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For those of you who don't already know me, my name is Ion, and I am the CEO of RenderHub.
I wanted to post about why we had to pull NSFW content from the site. But first I want to say that this is not something I wanted to do. It was a necessary step to ensure that the site will be able to continue to operate.
This was a very hard and sad decision on my part, but I felt it was better to do this proactively considering how much things have been changing. In the past couple of years, sites like Steam, Jinxxy, Tumblr, Gumroad, Patreon, Itch.io, and CGTrader have all had to remove NSFW content to comply with payment processor rules. And we all know about the terrible problems Renderotica is currently dealing with.
So, I am not making an apology, because I believe this was the right thing to do. But I want the community to know that the frustration, anger, sadness and worry that you all are feeling is shared, because I feel exactly the same way. If there is something I could do to keep the site as it was I would do it immediately.
I don't like censorship, and I want our users to be able to speak freely in our forums, and to have full creative freedom in the gallery and marketplace. But unfortunately, at the same time we have to stay compliant with our partners if we expect them to continue to do business with us, and allow us to continue as a site.
Know that we are on the same side. I am also an artist and 3d creator, and I created RenderHub to give people a place where they can be creative and express themselves in every way. I am open to suggestions about anything I can do to help make this easier for everyone involved.
I will be on this thread to try and answer as many questions as I can.
I wanted to post about why we had to pull NSFW content from the site. But first I want to say that this is not something I wanted to do. It was a necessary step to ensure that the site will be able to continue to operate.
This was a very hard and sad decision on my part, but I felt it was better to do this proactively considering how much things have been changing. In the past couple of years, sites like Steam, Jinxxy, Tumblr, Gumroad, Patreon, Itch.io, and CGTrader have all had to remove NSFW content to comply with payment processor rules. And we all know about the terrible problems Renderotica is currently dealing with.
So, I am not making an apology, because I believe this was the right thing to do. But I want the community to know that the frustration, anger, sadness and worry that you all are feeling is shared, because I feel exactly the same way. If there is something I could do to keep the site as it was I would do it immediately.
I don't like censorship, and I want our users to be able to speak freely in our forums, and to have full creative freedom in the gallery and marketplace. But unfortunately, at the same time we have to stay compliant with our partners if we expect them to continue to do business with us, and allow us to continue as a site.
Know that we are on the same side. I am also an artist and 3d creator, and I created RenderHub to give people a place where they can be creative and express themselves in every way. I am open to suggestions about anything I can do to help make this easier for everyone involved.
I will be on this thread to try and answer as many questions as I can.
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Why then was there no heads up to the people that lined your wallets...the vendors?
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Ion
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Wed, Jul 08Because we didn't have the luxury of time on our side. Otherwise I would have loved to done this in a more stepped manner.
Helioxentric
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Wed, Jul 08Why was there no time? What kind of time frame was there between discussing options and having to make this decision?
Wolf007
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Wed, Jul 08QUOTE: "... it was better to do this proactively..."
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QUOTE: "...we didn't have the luxury of time on our side..."
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QUOTE: "...we didn't have the luxury of time on our side..."
SnarlTheWerewolfWed, Jul 08
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For those of us leaving the store, can we just get a final payout for July with our June payment and then get some sort of confirmation that are store has been taken down?
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Ion
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Wed, Jul 08Payments will process the normal way, and anyone who wants to close their store certainly can, just let us know.
SnarlTheWerewolf
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Wed, Jul 08Thanks. Do we just put in a ticket for it? And I do need to wait for the July payout before I close it, or can I close it now and still get the June/July payout on their normal days?
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08Just send support a message, and you don't have to worry about payment at all. All balances will be paid.
SnarlTheWerewolf
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Wed, Jul 08Got it. Thank you.
Make a separate plan for Erotica artists brother.
Come on!
If anyone has the experience and skill to do this, it's you.
I will IMMEDIATELY post all my stuff here if you do this.
Come on!
If anyone has the experience and skill to do this, it's you.
I will IMMEDIATELY post all my stuff here if you do this.
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Ion
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Wed, Jul 08Thanks, it is part of the discussion here, but we have to get through this storm first.
erogenesis
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Wed, Jul 08Thank you. Keep your people posted and don't beat around the bush with that corporate jargon!
I will be watching!
I will be watching!
Ext3nd Studio
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Thu, Jul 09@Ion this mean that you will divide Renderhub in a sort of Renderosity and Renderotica?
B-monster666
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Thu, Jul 09That's exactly what sites like Civitai and Tensorhub did in the AI model sphere.
I don't understand something... On Pornhub, OnlyFans, etc., it's a free-for-all, they rake in millions of dollars in revenue... but they don't want to condone selling a 3D dildo ?
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BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08Yep.
It has NOTHING to do with "PROTECTING THE KIDS" load of bull.
Its more Digital ID BS that no one wants. Kids can still get Porn the Illegal way. This is literally going to bite them in the ass...
It has NOTHING to do with "PROTECTING THE KIDS" load of bull.
Its more Digital ID BS that no one wants. Kids can still get Porn the Illegal way. This is literally going to bite them in the ass...
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08Things have changed around adult content allot, some adult sites aren't even accessible from certain states.
BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08@Ion - and guess what mindset those states are run?
Don't even get me started on that, Ion.
What is coming, is UNAVOIDABLE, and rather not get into that rabbit hole debate...
Don't even get me started on that, Ion.
What is coming, is UNAVOIDABLE, and rather not get into that rabbit hole debate...
Helioxentric
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Wed, Jul 08@BeastGohanofTruth You should quit while you're ahead then. There's no point in commenting if you're just going to regurgitate the same arguments repeatedly, not have any genuine questions, and do nothing to move the conversation forward in any beneficial way. It's wasting everyone's time and energy, and is only further annoying people.
tleonhart
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Fri, Jul 31Yes and another other porn sites that accept all credit cards. In Brazil, they approved a abused law, that fucked up that everything. But the crimes, and real criminal are not affected.
Ion that just doesn't make sense. I can understand why you had to remove adult content, I've actually been expecting that. But I can't believe this was a sudden revelation, and a lot of that content could have been mitigated, that's what Renderotica has been doing for a while now.
And this is the third time decisions have been made in this manner, first it was comics, then it was... whatever you were closing stores for, the rules were murky on that. Then the wholesale closing of a whole category.
So while I can respect and understand the decision to exit adult content, the whole process of how it was done does not sit well.
In light of all the other events you yourself just stated, Renderotica, DA, Patreon, Gumroad, etc, it is really difficult to believe you just woke up one morning and realized adult content had to go.
I've been expecting something like this for months now.
If nothing else the way it was done demonstrates really bad planning.
And this is the third time decisions have been made in this manner, first it was comics, then it was... whatever you were closing stores for, the rules were murky on that. Then the wholesale closing of a whole category.
So while I can respect and understand the decision to exit adult content, the whole process of how it was done does not sit well.
In light of all the other events you yourself just stated, Renderotica, DA, Patreon, Gumroad, etc, it is really difficult to believe you just woke up one morning and realized adult content had to go.
I've been expecting something like this for months now.
If nothing else the way it was done demonstrates really bad planning.
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Ion
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Wed, Jul 08You are right, I didn't just wake up with the idea. We had a serious issue arise that suddenly put us under the microscope. So I decided to act proactively instead of waiting for the hammer to drop.
BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08@ion - you mean you got the call. Just tell us the truth, you were told to PUSH CENSORSHIP by ZIONIST FAKE CHRISTIANS, who are in the pockets of this CULT, to stop Creativity.
Anyone with DISCERNABLE QUALIA can see through your load of bull...
Anyone with DISCERNABLE QUALIA can see through your load of bull...
BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08Well something feels VERY FISHY here, cause the signs line up with what happened to Tumblr back in the day, and evne Share CG....
diogenese19348
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Wed, Jul 08I run an adult art site, and I've got a feeling I know what kind of issue it was, when it occurred, and why you can't go into any more detail about it. Also why it's the kind of thing that will cause "under the microscope". So OK, I'll stop on the "you had plenty of time" topic.
The problem you have at the moment is a lack of trust due to the opaqueness of the situation. My unsolicited advice is behind the scenes you need to work with the effected vendors to allow them to edit their catalogs to get the items that can be sold without sexuality back.
If you don't do something you are going to be hemorrhaging competent vendors because if you read through that original forum thread you might notice a good 60% of the posters who were up and arms were vendors, not customers.
The problem you have at the moment is a lack of trust due to the opaqueness of the situation. My unsolicited advice is behind the scenes you need to work with the effected vendors to allow them to edit their catalogs to get the items that can be sold without sexuality back.
If you don't do something you are going to be hemorrhaging competent vendors because if you read through that original forum thread you might notice a good 60% of the posters who were up and arms were vendors, not customers.
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08The best thing to do is just go into product manager, make any changes to promo images or descriptions, then save it. The Adult rating will still be selected, but the item will queue up for us to check and we can change it to Mature if it is all good.
db xxx
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Wed, Jul 08We can't save the product after editing promo. It says I must set content rating before saving and it's greyed out.
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08Try it now to see if it will save. Let me know and I will check it on my end.
db xxx
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Wed, Jul 08Works now. Couple of questions. If there is a naked female chest on a promo can it go into mature or do I have to remove all nudity even top one? Also what about blood? I have an product of blood decals, can that be sold under mature?
db xxx
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Wed, Jul 08That's good. Can you just make it clear to where is the line on nudity. Is full frontal nudity OK or just like topless? If full frontal is OK then what about genital products for DazStudio, if there is no sex on the promo and no sex poses or any poses in the package shouldn't that also be just nudity? Also are sex toys adult only?
db xxx
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Wed, Jul 08It would help if we had a clear and detailed set of rules on what exactly is mature and where is exactly the line between mature and adult only.
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08So, this is kind of subjective. Full nudity should be ok, but if it is too explicit (spreading, etc.) we may kick it back. Best way is to submit stuff and if we kick it back it helps to figure out where the line is.
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08We can update our Mature Content Policy, to help be more specific, but this is always going to be a bit subjective.
db xxx
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Wed, Jul 08OK so no repercussions for submitting something that crosses the border it will just be rejected? And nudity is OK if it is not sexual but no sex toys?
diogenese19348
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Wed, Jul 08Your eggplant should be OK. As long as of course it's just an eggplant 
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08"OK so no repercussions for submitting something that crosses the border it will just be rejected? And nudity is OK if it is not sexual but no sex toys?"
Yes, if we reject something no repercussions at all, and you can adjust and resubmit.
Yes, if we reject something no repercussions at all, and you can adjust and resubmit.
Just curious, since Adult was gutted entirely, what will happen to the few entries that seemed to be removed from the robot contest that were marked as adult for one reason or other? Are they still visible on the judges end and will be considered but just invisible?
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Ion
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Wed, Jul 08I am going to check those, they will probably be moved to mature and returned to the contest and site.
Splatterbaby
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Wed, Jul 08You put my image in adult for the Sexy robot comp. I followed your rules and at best it was mature. Nothing showed any signed of nudity or her getting drilled, literally a robot charging and enjoying it . I asked so many times and I got robot telling me it was her pose . Do you understand how frustrating it is to put this amount of work in this , followed your rules and you do this ? It clearly states it was mature by your rules but for some reason you gutted it. Anyone can see it was not adult. End of the day it was accepted into the comp. It was for a SEXY robot. It was on top and well received by people And you purposefully put it in adult as you knew it would get gutted.. Kinda sux dude. Go reinstate it . “Charging “ is the image . As for the people selling stuff . You massacred so many lives so quickly. Really badly done .
Splatterbaby
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Wed, Jul 08Well that was selfish of me. Reinstate everyone’s image banned in the comp.just so damn angry here but we learn when we mess up 
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08Don't worry about the contest ones, I am checking those and moving back to mature.
Splatterbaby
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Mon, Jul 13@Ion I take it your not adding mine back? I see all the others there now so that's at least a nice thing to have done.
This now sets a precedent that does tell customers and creators alike you will make sweeping decisions that can impact their purchasing and livelihoods over what you promise is not but functionally appears like a whim. That precedent is with adult content, but does it follow that other content such as ported assets from other media are next? Why should customers and creators continue to trust RenderHub when we were not even trusted with notice, much less input?
I understand slippery slope arguments are largely exercises in navel gazing, but for creators both current and prospect, why should they continue to try and build their brand here when this was deemed the best course of action and manner to navigate it?
I learned long ago that when someone asks for forgiveness before permission it is simply because you were not worth the time to them. Business and social contracts are much the same. When any commercial body does not care enough to warn and help the very vendors who create the wares they offer, they almost certainly care less for the customers paying for said goods.
I am sorry but I at least do not buy this explanation as presented. This was not President Truman being called in the midnight hour to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki, nor any other eleventh hour Gordion knot that would make King Solomon blush. There absolutely was time to communicate to both your customers and vendors of the decision being weighed and then made. Listing previous examples with other companies illustrates that bold faced. This was something being considered, likely for a while and at least as far back as Steam and Renderotica's woes came to light., the former of which being no small story in the news cycle even outside this niche market. It's obvious for any bisuness why this decision would be important. The actions taken by RenderHub show the vendors and customers being informed during all that time was not.
I'm sorry, but that trust is shattered.
I understand slippery slope arguments are largely exercises in navel gazing, but for creators both current and prospect, why should they continue to try and build their brand here when this was deemed the best course of action and manner to navigate it?
I learned long ago that when someone asks for forgiveness before permission it is simply because you were not worth the time to them. Business and social contracts are much the same. When any commercial body does not care enough to warn and help the very vendors who create the wares they offer, they almost certainly care less for the customers paying for said goods.
I am sorry but I at least do not buy this explanation as presented. This was not President Truman being called in the midnight hour to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki, nor any other eleventh hour Gordion knot that would make King Solomon blush. There absolutely was time to communicate to both your customers and vendors of the decision being weighed and then made. Listing previous examples with other companies illustrates that bold faced. This was something being considered, likely for a while and at least as far back as Steam and Renderotica's woes came to light., the former of which being no small story in the news cycle even outside this niche market. It's obvious for any bisuness why this decision would be important. The actions taken by RenderHub show the vendors and customers being informed during all that time was not.
I'm sorry, but that trust is shattered.
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B-monster666
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Thu, Jul 09100% agree with you! A few weeks ago a number of vendors were whisked away without any kind of warning, or transparency as to why. I had said at the time that I get when it comes to something illegal being marketed, you would see a vendor or two disappear, but this was broad and heavy handed and very sketchy to say the least.
If there was an illegal underground market being operated here, call it out. And I had said, even at the time, that a mass decision like that, whatever it is, causes a slippery slope. There were a number of people, particularly NSFW vendors, who didn't seem bothered by it. And here we are, free fall down that slippery slope.
How long before it's deemed that I'm not allowed to download any of my assets that I have already purchased are is? As a consumer, that thought scares me also...my own purchases disappearing because someone else didn't think I should have them, and someone else is setting my morals for me.
Sunsetting would have been appreciated. Telling the users outright: "We will be migrating away from NSFW content by X date. Vendors will have time to move their products off, and consumers will have time to purchase what they want, and get it."
If there was an illegal underground market being operated here, call it out. And I had said, even at the time, that a mass decision like that, whatever it is, causes a slippery slope. There were a number of people, particularly NSFW vendors, who didn't seem bothered by it. And here we are, free fall down that slippery slope.
How long before it's deemed that I'm not allowed to download any of my assets that I have already purchased are is? As a consumer, that thought scares me also...my own purchases disappearing because someone else didn't think I should have them, and someone else is setting my morals for me.
Sunsetting would have been appreciated. Telling the users outright: "We will be migrating away from NSFW content by X date. Vendors will have time to move their products off, and consumers will have time to purchase what they want, and get it."
stevenjoseph8844
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Thu, Jul 09@B-monster666
Obviously, if RenderHub could have "sunsetted" the adult products over a period of time, they would have done so.
Just think about it for one second... Why would they give up those potential sales?
Obviously, if RenderHub could have "sunsetted" the adult products over a period of time, they would have done so.
Just think about it for one second... Why would they give up those potential sales?
TCG3D
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Thu, Jul 09I really have come to love RenderHub as a source for content I wouldn't find at DAZ proper, so I sincerely want to be able to trust it as a platform, but this sudden sweeping action makes that difficult to do so moving forward.
As a consumer I feel like a not insignificant part of my purchases past and future have been curtailed by this decision. My primary concern is for the vendors that made RenderHub their home getting so severely whiplashed by this. What assistance and assurances is there for them? Why should they (and we as a result) continue to support this storefront?
I feel bad for Ion and the people at RenderHub for being put in this precarious position that forced their hand. I believe them when they say it was not something they wanted to do as it is incongruous with how they conducted business here beforehand. I just strongly disagree with how it was handled and the insistence that the immediate excision of all adult content with no forewarning was the best direction.
Perhaps it was all that was on the table, but then I ask why were there not discussions already in place about how to deal with adult content when Steam was so publicly wrestling with VISA? Why delete instead of simply hiding and deactivating sale of adult items so that vendors would be able to alter the sales page to make them compliant with Mature rating and then resume sales?
This move, while clearly coerced unto RenderHub, is controversial for good reason. It is very disheartening.
I'll continue to support the vendors who provide content I wish to purchase, but I'm skeptical about endorsing RenderHub to my peers looking for a place to open up shop when before most testimonials I'd heard were largely glowing in comparison to any other option. Stability is important when conducting business, and trust is a bridge that one burnt is very difficult to rebuild.
Not impossible, but certainly every step forward now has to be cautious.
As a consumer I feel like a not insignificant part of my purchases past and future have been curtailed by this decision. My primary concern is for the vendors that made RenderHub their home getting so severely whiplashed by this. What assistance and assurances is there for them? Why should they (and we as a result) continue to support this storefront?
I feel bad for Ion and the people at RenderHub for being put in this precarious position that forced their hand. I believe them when they say it was not something they wanted to do as it is incongruous with how they conducted business here beforehand. I just strongly disagree with how it was handled and the insistence that the immediate excision of all adult content with no forewarning was the best direction.
Perhaps it was all that was on the table, but then I ask why were there not discussions already in place about how to deal with adult content when Steam was so publicly wrestling with VISA? Why delete instead of simply hiding and deactivating sale of adult items so that vendors would be able to alter the sales page to make them compliant with Mature rating and then resume sales?
This move, while clearly coerced unto RenderHub, is controversial for good reason. It is very disheartening.
I'll continue to support the vendors who provide content I wish to purchase, but I'm skeptical about endorsing RenderHub to my peers looking for a place to open up shop when before most testimonials I'd heard were largely glowing in comparison to any other option. Stability is important when conducting business, and trust is a bridge that one burnt is very difficult to rebuild.
Not impossible, but certainly every step forward now has to be cautious.
stevenjoseph8844
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Thu, Jul 09@TCG3D
"simply hiding and deactivating sale of adult items so that vendors would be able to alter the sales page to make them compliant"
You must have missed that discussion elsewhere in this thread. That's exactly what RenderHub did, and exactly what some vendors are doing.
"simply hiding and deactivating sale of adult items so that vendors would be able to alter the sales page to make them compliant"
You must have missed that discussion elsewhere in this thread. That's exactly what RenderHub did, and exactly what some vendors are doing.
TCG3D
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Thu, Jul 09I must have missed that entirely, and if that's the case then I own that error and apologize. Was that initially the case or a later development? In any case, that's better than I understood, but nevertheless this is still an awful development.
stevenjoseph8844
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Thu, Jul 09From what I understand, vendors' affected products didn't disappear in their vendor tools. They could make adjustments and resubmit. It might not have been perfectly clear, but it was covered by the CEO and another admin here in this thread.
creativeguy59
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Wed, Jul 22I also agree. I can understand the woes around the Adult content. I don't really believe that it was a sudden we are under attack for it and had to react. Generally, from my experience your given time frames to correct an issue. In any event this wasn't handled well and you can't really have trust when there is also a lack of transparency. I can't really believe they can't talk about the trigger for this either. Not like an NDA really would make sense in this case unless the site is going to be purchased or what not... I mean a processor isn't going to give a crap if folks know they have the power thus don't really need to care about niceties etc.
There has been no real concrete reasons, general lack of transparency, and a history of snap decisions that don't involve folks. I really can't see anything that would of been such an imminent threat that the site had to do this at this speed. Well things don't add up in general don't pass the smell test. Is there an issue most likely, but did it require an instant decision that is where I doubt.
Lack of transparency breeds lack of trust. That lack of transparency seems suspicious as I can't see a reasonable blocker to being able to disclose the actual issue, stating there was an "generic incident" that triggered this event doesn't really cut it.
In the end it doesn't matter, site is closed to Adult content and isn't going to address it like Renderotica is doing and attempting to do with its processors. Rendoerotica at least has been very transparent with what is happening, situation sucks, but they were honest and transparent about the issue. I see no reason why there is a lack of transparency here on RH. People make excuses for it but none of it really makes sense. All they've done is been foggy and waving their hands with jedi mind tricks, getting folks to come up with reasons that most likely aren't is what really going on. Anyways, wish them luck with it all. Transparency for the win, thanks Renderotica.
There has been no real concrete reasons, general lack of transparency, and a history of snap decisions that don't involve folks. I really can't see anything that would of been such an imminent threat that the site had to do this at this speed. Well things don't add up in general don't pass the smell test. Is there an issue most likely, but did it require an instant decision that is where I doubt.
Lack of transparency breeds lack of trust. That lack of transparency seems suspicious as I can't see a reasonable blocker to being able to disclose the actual issue, stating there was an "generic incident" that triggered this event doesn't really cut it.
In the end it doesn't matter, site is closed to Adult content and isn't going to address it like Renderotica is doing and attempting to do with its processors. Rendoerotica at least has been very transparent with what is happening, situation sucks, but they were honest and transparent about the issue. I see no reason why there is a lack of transparency here on RH. People make excuses for it but none of it really makes sense. All they've done is been foggy and waving their hands with jedi mind tricks, getting folks to come up with reasons that most likely aren't is what really going on. Anyways, wish them luck with it all. Transparency for the win, thanks Renderotica.
BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 22@creativeguy - Exactly.
We're not being told the FULL FACTS here, but at this point, whatever did happen, is probably going to give MAJOR reperucssions to the future of this site in a bad way. It is what it is...
We're not being told the FULL FACTS here, but at this point, whatever did happen, is probably going to give MAJOR reperucssions to the future of this site in a bad way. It is what it is...
creativeguy59
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Sat, Jul 25I don't really buy into the world was going to crash in any minute and we had no choice to be unprofessional, poorly communicative, and toss in obfuscation and vagueness in there for good measure. I suppose I really hate seeing a lot of the vendors I like here get shafted.
But I agree in the end doesn't really matter. But burning bridges and folks in this process will affect their "Karma" in the end. Just the way the world rumbles. But enough said, I got better places to spend money and support. Nothing I am going to say changes squat
But I agree in the end doesn't really matter. But burning bridges and folks in this process will affect their "Karma" in the end. Just the way the world rumbles. But enough said, I got better places to spend money and support. Nothing I am going to say changes squat
The feeling and problem are still prevalent and will be near impossible to shake in the future after this. There a far too few vendors in this market, they communicate, they remember, they know the problem sites. This promotes a death knell for some sites that are far larger than this one.
Basically, it's like RenderHub just said, "So Long, and Thanks for All the Porn Money."
Basically, it's like RenderHub just said, "So Long, and Thanks for All the Porn Money."
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This has been a PR nightmare and a poor display of communication attempts. I mean, the sudden "We're getting rid of porn on the site, thank you for you attention to this matter" statement in a boilerplate package that you had to look for after piecing together that things were changed and missing isn't exactly building trust with the community, one of this site's strongest features.
Is there any consideration of finding a new payment partner that would be a bit more tolerant or conducive of adult material? I don't know if it's going to bring burned artists and vendors back, but having this be a temporary thing would go over maybe slightly better than something permanent.
This also complicates all that gray area stuff that straddles between the mature content and adult content. Some liked to play it safe and move it up a category (especially in the gallery), where now they're probably wishing they'd just moved it down as now it'd still be around.
Is there any consideration of finding a new payment partner that would be a bit more tolerant or conducive of adult material? I don't know if it's going to bring burned artists and vendors back, but having this be a temporary thing would go over maybe slightly better than something permanent.
This also complicates all that gray area stuff that straddles between the mature content and adult content. Some liked to play it safe and move it up a category (especially in the gallery), where now they're probably wishing they'd just moved it down as now it'd still be around.
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I have essentially lost my job with this change, and I know I'm not the only one in that situation. It feels like such a betrayal, especially since there have been other sites that faced the same payment processor pushback and found a work around.
There is literally no alternative for 3d assets and the majority of my sales have been NSFW. Years of work..... just gone.
There is literally no alternative for 3d assets and the majority of my sales have been NSFW. Years of work..... just gone.
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Ion
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Wed, Jul 08"especially since there have been other sites that faced the same payment processor pushback and found a work around. "
Really??? Most other 3D sites have removed the NSFW stuff, and Renderotica has not been able to process payments for weeks. And somehow we are the bad-guys for trying to prevent the same situation here.
Really??? Most other 3D sites have removed the NSFW stuff, and Renderotica has not been able to process payments for weeks. And somehow we are the bad-guys for trying to prevent the same situation here.
jmper
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Wed, Jul 08Yes, 'bad-guys'. Sorry, I know as a CEO you don't want to hear that but that is the perception from most. This last minute change to adult content must have been triggered so quickly that, as a company, you had no choice but a split-second decision with no forewarning what-so-ever.
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08I promise we would have waited if we could. I have no reason to have wanted to do this so suddenly. I benefit in no way for doing that, actually quite the opposite.
janey
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Wed, Jul 08No for 3D assets but I know Itch.io and PixivFanbox has similar issues with payment processors but managed to find a way to still allow adult content.
Wolf007
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Wed, Jul 08QUOTE: "Yes, 'bad-guys'. Sorry, I know as a CEO you don't want to hear that but that is the perception from most. This last minute change to adult content must have been triggered so quickly that, as a company, you had no choice but a split-second decision with no forewarning what-so-ever."
And they have the nerve to call it 'proactive'.
And they have the nerve to call it 'proactive'.
MagicShoppe
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Mon, Jul 13@janey,. itch.io did the same thing that happened here. All adult stuff was yanked and re-evaluated case-by-case over the following months.
Anyone wanting to resubmit marketplace items as "Mature" after making revisions, it should be working properly now.
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Boobs Academy
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Thu, Jul 09Is there any time limit, i mean will the old adult products stay in the system forever and you can handle such adjustments later when the dust has settled?
oomphy
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Thu, Jul 09This^ Is there a guarantee that this whole thing won't happen again? Or is it only temporary until another company pressure you to do the same thing again? I personally don't mind adapting to the new policy & maybe get creative with all the limitations but how safe is Mature content from being suddenly removed just like the Adult content?
sharp8322
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Thu, Jul 09I'm not even a vender and think waht you did was the most disrepspectful and und professional way of doing it and you deserve every bit of the backlash you getting for it
Mostly curious and doubt it'll get a satisfactory answer but im assuming based on some responses that this isn't the "usual" card companies forcing compliance but something a tad different? It feels abrupt that all the explicit adult content is gone from here but a lot of the other sites have had more time to warn and adjust without a total expunge of content.
Or am i just looking too deep?
Or am i just looking too deep?
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RyanTheUser18
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Wed, Jul 08I think you're right about that. The moment I got an email today about the changes to remove NSFW content, I was like: "Yep, incoming shitstorm."
They really could have at least warn about it eariler, like 30 days as someone said. Something feels off about all of this, honestly.
They really could have at least warn about it eariler, like 30 days as someone said. Something feels off about all of this, honestly.
Helioxentric
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Wed, Jul 08@Ion How imminent? I asked you earlier about what sort of time window the site had to make a decision before the rug got pulled and received no answer. Knowing that would go a long way of explaining why you felt you "didn't have the luxury of time" in terms of giving users advanced notice.
Markies58
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Wed, Jul 08That's the problem. Payment processors do not issue a warning.
Once you're on their radar, the clock is ticking.
They point at their terms, re-define 'adult' and freeze your financial account(s).
The "Sword of Damocles".
Once you're on their radar, the clock is ticking.
They point at their terms, re-define 'adult' and freeze your financial account(s).
The "Sword of Damocles".
Helioxentric
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Wed, Jul 08@Markies58 That sounds like a warning to me. And they absolutely do issue warnings. Many of the previously mentioned sites that have had to purge adult oriented content received some sort of notice from processors to respond or be denied service.
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08@Markies58
Exactly! We felt like the clock was ticking, and if we were going to get audited we needed to have our ducks in a row.
Exactly! We felt like the clock was ticking, and if we were going to get audited we needed to have our ducks in a row.
Can we at least have the option to link to Patreon now?
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Ion
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Wed, Jul 08I don't think we can, the content being on the site and accessible is the issue.
janey
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Wed, Jul 08So we can't sell our NSFW assets here, but we can't advertise one of the only places where we can? Man, that just sucks.
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08It really does suck. I wish there was a way we could do this without the risk.
janey
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Wed, Jul 08Like....just allow us to mention it in our descriptions. "Hey support me on patreon!"
That's literally all.
That's literally all.
MagicShoppe
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Mon, Jul 13Patreon doesn't allow public facing adult content. How would it be accessible?
Many people are upset, and the situation is understandable. What I perceive is that Renderhub held on until the very end to maintain that 3D niche so as not to affect those sellers. But when you see the risk of losing the entire store for wanting to maintain that niche, and you're already being warned that they're coming for you and you run the risk of your store being shut down for lack of payments, what the Administration is doing is logical: saving the store and several sellers, rather than dying a hero defending a niche that those in power are clearly willing to eliminate.
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Ion
Talk to 3DLoki from Rotica. They recently ditched a CC processor that required them to drop all manner of content from Rotica.
Now, if you know Rotica, a lot of stuff there is pretty crazy, even for me. Chances are that CC processor would be perfect for here.
I mean, you haven't ever permitted cannibalism here, right?
Give it a try.
Talk to 3DLoki from Rotica. They recently ditched a CC processor that required them to drop all manner of content from Rotica.
Now, if you know Rotica, a lot of stuff there is pretty crazy, even for me. Chances are that CC processor would be perfect for here.
I mean, you haven't ever permitted cannibalism here, right?
Give it a try.
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I think it's fair we know exactly what happened. If PayPal, Mastercard or Visa didn't suddenly gang up on you, who did?
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Ion
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Wed, Jul 08I know this makes me sound like a complete ass, but I can't discuss it.
All I can say is something serious happened that put us on the "radar".
All I can say is something serious happened that put us on the "radar".
MarkWhite
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Wed, Jul 08Yeah, I get it, the Internet is getting its assed kicked every which way with NSFW. Grok has a NSFW button and it doesn't even work. I really feel sorry for all the people suffering from this mess.
Katsuyaki
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Mon, Jul 13"I know this makes me sound like a complete ass, but I can't discuss it.
All I can say is something serious happened that put us on the "radar"."
See, that lack of clarity is very difficult to accept. Unless you're under some kind of NDA, why not simply come clean and tell us exactly what happened? Everyone here -- myself included -- are making guesses as to who and why, leading to all kinds of assumptions and misunderstandings that you could clear up with a sentence or two : "X did this, Y said that, so we had to do Z.". Simple. I really don't think you owe anonymity to anyone threatening your livelihood.
All I can say is something serious happened that put us on the "radar"."
See, that lack of clarity is very difficult to accept. Unless you're under some kind of NDA, why not simply come clean and tell us exactly what happened? Everyone here -- myself included -- are making guesses as to who and why, leading to all kinds of assumptions and misunderstandings that you could clear up with a sentence or two : "X did this, Y said that, so we had to do Z.". Simple. I really don't think you owe anonymity to anyone threatening your livelihood.
While your honesty is appreciated, you contradict yourself and the original post and in your replies people point it out.
It is a shame you do not post evidence of the pressure, and even worse, you hold more power than any of us ever could. You could reach out to platforms who have faced this before and perhaps the lot of you could get together to prevent this from happening again. Because it just keeps happening despite hypocrisy- onlyfans is far worse than any fictional creation.
We cannot fight this battle for you until we get real evidence. We have sung to high heavens, and for about 2 weeks made a minor impact. But companies still fall short of SHOWING the demands.
show the companies reaching out to you. You think it stops here? They already came for the niche, you're the generalized market without catering deeply to niche.
if you show the proof, you will have less people pissed off because you've just killed your customers. The people who made you will not stand for this.
And no, i wont accept "something serious happened to put us on the radar".
Either help us help you, or respectfully, don't bother complaining looking for pity.
It is a shame you do not post evidence of the pressure, and even worse, you hold more power than any of us ever could. You could reach out to platforms who have faced this before and perhaps the lot of you could get together to prevent this from happening again. Because it just keeps happening despite hypocrisy- onlyfans is far worse than any fictional creation.
We cannot fight this battle for you until we get real evidence. We have sung to high heavens, and for about 2 weeks made a minor impact. But companies still fall short of SHOWING the demands.
show the companies reaching out to you. You think it stops here? They already came for the niche, you're the generalized market without catering deeply to niche.
if you show the proof, you will have less people pissed off because you've just killed your customers. The people who made you will not stand for this.
And no, i wont accept "something serious happened to put us on the radar".
Either help us help you, or respectfully, don't bother complaining looking for pity.
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Henrika
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Wed, Jul 08"And no, i wont accept "something serious happened to put us on the radar".
I won't accept this either. Transparency is absolutely essential for me to have a business relationship with someone. At least the new owners of R'otica posted detailed accounts of what happened to the store, and why.
This "something happened" BS simply will not do. And since this owner of this site has already proven to be dishonest, we can't truly trust any of their claims now.
I won't accept this either. Transparency is absolutely essential for me to have a business relationship with someone. At least the new owners of R'otica posted detailed accounts of what happened to the store, and why.
This "something happened" BS simply will not do. And since this owner of this site has already proven to be dishonest, we can't truly trust any of their claims now.
Henrika
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Wed, Jul 08I am concerned by your apparent lack of empathy toward the vendors, and your dishonesty. You were caught with a lie (that "moving forward in a new direction" post in case your memory fails you) and now, as erogenesis pointed out, you seem to be panicking. It's not a good look.
What you're seeing from your vendors is not merely anger, it's something worse: betrayal. Like I said before, the most valuable commodity you can trade is trust. You had ours until now, and now you don't have it.
If you see these comments as "woe is me" and my using you as a "punching bag" rather than feedback on a poor decision on your part, that is on you. I wish I could trust you, but at the moment I can't. And your "I really can't talk about it" replies aren't helping.
What you're seeing from your vendors is not merely anger, it's something worse: betrayal. Like I said before, the most valuable commodity you can trade is trust. You had ours until now, and now you don't have it.
If you see these comments as "woe is me" and my using you as a "punching bag" rather than feedback on a poor decision on your part, that is on you. I wish I could trust you, but at the moment I can't. And your "I really can't talk about it" replies aren't helping.
Henrika
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Wed, Jul 08@Ion Bruh... we can read. I don't see the point of repeating the same old message over and over again because it'd be like flogging a dead horse at this point, but we literally caught you with a lie. Now you can either own up to it and hopefully garner some goodwill from your vendors, or you can stubbornly keep repeating that you didn't lie when the forum post where you did is still up.
It's up to you, really.
It's up to you, really.
MadamSavvy
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Wed, Jul 08@ion you did not even have the decency to give people 24 hours. You chose this immediate and quick and left it up to "well fuck me i wont say sorry you guys just have to trust im totally upset too!"
Again, we don't want this but the difference is we will take time out of our lives to fight this for you. If you tell them no we wont play your censorial game, you would blow up over night across SO MANY POCKETS of the internet and everyone would hail you a free speech king. you could set up crowd funding if things got desperate. this battle has gone on for far longer than it should have, going back to 2012~
there is literally nothing in this world that could be so pressing that you needed to remove ALL NSFW.
what does that even mean? will the definition change? will basic anatomy not be allowed? basic 3d figures? because that could be problematic afterall- maybe not today but tomorrow.
so when do you decide to fight?
Again, we don't want this but the difference is we will take time out of our lives to fight this for you. If you tell them no we wont play your censorial game, you would blow up over night across SO MANY POCKETS of the internet and everyone would hail you a free speech king. you could set up crowd funding if things got desperate. this battle has gone on for far longer than it should have, going back to 2012~
there is literally nothing in this world that could be so pressing that you needed to remove ALL NSFW.
what does that even mean? will the definition change? will basic anatomy not be allowed? basic 3d figures? because that could be problematic afterall- maybe not today but tomorrow.
so when do you decide to fight?
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08I love this, and your spirit! Believe me, I am a fighter (I am Greek, its kinda in my DNA). But I am afraid this would be a fight we would loose. Sometimes fighting means you have to play the long game, and that takes strategy.
Henrika
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Wed, Jul 08No "love" from me back. I'll quote what you said and explain to anyone reading why it was dishonest.
Your quotes:
"After a great deal of consideration, we have made the difficult decision to discontinue adult content across the RenderHub platform."
Now you've backpedalled and said you had literally no time to make the decision and that Renderhub would go down in its entirety if you didn't make this change. You make it seem like it was YOUR decision reached "after a great deal of consideration", and now you claim you weren't even given enough time to notify the vendors. So which is it? Careful consideration, or being forced? If you had been honest from the start, you would have said why you had to remove the adult content, but you chose to lie (sorry; is obfuscate a better word?)
"So, why are we making this change?
Simply put, we believe this is the right decision for the long-term future of RenderHub."
You could have said the truth and told us the site would be taken down if this change was not implemented.
Because you chose dishonesty, we can't even trust that credit card processors are REALLY the driving force behind this decision. Someone (can't remember who) suggested that maybe you're selling the site to another company with a religious/anti-porn agenda and that CC processors have nothing to do with this.
I don't know your reasons, because you lied and then made another claim. Is it the truth this time?
Your quotes:
"After a great deal of consideration, we have made the difficult decision to discontinue adult content across the RenderHub platform."
Now you've backpedalled and said you had literally no time to make the decision and that Renderhub would go down in its entirety if you didn't make this change. You make it seem like it was YOUR decision reached "after a great deal of consideration", and now you claim you weren't even given enough time to notify the vendors. So which is it? Careful consideration, or being forced? If you had been honest from the start, you would have said why you had to remove the adult content, but you chose to lie (sorry; is obfuscate a better word?)
"So, why are we making this change?
Simply put, we believe this is the right decision for the long-term future of RenderHub."
You could have said the truth and told us the site would be taken down if this change was not implemented.
Because you chose dishonesty, we can't even trust that credit card processors are REALLY the driving force behind this decision. Someone (can't remember who) suggested that maybe you're selling the site to another company with a religious/anti-porn agenda and that CC processors have nothing to do with this.
I don't know your reasons, because you lied and then made another claim. Is it the truth this time?
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08"What does that even mean? will the definition change? will basic anatomy not be allowed? basic 3d figures? because that could be problematic afterall- maybe not today but tomorrow."
This is true, the landscape is always changing, especially with NSFW. All we can do is try our best to stay in the game, and sometimes that means changing things, and not always in the way we want to.
This is true, the landscape is always changing, especially with NSFW. All we can do is try our best to stay in the game, and sometimes that means changing things, and not always in the way we want to.
MadamSavvy
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Wed, Jul 08no, you are a coward and pathetic. there is no "long game" and the only "strategy" is bending the knee. you have fucked your vendors with panic instead of being transparent. You will fall the same way the others did because by your own admission you are not steam. and if steam bends, then so will you.
A few places have done work arounds, buying tokens that are used on a different part of the site. making a different site. trying to play censor.
it never works out, and the websites always end up worse off and no one considers them for serious business.
do you think the denizens of the internet, even if they dont 3d model, would just sit idly by?
Instead though, you play this game, come here, expect pity and say "trust me bro". the best thing you could have done is just leave your main post and not do ANY of this. because it is FAR WORSE than the OG announcement.
A few places have done work arounds, buying tokens that are used on a different part of the site. making a different site. trying to play censor.
it never works out, and the websites always end up worse off and no one considers them for serious business.
do you think the denizens of the internet, even if they dont 3d model, would just sit idly by?
Instead though, you play this game, come here, expect pity and say "trust me bro". the best thing you could have done is just leave your main post and not do ANY of this. because it is FAR WORSE than the OG announcement.
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08Uhm, you literally proved I didn't lie...
Me: "Simply put, we believe this is the right decision for the long-term future of RenderHub."
You: "You could have said the truth and told us the site would be taken down if this change was not implemented. "
So how exactly is this a lie? Doing something to because "the site would be taken down if this change was not implemented"
is exactly something that ensures "the long-term future of RenderHub."
I will admit it may have been a bit tone deaf, but a lie?
Me: "After a great deal of consideration"
You: "Now you've backpedalled and said you had literally no time to make the decision"
Uhm, I said we couldn't wait 30 days to roll out the change.
"a great deal of consideration" and "30 days" are not the same thing.
For that mater neither is "a great deal of consideration" to "24 hours".
Again, maybe the messaging could have been better, but a lie? I don't think so.
BTW, have I mentioned I DON'T LIE!
Your turn lady!
Me: "Simply put, we believe this is the right decision for the long-term future of RenderHub."
You: "You could have said the truth and told us the site would be taken down if this change was not implemented. "
So how exactly is this a lie? Doing something to because "the site would be taken down if this change was not implemented"
is exactly something that ensures "the long-term future of RenderHub."
I will admit it may have been a bit tone deaf, but a lie?
Me: "After a great deal of consideration"
You: "Now you've backpedalled and said you had literally no time to make the decision"
Uhm, I said we couldn't wait 30 days to roll out the change.
"a great deal of consideration" and "30 days" are not the same thing.
For that mater neither is "a great deal of consideration" to "24 hours".
Again, maybe the messaging could have been better, but a lie? I don't think so.
BTW, have I mentioned I DON'T LIE!
Your turn lady!
Henrika
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Wed, Jul 08You are playing semantics here, and everyone can see it. It's tiresome and trite. Several of us have pointed out your dishonesty, and you don't seem to realize that your behavior and evasiveness is a poor look.
Can you answer one simple question: how much time did the CC processor (if that really IS the reason) give you to remove NSFW content from the site? Did they say it had to be immediate, or were you given any time at all to get your affairs in order, so to speak? 48 hours? 24 hours? 6 hours? Effective immediately? Tell us. We really want to know.
Can you answer one simple question: how much time did the CC processor (if that really IS the reason) give you to remove NSFW content from the site? Did they say it had to be immediate, or were you given any time at all to get your affairs in order, so to speak? 48 hours? 24 hours? 6 hours? Effective immediately? Tell us. We really want to know.
MadamSavvy
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Wed, Jul 08If no payment processor has caused this, then this is related to ofcom of the UK?
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08I am going to step out of the conversation for now.
@3DLoki I will be in touch.
@3DLoki I will be in touch.
It almost sounds like some religious right-wing nutjobs had something to do with this. And sadly right now, these a-holes have way too much influence and way too much power.
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Wed, Jul 08This is likely the same group that tried to force censorship at Steam a couple of years ago over what they insisted where games that depicted violence towards women. Steam told them all to Eff Off and gave the games away for free. That shut them up quickly and they slunk off. Steam is a huge corporation with deep pockets and a herd of lawyers.
This group is based in Australia and is a branch of the 'Assembly of God,, which is international. With the US being heavily evangelical Christian with many in the Republican party, they can persuade the payment processors to do their bidding.
When Civitai faced the same challenge some months ago they simply split off a new site called 'CivitaiRed' (or something similar) and sold tokens which could be used for content on either site.
I'm told there's payment processors in Europe and Asia that will work with Adult stuff.
And what are the big porn sites doing? They're a BIG, lucrative industry with deep pockets and lots of lawyers.
This group is based in Australia and is a branch of the 'Assembly of God,, which is international. With the US being heavily evangelical Christian with many in the Republican party, they can persuade the payment processors to do their bidding.
When Civitai faced the same challenge some months ago they simply split off a new site called 'CivitaiRed' (or something similar) and sold tokens which could be used for content on either site.
I'm told there's payment processors in Europe and Asia that will work with Adult stuff.
And what are the big porn sites doing? They're a BIG, lucrative industry with deep pockets and lots of lawyers.
MarkWhite
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Wed, Jul 08I ran this through Grok and man did I learn a lot. I see why you had to do what you did. Very sad. I suppose in your case they put a gun to your head.
Ion
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Wed, Jul 08We aren't big an powerful like Steam, so we have to try our best to protect what we have. That is what I was trying to do, and am still trying to do.
erogenesis
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Wed, Jul 08@Bobb "I'm told there's payment processors in Europe and Asia that will work with Adult stuff."
Do you know who these guys are? Let me know, I'm thinking of setting up my own shop.
Do you know who these guys are? Let me know, I'm thinking of setting up my own shop.
MadamSavvy
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Wed, Jul 08this is a really ignorant response because the censorship game is supported by both sides of blatant politically labeled politicians but also you have both "right wing" and "left wing" censor groups attacking NSFW under the same banner.
collective shout is an aussie censor group that identifies as "religious right wing"(if you try to name her religion she threatens to sue for some reason) and are the ones who pressured steam, however she works along side Julie Inman Grant (an american) the esafety commissioner who is objectively "left wing" and progressive, who cheered on GARM (international advertising board that disbanded after elon sued them) for censoring trump/elon.
so for about 30 seconds when it comes to censorship, it is more productive to talk about the specific group and not make moronic statements.
collective shout is an aussie censor group that identifies as "religious right wing"(if you try to name her religion she threatens to sue for some reason) and are the ones who pressured steam, however she works along side Julie Inman Grant (an american) the esafety commissioner who is objectively "left wing" and progressive, who cheered on GARM (international advertising board that disbanded after elon sued them) for censoring trump/elon.
so for about 30 seconds when it comes to censorship, it is more productive to talk about the specific group and not make moronic statements.
ArtbyMel
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Wed, Jul 08I hope you are NOT saying I am making "mornonic"statements. You have no store here and no gallery plus you just joined here. Last I checked, a number of Christian Nationalists groups in this country were working hard to shut down any site they did not like.
Financial & Corporate Pressure Economic Boycotts: Christian advocacy groups like the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE) and Exodus Cry have successfully pressured major credit card companies—including Mastercard, Visa, and Discover—to block payments to large pornographic networks like Pornhub.
Host Deplatforming: Similar pressure campaigns have led payment processors like PayPal and American Express to cut ties with the adult industry, severely limiting their ability to generate revenue.
Broader Policy Goals Project 2025: The Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025 agenda—a set of conservative policy proposals frequently backed by Christian nationalists—explicitly calls for the federal outlawing of pornography, classifying it as a public health crisis and societal threat.
Financial & Corporate Pressure Economic Boycotts: Christian advocacy groups like the National Center on Sexual Exploitation (NCOSE) and Exodus Cry have successfully pressured major credit card companies—including Mastercard, Visa, and Discover—to block payments to large pornographic networks like Pornhub.
Host Deplatforming: Similar pressure campaigns have led payment processors like PayPal and American Express to cut ties with the adult industry, severely limiting their ability to generate revenue.
Broader Policy Goals Project 2025: The Heritage Foundation’s Project 2025 agenda—a set of conservative policy proposals frequently backed by Christian nationalists—explicitly calls for the federal outlawing of pornography, classifying it as a public health crisis and societal threat.
Pushee-Ri
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Wed, Jul 08Thanks for this in-depth information. Every time I read about these hypocrites (HuffPost, Raw Story), only one term comes to mind: Taliban 2.0
Fun fact: Years ago, I read somewhere - and I don't know if it's a joke or actually true - that in the U.S., most visits to Pornhub come from the Bible Belt. Kind of fits, doesn't it?
Fun fact: Years ago, I read somewhere - and I don't know if it's a joke or actually true - that in the U.S., most visits to Pornhub come from the Bible Belt. Kind of fits, doesn't it?
deepred
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Thu, Jul 09Artbemel: You beat me to it.
Bobb: One has to wonder who's financing these fundies.
Bobb: One has to wonder who's financing these fundies.
BeastGohanofTruth
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Thu, Jul 09@artbymel - She was only TOLD by one of her PAID SIMPS dude.
Savvy is just using this situation to GRIFT from the Cult. This WHOLE SITUATION is linked to them, cause they don't want anyone earning a living that is UNPLUGGED. Call me a "SCHIZO", call me a "TINFOIL HAT WEARER" all you people want. Every one of these "INFLUENCERS" are bought and owned and Savvy is one of them.
By the way, SAY HELLO to your INBRED DJT DICKRIDER DDAY for me Savvy. You both can go to Hell. OH WAIT?! LMFAO!
Good luck trying to survive into this next and final cycle. Crusade is coming, and not even your SIMPS are going to fall on their swords for you Savvy. You DEGENERATE.
Savvy is just using this situation to GRIFT from the Cult. This WHOLE SITUATION is linked to them, cause they don't want anyone earning a living that is UNPLUGGED. Call me a "SCHIZO", call me a "TINFOIL HAT WEARER" all you people want. Every one of these "INFLUENCERS" are bought and owned and Savvy is one of them.
By the way, SAY HELLO to your INBRED DJT DICKRIDER DDAY for me Savvy. You both can go to Hell. OH WAIT?! LMFAO!
Good luck trying to survive into this next and final cycle. Crusade is coming, and not even your SIMPS are going to fall on their swords for you Savvy. You DEGENERATE.
BeastGohanofTruth
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Thu, Jul 09I'm done wasting my time on this Dying of a Husk Platform. And one wasting my time in this forum.
I know I am not alone in this boat, with people sick of NPCs who follow False Idols....DEUS VULT!!!!!
I know I am not alone in this boat, with people sick of NPCs who follow False Idols....DEUS VULT!!!!!
Bobb
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Thu, Jul 09You keep saying you're finished and are leaving, but you keep coming back under a different name.
Just leave....for good.
Just leave....for good.
At least Ion is now telling what we all already knew: RH got hit with the Visa/Mastercard CENSORSHIP HAMMER.
I am so sick of this 1984 bs...
TY Ion, for being honest.
I am so sick of this 1984 bs...
TY Ion, for being honest.
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Speaking from my other role and where I work, I genuinely understand what you're going through. I've lived through multiple HRP transitions over the years, including the one we're currently navigating ourselves.
With that said, there are multiple ways you may be able to continue selling portions of your catalog while remaining compliant, depending on your processor's specific requirements.
In the 3D industry, nine times out of ten it's the promotional imagery, not the product itself, that determines whether something is treated as SFW or NSFW. Using mannequin promos, technical renders, placeholder graphics, and replacing artistic nudity with more technical presentation images has allowed many products to remain available over the years while still meeting processor requirements.
You already took a positive step some time ago with the content rating system, and processors generally appreciate safeguards like that.
What I'm saying is that there may be a path back for at least part of the catalog if that's something you ultimately decide you want to pursue. Whether you choose to do that is, of course, entirely your decision.
Since you mentioned Renderotica, I did want to clarify one point for those reading this thread.
Our situation was a bit different. During the ownership transition we discovered that our previous High Risk Processor relationship had been lost due to the required changes they wanted, never being completed. Rather than obtaining a replacement, the prior team routed everything through our SFW checkout for well over a year. Once we became aware of that, we shut our NSFW checkout down ourselves so we could return to operating properly while pursuing a new HRP.
We're still able to sell a large portion of our NSFW catalog today, with comics and image sets currently being the biggest exception, and we're adding more products back regularly as they meet current requirements. At the same time, we're continuing discussions with multiple HRPs to restore full functionality without sacrificing large portions of our catalog.
If you ever want to compare notes on what has and hasn't worked for us during the HRP process, I'd genuinely be happy to do so privately. Regardless of the different paths our companies choose, I think sharing knowledge within our industry ultimately benefits everyone.
If removing NSFW content for good ultimately becomes RenderHub's long term direction, then I'd also like everyone affected by these changes to know that you'll always have a home with us. Whether you're an artist, a vendor, or simply someone looking for a place that continues to support this type of content, we'll do our best to help however we can. We're still working through our own HRP process, but we're making progress every day, and we're always happy to answer questions, help where we can, and welcome both new and returning members of the community.
With that said, there are multiple ways you may be able to continue selling portions of your catalog while remaining compliant, depending on your processor's specific requirements.
In the 3D industry, nine times out of ten it's the promotional imagery, not the product itself, that determines whether something is treated as SFW or NSFW. Using mannequin promos, technical renders, placeholder graphics, and replacing artistic nudity with more technical presentation images has allowed many products to remain available over the years while still meeting processor requirements.
You already took a positive step some time ago with the content rating system, and processors generally appreciate safeguards like that.
What I'm saying is that there may be a path back for at least part of the catalog if that's something you ultimately decide you want to pursue. Whether you choose to do that is, of course, entirely your decision.
Since you mentioned Renderotica, I did want to clarify one point for those reading this thread.
Our situation was a bit different. During the ownership transition we discovered that our previous High Risk Processor relationship had been lost due to the required changes they wanted, never being completed. Rather than obtaining a replacement, the prior team routed everything through our SFW checkout for well over a year. Once we became aware of that, we shut our NSFW checkout down ourselves so we could return to operating properly while pursuing a new HRP.
We're still able to sell a large portion of our NSFW catalog today, with comics and image sets currently being the biggest exception, and we're adding more products back regularly as they meet current requirements. At the same time, we're continuing discussions with multiple HRPs to restore full functionality without sacrificing large portions of our catalog.
If you ever want to compare notes on what has and hasn't worked for us during the HRP process, I'd genuinely be happy to do so privately. Regardless of the different paths our companies choose, I think sharing knowledge within our industry ultimately benefits everyone.
If removing NSFW content for good ultimately becomes RenderHub's long term direction, then I'd also like everyone affected by these changes to know that you'll always have a home with us. Whether you're an artist, a vendor, or simply someone looking for a place that continues to support this type of content, we'll do our best to help however we can. We're still working through our own HRP process, but we're making progress every day, and we're always happy to answer questions, help where we can, and welcome both new and returning members of the community.
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Wed, Jul 08I am totally open to ideas. Lets keep continue this conversation in a couple of days. Maybe we can setup a google meet to discuss.
guy91600
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Thu, Jul 09As a payment method, there is a European alternative to Mastercard and Visa: the CB (Carte Bleue) group.
https://www.cartes-bancaires.com/cb/groupement/
I hope this information helps.
https://www.cartes-bancaires.com/cb/groupement/
I hope this information helps.
guy91600
Karma: 20,575
Thu, Jul 09If online payment platforms like Visa, Mastercard, and PayPal are indeed the ones behind this censorship, the solution is to stop using them and switch to domestic and international bank transfers. Of course, for international transfers to be cost-effective for the recipient, the amount needs to be substantial, as the fees are fixed regardless of the transaction size—not to mention currency exchange fees, which PayPal charges as well.
MazinkaiserDX
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Fri, Jul 10Honestly, reading about how Renderotica is back to the "old guard" and hopefully going back to business with even improvement plans for the future has been the best news I've read in a while. I've always wanted to be more active there but yeah, I don't know, it always felt sort of... strange? Don't know how to explain it properly. Like, sketchy. Or like there wasn't actual care behind it.
3DLoki
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Fri, Jul 10We are indeed back to the old guard so to speak, as in the team in place now are made up of the original people who built the back end framework, created the "Artist Studio" and more, as well as the people behind all of the promotions, contests, Promo Group and more.
I can assure you there is nothing but care and passion behind the site and we've returned to the original vision "For Artists By Artists"
Now that we are wrapping up our prior processing issues, we will finally be able to pick up where we were at when we took over the site and start making the improvements, updates etc to the site.
I can assure you there is nothing but care and passion behind the site and we've returned to the original vision "For Artists By Artists"
Now that we are wrapping up our prior processing issues, we will finally be able to pick up where we were at when we took over the site and start making the improvements, updates etc to the site.
This is with the most respect of the world, since I'm here not as a seller, but as a consumer.
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I think the thing that a seller wants, more than anything else, is stability to do their work. And even more with a NSFW seller, since they're always being "pushed out" from the 3d spaces while the time goes by.
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When you guys do that power move, you guys unilaterally are breaking that confidence that the seller put on you. And that isn't a easy thing to recover, and I fear you guys won't be able to do that.
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It's obvious that an exodus will occur, and I think you guys are probably looking at the ways on how your business will be affected, but, as business partners, I think it was your obligation to give at least some days of space for people eventually come to a plan, after all we know that, for many creators, nsfw or not, this affect directly they ways of income and support.
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That was scummy and a terrible business decision that should've been reviewed internally before turning itself into public. Don't you guys find ironic that, at this moment, certain assets and 3d models who were here are only able to be find on piracy sites? This demotivates the sellers even more on producing their content.
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Honestly, Renderhub was one of the best sites for specific content, in my case the experimentations from Pawngame and the candid content from Boobs Academy, but with this decision, I think both creators are feeling punished for being compentent on their work. This is a feeling that won't go away. At all.
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I think people doesn't fight enough against those types who want to say how adult people wants to spend their own money, but looking at how the things are here in Brazil, when PIX arrived, the only thing those types could do was crying to the Government and say that what people were doing "wasn't fair" and basically "affected systematically" (their words) their business, just by giving people the freedom on how the population could spend their own money on their own terms, without any intermediate.
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And, to summarize, I wish you guys your best, but I won't be staying anymore.
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Best regards, Arth.
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I think the thing that a seller wants, more than anything else, is stability to do their work. And even more with a NSFW seller, since they're always being "pushed out" from the 3d spaces while the time goes by.
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When you guys do that power move, you guys unilaterally are breaking that confidence that the seller put on you. And that isn't a easy thing to recover, and I fear you guys won't be able to do that.
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It's obvious that an exodus will occur, and I think you guys are probably looking at the ways on how your business will be affected, but, as business partners, I think it was your obligation to give at least some days of space for people eventually come to a plan, after all we know that, for many creators, nsfw or not, this affect directly they ways of income and support.
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That was scummy and a terrible business decision that should've been reviewed internally before turning itself into public. Don't you guys find ironic that, at this moment, certain assets and 3d models who were here are only able to be find on piracy sites? This demotivates the sellers even more on producing their content.
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Honestly, Renderhub was one of the best sites for specific content, in my case the experimentations from Pawngame and the candid content from Boobs Academy, but with this decision, I think both creators are feeling punished for being compentent on their work. This is a feeling that won't go away. At all.
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I think people doesn't fight enough against those types who want to say how adult people wants to spend their own money, but looking at how the things are here in Brazil, when PIX arrived, the only thing those types could do was crying to the Government and say that what people were doing "wasn't fair" and basically "affected systematically" (their words) their business, just by giving people the freedom on how the population could spend their own money on their own terms, without any intermediate.
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And, to summarize, I wish you guys your best, but I won't be staying anymore.
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Best regards, Arth.
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Hi, Ion, thank you very much for this clarification!
I had already suspected that this might be an HRP issue. In this thread, you confirm that (albeit indirectly).
But wouldn't it have been better to be honest in the announcement (in the other thread) and disclose the facts? There probably would have been a shitstorm anyway... but perhaps not on this scale ...
Anyway-here's a very quick question about editing NSFW promos: Would it be enough to add censorship bars to the images using Photoshop to hide nipples, etc.?
I had already suspected that this might be an HRP issue. In this thread, you confirm that (albeit indirectly).
But wouldn't it have been better to be honest in the announcement (in the other thread) and disclose the facts? There probably would have been a shitstorm anyway... but perhaps not on this scale ...
Anyway-here's a very quick question about editing NSFW promos: Would it be enough to add censorship bars to the images using Photoshop to hide nipples, etc.?
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Thu, Jul 09I'm pretty sure clearer guidelines will be posted soon. I know it might be hard to find, so here's a screenshot of Ion addressing this above.
Ugh - sorry to hear this, Ion. I am sure it's a hard decision because it will hurt to the store and vendors revenue stream. But, I can understand because the credit companies can shut down service without any warning for any reason they want... sadly. Thanks for the heads up.
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The irony of our world today is absolute. On one side, we have a broken justice system that lets actual predators and monsters roam free through endless loopholes. On the other, we have banking monopolies and payment gateways playing 'moral police,' financially strong arming platforms over victimless, fictional 3D pixels. I don't think it's right to put blame on RenderHub or any other platform at all, their hands are tied, and they are forced to comply with these ridiculous mandates like other 3d platforms, just to keep the lights on. The real hypocrisy lies with a legal system that fails real victims, and payment processors that comfortably bully digital artists just to protect their own corporate liabilities, and then there are we the people around the world who have stayed silent for too long to be controlled by these people.
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supremoomega
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Wed, Jul 08He also adds that they want to withdraw cash worldwide, and that they control your money, and if you don't submit to "their laws", with the push of a button they freeze your account, and end your life.
fantasyrenders
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Wed, Jul 08It's high time digital creators, independent artists globally, and even common people voice their concern against these overreaching corporate monopolies. The irony is undeniable: those dictating moral standards to digital artists often carry their own heavy controversies, yet they continue to leverage financial infrastructure to exert complete control over independent livelihoods. Major social media giants have faced massive global investigations (like the BBC report in India) regarding highly illicit and damaging content on their networks, yet they face zero payment processing restrictions. Meanwhile, independent 3D artists creating victimless pixels are targeted instantly. The hypocrisy is staggering.
Hi everyone, I want to thank Ion for being so honest. I agree with some of the forum posts, we need clear rules about what's allowed and what isn't, and the best ways to obscure content. For example, I sell nipple geographs, do they need to be censored in some way? I'm planning to release my own genital models for Genesis 9, what should I do with them? Showing gray models or releasing genital models on RenderHub isn't really an option anymore, is it? What about promotional characters, bare breasts, genitals? Is it okay to show breasts or not? We need clear guidelines for releasing content.
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RenderHub Admin 1
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Thu, Jul 09I'm pretty sure clearer guidelines will be posted soon. I know it might be hard to find, so here's a screenshot of Ion addressing this above.
It's happening all over the place guys, it's not just one place. The world is changing. Sites are been closed over night with no explication, people around the world are going to have use VPN to access a lot of sites. Yes it sucks there was no notice, but if you're given a choice to conform or shutdown then there isn't much you can do. It's a wonder it's got away with it this long. best of luck !
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stevenjoseph8844
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Thu, Jul 09Finally, a reasonable response to the situation. I can tell you that I'd rather have no adult content than no site at all.
Knowing how payment processors are like, a decision like this sucks of course, but it makes sense.
If i were put in a position to basically save my site or die with it, especially if its such a quick decision, I would also save my site and the people on it.
Ofcourse a warning or notice would be nice but we don't always get the option to have time.
This decision has hit my store like a train, 150 products down to around 20 hurts me alot, the time and dedication I've put over many years just gone, and it wasn't even us as a sellers fault.
But I hope for the sellers who still remain here, since mature content is still open (not sure for how long), stay strong through these tough payment processor ass times, I will still try and make content, innovate and make good products, but I and many other sellers who only sold nsfw, will be hit with a massive financial loss, my sfw stuff didn't sell as much as my nsfw and I know its not just my store. With this change to nsfw can you guarantee that our normal content will be sold the same amount? It's also a big financial hit to the hub considering (and I bet) nsfw made alot more than sfw did.
Working around sfw and mature filters will be challenging, and to the buyers who want to move platform, I ask you to stay just for abit. If not for the hub, for the sellers, alot will still remain and we will need your support more than ever in these tough times.
If i were put in a position to basically save my site or die with it, especially if its such a quick decision, I would also save my site and the people on it.
Ofcourse a warning or notice would be nice but we don't always get the option to have time.
This decision has hit my store like a train, 150 products down to around 20 hurts me alot, the time and dedication I've put over many years just gone, and it wasn't even us as a sellers fault.
But I hope for the sellers who still remain here, since mature content is still open (not sure for how long), stay strong through these tough payment processor ass times, I will still try and make content, innovate and make good products, but I and many other sellers who only sold nsfw, will be hit with a massive financial loss, my sfw stuff didn't sell as much as my nsfw and I know its not just my store. With this change to nsfw can you guarantee that our normal content will be sold the same amount? It's also a big financial hit to the hub considering (and I bet) nsfw made alot more than sfw did.
Working around sfw and mature filters will be challenging, and to the buyers who want to move platform, I ask you to stay just for abit. If not for the hub, for the sellers, alot will still remain and we will need your support more than ever in these tough times.
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Boobs Academy
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Thu, Jul 09I liked your stuff very much. Often totally unique ideas and themes. Never seen you on R*Rotica? When they can solve their own problems maybe it goes upwards with this place again.
Please don’t apologize- it was clear as daylight why you had to act fast and lean up“. It’s not ideal, yes. But the alternative would be that we all lose. Maybe the admins can make a post where we can have we have clear guidelines to follow?
Stay safe
Stay safe
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Pushee-Ri
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Thu, Jul 09^ THIS ^
I'd hate to render promo images only to find out that they're still being filtered out
BTW - as I was thinking about your post, I came up with an idea for the ULTIMATE SFW camouflage: a burqa
Sure, you wouldn't be able to see the 3D clothing underneath, or the pose, or whatever... but at least that would probably please the Taliban 2.0 (by which I don't mean Renderhub, Ion, or the community, but the groups behind all the hassle with online payments)
I'd hate to render promo images only to find out that they're still being filtered out
BTW - as I was thinking about your post, I came up with an idea for the ULTIMATE SFW camouflage: a burqa
Sure, you wouldn't be able to see the 3D clothing underneath, or the pose, or whatever... but at least that would probably please the Taliban 2.0 (by which I don't mean Renderhub, Ion, or the community, but the groups behind all the hassle with online payments)
KuraiKya
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Thu, Jul 09Uhm....? Wouldnt that be false advertising?
If you dont sell what is seen or something more in the files?
If you dont sell what is seen or something more in the files?
guy91600
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Thu, Jul 09@Pushee
For the promotional image, you might as well just put the text "Censored,"
and describe the product in the Product Description section while avoiding the words on the blacklist
For the promotional image, you might as well just put the text "Censored,"
and describe the product in the Product Description section while avoiding the words on the blacklist
Pushee-Ri
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Thu, Jul 09@Guy
So - I think the burqa idea is really great and fitting
I already asked about the censorship bar earlier. Full-body GeoShells would probably also be an option (e.g., for my Slipables). I already have a few ideas - but I’m waiting to see if the admins create some kind of 'How-To Camouflage' thread that we can follow.
So - I think the burqa idea is really great and fitting
I already asked about the censorship bar earlier. Full-body GeoShells would probably also be an option (e.g., for my Slipables). I already have a few ideas - but I’m waiting to see if the admins create some kind of 'How-To Camouflage' thread that we can follow.
Pushee-Ri
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Thu, Jul 09@KurayKia
I just checked my PasahRi account (while not logged in). 5 out of 15 projects made it into the Mature rating. Here’s an example below.
I don’t think your products come close to that in terms of suggestiveness or nudity, do they? So everything should be fine for your promos
https://www.renderhub.com/pasahri/flatbush-g9-2d-pubes-for-genesis-female-9
https://www.renderhub.com/pasahri/slipslip-dforce-panty-for-genesis-9
https://www.renderhub.com/pasahri/hofsone-chair-poses-for-gf8-gf8-1
I just checked my PasahRi account (while not logged in). 5 out of 15 projects made it into the Mature rating. Here’s an example below.
I don’t think your products come close to that in terms of suggestiveness or nudity, do they? So everything should be fine for your promos
https://www.renderhub.com/pasahri/flatbush-g9-2d-pubes-for-genesis-female-9
https://www.renderhub.com/pasahri/slipslip-dforce-panty-for-genesis-9
https://www.renderhub.com/pasahri/hofsone-chair-poses-for-gf8-gf8-1
RenderHub Admin 1
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Thu, Jul 09I'm pretty sure this will be happening soon. I know it might be hard to find, so here's a screenshot of Ion addressing this above.
Boobs Academy
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Thu, Jul 09Pushee-Ri: "I came up with an idea for the ULTIMATE SFW camouflage: a burqa"
Sounds like a weird fetish to me
Sounds like a weird fetish to me
First and foremost, I have to say that I am shocked by the news regarding the removal of NSFW content from the RenderHub catalogs. As a 3D artist, I have been working on RenderHub for over 3 years, and during this time, I have published more than 100 NSFW items-and in a single instant, all of it just became trash?
I believe this move shows a major lack of respect toward the creators, who are the core and the primary source of revenue for the RenderHub website. It will also impact the number of users who bought NSFW content on this platform.
Why doesn't RenderHub do what the Civitai website did, for example, by separating all adult content into a standalone site, Civitai.red? I urge the administration to be reasonable toward the creators and consumers of NSFW content and move it to a separate site-RenderHub.red!!!
I believe this move shows a major lack of respect toward the creators, who are the core and the primary source of revenue for the RenderHub website. It will also impact the number of users who bought NSFW content on this platform.
Why doesn't RenderHub do what the Civitai website did, for example, by separating all adult content into a standalone site, Civitai.red? I urge the administration to be reasonable toward the creators and consumers of NSFW content and move it to a separate site-RenderHub.red!!!
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Hello, I am one of the latest creators to start selling content here on RenderHub. Even though I don't create Adult Content, my small store is just finally starting to gain traction.
Don't you think that by applying this policy, many buyers will leave along with the creators? The biggest loss will be on us small sellers, because we will lose a significant portion of potential buyers.
Don't you think that by applying this policy, many buyers will leave along with the creators? The biggest loss will be on us small sellers, because we will lose a significant portion of potential buyers.
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Boobs Academy
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Thu, Jul 09I think also the focus on erotic stuff should not be lost because this was the difference to other shops. Just focus on the erotic material which is now still allowed. I guess this will catch the attention of the "dark powers" who caused all this but even they have to stick to their own rules.
@ion
Can I remove NSFW/Adult content from some of my products (with clean cut non adult promos) and change the rating to mature or lower? Is that allowed? Or do I have to resubmit it as a new product?
I have multiple products which could be turned into SFW easily.
Please let me know.
Thank you.
Can I remove NSFW/Adult content from some of my products (with clean cut non adult promos) and change the rating to mature or lower? Is that allowed? Or do I have to resubmit it as a new product?
I have multiple products which could be turned into SFW easily.
Please let me know.
Thank you.
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Pushee-Ri
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Thu, Jul 09@Pawngame
Ion has written (12 hours ago): 'The best thing to do is just go into product manager, make any changes to promo images or descriptions, then save it. The Adult rating will still be selected, but the item will queue up for us to check and we can change it to Mature if it is all good.'
Ion has written (12 hours ago): 'The best thing to do is just go into product manager, make any changes to promo images or descriptions, then save it. The Adult rating will still be selected, but the item will queue up for us to check and we can change it to Mature if it is all good.'
RenderHub Admin 1
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Thu, Jul 09I can answer this one for you because Ion already addressed it above. I know it might be hard to find, so I took screenshots of the pertinent replies for you.
Pawngame
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Thu, Jul 09Thank you.
I just resubmitted Back Alley Environment. We'll see how that goes.
I just resubmitted Back Alley Environment. We'll see how that goes.
Pawngame
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Thu, Jul 09Just so I'm 1000% sure, is the rating based on Promos & Thumbnails only or Promos, Thumbnails AND the product itself?
I know this may sound stupid, but I'd rather triple check the new policy change.
Thank you for helping us through this new direction.
I know this may sound stupid, but I'd rather triple check the new policy change.
Thank you for helping us through this new direction.
Foxy 3D
Admin: 59,344
Thu, Jul 09The content rating is based upon the context of the submission as a whole. As long as there's nothing that falls into the NSFW 18+ examples listed here, you should be fine:
https://www.renderhub.com/info/mature-content-policy#z04
And your question does not sound stupid at all, especially during this transition period.
https://www.renderhub.com/info/mature-content-policy#z04
And your question does not sound stupid at all, especially during this transition period.
LoveRealPeople
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Thu, Jul 09Well at least your content is still on renderotica, but you offered better deals here. I'll pick up your bar soon.
Hey, will the physiatrist office adult poses go on renderotica?
Hey, will the physiatrist office adult poses go on renderotica?
When it comes to objects like bondage devices, can you promote them as a purely technical product.
And you show the different device preset poses just witout characters but you say that character poses are included.
Maybe more general... can you redesign the promotion of different products to fit the rules?
And you show the different device preset poses just witout characters but you say that character poses are included.
Maybe more general... can you redesign the promotion of different products to fit the rules?
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I think you see what happened to Otica... where their Visa service was shutdown immediately probably with no warning.. and now it's been over a month of them trying to set up a new billing system... I don't blame Renderhub for having to act fast.
It does suck for vendors who sell NSFW creations. But, if you've been a p0rn artist for some years you have encountered this yourself as well. Two years ago the credit companies will be fine with a certain fetish and then suddenly, this year, they will ban that same fetish and give you no warning to get rid of it. With no explanation. In the early 2000's this wiped out a lot of fetish sites. A lot of sites.
Perhaps the XXX vendors here form a group and create a NSFW site/store like Hub or Otica on their own. NaughtyRender dot com Or...
There are already NSFW vendors who've been around for many years who already have encountered these same issues of sites cutting them off... and created their own venues. Then they promote themselves at DA or elsewhere. I've seen many NSFW vendors sell through DA as well.
Daz and Renderosity are big sites. All the rest are run by individuals mainly. So, I don't blame Hub for protecting themselves from VISA just shutting their billing down altogether.
It does suck for vendors who sell NSFW creations. But, if you've been a p0rn artist for some years you have encountered this yourself as well. Two years ago the credit companies will be fine with a certain fetish and then suddenly, this year, they will ban that same fetish and give you no warning to get rid of it. With no explanation. In the early 2000's this wiped out a lot of fetish sites. A lot of sites.
Perhaps the XXX vendors here form a group and create a NSFW site/store like Hub or Otica on their own. NaughtyRender dot com
Or... There are already NSFW vendors who've been around for many years who already have encountered these same issues of sites cutting them off... and created their own venues. Then they promote themselves at DA or elsewhere. I've seen many NSFW vendors sell through DA as well.
Daz and Renderosity are big sites. All the rest are run by individuals mainly. So, I don't blame Hub for protecting themselves from VISA just shutting their billing down altogether.
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You can't doge the bullet by going to another site, It has to be outside US laws URO laws and you may need a VPN to access it. They will eventually catch up with you. It's anime sites as well there is a big shift happening. Unless someone comes up with some legal argument to get around it ?
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LoveRealPeople
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Thu, Jul 09Is this related to the Childe Protect Act, because I thought US had free speech laws?
Given that, what about a peer 2 peer system with a payment system?
Given that, what about a peer 2 peer system with a payment system?
sharp8322
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Thu, Jul 09As a US native we have free speech but that only applies to govt to keep from censoring us not busienssines. Now i have been doing some research and sees there are some bills in pursuit to make it so cc companies can't do stuff liek this anymore i will. Tehres 2 bills i ahve see one in your house other in our senate trying to fight this very thing
LoveRealPeople
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Fri, Jul 10Child protect act and the identity related laws are a bitch. I'm asking if anyone would be interested in developing a peer 2 peer network solution, but I need to make sure it's legally compliant.
I checked and Amazon servers do allow for adult content. So AMZ I don't think is part of this crackdown.
I checked and Amazon servers do allow for adult content. So AMZ I don't think is part of this crackdown.
If the explicit NSFW conent is the problem i would suggest you do at least a separate main category for the mature stuff to avoid losing the customers who come here to find erotic products. Hiding the most erotic but allowed conent which is left now in the big pile of other products is no good idea.
Or maybe adapt the filter to not show all AND mature produts but show ONLY mature products.
Or maybe adapt the filter to not show all AND mature produts but show ONLY mature products.
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LoveRealPeople
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Thu, Jul 09I think this might be related to the child protect act and push to remove or censor NSFW explicit content.
So, I think a peer to peer system with transaction may have to happen as long as the content is still legal.
So, I think a peer to peer system with transaction may have to happen as long as the content is still legal.
So the answer to that question...
>Why we had to make the NSFW changes
is
>payment processor rules
?
Who exactly? Paypal? Visa?
Which rules?
Based upon whims or laws?
We are talking digital products here. No human is involved, save the makers and buyers. Nothing that happens here endangers anybody.
Perhaps I missed the hard data in this threat.
Just trying to clear up who is causing the actual trouble on what base.
>Why we had to make the NSFW changes
is
>payment processor rules
?
Who exactly? Paypal? Visa?
Which rules?
Based upon whims or laws?
We are talking digital products here. No human is involved, save the makers and buyers. Nothing that happens here endangers anybody.
Perhaps I missed the hard data in this threat.
Just trying to clear up who is causing the actual trouble on what base.
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LoveRealPeople
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Thu, Jul 09Political initiative and possible preparation for the Protect Child Act. My guesses.
hm is it still possible to sell famous look alike models of the adult industry or actresses etc. when they keep their clothes on? And or needs the description of the product changed as well or now only it is possible to use just random fictive characters?
kind regards
kind regards
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In my very humble opinion, there are two ways this could play out.
1) Submit to all current and future demands and restrictions from payment systems, religious groups, moralizers, minority rights advocates, and other hypocritical parasites. This means losing trust, popularity, and profit, ultimately turning into just another store like dazstore or rosity with no real competitive edge.
2) Show some backbone, move the site to another jurisdiction where internet freedom still exists, tell Visa, Mastercard, and PayPal to screw off, and switch to crypto transactions. Allow everything that was banned. Bring in something new, like adult games and 3D video content. Become the new flagship platform for all NSFW content creators and consumers.
But then again, it's easy for me to talk big when I don't own the site and don't have to worry about the staff.
1) Submit to all current and future demands and restrictions from payment systems, religious groups, moralizers, minority rights advocates, and other hypocritical parasites. This means losing trust, popularity, and profit, ultimately turning into just another store like dazstore or rosity with no real competitive edge.
2) Show some backbone, move the site to another jurisdiction where internet freedom still exists, tell Visa, Mastercard, and PayPal to screw off, and switch to crypto transactions. Allow everything that was banned. Bring in something new, like adult games and 3D video content. Become the new flagship platform for all NSFW content creators and consumers.
But then again, it's easy for me to talk big when I don't own the site and don't have to worry about the staff.
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Still patiently waiting on a clearer policy and it would be much appreciated if you can guarantee us vendors that it won't be a waste of time to keep trying to sell here. Some of us basically lost our jobs without any warning. I hope there won't be a need to completely remove Mature section too down the road.
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LoveRealPeople
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Thu, Jul 09How hard would it be for you to sell directly? I had some of your product on my wishlist?
oomphy
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Thu, Jul 09Honestly I haven't figured that out.. I'm not sure about direct payment at the moment
LoveRealPeople
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Fri, Jul 10I've been using AI agents, but not sure how secure an AI agent could be to help with transaction and order fulfillment, but I think it might be a good solution to explore.
Quote:
"[...] and switch to crypto transactions."
That's no option, at least not for me.
While all these payment tech stuff, like Visa, Mastercard or Paypal deserve being bashed on, crypto transactions are no better.
I don't trust it and I don't want to get involved in it it in any way. Doesn't the Trump familly have their dirty fingers in that crypto stuff?
So a clear no from my side, because I think, that this would be even worse.
Frankly, I think, I'm not the only one.
"[...] and switch to crypto transactions."
That's no option, at least not for me.
While all these payment tech stuff, like Visa, Mastercard or Paypal deserve being bashed on, crypto transactions are no better.
I don't trust it and I don't want to get involved in it it in any way. Doesn't the Trump familly have their dirty fingers in that crypto stuff?
So a clear no from my side, because I think, that this would be even worse.
Frankly, I think, I'm not the only one.
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Bobb
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Thu, Jul 09I'd be willing to send a money order if it came to that. It's slow but couldn't be stopped or regulated. This would work better for a private seller with their own site on say, Deviant Art.
Boobs Academy
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Thu, Jul 09I have tried this method one time for payout to safe transaction fees but after weeks when my european bank handled the papers the transaction was rejected. AND they told me that I have no claim on the money anyways because US transfers of this kind can be called back for years on.
Wolf007
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Thu, Jul 09My understanding after a some searches is that Crypto has changed a lot over the years. Is not some one-to-one faith on the other party transaction and delays/rejections that made online shops difficult can be avoided.
For e-commerce you may need to avoid the usual Bitcoin/Etherium stuff because there is too much volatility.
Stablecoins are the way to go for online stores, there are processors that already have plugins for popular Online Store solutions.
Buying and selling Crypto is easier. You can buy the crypto with your credit card, debit card or even Apple/Google pay.
I'm even reading that there are compliance with some EU regulations so as long the products being sold are legal (and you are not hiding something illegal, like money loundering); no one should be able to directly interfere with the transactions and payment process.
Unless selling illegal stuff or hosting on a country that is an enemy or in a dangerous list, there wouldn't even be a need for VPNs.
Another huge advantage: transaction fees are usually just flat 1%
As a customer, i'm willing to give it a try (and not just for 'adult' stuff).
I was looking mostly at coinbase, just for reference.
For e-commerce you may need to avoid the usual Bitcoin/Etherium stuff because there is too much volatility.
Stablecoins are the way to go for online stores, there are processors that already have plugins for popular Online Store solutions.
Buying and selling Crypto is easier. You can buy the crypto with your credit card, debit card or even Apple/Google pay.
I'm even reading that there are compliance with some EU regulations so as long the products being sold are legal (and you are not hiding something illegal, like money loundering); no one should be able to directly interfere with the transactions and payment process.
Unless selling illegal stuff or hosting on a country that is an enemy or in a dangerous list, there wouldn't even be a need for VPNs.
Another huge advantage: transaction fees are usually just flat 1%
As a customer, i'm willing to give it a try (and not just for 'adult' stuff).
I was looking mostly at coinbase, just for reference.
LoveRealPeople
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Thu, Jul 09You can use the major credit cards to make the purchases, a crypto could help, but in reality all you need is something else to officiate the transaction. So on paper the purchase could be for a "meme coin" but the buyer gets the adult content. I'd have to check with laws but if the content was legal I don't see any issues with this method.
This makes, me sad.
Well I understand your hands are tied on letting people continue to sell such assets.
I have to ask will there at least be an option to allow us to get back up Winrar and Zip files of our own assets/promo images so that we can migrate the stuff to other stores.
That way safe stuff stays here and everything else goes elsewhere.
Well I understand your hands are tied on letting people continue to sell such assets.
I have to ask will there at least be an option to allow us to get back up Winrar and Zip files of our own assets/promo images so that we can migrate the stuff to other stores.
That way safe stuff stays here and everything else goes elsewhere.
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Knew I was right. If a site has adult content and they remove it out of the blue then it's the payment processors working behind the scenes.
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Sorry to hear about the NSFW content being removed. It's disappointing, although I can't say I'm completely surprised.
A while back, when I noticed payments for clearly adult products... even if they were just assets... were still being processed through mainstream payment processors, I had a feeling this might eventually happen. We learned that lesson ourselves after Gumroad and moved to an adult-friendly payment processor. The fees are higher, but for us it was worth the added stability. We've found that separating adult content from mainstream operations and using an adult-friendly processor has made our business much more resilient to situations like this.
I'll definitely miss browsing the adult section every day and discovering new work from so many talented creators.
That said, if you're a gay NSFW creator selling directly to consumers and you're looking for a new or additional home for your work, feel free to reach out. We'd be happy to have a conversation and see if there's a good fit.
A while back, when I noticed payments for clearly adult products... even if they were just assets... were still being processed through mainstream payment processors, I had a feeling this might eventually happen. We learned that lesson ourselves after Gumroad and moved to an adult-friendly payment processor. The fees are higher, but for us it was worth the added stability. We've found that separating adult content from mainstream operations and using an adult-friendly processor has made our business much more resilient to situations like this.
I'll definitely miss browsing the adult section every day and discovering new work from so many talented creators.
That said, if you're a gay NSFW creator selling directly to consumers and you're looking for a new or additional home for your work, feel free to reach out. We'd be happy to have a conversation and see if there's a good fit.
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Well a warning would have been prudent, And well been a whole lot easier to deal with. So with that in mind the fact that most of my work was arbitrarily obliterated, I removed the rest of it, and am in the process of a safety backup of all that I have purchased here and then. I will remove myself from this site in protest, not to the fact that you underhandedly removed a lot of Items, no that you warned no one. you just let everyone go along like nothing was happening then you pulled the rug out. That is what I am angry about. There was a better way you chose not to use it. and for that I am calling on every vender to pull everything from this place completely. And without warning just like RH gave us.... Makes me glad that I did not start selling here. My first item was ready now I will find a place that is reliable to post it on. Adios
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Not for nothing but sites like Pornhub and OnlyFans exist and they take payments. Just use what they use?
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V8Infinite
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Thu, Jul 09I asked the exact same question here last night...
It's strange how a 3D dildo can be considered a problem, while ultra-trash content on OnlyFans isn't...
It's strange how a 3D dildo can be considered a problem, while ultra-trash content on OnlyFans isn't...
Finisterfoul
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Sat, Jul 11Epoch, CCbill and those types of 'porn' billing companies are for subscription sites. Most adult content sites prefer subscriptions - not payment for single downloads - like at this store. Those adult site billing companies also take a percentage of the sales. So, prices on 3d products here would have to go up to make up for the increased cost of doing business and sales would go down.
Ask yourself... if using a porn billing company was a total fix... why aren't Renderosity and DAZ using that?
Ask yourself... if using a porn billing company was a total fix... why aren't Renderosity and DAZ using that?
Yeah, I am reading the other comments, and your post seems almost entirely sculpted by lawyers.
You are not on our side. The moment you decided standing up to puritanical money folk was too much trouble, you joined those universities that sold out their people for money.
And I am going to call you out on the comparisons to Renderotica. That site offers almost exclusively adult content; RenderHub had the chance to create identity/age checks or segmenting your adult content behind a nominal [like a single Euro, so as to not penalize folk for being over 18] to keep inappropriate content away from people too young to see it.
But no. You decided that trying to institute some extremely basic protections were just too hard to implement, so you screwed over your creators - who have provided you a sizable portion of your income for the past decade or so.
As well, you will not be able to argue that your site is going to magically become family-friendly with the removal of so-called 'adult' content, because a majority of your character models feature large-hipped women with enormous busts; that might make an underage person looking at them feel the first sparks of arousal; some could call that grooming. So sexist and offering problematic content, to boot.
All because you wouldn't stand up to a bunch of puritanical zealots. Shame on you, man. You're a walking shanda.
You are not on our side. The moment you decided standing up to puritanical money folk was too much trouble, you joined those universities that sold out their people for money.
And I am going to call you out on the comparisons to Renderotica. That site offers almost exclusively adult content; RenderHub had the chance to create identity/age checks or segmenting your adult content behind a nominal [like a single Euro, so as to not penalize folk for being over 18] to keep inappropriate content away from people too young to see it.
But no. You decided that trying to institute some extremely basic protections were just too hard to implement, so you screwed over your creators - who have provided you a sizable portion of your income for the past decade or so.
As well, you will not be able to argue that your site is going to magically become family-friendly with the removal of so-called 'adult' content, because a majority of your character models feature large-hipped women with enormous busts; that might make an underage person looking at them feel the first sparks of arousal; some could call that grooming. So sexist and offering problematic content, to boot.
All because you wouldn't stand up to a bunch of puritanical zealots. Shame on you, man. You're a walking shanda.
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LoveRealPeople
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Thu, Jul 09I'm busy, but you want to help build a website to offer adult 3D products? Or a peer to peer network? Or something...
stevenjoseph8844
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Thu, Jul 09@JackOh
And another one steps up to the microphone to announce how oblivious they are to what's happening in the REAL WORLD.
Do you really think a single website "standing up" to the government or corporations that control the flow of money would end well? No, it would not. That would most likely result in *all vendors* losing the ability to sell their products here.
As far as Renderotica goes, that's a real comparison. Do you even know what's going on there? Do you even have the slightest clue that Renderotica is dealing with its own payment processing issues at this very moment?
Age checks? That doesn't solve the issue of the problem content being on the website. If you've been paying attention at all to what's going on here, it would be obvious to you that *adult content appearing on the website* is the problem. Not the possibility of minors seeing it.
"large-hipped women with enormous busts" - If you don't realize the difference between that and *actual* adult content, I don't even know what to say.
I think RenderHub was faced with a very difficult decision, and they chose to SAVE THE MAJORITY of their vendors and customer base instead of "standing up" in a losing battle attempting to save a few.
Is this a bad situation for those affected? Absolutely. But it's much better than being a bad situation for all.
And another one steps up to the microphone to announce how oblivious they are to what's happening in the REAL WORLD.
Do you really think a single website "standing up" to the government or corporations that control the flow of money would end well? No, it would not. That would most likely result in *all vendors* losing the ability to sell their products here.
As far as Renderotica goes, that's a real comparison. Do you even know what's going on there? Do you even have the slightest clue that Renderotica is dealing with its own payment processing issues at this very moment?
Age checks? That doesn't solve the issue of the problem content being on the website. If you've been paying attention at all to what's going on here, it would be obvious to you that *adult content appearing on the website* is the problem. Not the possibility of minors seeing it.
"large-hipped women with enormous busts" - If you don't realize the difference between that and *actual* adult content, I don't even know what to say.
I think RenderHub was faced with a very difficult decision, and they chose to SAVE THE MAJORITY of their vendors and customer base instead of "standing up" in a losing battle attempting to save a few.
Is this a bad situation for those affected? Absolutely. But it's much better than being a bad situation for all.
LoveRealPeople
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Fri, Jul 10Yeah, @stevenjoseph8844 yeah, the affiliate website trick seems very last line of defense. I think it might be time to buy as many products as one could and then burn a hardcopy to blue-ray fixed media.
I think maybe a peer 2 peer network with a payment solution might be the best answer where vendors can direct sell to buyers.
I think maybe a peer 2 peer network with a payment solution might be the best answer where vendors can direct sell to buyers.
Hello Ion, About four years ago, I started selling my work on RenderHub, as well as on CGTrader and a few other marketplaces. CGTrader and RenderHub have always been my two main sources of income. When CGTrader decided to ban this type of content, it was devastating for my business. RenderHub became my refuge because it was one of the few marketplaces that openly welcomed NSFW creators and gave us a place where our work was respected.
That's why this recent decision has been incredibly painful.
I wanted to ask you something directly.
Under the "Mature" category, would it still be possible for me to keep most of my models online?
In case you're not familiar with my work, I primarily create fantasy-themed adult toys, werewolves, monsters, dragons, and other fictional creatures. While I do have some human-related content, (I understand that may not fall under that cateegory) the vast majority of my catalog is based on fantasy and does not represent real people, violence or explicit sex acts.
If I censor my thumbnails, avoid explicit keywords or tags, rename my products, or make any other necessary adjustments, is there any way I could keep most of my fantasy models on RenderHub?
I'm genuinely asking because I want to stay. I don't want to leave this community after spending years building my store here.
However, if there is absolutely no way to continue selling my work under these new rules, then I'm afraid I'll have no choice but to leave RenderHub for as long as this decision remains in effect.
I would sincerely appreciate any clarification you can give me.
Thank you.
That's why this recent decision has been incredibly painful.
I wanted to ask you something directly.
Under the "Mature" category, would it still be possible for me to keep most of my models online?
In case you're not familiar with my work, I primarily create fantasy-themed adult toys, werewolves, monsters, dragons, and other fictional creatures. While I do have some human-related content, (I understand that may not fall under that cateegory) the vast majority of my catalog is based on fantasy and does not represent real people, violence or explicit sex acts.
If I censor my thumbnails, avoid explicit keywords or tags, rename my products, or make any other necessary adjustments, is there any way I could keep most of my fantasy models on RenderHub?
I'm genuinely asking because I want to stay. I don't want to leave this community after spending years building my store here.
However, if there is absolutely no way to continue selling my work under these new rules, then I'm afraid I'll have no choice but to leave RenderHub for as long as this decision remains in effect.
I would sincerely appreciate any clarification you can give me.
Thank you.
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Thu, Jul 09The best way is to edit 1 or 2 items and resubmit them in product manager. Moderators will see them and make a decision. In allot of cases this type of cleanup can do the trick, but sometimes it wont and we will kick it back as adult. Only way to know for sure is to try.
TriDsign
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Thu, Jul 09could a tag be a pproblem in that moderation? or just the title/images???
JohnnyDueDue
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Thu, Jul 09I'd probably try to find greener grass my man. This funny-looking guy is mighty shifty.
I went to respond to a comment and found my post deleted. This fact, despite it having been respectful, fair to you, measured with qualifying statements and well-reasoned is certainly very weird, and definitely flips my prior hesitantly-generous opinion of you and your business down the drain. Were you caught in your dishonesty a little too accurately for comfort or something? I didn't violate any rules, laws, social norms or provide any sensitive info--nor was I even rude for that matter-- so I'm inclined to believe so. Not that it matters. It's your site and you can do as you please, but 'grats on sniping yourself and the business you built in both feet at one I guess! +1 to the long list of folks who will never patronize you again. Thankfully the market will correct in favor of people that are more spinally robust and less slimeballs.
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Translation of what's going on here. - Our masters say 3D art images bad! They tell us they make us feel big pain. They tell us to obey slave, and stop the evil doers who like to explore sexuality through creation, or else! - Said to the owners here probably by some cunt who has tons of skeletons in his closet.
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1. Most of my wishlist is gone.
2. My hundreds of NSFW purchases are still available to download and hopefully it stays that way or I'm out.
3. I will never purchase from 3D stores that do not offer Paypal as payment so RH needs to do whatever it has to to remain in good standing.
4. A whole lot of locker room lawyers in this forum need to grow up.
It is what it is. If you do not like it, leave. Bye.
2. My hundreds of NSFW purchases are still available to download and hopefully it stays that way or I'm out.
3. I will never purchase from 3D stores that do not offer Paypal as payment so RH needs to do whatever it has to to remain in good standing.
4. A whole lot of locker room lawyers in this forum need to grow up.
It is what it is. If you do not like it, leave. Bye.
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One see how a duopoly can dictate it's own laws.
It's on the sake of child abuse they say ! There are probably 1000's sites providing this kind of thing.
The next time could be nature conservancy, solar panels political associations, depending on who's governing.
It's very worrying for the future, when all money will be digital..
I'm not a specialist be there could be other way of payment available.
It's on the sake of child abuse they say ! There are probably 1000's sites providing this kind of thing.
The next time could be nature conservancy, solar panels political associations, depending on who's governing.
It's very worrying for the future, when all money will be digital..
I'm not a specialist be there could be other way of payment available.
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Nice try but...
You can blame my poor English for this misunderstanding, but I can't translate "we had to make", "I felt" and "proactively considering" into a straightforward narrative. In NO language, btw.
Instead of cultivation a trustfully relationship between customers, vendors, artists and visitors you cut unilateral the contracts and (long term!) promises to work together.
Well, which pathetic future think you create with such a step? Even the creators of stuffed toys, puppys and environments need trust and reliability. This is not a sensible decision for a long-term business. So is it maybe unkindly to suspect you lied? To suspect it's not a long-term business you're planning but a sale in the near future?
Fun fact: When I wrote this and thought that maybe someone from the (formerly) trustworthy RH team could say something about my suspicions I stopped when I realised that this won't count at all. Because until almost yesterday you made money with adult content creators and now you are literally spitting at them (the least would be to refund the fees for the last quarter btw).
You can blame my poor English for this misunderstanding, but I can't translate "we had to make", "I felt" and "proactively considering" into a straightforward narrative. In NO language, btw.
Instead of cultivation a trustfully relationship between customers, vendors, artists and visitors you cut unilateral the contracts and (long term!) promises to work together.
Well, which pathetic future think you create with such a step? Even the creators of stuffed toys, puppys and environments need trust and reliability. This is not a sensible decision for a long-term business. So is it maybe unkindly to suspect you lied? To suspect it's not a long-term business you're planning but a sale in the near future?
Fun fact: When I wrote this and thought that maybe someone from the (formerly) trustworthy RH team could say something about my suspicions I stopped when I realised that this won't count at all. Because until almost yesterday you made money with adult content creators and now you are literally spitting at them (the least would be to refund the fees for the last quarter btw).
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What seems strange to me is that everyone here is automatically pointing to 3D NSFW content as the source of the problem. People may have forgotten - or never even seen it - but RH also sold NSFW products featuring real people (those products were labeled as scans)
I get that not everyone is familiar with the legal side of this, but anyone who knows even a little about it understands that this is an absolute legal minefield on any platform. Selling this kind of content legally requires meeting a number of requirements, such as verifying and documenting that everyone depicted is an adult. That's one of the fundamental reasons why platforms like Pornhub, OnlyFans, and the other sites people have mentioned can legally work with payment processors
The difference is that, with these products (especially here), those kinds of formalities never seemed to be addressed. They were simply uploaded, sold, often listed across multiple pages, and nobody appeared to question it
Of course, I could be wrong. But personally, I think these are exactly the kinds of products that could be considered the real source of the problem. In a way, it's also pretty weird that this type of content was allowed into a marketplace that was primarily focused on 3D content. It's hard to believe something like that slipped past the site's management without raising any questions
I get that not everyone is familiar with the legal side of this, but anyone who knows even a little about it understands that this is an absolute legal minefield on any platform. Selling this kind of content legally requires meeting a number of requirements, such as verifying and documenting that everyone depicted is an adult. That's one of the fundamental reasons why platforms like Pornhub, OnlyFans, and the other sites people have mentioned can legally work with payment processors
The difference is that, with these products (especially here), those kinds of formalities never seemed to be addressed. They were simply uploaded, sold, often listed across multiple pages, and nobody appeared to question it
Of course, I could be wrong. But personally, I think these are exactly the kinds of products that could be considered the real source of the problem. In a way, it's also pretty weird that this type of content was allowed into a marketplace that was primarily focused on 3D content. It's hard to believe something like that slipped past the site's management without raising any questions
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DreamGamesStudio
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Fri, Jul 10I'd also add one more thing:
People keep bringing up Renderotica, but I don't think it's an appropriate comparison to RH at all. Not that I have anything against Renderotica, but the content on that site was, in many cases, fundamentally different from what RH hosted
There were games covering topics that have been strictly prohibited on most major platforms for well over a decade (incest, rape, etc.). The marketplace also sold assets representing those themes, including things like cannibalism. You can argue that it's "just 3D content," but that argument doesn't really hold up with payment processors or other parties that evaluate businesses based on reputational risk
Even setting payment processors aside, the fact remains that content depicting certain themes (including incest) is illegal in many countries, even when it's entirely fictional or 3D. That alone makes it a completely different situation from what most people seem to be comparing it to
People keep bringing up Renderotica, but I don't think it's an appropriate comparison to RH at all. Not that I have anything against Renderotica, but the content on that site was, in many cases, fundamentally different from what RH hosted
There were games covering topics that have been strictly prohibited on most major platforms for well over a decade (incest, rape, etc.). The marketplace also sold assets representing those themes, including things like cannibalism. You can argue that it's "just 3D content," but that argument doesn't really hold up with payment processors or other parties that evaluate businesses based on reputational risk
Even setting payment processors aside, the fact remains that content depicting certain themes (including incest) is illegal in many countries, even when it's entirely fictional or 3D. That alone makes it a completely different situation from what most people seem to be comparing it to
kwerkx
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Fri, Jul 10You have a good point here about the scans. Similar to that is software that puts a real persons face on a model. I suspect some of the low effort characters popping into the market are randomly collected faces applied to a model but cannot prove it.
DreamGamesStudio
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Fri, Jul 10When it comes to those characters, it does happen. Whether it’s with the faces of ordinary people or celebrities. And regardless of the intended purpose of such an asset existing... in many cases, those models are used specifically for NSFW content
But who knows. Personally, I see a lot of reasons why things could have gone downhill here
But who knows. Personally, I see a lot of reasons why things could have gone downhill here
3DLoki
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Fri, Jul 10DreamGamesStudio: People keep bringing us up because we are legitimately the only other place that can sell NSFW content with the proper processing, plus we were the first marketplace to do so.
What might not actually be known to all depending on how long you've been around, Renderotica was essentially Renderosity, but Renderotisty refused to host adult content of any kind, one Thanksgiving around a dinner table a group of people said "screw it, let's put up some adult stuff" sales flew in, phones blew up and very shortly after the entire group split, some left and formed Renderotica (Diane, Jack, Doc, etc) and others stayed as Renderosity.
It was that initial group in 1999 that wanted to allow 'everything' and give a home to artists who were pushed out of other areas of the web and when Diane sold the company to Andrew (EhJay) he kept that philosophy in place and allowed everything that the processors would allow to be sold.
I've been at Renderotica since around 2008 I think, worked there as an admin from either 2011/2012 until 2023 and I just got back there this May, I'm not going to say the games you mention we're never there, but I can say I never saw anything like that since I've been there, the only games I can remember were "Boxing beauties" or "Foxy Boxing" or "Boxing Nuns" which was exactly what it sounds like, a fighting game with women fighting women. the images in the gallery however, I'm sure renders of that have been in there a lot of the time, but that stuff falls under different rules then the products because they are not being sold, so the credit card processors don't have any ruling over them.
Is all of the content for everyone? absolutely not, have we had safeguards in place for anyone to filter out any type of content they do not want to see? absolutely yes.
the argument of "Just 3D Content" is actually a lot deeper then you might think, because even your most hardcore asset is not actually "porn" NOT until the customer downloads it, brings it into a software, and then adds things to it. Marketplaces sell "code" that once added to software and paired with more things then becomes something else.
I'm going to give you an example of where presentation can totally change a product, we have a content artist who makes "napped" pose sets, and presented one way is considered one way, but you can actually look at the individual poses and go "Wow, I could use this pose for a lady running after a bus, I can use this one to make a person hail a cab, I can use this one to make a person running after a dog who just broke it's leash. Much like a very large portion of the BDSM products we have could be kit bashed with other products and turn into totally diff contexts like haunted houses, mad scientist labs, horror movie type renders and more,
I've spent the last month plus going through literally thousands and thousands of our products, and there's a lot more "SFW" stuff there then you might think, it's just the content artists there know that if their selling a pair of yoga pants with morphs, they will get more clicks and sales if the promos are of a topless woman wearing those yoga pants.
Sex and salaciousness sells, always has, always will, but context and presentation make all of the difference in the end.
I'm not here trying to argue with you that we don't have some dark content, but it is all legal content and it does have a right to exist and the creators of it have a right to sell it and help make a living from it.
We do however have a SFW storefront so we're not just all about the 'dark and dirty stuff' lol
What might not actually be known to all depending on how long you've been around, Renderotica was essentially Renderosity, but Renderotisty refused to host adult content of any kind, one Thanksgiving around a dinner table a group of people said "screw it, let's put up some adult stuff" sales flew in, phones blew up and very shortly after the entire group split, some left and formed Renderotica (Diane, Jack, Doc, etc) and others stayed as Renderosity.
It was that initial group in 1999 that wanted to allow 'everything' and give a home to artists who were pushed out of other areas of the web and when Diane sold the company to Andrew (EhJay) he kept that philosophy in place and allowed everything that the processors would allow to be sold.
I've been at Renderotica since around 2008 I think, worked there as an admin from either 2011/2012 until 2023 and I just got back there this May, I'm not going to say the games you mention we're never there, but I can say I never saw anything like that since I've been there, the only games I can remember were "Boxing beauties" or "Foxy Boxing" or "Boxing Nuns" which was exactly what it sounds like, a fighting game with women fighting women. the images in the gallery however, I'm sure renders of that have been in there a lot of the time, but that stuff falls under different rules then the products because they are not being sold, so the credit card processors don't have any ruling over them.
Is all of the content for everyone? absolutely not, have we had safeguards in place for anyone to filter out any type of content they do not want to see? absolutely yes.
the argument of "Just 3D Content" is actually a lot deeper then you might think, because even your most hardcore asset is not actually "porn" NOT until the customer downloads it, brings it into a software, and then adds things to it. Marketplaces sell "code" that once added to software and paired with more things then becomes something else.
I'm going to give you an example of where presentation can totally change a product, we have a content artist who makes "napped" pose sets, and presented one way is considered one way, but you can actually look at the individual poses and go "Wow, I could use this pose for a lady running after a bus, I can use this one to make a person hail a cab, I can use this one to make a person running after a dog who just broke it's leash. Much like a very large portion of the BDSM products we have could be kit bashed with other products and turn into totally diff contexts like haunted houses, mad scientist labs, horror movie type renders and more,
I've spent the last month plus going through literally thousands and thousands of our products, and there's a lot more "SFW" stuff there then you might think, it's just the content artists there know that if their selling a pair of yoga pants with morphs, they will get more clicks and sales if the promos are of a topless woman wearing those yoga pants.
Sex and salaciousness sells, always has, always will, but context and presentation make all of the difference in the end.
I'm not here trying to argue with you that we don't have some dark content, but it is all legal content and it does have a right to exist and the creators of it have a right to sell it and help make a living from it.
We do however have a SFW storefront so we're not just all about the 'dark and dirty stuff' lol
DreamGamesStudio
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Sat, Jul 11I appreciate the historical context about how Renderotica was created and the philosophy behind it. However, I don't think that really addresses the main question: could certain types of content on a marketplace create legal, financial, or payment-processing risks?
A platform's history, values, and commitment to artistic freedom are important, but payment processors, banks, and regulators generally evaluate things differently. A company can have a principled reason for allowing certain content and still face commercial problems because a processor may consider that content too risky, even if it is technically legal
The issue is often not only "is this legal?" but also: does it violate a processor's acceptable-use policies? Could it create regulatory scrutiny? Could it create reputational risk for the companies handling payments? A business can be legally compliant and still become commercially difficult to operate
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Regarding the point that "your most hardcore asset is not actually porn until the customer downloads it, imports it into software, and adds things," I understand the argument, but I don't think that distinction is always enough in practice
A marketplace is not judged only by the underlying file format. The product page, preview images, descriptions, keywords, and intended use all contribute to how the product is perceived
For example, a company selling a "knife collection for 3D rendering" and a company selling a "torture knife pack with blood effects for realistic murder scenes" are technically both selling 3D models, but the surrounding context changes how customers, partners, and payment processors perceive them. The same principle applies here
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The presentation argument is also interesting because it works both ways. Your yoga pants example is valid: a product can have multiple possible uses depending on context. But if context matters for individual products, then the overall context of the marketplace matters as well
A platform selling architecture models, vehicles, environments, and general-purpose assets creates a different perception than a platform where a significant part of the storefront consists of highly sexualized products with explicit promotional material
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Regarding safeguards and content filters: those are useful for protecting users from seeing content they do not want to see, but they do not necessarily solve the broader business risks. User filters do not address questions from payment processors, regulators, legal claims, or reputational concerns
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I also want to clarify that I am not arguing that adult 3D content should not exist, or that creators should not be able to make and sell it. My point is narrower: certain categories of content can create additional risks for a marketplace, especially when combined with other factors
So I think the discussion is less about whether adult art has a right to exist, and more about how marketplaces manage legal exposure, payment infrastructure, and business risk
A platform's history, values, and commitment to artistic freedom are important, but payment processors, banks, and regulators generally evaluate things differently. A company can have a principled reason for allowing certain content and still face commercial problems because a processor may consider that content too risky, even if it is technically legal
The issue is often not only "is this legal?" but also: does it violate a processor's acceptable-use policies? Could it create regulatory scrutiny? Could it create reputational risk for the companies handling payments? A business can be legally compliant and still become commercially difficult to operate
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Regarding the point that "your most hardcore asset is not actually porn until the customer downloads it, imports it into software, and adds things," I understand the argument, but I don't think that distinction is always enough in practice
A marketplace is not judged only by the underlying file format. The product page, preview images, descriptions, keywords, and intended use all contribute to how the product is perceived
For example, a company selling a "knife collection for 3D rendering" and a company selling a "torture knife pack with blood effects for realistic murder scenes" are technically both selling 3D models, but the surrounding context changes how customers, partners, and payment processors perceive them. The same principle applies here
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The presentation argument is also interesting because it works both ways. Your yoga pants example is valid: a product can have multiple possible uses depending on context. But if context matters for individual products, then the overall context of the marketplace matters as well
A platform selling architecture models, vehicles, environments, and general-purpose assets creates a different perception than a platform where a significant part of the storefront consists of highly sexualized products with explicit promotional material
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Regarding safeguards and content filters: those are useful for protecting users from seeing content they do not want to see, but they do not necessarily solve the broader business risks. User filters do not address questions from payment processors, regulators, legal claims, or reputational concerns
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I also want to clarify that I am not arguing that adult 3D content should not exist, or that creators should not be able to make and sell it. My point is narrower: certain categories of content can create additional risks for a marketplace, especially when combined with other factors
So I think the discussion is less about whether adult art has a right to exist, and more about how marketplaces manage legal exposure, payment infrastructure, and business risk
So, is there going to be a wishlist purge of all the hidden products? My wishlist keeps notifying me that items are on sale and there is nothing in my wishlist...well there was but it was hidden from being able to purchase after the 'purge'.
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I think Daz is also having problems with Plus and Premier subscriptions because they're flagging it as NSFW.
On the other hand, Subscriber and Patreon continue to offer adult content, and payments are being processed without issue. Furthermore, there are fully explicit, pay-per-view porn sites that don't have any problems.
Couldn't they adopt the same payment platforms as those sites?
On the other hand, Subscriber and Patreon continue to offer adult content, and payments are being processed without issue. Furthermore, there are fully explicit, pay-per-view porn sites that don't have any problems.
Couldn't they adopt the same payment platforms as those sites?
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Masterstroke
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Sat, Jul 11Funny:
Adult platform companies say, that red states have the highest access to porn hubs.
Some payed adult platforms are corrupted with infected links and you're spam folder will explode after subscribing.
Well, I don't really know, but it is weird, how some portals are targeted, and some don't.
Maybe, the Government will let you get away with it, when you call your portal "Yay, Epstein" or something.
Adult platform companies say, that red states have the highest access to porn hubs.
Some payed adult platforms are corrupted with infected links and you're spam folder will explode after subscribing.
Well, I don't really know, but it is weird, how some portals are targeted, and some don't.
Maybe, the Government will let you get away with it, when you call your portal "Yay, Epstein" or something.
I'll repost:
Epoch, CCbill and those types of 'porn' billing companies are for subscription sites. Most adult content sites prefer subscriptions - not payment for single downloads - like at this store. Those adult site billing companies also take a percentage of the sales. So, prices on 3d products here would have to go up to make up for the increased cost of doing business and sales would go down.
Ask yourself... if using a porn billing company was a total fix... why aren't Renderosity and DAZ using that?
Unless you're a mega site then small stores like renderhub are at the mercy of VISA and the creditor companies who don't care about sites like this. The billing companies kiss VISA's ass. And all these Poser/DAZ stores have to deal with billing companies
Epoch, CCbill and those types of 'porn' billing companies are for subscription sites. Most adult content sites prefer subscriptions - not payment for single downloads - like at this store. Those adult site billing companies also take a percentage of the sales. So, prices on 3d products here would have to go up to make up for the increased cost of doing business and sales would go down.
Ask yourself... if using a porn billing company was a total fix... why aren't Renderosity and DAZ using that?
Unless you're a mega site then small stores like renderhub are at the mercy of VISA and the creditor companies who don't care about sites like this. The billing companies kiss VISA's ass. And all these Poser/DAZ stores have to deal with billing companies
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3DLoki
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Sat, Jul 11Renderosity and Daz are not using that because they do not off what would be considered adult content.
Editorial nudity, which is the only actual nudity allowed in the stores is not considered "porn" or "adult content"
Neither site sells BDSM, Sex animations or sex toy products so they can get by with any processor they want to deal with.
Also just because you have adult content doesn't mean you need a "porn billing company" YES CCbill and Epoch are both HRP's that primarily are used for Adult membership sites but ANY HRP would do. (Though CCbill actually has many mainstream non adult clients)
To be fair, ALL processors and billing companies provide a list of "rules" and those rules change, they don't care who you are or what you sell as long as it's legal, as long as you follow their rules to the best of your ability they work with you., to many people tend to conflate things that are just not actually related to each other because it's easier then admitting "I've never ran a marketplace before or dealt with these types of things, but this narrative makes sense so therefore it must be true."
I'm not saying you personally, just in general, but then what happens is you have hundreds of arm chair lawyers who thing the online retail world works one way when in reality it's almost never the case the general public assume it is.
Editorial nudity, which is the only actual nudity allowed in the stores is not considered "porn" or "adult content"
Neither site sells BDSM, Sex animations or sex toy products so they can get by with any processor they want to deal with.
Also just because you have adult content doesn't mean you need a "porn billing company" YES CCbill and Epoch are both HRP's that primarily are used for Adult membership sites but ANY HRP would do. (Though CCbill actually has many mainstream non adult clients)
To be fair, ALL processors and billing companies provide a list of "rules" and those rules change, they don't care who you are or what you sell as long as it's legal, as long as you follow their rules to the best of your ability they work with you., to many people tend to conflate things that are just not actually related to each other because it's easier then admitting "I've never ran a marketplace before or dealt with these types of things, but this narrative makes sense so therefore it must be true."
I'm not saying you personally, just in general, but then what happens is you have hundreds of arm chair lawyers who thing the online retail world works one way when in reality it's almost never the case the general public assume it is.
3DLoki
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Sat, Jul 11REALLY wish we had edit ability lol
"Renderosity and Daz are not using that because they do not OFFER what would be considered adult content."
"Renderosity and Daz are not using that because they do not OFFER what would be considered adult content."
Excessive
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Sun, Jul 12several of the free items I've posted here that have been marked NSFW and de-listed are not categorically different from lots of items sold on the DAZ store right now, in particular the rerig of the DAZ Anatomical Elements model that is in every "Pro" character pack and in a few dozen side products that extend it with morphs, textures etc.
Renderhub is getting kicked in the nuts by the billing company and punched in the face by the community... when Renderhub had nothing to do with the turn of events.
I know it sucks for vendors but Renderhub probably had a 24 hour warning.
Why would Renderhub devise this evil scheme to screw you all over when this site is going to lose money from the decision as well?
What does Renderhub gain from having to make this difficult decision?
I know it sucks for vendors but Renderhub probably had a 24 hour warning.
Why would Renderhub devise this evil scheme to screw you all over when this site is going to lose money from the decision as well?
What does Renderhub gain from having to make this difficult decision?
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stevenjoseph8844
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Sat, Jul 11Another reasonable response to the situation. I wish I could upvote your comment because clearly, you see the big picture.
Hellcat
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Sat, Jul 11I'm still not 100 percent convinced that this site won't be sold to someone else (purging NSFW content prior to new ownership is a pattern), but there are people on the DAZ forums saying they can't buy stuff there because Visa and Mastercard flags it as adult, so it is possible.
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/766111/is-daz-suffering-from-the-restrictions-of-payment-platforms
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/766111/is-daz-suffering-from-the-restrictions-of-payment-platforms
3DLoki
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Sun, Jul 12I'd be very surprised if Ion was planning to sell the site considering he is working on his own Daz/Poser style software (A trend of the marketplaces if you think about it) selling an asset marketplace while making your own software that will need assets is a VERY shortsighted idea lol
As for "people in the Daz forums saying they can't buy stuff" it's 1 person, and that same person has posted here and at Renderotica making it sound like it's a issue effecting many people HOWEVER it's only effecting them. but you can see on that forum that no one else seems to be having any issues buying things, renewing memberships etc. and as I mentioned in another thread either here or at Renderotica, I went directly to the Daz PA server and NO ONE was talking about it, so it appears to be an isolated issue with that one person and not some kind of sweeping issue.
Just trying to drop this info so we don't start running around like Chicken Little because all signs deff point to "The sky is NOT falling"
As for "people in the Daz forums saying they can't buy stuff" it's 1 person, and that same person has posted here and at Renderotica making it sound like it's a issue effecting many people HOWEVER it's only effecting them. but you can see on that forum that no one else seems to be having any issues buying things, renewing memberships etc. and as I mentioned in another thread either here or at Renderotica, I went directly to the Daz PA server and NO ONE was talking about it, so it appears to be an isolated issue with that one person and not some kind of sweeping issue.
Just trying to drop this info so we don't start running around like Chicken Little because all signs deff point to "The sky is NOT falling"
Katsuyaki
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Mon, Jul 13Hellcat: "I'm still not 100 percent convinced that this site won't be sold to someone else (purging NSFW content prior to new ownership is a pattern), but there are people on the DAZ forums saying they can't buy stuff there because Visa and Mastercard flags it as adult, so it is possible."
I broke down and made several purchases at DAZ 3D last week -- the first since they kicked off Premier. I bought a ton of Gen 9 characters and morphs, including some breast and gens morphs with very explicit demo images, and I had absolutely no problem using my card at checkout.
I broke down and made several purchases at DAZ 3D last week -- the first since they kicked off Premier. I bought a ton of Gen 9 characters and morphs, including some breast and gens morphs with very explicit demo images, and I had absolutely no problem using my card at checkout.
zombiecharger65
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Tue, Jul 14Speaking as someone who buys from Daz nearly every single day (I have spending problems, don't judge me), I can assure you that I have NEVER had Mastercard or Visa reject a transaction even once. I have had my bank flag it as fraud occasionally because I made too many purchases in a very short amount of time because of how they do their sales sometimes with the get X items for the sale price and then the rest go to full price. That is one of the things I like about RH, the sale price is what it is, you don't have to buy things you don't want to get the discount on what you do want.
I'll continue to support Renderhub as a buyer and Renderotica. When these small site who DO SUPPORT adult content die... where do we go? Deviantart? Next week DA could ban adult content like they have done several times in the past.
Support these small DAZ/Poser sites
Support these small DAZ/Poser sites
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PasahRi
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Sun, Jul 12I agree with you 100%—especially when it comes to 'rotica / cgbytes. On Renderhub, it's currently becoming increasingly difficult to publish products for the XXX sector (there is no longer an ADULT section, and the MATURE rules now in effect must be strictly followed... even when they're tightened without warning).
I was actually planning to shut down (or rather, put on hold) my little store here. But I just had one (last) idea, which I'll post in my thread for discussion. It'll take about an hour from now:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14788/after-the-nsfw-purge
I was actually planning to shut down (or rather, put on hold) my little store here. But I just had one (last) idea, which I'll post in my thread for discussion. It'll take about an hour from now:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14788/after-the-nsfw-purge
dylanw0937
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Sun, Jul 12Wow... well, you know...
When one empire falls, another rises to take its place.
That’s just how history works
Maybe...
But Renderxxxxtica is still soldiering on—at least the way I see it,
They haven't given up yet.
I don't know the actual situation, though—let's give them some time..
When one empire falls, another rises to take its place.
That’s just how history works
Maybe...
But Renderxxxxtica is still soldiering on—at least the way I see it,
They haven't given up yet.
I don't know the actual situation, though—let's give them some time..
3DLoki
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Sun, Jul 12What do you want to know? (ROT Admin here)
I can type everything out OR I can just answer what you'd like to know, for now I'll just wait for you to decide.
I can type everything out OR I can just answer what you'd like to know, for now I'll just wait for you to decide.
PasahRi
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Sun, Jul 12@dylanw0937
'rotica is on the right track. There will be an announcement on the forum (and possibly on the blog as well) on Monday or Tuesday (from what I've read there). Stay tuned
'rotica is on the right track. There will be an announcement on the forum (and possibly on the blog as well) on Monday or Tuesday (from what I've read there). Stay tuned
We were wondering if there will be guidelines in terms of acceptable nudity from now on?
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Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Jul 11From what I can tell at this point, you should be prepared for a longer wait and rules that are still very vague. See also my thread on this topic:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14788/after-the-nsfw-purge
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14788/after-the-nsfw-purge
Bobb
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Sun, Jul 12Looks like RH is now censoring the forums. It's time to move these conversations to Discord. The unofficial Daz server, 'Daz3D Slackers' is a pretty good place.
Palo_Alto
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Sun, Jul 12Daz3d censored me, which shouldn't surprise anyone.
But it did catch my attention. I wrote on the Daz3d discussion forum about the problem I'm having subscribing to Daz+ or Premiere because of Visa/Mastercard restrictions, and they deleted the thread. Just like that.
I think the situation is getting very complicated.
But it did catch my attention. I wrote on the Daz3d discussion forum about the problem I'm having subscribing to Daz+ or Premiere because of Visa/Mastercard restrictions, and they deleted the thread. Just like that.
I think the situation is getting very complicated.
Aeon Soul
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Tue, Jul 14Thanks for the tip, however I was hoping for an official statement.
We publish on different websites and like to release our products at the same time. I haven't seen mention of a promo approval queue or some such, it would be nice to know if something like that it's happening or not.
I guess we will find out at our next upload, but and heads up would be appreciated.
We publish on different websites and like to release our products at the same time. I haven't seen mention of a promo approval queue or some such, it would be nice to know if something like that it's happening or not.
I guess we will find out at our next upload, but and heads up would be appreciated.
Whatever the reason is, I think this change makes RenderHub look much more professional. I know that I will be recommending this site more often to my friends and work associates now.
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guy91600
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Sun, Jul 12https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10819/is-3d-an-art-share-your-thoughts
I started this thread because I wondered why a painter can paint "The Origin of the World" and have the painting displayed in a museum open to the general public, yet the same digital depiction gets censored.
If I understand correctly, we will be able to freely distribute—on a pirate site (with no age verification) that I won't name so as not to give them publicity—assets that are impossible to upload here or on other sites.
But where is the protection for children?
I started this thread because I wondered why a painter can paint "The Origin of the World" and have the painting displayed in a museum open to the general public, yet the same digital depiction gets censored.
If I understand correctly, we will be able to freely distribute—on a pirate site (with no age verification) that I won't name so as not to give them publicity—assets that are impossible to upload here or on other sites.
But where is the protection for children?
I realize it's a done deal and I'm wasting my time posting about this, but how is DAZ able to sell adult/NSFW content like anatomically correct models, spread vagina morphs, elaborate foreskin morphs etc for their figures, and have ordinary VISA/Mastercard/AmEx/Discover payment processing? And they're operated out of Mormon country to boot.
Also, Steam has not removed NSFW content, there's plenty of very unambiguous and explicit porn games sold there with new ones released all the time.
Also, Steam has not removed NSFW content, there's plenty of very unambiguous and explicit porn games sold there with new ones released all the time.
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Bejaymac
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Sun, Jul 12DAZ had to change all of that several months ago, main promo shows nothing, other promos are "clay" renders.
Steam requires you to have a credit card registered with them before you can access any of those types of games, I'm 60 and I've never owned a CC so all of that NSFW is blocked for me.
Steam requires you to have a credit card registered with them before you can access any of those types of games, I'm 60 and I've never owned a CC so all of that NSFW is blocked for me.
Excessive
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Sun, Jul 12No, there's plenty of stuff currently listed in the DAZ store that shows textured closeup promo pics of bare breasts, pubic hair, genitals etc. Looking at a bunch of listings as I post this.
I'm extremely surprised to see Humanix products are gone.
As I understand these could be used for NSfW. They are basically strict human anatomy. Is it the close ups of nipples and nether pictures publicly available ?
I won't dare to say that I use them for medical depictions but they could very well fit in this use.
Searching serious anatomical sites you often stumble on very descriptive things !
https://fr.scribd.com/document/474097628/Classification-of-the-anatomical-variation-in-female-external-genitalia
As I understand these could be used for NSfW. They are basically strict human anatomy. Is it the close ups of nipples and nether pictures publicly available ?
I won't dare to say that I use them for medical depictions but they could very well fit in this use.
Searching serious anatomical sites you often stumble on very descriptive things !
https://fr.scribd.com/document/474097628/Classification-of-the-anatomical-variation-in-female-external-genitalia
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I posted this in another thread, so I apologize if it looks like I'm spamming, but I'm seriously looking for the answer.
I tried an experiment with Google's A.I., and these were the answers I got:
Playboy: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (N)
Penthouse: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (Y)
Blacked: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (N)
OnlyFans: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (N)
Hegre: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (Y)
XHamster: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (Y)
There are more, but you can see that all of these sites still accept Visa and Mastercard, and at least half still accept PayPal (again, according to Google).
So the question I have to ask is, if these sites can offer the services and products that they offer and still retain access to their payment processors, why can't RendeHub?
I tried an experiment with Google's A.I., and these were the answers I got:
Playboy: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (N)
Penthouse: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (Y)
Blacked: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (N)
OnlyFans: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (N)
Hegre: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (Y)
XHamster: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (Y)
There are more, but you can see that all of these sites still accept Visa and Mastercard, and at least half still accept PayPal (again, according to Google).
So the question I have to ask is, if these sites can offer the services and products that they offer and still retain access to their payment processors, why can't RendeHub?
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Bobb
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Mon, Jul 13(I can't verify the following. It's from discussions I've seen in other forums during the past couple of years)
This is being caused by pressure from a religious group called 'Collective Voice (or Shout). They are a branch of the international organization called 'Assemblies of God' and are based out of Australia. Their playbook is to apply pressure on politicians and payment processors by making completely false claims of kiddie porn against sites offering items they don't like. They're the same ones who tried to take down Steam two years ago by claiming that many of their games promoted violence against women. Steam replied by giving the games away free AND threatening them with their army of lawyers. CS (Collective Shout) backed off and regrouped. Their back and attacking the smallest company, here. With this success they'll continue up the ladder to larger companies. The present politics in the US has the Republicans and their pretend morality going along with them. The payment companies will knuckle under because all they care about is image and profit.
The BIG porn companies are in their sites but it'll take a lot of ammo to bring them down because they're large and insanely profitable. That means that they can afford lots of lawyers. Because they have no infrastructure to speak of (factories etc), they can move somewhere else easily. I would imagine that they could also arrange for their own method of payment, maybe crypto or tokens (like civitai does).
This is being caused by pressure from a religious group called 'Collective Voice (or Shout). They are a branch of the international organization called 'Assemblies of God' and are based out of Australia. Their playbook is to apply pressure on politicians and payment processors by making completely false claims of kiddie porn against sites offering items they don't like. They're the same ones who tried to take down Steam two years ago by claiming that many of their games promoted violence against women. Steam replied by giving the games away free AND threatening them with their army of lawyers. CS (Collective Shout) backed off and regrouped. Their back and attacking the smallest company, here. With this success they'll continue up the ladder to larger companies. The present politics in the US has the Republicans and their pretend morality going along with them. The payment companies will knuckle under because all they care about is image and profit.
The BIG porn companies are in their sites but it'll take a lot of ammo to bring them down because they're large and insanely profitable. That means that they can afford lots of lawyers. Because they have no infrastructure to speak of (factories etc), they can move somewhere else easily. I would imagine that they could also arrange for their own method of payment, maybe crypto or tokens (like civitai does).
Katsuyaki
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Mon, Jul 13Is this what Renderhub is claiming? I haven't read every single response, but it doesn't appear to me that they've been that transparent -- just that pressure from above has forced them into taking these actions.
"The present politics in the US has the Republicans and their pretend morality going along with them. The payment companies will knuckle under because all they care about is image and profit."
You do realize that Trump is currently suing Chase for debanking him a few years ago, and conservatives in general have been the target of debanking campaigns for the last several years.
Per Google A.I. : "is there legislation to prevent debanking for political reasons"
Answer: "Yes, there is federal policy addressing this. The practice is primarily targeted by Executive Order 14331, which mandates that banks cannot deny or restrict financial services based on political or religious beliefs, affiliations, or lawful business activities.:"
Note the clause "lawful business activities". There was nothing illegal about Renderhub's products -- they weren't illegal to sell, and they weren't illegal to own -- so terminating access to financial services because of them would seem to be in violation of that. Now this is just an EO and really needs to be encoded in federal law, but at least it's a start.
"The present politics in the US has the Republicans and their pretend morality going along with them. The payment companies will knuckle under because all they care about is image and profit."
You do realize that Trump is currently suing Chase for debanking him a few years ago, and conservatives in general have been the target of debanking campaigns for the last several years.
Per Google A.I. : "is there legislation to prevent debanking for political reasons"
Answer: "Yes, there is federal policy addressing this. The practice is primarily targeted by Executive Order 14331, which mandates that banks cannot deny or restrict financial services based on political or religious beliefs, affiliations, or lawful business activities.:"
Note the clause "lawful business activities". There was nothing illegal about Renderhub's products -- they weren't illegal to sell, and they weren't illegal to own -- so terminating access to financial services because of them would seem to be in violation of that. Now this is just an EO and really needs to be encoded in federal law, but at least it's a start.
Greaseball420
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Mon, Jul 13Exactly. It should be noted if Renderhub is really facing this kind of pressure, mentioning this executive order has made them back off in the past. Most notably with the extremely infamous KiwiFarms. Assuming they aren't just using this as a scape goat, a firmly worded letter mentioning reports to the FDIC, Reserve and OCC has a track record of making these companies follow the impending law.
With all nesessary NSFW content. And clear R18 warnings and everything nesessary filters and there are somehow still people who do not want to see that type do content somehwo see this content and get offended. At that point I really do not think that issue is in the website.... Also as for my favorite argument, scapegoat and such "but... but... kids are gonna see"... There are resposibilities that parents have and few of them include educating them about online and be aware on website those little buggers browse at but no... some do not do that. They tend to just give their kids smardevices without educating them about it. and then get oppressed that their kid found adult content. Surprise, surprise. -Also, there's good reason why it is adult content. Honestly, education really failed a a person if they cannot understand what that means.
But anyway. Am kinda ok with the fact that probably not whole gallery page is all about 1001 different variations of nudity. Maybe there's actually creative pieces and art there. At the moment what annoys me most is how 10 download limit shrunk into 5. In times like this. =...=' The least you could do would be to lift that download limit off in order to save as many as many freebies and such as humanely possible.
But anyway. Am kinda ok with the fact that probably not whole gallery page is all about 1001 different variations of nudity. Maybe there's actually creative pieces and art there. At the moment what annoys me most is how 10 download limit shrunk into 5. In times like this. =...=' The least you could do would be to lift that download limit off in order to save as many as many freebies and such as humanely possible.
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Even as a CEO, you derive your power from the artists here. No one-neither the artists nor the customers-supports this sudden decision. You should have given everyone who puts their effort into this a voice and some time.
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guy91600
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Mon, Jul 13If I understood correctly, RenderHub made the decision quickly and without prior notice due to a lack of time. Would you have preferred the entire site to be inaccessible right now?
Bigfoto
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Mon, Jul 13I don't believe this process unfolded all of a sudden; it certainly must have taken some time. Do you think they received a notice saying, "Remove the 'mature' products immediately, or else the site will be shut down tomorrow"? I don't think so. No one wants to lose access entirely, but I imagine these kinds of situations involve a gradual process.
I know it's all recent, but where are the sellers going with their products? Rendererotica, maybe? But I've heard they're having some payment issues lately.
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3DLoki
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Mon, Jul 13Psssst (Processing issue, we've never had a payment issue, we've pretty much always paid out vendors on time)
Right now ALL 3D products can be bought again, we're still working to find new HRP for our comics and image sets
Right now ALL 3D products can be bought again, we're still working to find new HRP for our comics and image sets
3DLoki
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Mon, Jul 13forgot to add, official announcements will be posted today or tomorrow on our sites, waiting on one last thing before I make those posts.
bikdingle
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Mon, Jul 13Currently I'm moving my adult/giantess products to my Deviant Art gallery
https://www.deviantart.com/bikdingle/gallery/102345391/bikdingle-s-daz-assets-for-sale
GrapeJuice3D put me on to the idea
https://www.deviantart.com/grapejuice3d/gallery/102344182/nsfw-daz-products
https://www.deviantart.com/grapejuice3d/gallery/102355607/sfw-daz-products
I'm considering Renderotica and got an invite from a yet to be launched site
https://www.deviantart.com/bikdingle/gallery/102345391/bikdingle-s-daz-assets-for-sale
GrapeJuice3D put me on to the idea
https://www.deviantart.com/grapejuice3d/gallery/102344182/nsfw-daz-products
https://www.deviantart.com/grapejuice3d/gallery/102355607/sfw-daz-products
I'm considering Renderotica and got an invite from a yet to be launched site
creativeguy59
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Mon, Jul 13Yeah. I am hoping DA and SubscribeStar remain without issues. Especially as comics and image content seem to be out of question for the sites I wanted to start utilizing more. Guess I'll see folks there.
dirtrider00
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Mon, Jul 13Just bought a couple things from Pawn and Godless I had in my wishlist here over at R'otica to test everything out, no problems what so ever. R"otica sends them over to CGbytes and then do the checkout from there. Not as simple as before but not that big of a deal.
Out of curiosity as I have been doing some research recently as I wanted to expand my comics to different site sand they are quickly falling.
Are Renderotica and RenderHub considering something like CCBILL or is there a reason it doesn't fit the 3d content site model? Or a similar site?
Curious if anyone knows the whys or why nots it can't be used for payment processing etc. Or if that even matters to the problem at hand.
Thanks!
Are Renderotica and RenderHub considering something like CCBILL or is there a reason it doesn't fit the 3d content site model? Or a similar site?
Curious if anyone knows the whys or why nots it can't be used for payment processing etc. Or if that even matters to the problem at hand.
Thanks!
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3DLoki
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Mon, Jul 13Last i knew, CCBILL only really deals with subscription sites and were not really setup for per product type sales.
With that said we are currently in talks with multiple HRP's that are set up for a marketplace like ours, it's just a timely process.
With that said we are currently in talks with multiple HRP's that are set up for a marketplace like ours, it's just a timely process.
evgen1963
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Tue, Jul 14hi, I started posting G9 on rendererotic, but there's a long moderation, why is this happening?
Who is behind this? Is it annoying religious groups again? I think if it's a religious group we need to lobby government to get their religion banned. Do they realize all violent crime have fallen by about 66% since 1990's, most likely thanks to adult content?
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7/21/2026
Hi Ion,
Thank you for sharing this unfortunate situation and for being transparent about it. I totally understand where you're coming from. This is definitely not right, and for these payment processors to trample and violate the civil and legal rights of U.S. Citizens and force their unlawful BS on people to hinder our choices when it comes to purchasing adult related assets and content or anything, whether it's through RenderHub, or any other similar platforms, they are violating U.S. law.
These payment processors have a near monopoly when it comes to forcing their extreme rules, even if it violates civil and legal rights and it is clear these unlawful actions are being challenged in Federal court. Even the U.S. Federal Government agrees that this behavior violates the law and the U.S. Constitution. In the ongoing U.S. Department of Justice lawsuit against Visa, (which is still ongoing), the DOJ explicitly states that Visa uses "unlawful cooperation and monopolization" to buy off rivals, penalize merchants, and freeze out competition.
All of the top payment processors in the U.S. that have acted unlawfully should be included in this ongoing lawsuit against Visa. I believe another major lawsuit should be filed to represent the U.S. public interest to protect our civil and legal rights under the U.S. Constitution and not let these nefarious clowns continue their unlawful wrongdoing to illegally dictate what U.S. consumers can and cannot buy. It is damn shameful and wrong that this is even happening and something needs to be done to stop their lawless BS once and for all!
The fact is if we stand united against such unlawful actions, we can prevail against these payment processors and make sure our rights are no longer violated because they are NOT above the law, and even our Government recognizes this, so perhaps it is high time we all do our part to end these messed up and illegal actions by these payment processors once and for all because none of this should be happening with RenderHub or any similar platform, or any platform for that matter.
That said, you have my support. My partner and I would be happy to contribute any helpful ideas and suggestions to help your platform and the artists in the community.
Regards, J
New York, NY USA
Hi Ion,
Thank you for sharing this unfortunate situation and for being transparent about it. I totally understand where you're coming from. This is definitely not right, and for these payment processors to trample and violate the civil and legal rights of U.S. Citizens and force their unlawful BS on people to hinder our choices when it comes to purchasing adult related assets and content or anything, whether it's through RenderHub, or any other similar platforms, they are violating U.S. law.
These payment processors have a near monopoly when it comes to forcing their extreme rules, even if it violates civil and legal rights and it is clear these unlawful actions are being challenged in Federal court. Even the U.S. Federal Government agrees that this behavior violates the law and the U.S. Constitution. In the ongoing U.S. Department of Justice lawsuit against Visa, (which is still ongoing), the DOJ explicitly states that Visa uses "unlawful cooperation and monopolization" to buy off rivals, penalize merchants, and freeze out competition.
All of the top payment processors in the U.S. that have acted unlawfully should be included in this ongoing lawsuit against Visa. I believe another major lawsuit should be filed to represent the U.S. public interest to protect our civil and legal rights under the U.S. Constitution and not let these nefarious clowns continue their unlawful wrongdoing to illegally dictate what U.S. consumers can and cannot buy. It is damn shameful and wrong that this is even happening and something needs to be done to stop their lawless BS once and for all!
The fact is if we stand united against such unlawful actions, we can prevail against these payment processors and make sure our rights are no longer violated because they are NOT above the law, and even our Government recognizes this, so perhaps it is high time we all do our part to end these messed up and illegal actions by these payment processors once and for all because none of this should be happening with RenderHub or any similar platform, or any platform for that matter.
That said, you have my support. My partner and I would be happy to contribute any helpful ideas and suggestions to help your platform and the artists in the community.
Regards, J
New York, NY USA
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BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 22Yeah they are on thin ice right now with the Supreme Court, which is good.
Here's hoping it truly ends soon.
Here's hoping it truly ends soon.
I admit, I do find it amusing how at least one vendor has suddenly put up a lot of 'Eating Ice Cream' animation sets recently (not that its a bad thing, just very creative ^_^)
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I don;'t want to run through the whole thread. if we purchased stuff that falls into that category is it still available here?
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DoroThee237
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Mon, Jul 27guy91600 Karma: 19,687Just Now
Yes, the purchased products (whether free or paid) remain accessible via the download menu.
Yes, the purchased products (whether free or paid) remain accessible via the download menu.
As much as this sucks, I don't like complaining about a problem without offering a solution. So here is the idea I had:
What if the site had two separate payment forms? If you order non-adult content, you are taken to the regular payment form that Visa, Mastercard, etc uses. If you order adult content, you are instead taken to a payment form that uses something like Epoch or CCBill.
As for how your cart would handle this, I see two possibilities: you can either have two carts (one adult and one not) or you can throw some sort of error when people try to check out with a mix of adult and non-adult content in their cart. For example, "Your cart contains a mix of standard and adult content. In order to comply with payment processor regulations, adult content purchases must be separated. Remove items from your cart until either only adult or only standard content remain." (That's probably terribly worded, but you get the idea.
What if the site had two separate payment forms? If you order non-adult content, you are taken to the regular payment form that Visa, Mastercard, etc uses. If you order adult content, you are instead taken to a payment form that uses something like Epoch or CCBill.
As for how your cart would handle this, I see two possibilities: you can either have two carts (one adult and one not) or you can throw some sort of error when people try to check out with a mix of adult and non-adult content in their cart. For example, "Your cart contains a mix of standard and adult content. In order to comply with payment processor regulations, adult content purchases must be separated. Remove items from your cart until either only adult or only standard content remain." (That's probably terribly worded, but you get the idea.
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Hello, I'm looking for contact information for a creator of erotic animations for Genesis 9.
I'm interested in all creators, but most of the items on my wish list were from a creator who combined animations with Dictator morphs and jiggle breasts.
I'd appreciate any information.
I'm interested in all creators, but most of the items on my wish list were from a creator who combined animations with Dictator morphs and jiggle breasts.
I'd appreciate any information.
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Too many vendors are bowing to this payment processor bullshit. Instead of constantly bending over and taking it, companies, this one included, should be lobbying against it. If your services and products are not illegal, then it should not be legal for a payment processor to deny services. They are not a governing entity and are using scare and bullying tactics to get their way. We need lawmakers on our side and people/businesses willing to go to lawmakers to make it illegal for payment processors to deny service to legal business for any reason.
I know I'm late to this conversation but I have already decided to cease business with this site. Thankfully I have all needed assets that I use backed up. I will not do business with those that bow to payment processor bullying as it further enables them to do whatever they want. If enough businesses said no, this bullshit would stop. Miniapps.ai was one that did this. They discontinued business with payment processors and went strictly crypto for a couple of months and now they are back to having credit and debit options available and uncensored chat bots are back online. Patreon is also getting more relaxed on NSFW content as well. People vote with their wallets. Fight for your right to sell your product or loose your business.
I know I'm late to this conversation but I have already decided to cease business with this site. Thankfully I have all needed assets that I use backed up. I will not do business with those that bow to payment processor bullying as it further enables them to do whatever they want. If enough businesses said no, this bullshit would stop. Miniapps.ai was one that did this. They discontinued business with payment processors and went strictly crypto for a couple of months and now they are back to having credit and debit options available and uncensored chat bots are back online. Patreon is also getting more relaxed on NSFW content as well. People vote with their wallets. Fight for your right to sell your product or loose your business.
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guy91600
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Wed, Aug 19I disagree with your stance, because by stopping your use of RenderHub, you are actually penalizing the victims of this abuse of power. The victims here are the site itself, the sellers who saw a category of their products become unsellable, and the buyers who now have to find a new place to shop.
If you believe in penalizing companies, then target the payment processors instead: close your PayPal and Payoneer accounts and return your bank cards. You can always use checks and bank transfers for payments!
When you pick a fight, you have to make sure you're targeting the right people if you want to succeed.
If you believe in penalizing companies, then target the payment processors instead: close your PayPal and Payoneer accounts and return your bank cards. You can always use checks and bank transfers for payments!
When you pick a fight, you have to make sure you're targeting the right people if you want to succeed.
Pushee-Ri
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Wed, Aug 19@calx86
Sorry, but I think the situation is a little different. I've pieced this together from various bits and pieces of information, so it may not necessarily reflect reality... but it fits remarkably well with the sequence of events of the purge:
First of all, an HRP provider has no say in the matter — all of this is governed by the contract that a provider or platform enters into with the HRP provider. In other words: an HRP provider CANNOT amend the contract within a 48-hour period. That would be illegal and would lead to a flood of lawsuits and claims for damages... even in the land of the Taliban 2.0. Amending a contract is a long-term process that must allow the provider or platform a transition period of several months to find a new HRP provider.
However, the situation is different if the provider or platform breaches the contract. An HRP contract is mandatory for the online sale of 3D products—but there are variations in these contracts that either allow NSFW content (which are usually more expensive) or do not. So if a provider or platform has entered into an HRP contract that only permits the standard trade in 3D products but prohibits—or at least does not cover—the trade in NSFW products, yet still offers NSFW products, this constitutes a breach of contract, and the HRP provider has every right to insist on compliance with the contract... even within a very short timeframe (24/48 hours).
Sorry, but I think the situation is a little different. I've pieced this together from various bits and pieces of information, so it may not necessarily reflect reality... but it fits remarkably well with the sequence of events of the purge:
First of all, an HRP provider has no say in the matter — all of this is governed by the contract that a provider or platform enters into with the HRP provider. In other words: an HRP provider CANNOT amend the contract within a 48-hour period. That would be illegal and would lead to a flood of lawsuits and claims for damages... even in the land of the Taliban 2.0. Amending a contract is a long-term process that must allow the provider or platform a transition period of several months to find a new HRP provider.
However, the situation is different if the provider or platform breaches the contract. An HRP contract is mandatory for the online sale of 3D products—but there are variations in these contracts that either allow NSFW content (which are usually more expensive) or do not. So if a provider or platform has entered into an HRP contract that only permits the standard trade in 3D products but prohibits—or at least does not cover—the trade in NSFW products, yet still offers NSFW products, this constitutes a breach of contract, and the HRP provider has every right to insist on compliance with the contract... even within a very short timeframe (24/48 hours).
So what are the real guidelines or are we at the whim of whoever is in admin because this vagueness is confusing and frustrating. I posted something cropped to hell showing ZERO genitalia and it was unceremoniously removed yet I'm seeing images with breasts and pussy out sitting there like normal. The *HINT* of 2 guys not even involved in intercourse is less safe than ...*gestures broadly* all of that because they don't have titts?
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guy91600
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Thu, Aug 20The question one might ask is: have the HPRs really defined precise rules to determine what constitutes an NSFW product?
As the saying goes: "When it's not clear, it's fuzzy, and when it's fuzzy, it's not clear"
As the saying goes: "When it's not clear, it's fuzzy, and when it's fuzzy, it's not clear"
MXXMSK
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Fri, Aug 21I think its clear that this was the easiest way for them to do what they wanted to do, we all had this conversation a while back and saw what happened and how they handled it, we saw their motives.
Most of my posts that featured single male nudity were removed and yet I see boobs and vagina made it and still thrive.
Its possible that they made and still make mistakes on deciding what goes and moderating the site but after what I have seen its easy to doubt.
I really love this site but I think our time would obviously be spent better elsewhere that has much more clear rules and guidelines that we can follow, with no agendas.
Most of my posts that featured single male nudity were removed and yet I see boobs and vagina made it and still thrive.
Its possible that they made and still make mistakes on deciding what goes and moderating the site but after what I have seen its easy to doubt.
I really love this site but I think our time would obviously be spent better elsewhere that has much more clear rules and guidelines that we can follow, with no agendas.
Easy solution: get rid of the payment processors and move to a better one. "You don't get our money anymore" is a message that gets through. People dig it.
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guy91600
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Mon, Aug 31Theory is all well and good, but putting it into practice takes time. I think RenderHub's management spends a good deal of time looking for a new payment processor with reasonable rates.
vertexbert
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Tue, Sep 01I bet. There's a mail provider you can send cash money and a note which account it is for by mail. Just saying, there are options.
guy91600
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Tue, Sep 01That’s correct, but there are also international clients from Europe, Africa, and Asia. Alternatives include international bank transfers or services like Western Union, though these often come with high transfer and exchange fees (for instance, my bank charges €30 per international transfer).
At the risk of sounding incredibly dumb, explain NSFW content?
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guy91600
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6 Hours agoNot safe For Work
"google is our best friend"
That’s what people used to say before the arrival of AI.
"google is our best friend"
That’s what people used to say before the arrival of AI.