Internet was never designed to be a safe place for children (CLOSED)

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What a great conspiracy theory! And I thought that flat earth was the most ridiculous thing I'd ever heard.
We need to come up with a name for this one. We can't use 'stupid', that's already taken.

How about reality? If you can't see it happening, you are seriously misinformed.

Well... I don't think he's misinformed if Social Media start asking for IDs under that sorry excuse because "EU imposes it".

yeah I was responding to bobb, not dareshiranu lol. Government making banks snitch that you took out or put too much money in your account to skirt the 4th is another easy example off the top of my head.

@death - Bobb is a degenerate boomer who can't think with logic. Ignore him.

This man gets it.

And yeah, even as an adult it's not safe cause you deal with people who choose not to listen and instead create an environment that is full of Toxic Postivity or Gatekeepting, that raises Stress and Anxiety.

And guess what is the LEADING CAUSE OF CANCER? STRESS!!!!

This is why many who choose to live UNPLUGGED don't even use the Internet much anymore, unless they have to. And imo, I don't blame them in the slightest.

If you don't learn how to function without the internet already, you won't make it through live period. The Internet was supposed to be nothing more than a Tool and a way to connect with people around the globe, not be your DAILY ROUTINE and LIFE?! *facepalm*

Is that you, Doro... or is Guy starting to talk to himself now? No problem—I do that, too

I think it's still too early for providers of SFW content to notice a drop in sales due to the NSFW purge. The first ones to really feel the impact will be the platform operators. And they've truly earned it

I remember an old advertising slogan for an English beer that I’m going to tweak slightly.
"TeamViewer is not good for us"

Well said. Bravo!

@sunkissed - Here is the thing. Even if RH got hit with Visa/Mastercard, did it not occur to some that maybe they want to be MORE PROFESSIONAL and that means MOVE AWAY from Adult Content and even probably AI?

NO it didn't. You all just get upset so DAMN EASILY cause many of you are ADDICTED to this content, like crack addicts. And addiction is a MENTAL ILLNESS!?

Do you see Artstation have any of this on their site? NO cause they are a PROFESSIONAL GRADE ART/CREATIVE SITE that is used by MANY Developers/Publishers, and even Movie Companies to HIRE with.

RH maybe trying to GET IN on that market and in order to do that, they have to MOVE away from this type of Content. They aren't saying you guys should or shouldn't do it, they are just trying to move to a probable BETTER MARKET to live on.

You all still have Patreon, Subscribestar, Renderotica, etc. Heck you can even DESIGN your own site. So stop acting like "ME ME ME" crap.

World don't revolve around you. ADAPT! And if you can't Adapt, then you are screwed...

That is what many are trying to say here and I agree with many now.

I believe that Meta is getting the crap sued out of them for just that. It's in the billions.

It's about time, they've been caught with their hand in the cookie jar too many times now. The whole business model of that corporation is to sell their users data, and now they are getting people to wear cameras on glasses to collect more for them even if you don't use their f***ing platforms.

"Meta's smart glasses transmit recorded video and audio to Meta's servers for AI processing and human review, and users cannot opt out of this data sharing."

So if you are walking down the street and some asshole wearing their glasses has their camera on you're in Meta's database.

Sue them until they bleed cash out of every orifice I say.

Good excuse to slap in the face anyone wearing glasses that look at my kids. hi hi hi "I thought it was meta glasses"

As someone who grew up in the 1980s in America, they didn't put action figures into cartoons... the cartoons were developed to sell the toy line. The toy lines were created and then the cartoons were produced to sell them and I am 100,000% okay with that. I got some of the toys but I was able to watch ALL of the cartoons for free. And don't even get me started on the Super Mario Brothers / Legend of Zelda cereal because it was great.

I grew up in the late 60's and early 70's watching Saturday morning cartoons that didn't sell anything, they where just fun!
Bugs and Elmer and the road runner and foghorn Leghorn and Daffy and everyone else. It's great that all those classics are available on StupidTube and various torrent sites.

I grew up without a TV, it was great, I was surrounded by books, toys, cars, electric trains, marbles, balloons. I wasn’t obese and I still am not

*chuckle*, I also had all those other distractions but Saturday mornings where sacred.
As far as weight goes? I'm 70 (years) and am heading out in a few minutes on my bicycle to do a 'century', that's 160 kms. I HAVE to ride a lot because my wife is such an amazing cook and my self control is slipping as I age.
See you all tonight.....if I survive.
......and no, it's not one of those cursed electric effing bikes either.

People don't really change. Not substantially. Technology changes. How people adapt and respond to those changes is perceived as people changing, but their underlying traits tend to remain static. What is changing is the societal contract. The abrogation of individual responsibility, toward a more collective one that either gives away the freedoms/rights/responsibilities that once were the purview of individuals, or family units and is given or taken by government or corporate entities.

You can consider this evolution if you want, but turning people into less independent and less skeptical versions of their predecessors doesn't sound like progress to me. Sounds a bit... Orwellian.

You change from the minute you are born to everyday on earth.
And what has your point to do with mine? Where does this make us less thinking? The only person who can make you less thinking are yourself.
Oh and by the way: a old saying is that you need a village to raise ONE child. This Earth is full of Humans and we all have a Role to play. Others more, others less. Nature is evolution. If Nature didnt want uns to go further we still would sit in a hole and fear fire.

"What is changing is the societal contract. The abrogation of individual responsibility, toward a more collective one that either gives away the freedoms/rights/responsibilities that once were the purview of individuals, or family units and is given or taken by government or corporate entities. "

Whether its government or corporate, this always leads to a concentration of power, either a dictatorship or a nobility (though, as we see in North Korea, dictatorships evolve into nobility if they last long enough). The billionaires/banks/payment processors are already a type of nobility and the socio-economic system becomes techno-fuedalism. Neo-nobility: what's old is new again.

Chef's kiss, Hellcat.

I have seen a whole lot of attacks on "the elite", the billionaires, the government, corporations, banks, etc. Yet, not one person is self aware enough to admit that these same things are the entire reason you even have the internet. The internet is nothing more than a toy and toys can be taken away if not played with responsibly by whatever entity provided them to you. It always makes me shake my head at the lack of self awareness of people complaining about the very entities that even allow them access to the internet. Who puts the satellites in the sky? Who produces the smart phones? Who produces the computers? Who governs the rules in each country that you must abide by on the internet? Never forget that the internet is a privilege to those who live in countries rich enough to even have it. In the end, a whole lot of the complaints come off as little more than temper tantrums from people who are more privileged than many across the world.

I pay for my toy. No one should be able to take it away. I on the other hand, take away my kids toys, and I don't expect the toymaker to do the taking away part. I paid for their toys.

I'm confused though, what is the point you were trying to make Zombie?

And I don't mean that to be confrontational, I truly can't make a connection.

I re-read it, and maybe I’ve got it, so I’ll trade you another analogy.

The farmer, with his hard work, feeds the cow, grows the vegetables, and so forth, for us to eat. I depend on him doing so, therefore I also work hard to earn money and trade it for all the hard work he does.

If he comes into my house to take away my food and my children’s food, he will meet with violence (the police, or us if there is no policing, etc, hypothetical) . The same should be expected if I attempt to take what he produces.

The cow, the lettuce, and everything else also require labor from others. This includes the tools he uses, the fertilizer, and so on and so forth. He shares the same kind of relationship with me as he does with his own providers for all of the above.

In a free market, if either of us in this exchange stops doing business, we can move on to another provider. However, when there is only one farmer and I am forbidden from farming, then there is a real problem.

I own a car, I paid for it.
That dosent mean I’m allowed to drive recklessly, or turn the music so loud I bother others.
Like Zombie said: you have responsibility and self awareness. If something new happens new rules will come to protect the many. And not once I read something that said: maybe I’m the problem? Renderhub has thousands of users- and the many thousands aren’t complaining in the slightest. It was a necessary step- for the site to still be online and provide your money. And all I read is: ‚I Pay for it‘, ‚I Own it‘, ‚it’s MY toy‘-
Not what is best for all just I and me.

@Kuraikya and Zombie - Two people that ACTUALLY UNDERSTAND the TRUTH!

Well done. And yes, I agree with Kurai, all you are seeing is Self Entitled, Red Headed Step Children, upset they aren't getting their way. Ever thought that the WORLD DON'T REVOVLE AROUND YOU?!

Yes it sucks, Visa/Mastercard got to RH, however, more than likely, they may want to make this site MORE PROFESSIONAL, which imo, nothing wrong with that.

I, in a way, applaud them for going a better route to get this site more on the radar for more Professional Grade Artists.

Don't like it? Well..there is always Renderotica for you Hobbyist Artists...LMFAO. COPE MORE!

Again, kudos to Kurai and Zombie for understanding the Truth here...

@dare - Yes what they are trying to do in a way, is to remove AUTONOMY from people around the globe. We are seeing it even with the 3D Printing Controversy ongoing right now as we speak. Saying things like "It's to stop illegal printing of Gun parts" when in fact, all it is, is more surveillance software being put onto 3D printers, cause companies like Games Workshop, Catalyst Game Labs, etc. are not liking that people are getting STL files the "HIGH SEAS" way and then printing them for profit and giving people ACTUAL QUALITY prints, unlike them still using blow molds.

This is all to stop people being UNPLUGGED and WORKING ON THEIR OWN and making A LIVING on their own. They want us only WORKING FOR THEM till the day we die, and all our money being spent going back to them, and not on us.

Overton window is coming back to bite every ONE of these Corpos in the ass. We are already seeing cracks get bigger in their control schemes. They know they are losing our "SILENT OBEDIENT CONSENT" cause no one is consenting to them spying on us like 1984...

QUOTE: "The internet is nothing more than a toy"

Just because you only use the internet to 'play' does not make it 'nothing more than a toy'. The tiny bubble you live in is not a rule.

@wolf - It's supposed to be a TOOL and a means of communicating and connecting with the rest of the world from afar, but it has turned into a "MENAGERIE OF IDEALS AND NARRATIVES" that it's now more like LIFE to many, and sad part is, many can't survive without it. Or CHOOSE NOT to survive without it. That is the Truth here....

@KuraiKya... I don't think you understood exactly what Zomby meant, unless you agree with the statement his meaning, perhaps, something got lost in translation. Also, I DoNT TALK, Li THAt... you are reading too much into what I said. What I was a response to Zomby's words, which I interpret like this:

"These elites, corporations, and governments built the internet (and all the hardware and rules around it), so our complaints are just ungrateful tantrums from privileged people who should be thankful instead."

It wasn't even remotely related to RenderHub.

Also, your analogy isn't, at least for me, in the context of that conversation. So, I'm not sure, other than an attempt to mock me as having a temper tantrum, what exactly you meant by that other than, the obvious: Don't use the internet to hack people, or done use it to pirate people's products, even if you pay for your internet or your computer.

That doesn't mean, that if I pay for my internet, I must bow down to my service provider, that is not how things work. The service provider better provide good service, or I'll take my business to another.

Still, none of this is about RenderHub, but about the implications of a mentality where the customer bows to the service or product seller.

*sigh*
I meant i agree with him on the part of- and i quote myself here- you have responsibility and self awareness.
Why would i mock you?
if you think i mock you because i repeted the "Me, myself and I" part -no. It was just an observation.
Than cut off your internet and stop complaing that you cant controll it? Or become a the NATO Cyberadminstator?
All i hear all the time in this blog is: I dont want to- than change something. Go away from Renderhub, start your own website, our own hosting, provide server, admis... And stop complaing about something you arent willing to change yourself.

But I haven't even mention Renderhub. Why are we getting out of context.

...And I'm still unsure what you mean.

Why would anyone who pays for a service like the internet, not move to another provider if his provider requires you to bow down and take it, increasing your price or I don't know, making your service lagging etc? Why would anyone in that situation want to become a (and I quote) "NATO Cyberadministrator"? Or be cut off from the internet? He'd simply go with another provider.

Also, I'm not offended about your mock, because I know I wasn't throwing a tantrum, but just so you understand what I reference, from your words, they were these: "And all I read is: ‚I Pay for it‘, ‚I Own it‘, ‚it’s MY toy‘-"

That’s what you call exaggerating a statement to highlight its absurdity. Nothing more, nothing less.
And I was speaking in general terms; whether it’s the internet provider, Renderhub as a standalone website, or simply being dissatisfied with the system as a whole:
talk less, do more.

And with that, I’m now closing this topic for myself.

Hope that helps and take care.

"I pay for it, I own it, it's my toy" can't be, nor would ever be, an absurd statement. It's literally how it works. Absurdity is implying the contrary.

But okay, have a great weekend.

If you are in a rural area there often is only one Internet Provider, usually wireless. Cable is not an option, and your TV is usually satellite, not much choice there either.

I've been there, the service is either take it or leave it, connections are spotty, and yes, they do go down for the weekend.

You can't switch to another provider, there aren't any. All you can do is move to a less rural area. Which is what I ended up doing.

That was my situation, actually, diogenese19348. It changed with starlink, thank goodness, a little more expensive but faster. However, even when we had just one provider, they weren't tyrannical and understood market dynamics. We actually kept them both for a little over a year, even though we only used starlink. If they improve their speed, we would come back to them.

Then you had a decent one to start with. Mine was too originally, then got bought out by somebody else who pretty much immediately degraded the service while raising the price... because they could. Starlink wasn't in the area then, it was around 6 years ago. Hughes Net was, but it was really expensive, you needed to install a satellite dish and the data cap was incredibly small.

Which is essentially what tends to happen when a company has a monopolistic grip on the marketplace. Capitalism isn't efficient, free markets are.

I agree 100%.

@lux - What kurai is trying to say is, is that YOU DON'T OWN RENDERHUB?! This is what he's trying to get through to many of you. YOU DON'T own it. You may pay for an ISP, but that has nothing to with Renderhub.

And yeah, the internet is becoming a cesspit for not just Kids, but for HUMAN BEINGS as a whole. Many who are awake to what is going on, don't even use Internet much anymore, that is the thing.

And he's right, you DON'T own the Internet either. You are just USING it by paying for a Service, but that Service can be EASILY taken away, just like "A TOY"...

Zombie was correct and so was Kurai. Stop convaluting shit together cause that is why many are tired of discussing things in here as well, cause some of you don't want to talk with Logic, and only with your emotions... I don't blame Kurai for being done with dealing with this Thread.

You don't need to yell and shout, @Beast, to have a conversation, or debate.

Did you read through, or, did you just skimmed?

I can clearly read myself explicitly explaining, my response to the premise of Zombi's words.

I clearly read myself explaining, it has nothing to do with Renderhub.

Perhaps take a break, and come back once you feel better. You read upset.

Having said that, I reject the premise of everything you have said. That is a tyrannical view of how markets should work in a world where the consumer has no value.

I know a little about that kind of world. Venezuela, Cuba, and Nicaragua are that kind of world. It is that “you will own nothing and you will like itkind of mentality, whether it is imposed by a government or by a few with a monopoly.

Like I said, this has zero to do with Renderhub.

If you want to talk about the context of this thread started by @Dorothea, we can do so.

I have stated my stance on it, which basically hands the responsibility to the parents (if not here, elsewhere in this same forum).

I’m a mom. When porn was here, my kids browsed this site with me safely, with me by their side. I have forbidden them from coming to the forums.

I have no social media, and they have none either, period. They can wear what I buy for them, but they can’t buy their own clothes. They are my responsibility, and my husband is worse than me.

I don’t watch porn, and my husband doesn’t watch porn either (not that we didn’t when we were younger).

Having said that, I have stated that I am against censoring. I think personal choice matters. Individual choice, not top-down directives.

I have praised the filters on this forum, they work wonderfully before the ban, so much so it felt right to let my kids help me pick clothes for my characters, and role play what I would say (translated from spanish), whenever I'd post a render/scene (yes, some of the descriptions I made, weren't made by me).

@Gohan

"And yeah, the internet is becoming a cesspit for not just Kids, but for HUMAN BEINGS as a whole. Many who are awake to what is going on, don't even use Internet much anymore, that is the thing."

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Censorship does not stop people from doing bad things. People did bad things long before there was an internet. In fact, censorship INCREASES the chances of people going out and hurting others. There are numerous studies proving incidents of sexual crimes dropped after pornography became legal.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/all-about-sex/201601/evidence-mounts-more-porn-less-sexual-assault

Going further, Erotic art harms nobody because no real person is depicted in the art, yet erotic art is what the corpos and governments are censoring first (as we see with the censorship of adult games, anime, and now art assets).

If you don't want your children to see it, that's your responsibility as a parent as @Luxe Muse pointed out numerous times.

The point I was making is that there is a whole lot of finger pointing and blaming going on here. The ranting and raving is not going to change anything. It is what it is. Accept it and adapt or move on to other things. And believe me when I say that my wishlist for this site just shrank by 90%. Am I throwing a fit? No. It sucks but if this is what has to happen for this business to continue on, then they made the right choice.

No one has taken anything away from you if you already bought it, they just said you can no longer purchase it here. People love to throw the "Art" term around as if its a shield for kinks. As a life long gooner, don't even try to gaslight me and say that its for any other purpose.

As for the people who create the items that we all buy here that were affected by this decision (the vast majority I have purchased from), the can continue to make new products but they will have to be more selective about what they create and how they promote it. I do have to say that the adult only section was starting to get flooded daily by a whole lot of slop and it wasn't just simple "erotic" items. It really was starting to feel like there was no one approving what was allowed on the site anymore. I have yet to read anything from Ion or whoever that specifically stated what caused the issue and a whole lot of people are running with it and making up whatever they think is happening.

Anyone remember what ND3D was selling? How about Guhzcoituz? Specific creators have been removed for various reasons over the past few years. This purge could have been a blanket purge so that moving forward each item gets a bit more scrutiny before being allowed on the site. A smart business will aggressively and proactively limit their liabilities. I think Renderhub took its hand off the wheel a bit too much and now they have to course correct.

@Zombie - Amen.

@Luxe - I'm not arguging with you anymore. In fact. I'm done with this thread after this reply, just like Kurai.

You choose not to acccept the facts in front of you, and remain closeminded and think it's a "ME ME ME" situation. Again, the world don't revolve around you. Stop being Narcissistic. I'm done.

This site now has a half life on it now and I doublt anyone cares if this site floats or sin ks now. Especially with all the crap they have been selling that shouldn't be sold in the first place...

@hellcat - Tell that to the ones that use it like it's their "BOY WHO CRIED WOLF" go to buzzword...

Why are you still here? You've been banned twice already, give it up and go away.

@Bobb - Keep getting triggered over facts, Zio Boomer. And this is how dumb you are. I never got banned, I DELETED my accounts. I ASKED for them to be deleted...and I should again cause this place is a CESSPIT of Zombified Golems.

I'm talking to one right now...

Have fun surviving into the Third and Final Phase of the world, Drone. Cabal molded you good.