
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Sun, Feb 01You got my interest with the awards that Clair Obscur lost, (I'm not a gamer and it's all new to me) so I looked into it. They indeed lost 3 awards from the Indie Game Awards 2025 (Game of the Year, Best Debut Game, and Indie Vanguard Award). I think it's important to keep in mind that according to what I read, during the application process they had to sign a document stating they did not use an AI. There were some AI texture "place holders" they forgot or missed replacing that were generated with AI. The IGA are very strict about no AI, so they lost the awards.
However, according to Wikipedia, Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 has won 26 other awards, was nominated for 9 more that were not won, and there are 26 pending for 2026, and long listed for another 17 in 2026 (not including the 3 that were lost). It would seem that while the IGA is very aniti AI, other organizations don't seem to have those same strict policies. Again, I don't know that much about gaming or the gaming community, but from this 20,000 ft. view, it seems that AI is at least somewhat acceptable to the majority of the game award groups.
However, according to Wikipedia, Clair Obscur: Expedition 33 has won 26 other awards, was nominated for 9 more that were not won, and there are 26 pending for 2026, and long listed for another 17 in 2026 (not including the 3 that were lost). It would seem that while the IGA is very aniti AI, other organizations don't seem to have those same strict policies. Again, I don't know that much about gaming or the gaming community, but from this 20,000 ft. view, it seems that AI is at least somewhat acceptable to the majority of the game award groups.
DarkElegance
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Sun, Feb 01It has won awards. But the officials were stripped from them. Why? Lying about the AI.
There was also a backlash in regard to it. Same with other companies that tried to use it "under the table".
And NVIDIA is now facing their own issues in regard to genAI. And they are the big kaiju of AI.
Does genAI get attention? Sadly, Yes. Does that mean it is right? NO.
It is the easy, way out. Of course, it is going to get attention.
That doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.
Particularly on a site literally designed and marketed to 3d content!
GenAI can not be copyrighted. And most prompts now are copy/paste. (btw you want to see savage? The ironic fights between prompt posters and copyright. IRONIC Is an understatement)
So not even effort put into that.
This is a 3d site! How on earth is genAI fitting into that?
Its not 3d(no, sorry the models are naf and again, not copyrightable)
Its not even ART.
What place does it have??
And I LOVE how people slide right over the environmental cost! Lets ignore that!
There was also a backlash in regard to it. Same with other companies that tried to use it "under the table".
And NVIDIA is now facing their own issues in regard to genAI. And they are the big kaiju of AI.
Does genAI get attention? Sadly, Yes. Does that mean it is right? NO.
It is the easy, way out. Of course, it is going to get attention.
That doesn't mean it is the right thing to do.
Particularly on a site literally designed and marketed to 3d content!
GenAI can not be copyrighted. And most prompts now are copy/paste. (btw you want to see savage? The ironic fights between prompt posters and copyright. IRONIC Is an understatement)
So not even effort put into that.
This is a 3d site! How on earth is genAI fitting into that?
Its not 3d(no, sorry the models are naf and again, not copyrightable)
Its not even ART.
What place does it have??
And I LOVE how people slide right over the environmental cost! Lets ignore that!
Sorry! Forgot the current discord issue and the threat of mass exodus from it as they are now stating any images posted through it, will be used in "training" AI.
FORGOT that one. Though their survey on AI didnt go as they thought it would. Thinking they would get loads of support...surprise...it didnt
FORGOT that one. Though their survey on AI didnt go as they thought it would. Thinking they would get loads of support...surprise...it didnt
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6. Scraping of art from the RenderHub marketplace to include Gallery images, promotional photos, avatars, and any other art found on RenderHub for the purpose of training a machine model of any kind; but especially for generative "AI" is FORBIDDEN.
6. Scraping of art from the RenderHub marketplace to include Gallery images, promotional photos, avatars, and any other art found on RenderHub for the purpose of training a machine model of any kind; but especially for generative "AI" is FORBIDDEN.
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