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Sure you can spot obvious AI tells
here but go back and look at AI still images from 2020 compared to today
and extrapolate AI films/CG today out to 2030
Traditional Hollywood film production
will soon be over.
here but go back and look at AI still images from 2020 compared to today
and extrapolate AI films/CG today out to 2030
Traditional Hollywood film production
will soon be over.
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Imagine being a creator of anything and knowing ten or twenty years ago that a small group of smart people with zero passion for art made you obsolete. Anything you want to spend endless hours creating and perfecting, a machine can do in less than a millisecond with quantum computers. Even worse, imagine everything you think up being predicted and made before you can blink. AI will only help the ones who control it (own it), and that group will just shrink on its own as the gap between models keeps widening. Sorry to paint such a grim picture; it's just how I feel about the future.
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I fear your correct but the effects in this clip look very crude tbh, Ai is far from capable yet. Also Looking good is only one part of the process of story telling.
Traditional Hollywood film production was near it's end 25 years ago. Not only Beta SP and then digiBeta but the sony DVBK1 format and then mpeg compression made production much cheaper in camera and edit. Gorilla film making was becoming popular. Then we got youtube and anyone can start up a tiny low budget production and be successful. Long live the indy producer
The problem with Holywood is there's no originality left, how many star wars movies do we need or want? They regurgitate every successful movie into an everlasting franchise until it's unrecognizable from the original. The same faces the same stories, they should focus on supporting the next generation but they are too full of themselves to see the end is coming for bloated studio's. If Ai is part of the indy toolkit that's fine but I doubt it will become the main production tool. If it does then those producers will not learn anything and thus not develop into great film makers. Cheat at your homework and fail at the tests.
There will always be a place for the traditional, I still get asked for stop frame and Plasticine even though I turned all that down in the 90's. Wallace and Gromit no thanks I was blowing shit up back then with black powder. For myself animation was about special effects. Ai may well be capable of doing the effects but can It make a picky director happy?
Example.
Doing lighting for Sky sports. I put up a standard 3 point light rig. Then an extra soft diffused fill. It was my first job with that crew. The gaffer said the director will get grumpy if I put a fill in place now. He will ask for it later but to rig it before he asks will piss him off. Mainstream directors are like this, they are mostly narcissist lol you can't please them no matter what you do. Ai will wind them up and they will hire an animator to solve there ego problem
When you get into high end production budget is not an issue, getting the shot is the only thing that matters and many directors will not touch AI
Indeed much will be AI generated and pushed on us to further the narrative, but the real test is if people want to pay for AI or not. I won't and will do my best to support the artist.
Traditional Hollywood film production was near it's end 25 years ago. Not only Beta SP and then digiBeta but the sony DVBK1 format and then mpeg compression made production much cheaper in camera and edit. Gorilla film making was becoming popular. Then we got youtube and anyone can start up a tiny low budget production and be successful. Long live the indy producer
The problem with Holywood is there's no originality left, how many star wars movies do we need or want? They regurgitate every successful movie into an everlasting franchise until it's unrecognizable from the original. The same faces the same stories, they should focus on supporting the next generation but they are too full of themselves to see the end is coming for bloated studio's. If Ai is part of the indy toolkit that's fine but I doubt it will become the main production tool. If it does then those producers will not learn anything and thus not develop into great film makers. Cheat at your homework and fail at the tests.
There will always be a place for the traditional, I still get asked for stop frame and Plasticine even though I turned all that down in the 90's. Wallace and Gromit no thanks I was blowing shit up back then with black powder. For myself animation was about special effects. Ai may well be capable of doing the effects but can It make a picky director happy?
Example.
Doing lighting for Sky sports. I put up a standard 3 point light rig. Then an extra soft diffused fill. It was my first job with that crew. The gaffer said the director will get grumpy if I put a fill in place now. He will ask for it later but to rig it before he asks will piss him off. Mainstream directors are like this, they are mostly narcissist lol you can't please them no matter what you do. Ai will wind them up and they will hire an animator to solve there ego problem
When you get into high end production budget is not an issue, getting the shot is the only thing that matters and many directors will not touch AI
Indeed much will be AI generated and pushed on us to further the narrative, but the real test is if people want to pay for AI or not. I won't and will do my best to support the artist.
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https://venturebeat.com/ai/ai-video-gains-boost-from-prominent-filmmakers-james-cameron-andy-serkis/
It is a reductive mistake to assert that everyone who embraces AI is some unskilled ,no talent, passionless hack
unless you actually believe that the legendary and celebrated James Cameron fits that description.
Or even myself who was a professional
graphic designer for 19 years.
I leverage AI voices for my 2D/2D animation promotional work as well as for my 2D backgrounds
AI film making and VFX may be
primitive a bit longer for us regular people but I assure you when it becomes truly coherent enough for real world use in major releases, that pioneers ,like James Cameron, will have early access and be at the forefront showcasing it first.
And it wont be costing 600 million dollars and taking 6 years to create a movie.
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I think it's fair to say that A.I. will (severely) disrupt each of those industries, in so far as it will cause a lot of moving around. But to claim that traditional process will be finished off by A.I. is demonstrating that you don't understand how important traditional workflow is, and why it will never, ever disappear.
I can give you an example of how deluded you are quite easily. I'm a real person, I'm piss poor, yet I have a far superior movie making system to anything A.I. could ever offer me. It took me over a decade to get right, but I have a camera and lenses that were specifically chosen for their cinematic qualities. I have the best video and effects editing software known to mankind, and most of all, I know how to use all of it.
A.I. is not going to replace traditional process. All that will happen is that "A.I." produced movies will fall under A.I. in much the same way that "Animation" falls under animation, and "Live Action" falls under live action. As for famous directors using A.I ... lol ... well if famous directors want to lower themselves in such a manner, that's their business then isn't it.
Personally I'll be sticking to traditional process. The time will come when I finally get to use my gear to shoot my indies. Once made, they'll even be getting transferred to real film using a cinema-grade Film Recorder like the ARRILASER. See NOW you're talking, because what that means it that you get the best of both worlds. You get the convenience of shooting and editing in digital, the beauty and vibe of real analogue film, and most of all, it is ALL done using a traditional, human-produced process throughout!
So I'm sorry, my friend, but you really do live in a world of make-believe sometimes!
There is at least one very positive thing about all of this A.I. bullshit, that being that it will separate the men from the boys. The men get to shoot real movies while the boys get to type-in prompts. And remember, it's only a matter of time until it becomes a crime to release ANYTHING that uses A.I. and not state so.
I'll never need to state so, because I refuse point blank to use it!
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Anabran
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Sat, Feb 22Lol!!
I will trust Mr cameron’s Judgement
about the future of creative technology over “piss poorbrokies posting angry screeds with no samples of professional work, in any creative field, to show anyone.
But thanks for playing
I will trust Mr cameron’s Judgement
about the future of creative technology over “piss poorbrokies posting angry screeds with no samples of professional work, in any creative field, to show anyone.
But thanks for playing
COMIXIANT
Well, you know me, Anabran, I'm always up for some play when it comes to re-programming your infested mind. And you're certainly free to trust Mr.Cameron's judgement, but to be honest I'm more inclined to call him Mr.Camoron right now than Mr.Cameron if he really is dumb enough to lower himself like that!
The 'piss-poor' comment by the way was there to make you realise that no amount of theft will give you talent. Likewise, no amount of money will give you an edge over those with talent. By talent I mean those who actually know what they're doing and don't need their A.I. partner in crime to do it for them. Those.
You're right though, no "professional" work from me, well not yet anyway. Still, I'm more than capable. I was obsessed with video cameras from an early age, then got into professional Medium Format film cameras. The skills learned and developed during that analogue photography obsession have been with me ever since. Skills that help me in every render I make. Skills that transfer perfectly to the digital domain and the 3D viewport.
Anyway, I'll let you know when I've shot my first indie. There'll be none of that A.I. bullshit though, you know very well I won't use that crap. Now all I really gotta do is find a bunch of girls who like my cinema camera as much as I do, cause I've a feeling that shooting it is gonna be way more fun than typing-in prompts!
Haha - and you A.I. users thought YOU were smart!
LMFAO!!!
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Sat, Feb 22Well, you know me, Anabran, I'm always up for some play when it comes to re-programming your infested mind. And you're certainly free to trust Mr.Cameron's judgement, but to be honest I'm more inclined to call him Mr.Camoron right now than Mr.Cameron if he really is dumb enough to lower himself like that!
The 'piss-poor' comment by the way was there to make you realise that no amount of theft will give you talent. Likewise, no amount of money will give you an edge over those with talent. By talent I mean those who actually know what they're doing and don't need their A.I. partner in crime to do it for them. Those.
You're right though, no "professional" work from me, well not yet anyway. Still, I'm more than capable. I was obsessed with video cameras from an early age, then got into professional Medium Format film cameras. The skills learned and developed during that analogue photography obsession have been with me ever since. Skills that help me in every render I make. Skills that transfer perfectly to the digital domain and the 3D viewport.
Anyway, I'll let you know when I've shot my first indie. There'll be none of that A.I. bullshit though, you know very well I won't use that crap. Now all I really gotta do is find a bunch of girls who like my cinema camera as much as I do, cause I've a feeling that shooting it is gonna be way more fun than typing-in prompts!
Haha - and you A.I. users thought YOU were smart!
LMFAO!!!
Tenserknot
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Sat, Oct 04With all the ease that deep fakes can be generated now, take alot of these website announcements with a healthy dose of skepticism. James Cameron is alot older now and that picture on the website looks 15 years old. I think we have to be extra careful, on any claim a hype company is making these days.
We love in the age of half truths.
We love in the age of half truths.
"Piss poor brokies posting angry screeds with no samples of professional work, in any creative field, to show anyone."
I will share my C.V. and showreel with anyone "seriously" interested in hiring me. My Tech day rate is 450 pounds for a max of 12 hours, over the 12 hours I charge double rate. I have many licences and tickets such as telehandler , forklift and cherry picker. I have most of the modern electrical qualifications. as well as being a part time teacher up until 2020. Oh and Cat 5 fireworks display (explosives) but it's now out of date. To work on a film, game, or video as a director I expect a reasonable share of royalties along with the day rate.
Are you a "qualified" animator or not? I am a qualified animator, I worked freelance for special effects before becoming a director of my own productions. 29 years experience working in the entertainment business.
I lost my business after a divorce and started freelancing events but my daily work was often working on TV or film as an engineer. If I counted then my production credits would be in the thousands due to all the days driving around putting up lights or problem solving for other peoples productions.. Lets face it some time we are nothing more than glorified van drivers with some tech skills.
I'm currently not trading as I'm teaching my son animation and game development .
Would I use AI over a real actor? No, why? because I want to produce real emotion. I want the audience to be invested in my character and story rather than be a consumer of disposable entertainment.
why? Because art is all about the production within the medium.
A book may be on paper but so is a comic or newspaper. The medium determines how the audience interacts or consumes it. An original painting will hold it's value possibly become antique and more value is added.
Digital sadly is quite disposable. Weather it be a render or AI the chances of digital art or video being worth anything long term is unlikely. That said in the world of art a banana can be worth a fortune.
I had a production company with my two partners. Between us we had to do everything ourselves or pay freelancers. So we learnt production from every angle for the sake of saving money. I can honestly say that knowing every job from doing it will make you a better director / producer. Using Ai your not getting that experience.
Ai can be very useful for some tasks. Like creating smart frames in an animation sequence or procedural generation, scattering instances . combining it with traditional techniques in game engines is going to be essential for keeping budgets down and competing with the big studio's. I would limit my reliance on it The more you use it the more you will not learn for yourself.
James Cameron is 70, He made something like 2 billion from titanic.
He's part of the invested big studio structure and his best films are in the past. Not even Ai can make him relevant. He should retire and go play golf. Step aside old man and make some room for the next generation. Greedy old man now wants to ruin it for the next generation . No Mr Cameron, my boy is just starting out and age 16 he's already a great producer. Fcuk Ai
I will share my C.V. and showreel with anyone "seriously" interested in hiring me. My Tech day rate is 450 pounds for a max of 12 hours, over the 12 hours I charge double rate. I have many licences and tickets such as telehandler , forklift and cherry picker. I have most of the modern electrical qualifications. as well as being a part time teacher up until 2020. Oh and Cat 5 fireworks display (explosives) but it's now out of date. To work on a film, game, or video as a director I expect a reasonable share of royalties along with the day rate.
Are you a "qualified" animator or not? I am a qualified animator, I worked freelance for special effects before becoming a director of my own productions. 29 years experience working in the entertainment business.
I lost my business after a divorce and started freelancing events but my daily work was often working on TV or film as an engineer. If I counted then my production credits would be in the thousands due to all the days driving around putting up lights or problem solving for other peoples productions.. Lets face it some time we are nothing more than glorified van drivers with some tech skills.
I'm currently not trading as I'm teaching my son animation and game development .
Would I use AI over a real actor? No, why? because I want to produce real emotion. I want the audience to be invested in my character and story rather than be a consumer of disposable entertainment.
why? Because art is all about the production within the medium.
A book may be on paper but so is a comic or newspaper. The medium determines how the audience interacts or consumes it. An original painting will hold it's value possibly become antique and more value is added.
Digital sadly is quite disposable. Weather it be a render or AI the chances of digital art or video being worth anything long term is unlikely. That said in the world of art a banana can be worth a fortune.
I had a production company with my two partners. Between us we had to do everything ourselves or pay freelancers. So we learnt production from every angle for the sake of saving money. I can honestly say that knowing every job from doing it will make you a better director / producer. Using Ai your not getting that experience.
Ai can be very useful for some tasks. Like creating smart frames in an animation sequence or procedural generation, scattering instances . combining it with traditional techniques in game engines is going to be essential for keeping budgets down and competing with the big studio's. I would limit my reliance on it The more you use it the more you will not learn for yourself.
James Cameron is 70, He made something like 2 billion from titanic.
He's part of the invested big studio structure and his best films are in the past. Not even Ai can make him relevant. He should retire and go play golf. Step aside old man and make some room for the next generation. Greedy old man now wants to ruin it for the next generation . No Mr Cameron, my boy is just starting out and age 16 he's already a great producer. Fcuk Ai
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Anabran
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Sun, Feb 23“Ai can be very useful for some tasks. Like creating smart frames in an animation sequence or procedural generation, scattering instances . combining it with traditional techniques in game engines is going to be essential for keeping budgets down and competing with the big studio's. I would limit my reliance on it “
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Then count yourself amongst the rational people with obvious real
world experience.
Not a reactionary online zealot posting angry screeds and insults at anyone who dares to see any utility in a new technology tool for visual content creation.
We May disagree about to what extent
AI will be used in creating visual entertainment but when they soon sort out the very obvious artifacts in AI films/animation to the degree they have with still images
and it is driven by untold petabytes of training data about peoples viewing habits,
It wont have to produce “High Cinemabr>It just has to engage and feed the dopamine addiction of the modern day viewers who put on a Netfix show in the background while they scroll on tik tok.
I predict within 5 years people will be able to order bespoke AI films from Tech companies and see them instantly
bypassing the Hollywood distribution model entirely.
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Then count yourself amongst the rational people with obvious real
world experience.
Not a reactionary online zealot posting angry screeds and insults at anyone who dares to see any utility in a new technology tool for visual content creation.
We May disagree about to what extent
AI will be used in creating visual entertainment but when they soon sort out the very obvious artifacts in AI films/animation to the degree they have with still images
and it is driven by untold petabytes of training data about peoples viewing habits,
It wont have to produce “High Cinemabr>It just has to engage and feed the dopamine addiction of the modern day viewers who put on a Netfix show in the background while they scroll on tik tok.
I predict within 5 years people will be able to order bespoke AI films from Tech companies and see them instantly
bypassing the Hollywood distribution model entirely.
bonj
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Sun, Feb 23Art is all about the production within the medium.
Ai is not a medium I wish to use. It is not art, simple.
I will stick with being able to actually draw, paint, build.
Ai is not a medium I wish to use. It is not art, simple.
I will stick with being able to actually draw, paint, build.
COMIXIANT
Well said, bonj, and it sounds like your son has a great role model!
And I really have to point this out, because first of all he goes on the attack suggesting that lack of "professional" output from me has anything to do with my skill level (which it doesn't). He then has the nerve to call me a "Zealot", meanwhile he's the one enthusing about A.I. on an Anti-A.I. website!
To hazard a guess, I'd say it's an attempt to console himself about his poor ethics.
Either that, or he still hasn't forgiven me for what I said about Tech Witch!
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Sun, Feb 23Well said, bonj, and it sounds like your son has a great role model!
And I really have to point this out, because first of all he goes on the attack suggesting that lack of "professional" output from me has anything to do with my skill level (which it doesn't). He then has the nerve to call me a "Zealot", meanwhile he's the one enthusing about A.I. on an Anti-A.I. website!
To hazard a guess, I'd say it's an attempt to console himself about his poor ethics.
Either that, or he still hasn't forgiven me for what I said about Tech Witch!
COMIXIANT
FFF*** ... I Just wrote a huge reply, deleted it to correct a typo and only had a sentence copied before deleting it.
Not typing it all again, nevertheless, I reckon the only 'tick tock' you need to concern yourself with is that of the clock that counts down the time that you A.I. worshippers have left until they start knocking on your door, taking your assets in order to pay the huge legal fees you will inevitably find yourselves facing when the I.P. theft compensation schemes kick in.
Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock ...
- You stick to A.I. render fakery.
- I'll stick to real cameras and real glass.
- You stick to A.I. actor fakery.
- I'll stick to real actors.
- You stick to having stolen re-workings of stories written for you by A.I.
- I'll stick to writing my own, forged from my own human mind.
- You stick to A.I.
- I'll stick to traditional process.
Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock ... says the good, honest, precision analogue timepiece of actual value (just ask Rolex).
And just like the traditional analogue artist, the traditional analogue record and the traditional analogue film camera, they are all here to stay, they're going nowhere dude. The traditional analogue timepeice is going nowhere either, and all for the same reason.
And you can be absolutely sure that the analogue world and its good, honest, analogue tech will always be there for you, watching over you like the analogue master that it is, secretly laughing at you all while you dig your own graves at an exponentially increasing rate.
And when we finally enter the stage where the A.I. chaos imposed upon us is simply no longer tolerable and needs to be shut-down for the sake of humanity, master analogue will still be there for you, there to wipe your tears and say ... there there, my child, there there.
Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock ... says the analogue clock!
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Mon, Feb 24FFF*** ... I Just wrote a huge reply, deleted it to correct a typo and only had a sentence copied before deleting it.
Not typing it all again, nevertheless, I reckon the only 'tick tock' you need to concern yourself with is that of the clock that counts down the time that you A.I. worshippers have left until they start knocking on your door, taking your assets in order to pay the huge legal fees you will inevitably find yourselves facing when the I.P. theft compensation schemes kick in.
Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock ...
- You stick to A.I. render fakery.
- I'll stick to real cameras and real glass.
- You stick to A.I. actor fakery.
- I'll stick to real actors.
- You stick to having stolen re-workings of stories written for you by A.I.
- I'll stick to writing my own, forged from my own human mind.
- You stick to A.I.
- I'll stick to traditional process.
Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock ... says the good, honest, precision analogue timepiece of actual value (just ask Rolex).
And just like the traditional analogue artist, the traditional analogue record and the traditional analogue film camera, they are all here to stay, they're going nowhere dude. The traditional analogue timepeice is going nowhere either, and all for the same reason.
And you can be absolutely sure that the analogue world and its good, honest, analogue tech will always be there for you, watching over you like the analogue master that it is, secretly laughing at you all while you dig your own graves at an exponentially increasing rate.
And when we finally enter the stage where the A.I. chaos imposed upon us is simply no longer tolerable and needs to be shut-down for the sake of humanity, master analogue will still be there for you, there to wipe your tears and say ... there there, my child, there there.
Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock ... says the analogue clock!
Anabran
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Mon, Feb 24This site forum software is utter garbage indeed
post a link to your analogue photography work even non paid hobby stuff.
Or your comic/graphic novel where you used Affinity to manually create the panels and clip studio paint for the art.
You post such hysterical, emotional
dross from an ideological theoretical
little drama box.
I admit AI is a threat to actual creative people because it has destroyed scarcity in the market.
Relax bro you are NOT them.
post a link to your analogue photography work even non paid hobby stuff.
Or your comic/graphic novel where you used Affinity to manually create the panels and clip studio paint for the art.
You post such hysterical, emotional
dross from an ideological theoretical
little drama box.
I admit AI is a threat to actual creative people because it has destroyed scarcity in the market.
Relax bro you are NOT them.
COMIXIANT
Anabran, there's not a single artistic skill I've seen from you that is anywhere above average (and that's been generous), so I hardly think you're in a position to be insulting me. And unless you are REALLY intent on embarrassing yourself even further, then I strongly suggest you stop calling-out Bonj's abilities.
I'm pleased that Bonj responded to you in the way that he did and you're getting exactly the same treatment from me.
There's plenty of stuff I could show from years past, Meduim Format photography for example, but since I'm not here to appease you, I won't be breaking a habit of a lifetime by doing so. I was never into it with "professional" intent, it was always just a hobby to me. But just because a person doesn't pursue something "professionally", that doesn't mean they don't possess (or excell) the skills needed to do so.
To me, the term "professional" means absolutely fuck all anyway. The term is thrown around so often that it's become completely and utterly meaningless these days. But as I said, you're more than welcome to pick-up a copy of any Indie that I produce if you want to see something from me that was produced with "professional" intent.
Fact is you just proved (yet again) that you have no interest other than enthusing about society-damaging tech, while insulting people's intelligence and their artistic abilities. Abilities that you really have no clue about. I mean, what did I ever post on here that was so bad that you feel the need to keep insulting my skills?
It's not "emotion" you're getting from me, it's just passion and a zero-tolerance policy to bullshit!
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Mon, Feb 24Anabran, there's not a single artistic skill I've seen from you that is anywhere above average (and that's been generous), so I hardly think you're in a position to be insulting me. And unless you are REALLY intent on embarrassing yourself even further, then I strongly suggest you stop calling-out Bonj's abilities.
I'm pleased that Bonj responded to you in the way that he did and you're getting exactly the same treatment from me.
There's plenty of stuff I could show from years past, Meduim Format photography for example, but since I'm not here to appease you, I won't be breaking a habit of a lifetime by doing so. I was never into it with "professional" intent, it was always just a hobby to me. But just because a person doesn't pursue something "professionally", that doesn't mean they don't possess (or excell) the skills needed to do so.
To me, the term "professional" means absolutely fuck all anyway. The term is thrown around so often that it's become completely and utterly meaningless these days. But as I said, you're more than welcome to pick-up a copy of any Indie that I produce if you want to see something from me that was produced with "professional" intent.
Fact is you just proved (yet again) that you have no interest other than enthusing about society-damaging tech, while insulting people's intelligence and their artistic abilities. Abilities that you really have no clue about. I mean, what did I ever post on here that was so bad that you feel the need to keep insulting my skills?
It's not "emotion" you're getting from me, it's just passion and a zero-tolerance policy to bullshit!
COMIXIANTMon, Feb 24
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Sure ... why not ... here's a link you might want to check out:
Good News for A.I. Worshippers
Tick Tock Tick Tock Tick Tock ...
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Take note of this companies slogan. Making it real since 1983. REAL WORLD MODELS they will never use Ai
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Anabran you asked for our opinion by posting this thread. Why are you being so rude when we give it?
On your profile you say "Freelance animator with over 20 years of experience"
You sir are a Liar.
On your profile you say "Freelance animator with over 20 years of experience"
You sir are a Liar.
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Started selling Bepsoke animation for poser figures in 1999 (long since left)
My IMDB film credit for on screen skateboard simulation of video game animation in this funded indie film
Client: Blue Lama studios
https://www.imdb.com/name/nm4134490/
Feature Article on major Blender website about my old modeling and animation pipeline
https://www.blendernation.com/2020/04/29/behind-the-scenes-sci-fi-armor/
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Bonji
Rude?? who posted this:
I can give you an example of how deluded you are quite easily.
and this?
To hazard a guess, I'd say it's an attempt to console himself about his poor ethics.
Rude?? who posted this:
I can give you an example of how deluded you are quite easily.
and this?
To hazard a guess, I'd say it's an attempt to console himself about his poor ethics.
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2012 by my counting that makes 12years.
I see a credit but no samples of your animation. One animation in 12 years so I would assume you have a copy of it available to see?
COMIXIANT makes a valid point. Not everyone will use AI . Traditional formats will still be king.
If your so sold on all the AI propaganda then use it yourself.
Did you intend to start a row over AI taking our jobs, hobbies and interests away if so your heading in the right direction. It's pointless, we disagree.
To continue this slightly heated discussion further is complex given our current problems in the world. I find myself holding back due to the politics involved.
It's not a subject I wish to discus openly due to this. I strongly recommend doing some reading on AI and especially it's limitations. If you wish to have your show-reel on the AI format good luck.
My first pro job, wish I could get a better version. The engine is a wooden model. I only did the unpainted lettering.
I see a credit but no samples of your animation. One animation in 12 years so I would assume you have a copy of it available to see?
COMIXIANT makes a valid point. Not everyone will use AI . Traditional formats will still be king.
If your so sold on all the AI propaganda then use it yourself.
Did you intend to start a row over AI taking our jobs, hobbies and interests away if so your heading in the right direction. It's pointless, we disagree.
To continue this slightly heated discussion further is complex given our current problems in the world. I find myself holding back due to the politics involved.
It's not a subject I wish to discus openly due to this. I strongly recommend doing some reading on AI and especially it's limitations. If you wish to have your show-reel on the AI format good luck.
My first pro job, wish I could get a better version. The engine is a wooden model. I only did the unpainted lettering.
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I'm not sure that "replace" is the word. Change is more likely. AI will be able to do a lot of things, but humans do like to come up with specific concepts a lot of times, and are often quite nitpicky. So when it comes to making a model or artwork that looks a 100% like what you want, "manual" creation would be quicker and easier - if you have the skill that is. The way AI is now, it makes a lot of decisions for you. A lot of them are happy accidents and I don't think every creator likes that part. It certainly doesn't work well for everything.
I don't fancy the change in the industry either, but the Pandora's box is open so - can't undo that. My main plan for the future is to pay attention to it and adjust accordingly. It's either that or fade into obscurity, I'm afraid. There might be some positive changes to be honest. While the big corps will lay off a lot of employees, the small developers could end up undertaking bigger projects with smaller budgets and actually compete where they couldn't before. So guess time will tell.
I don't fancy the change in the industry either, but the Pandora's box is open so - can't undo that. My main plan for the future is to pay attention to it and adjust accordingly. It's either that or fade into obscurity, I'm afraid. There might be some positive changes to be honest. While the big corps will lay off a lot of employees, the small developers could end up undertaking bigger projects with smaller budgets and actually compete where they couldn't before. So guess time will tell.
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indeed
3d asset creation and AI voice acting will help smaller teams and individuals be more competitive.
indeed
3d asset creation and AI voice acting will help smaller teams and individuals be more competitive.
undeadcrabb
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Tue, Feb 25That may create more job openings in the industry. Because when a studio is as small as 5 people being able to afford even 2 more people changes everything. I don't think it's reasonable to look at the AAA studios and worry about AI out competing you there because there's a 99% chance you wouldn't be hired by them anyway. Small studios look for new talents, big ones want the established ones. So small studios succeeding imho is way more important for us as artists. I don't think AI should or will ever make everything. The industry will still need skilled 3d/2d artists. Even just to edit the AI generated content you need to know how to do it and be able to recognize the flaws. And even without generated errors, nitpicking will happen. People will want to "fix" generated content to resemble exactly what they want. That does need skill and more than just the basics.
One animation in 12 years so I would assume you have a copy of it available to see?
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Wrong ONE IMDB film credited animation
Client requested me to emulate jerky Low FPS video game mechanics
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Wrong ONE IMDB film credited animation
Client requested me to emulate jerky Low FPS video game mechanics
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Another one of the older poser jobs from 15 years ago
Client was a New York film student
needing a fake video call with an automated computer system to playback onscreen for her live film sci fi film
she provide voice audio
I did the rest.
Client was a New York film student
needing a fake video call with an automated computer system to playback onscreen for her live film sci fi film
she provide voice audio
I did the rest.
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Oh my F*CKING god, that's the second reply I lost today and I ain't re-typing it!
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And by the way, Anabran, those comments were made because for reasons still unknown to me, you keep attacking my skills and insulting me!
All I've posted on here are test renders of figures I'm messing around with. And frankly, I don't think those test renders are any less in quality in their unfinished state, than the work you keep showing us in their completed state. They're just test renders, so at this point I'm honestly starting to think you're taking the piss!
Listen bro, if you're looking to join the highly obsessive and dedicated team of trolls I have following me all over the web, then you'd better get in line because there's quite a queue now. At first I used to think it might be my aftershave, but changing it hasn't made a difference, the trolls still come!
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No argument, traditional Hollywood "film" production will change or evolve. My opinion is that the generative stuff has its limits and special versions will be needed to mimic those Hollywood "films".
Most, if not all, generative "AI" is based on machine learning which is a problem. Nothing original, just samples of what has been. The more samples the better the outcome.. in my mind that means generic or common, it also leads to "close enough". Cross the line into concepts the machine neither has samples or cannot derive from given samples and things break down.. long winded way of saying rehashes of cliche tropes are fine, breaking new ground requires something more. I think the evolution hits with custom training material for distribution level films. That allows for new ideas (a novel action sequences as an example) and would have to be created or curated by someone. Tooling to add consistency throughout the movie would be needed too. In general, fewer artists and more databases, software, and administrators.
On Cameron, his effects company extracted tonnes of data during "Battle Angel Alita", the general thought is that it would be used in the sequel. I'm looking forward to seeing what form of digital, "AI", or just plain wizardry they produce with it. There might be enough to skin the original actress so she appears to not have aged at all.. or to skin any actress for that matter. I hope we get to find out.
Most, if not all, generative "AI" is based on machine learning which is a problem. Nothing original, just samples of what has been. The more samples the better the outcome.. in my mind that means generic or common, it also leads to "close enough". Cross the line into concepts the machine neither has samples or cannot derive from given samples and things break down.. long winded way of saying rehashes of cliche tropes are fine, breaking new ground requires something more. I think the evolution hits with custom training material for distribution level films. That allows for new ideas (a novel action sequences as an example) and would have to be created or curated by someone. Tooling to add consistency throughout the movie would be needed too. In general, fewer artists and more databases, software, and administrators.
On Cameron, his effects company extracted tonnes of data during "Battle Angel Alita", the general thought is that it would be used in the sequel. I'm looking forward to seeing what form of digital, "AI", or just plain wizardry they produce with it. There might be enough to skin the original actress so she appears to not have aged at all.. or to skin any actress for that matter. I hope we get to find out.
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It's not evolution though, it's devolution.
Take the devoluition of ads for example, just look at the shit we have to tolerate these days? I don't think I've seen a decent ad for over a decade now. Then just as I though standards had hit rock bottom, A.I. came along making that garbage look like works of art!
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Wed, Feb 26It's not evolution though, it's devolution.
Take the devoluition of ads for example, just look at the shit we have to tolerate these days? I don't think I've seen a decent ad for over a decade now. Then just as I though standards had hit rock bottom, A.I. came along making that garbage look like works of art!
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Thanks for the support Bonj, but I've been putting up with this shit for decades and it's going to stop.
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Thu, Feb 27It's not renderhub they can only respond to a complaint or report. . We are lucky to have an open forum that is not overly strict and mothered.
As the above video mentioned both your user name and lifted your comment to be used as a script I reported it. It's obviously a personal attack using your name.
Now it has been reported renderhub can take action. They can only respond if we report things and I have confidence they will realize and act accordingly.
As the above video mentioned both your user name and lifted your comment to be used as a script I reported it. It's obviously a personal attack using your name.
Now it has been reported renderhub can take action. They can only respond if we report things and I have confidence they will realize and act accordingly.
COMIXIANT
He's posted another in here since then, another one that also uses my username. And unfortunately, much as I hate to say it, the problem is indeed RenderHub since they should investigate matters throughly before threatening to close people's accounts.
Incompetent clowns.
The post-tagging troll is still at it even during the carnage, which should tell anyone that they're either based in a lawless country and think they can do as they like. It shouild also tell you that RenderHub are, in effect complicit, since they must know who is tagging the posts otherwise they would not know who to respond to when they need to.
What I do know is that online harrassment is a crime and comes with a prison sentence, and trust me, either RenderHub will deal with them accordingly or I'll find out who this antagonising, harrassing, post-tagging bastard is via subpoena.
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Thu, Feb 27He's posted another in here since then, another one that also uses my username. And unfortunately, much as I hate to say it, the problem is indeed RenderHub since they should investigate matters throughly before threatening to close people's accounts.
Incompetent clowns.
The post-tagging troll is still at it even during the carnage, which should tell anyone that they're either based in a lawless country and think they can do as they like. It shouild also tell you that RenderHub are, in effect complicit, since they must know who is tagging the posts otherwise they would not know who to respond to when they need to.
What I do know is that online harrassment is a crime and comes with a prison sentence, and trust me, either RenderHub will deal with them accordingly or I'll find out who this antagonising, harrassing, post-tagging bastard is via subpoena.
Did you know to animate something is to bring it to life. When I saw your "animation" I nearly spat my coffee out with laughter. what skate game did you mod to fake an animation? Sorry I mean what animation software did you use?
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Smith Micro Poser 6 back then
No Ik foot contact system
or multi channel graph editor
horrible dope sheet
a very painful animating experience to be sure.
Did you add yourself to the IMDB?
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see a snippet of the in film final animation
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Smith Micro Poser 6 back then
No Ik foot contact system
or multi channel graph editor
horrible dope sheet
a very painful animating experience to be sure.
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No the client Did
see a snippet of the in film final animation
at 1:10
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"Can you delete this entire thread. I think it's got a little lost."
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Not lost...just hijacked by your impotent personal attacks.
You could have just ignored the thread when you saw it was about AI.
why are you here at all??
BTW the mods have already
viewed and culled posts from this thread today and sent out warnings.
Try their patience at your own peril.
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Not lost...just hijacked by your impotent personal attacks.
You could have just ignored the thread when you saw it was about AI.
why are you here at all??
BTW the mods have already
viewed and culled posts from this thread today and sent out warnings.
Try their patience at your own peril.
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Oh and you think your antagonistic, harrassing, A.I. troll videos using MY username should be allowed to remain while my perfectly undertandable responses to them get removed, and I get threatened with account closure?
What are you, completely fucking backward or something?
As for pushing THEIR patience at OUR peril, lol, I'd say the only PATIENCE being pushed here is mine, and the only thing in PERIL is the future of this company. Now fuck-off you distructive troll. Perhaps RenderHub will find a way to thank you and the post tagger for the mess you helped to put them in, but either way, NO ONE treats and threatens me like that and gets away with it - NO ONE.
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Thu, Feb 27Oh and you think your antagonistic, harrassing, A.I. troll videos using MY username should be allowed to remain while my perfectly undertandable responses to them get removed, and I get threatened with account closure?
What are you, completely fucking backward or something?
As for pushing THEIR patience at OUR peril, lol, I'd say the only PATIENCE being pushed here is mine, and the only thing in PERIL is the future of this company. Now fuck-off you distructive troll. Perhaps RenderHub will find a way to thank you and the post tagger for the mess you helped to put them in, but either way, NO ONE treats and threatens me like that and gets away with it - NO ONE.
Wow Just realized I still have that old Character file from that old poser animation
ahh.. the bad old days
but it payed the bills
Poser is dead
I have Long since moved on to Blender and Maya
ahh.. the bad old days
but it payed the bills
Poser is dead
I have Long since moved on to Blender and Maya
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"Have you ever heard of lip sync?"
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such as this video based facial mocap addon for Blender
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I have several methods of lipsinc that I employ in my 3D animation work.
such as this video based facial mocap addon for Blender
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To quote you on another thread.
"In this case the AI is now performing that one task that Daz studio users cling to so they can claim they are creating their art
your Daz catalogue is fill with prefabbed models you did not create, texture or rig.
even poses(body & face ) or animations you did not keyframe.
sometimes not even Light parameters you did not dial in.
The typical Daz studio user is effectively a glorified 3D scene assembly technician as it is.
If that task is handed over to AI as well, then what is the point of even hoarding a Daz content catalogue."
Why are you on this site? You promote AI and are offensive to both daz users and content creators. I tried to be polite with my first response but this thread has deteriorated to the point of you making personal attacks on other users including posting user names on other sites. You literally lifted a response to your post to make an ai video insulting that user.
It is supposed to be a friendly community man. Let it go will ya. Stop promoting and posting ai rubbish.
The Daz figures look plastic and lifeless compared to most of the photorealistic AI images
you see coming out of midjourney AI these days.
"In this case the AI is now performing that one task that Daz studio users cling to so they can claim they are creating their art
your Daz catalogue is fill with prefabbed models you did not create, texture or rig.
even poses(body & face ) or animations you did not keyframe.
sometimes not even Light parameters you did not dial in.
The typical Daz studio user is effectively a glorified 3D scene assembly technician as it is.
If that task is handed over to AI as well, then what is the point of even hoarding a Daz content catalogue."
Why are you on this site? You promote AI and are offensive to both daz users and content creators. I tried to be polite with my first response but this thread has deteriorated to the point of you making personal attacks on other users including posting user names on other sites. You literally lifted a response to your post to make an ai video insulting that user.
It is supposed to be a friendly community man. Let it go will ya. Stop promoting and posting ai rubbish.
The Daz figures look plastic and lifeless compared to most of the photorealistic AI images
you see coming out of midjourney AI these days.
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"AI IS NOT WELCOME HERE"
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Because it has no soul right?
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Because it has no soul right?
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Fri, Feb 28More promoting AI dribble while insulting the real artist and developers.
I do not need AI or want it. Your argument is like a fart in the wind.
I do not need AI or want it. Your argument is like a fart in the wind.
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Wow, still at it I see, and just in case you're wondering, no, it wasn't me who 'reported' you.
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"I do not need AI or want it."
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So why participate in a thread about AI?
I have ZERO interest in making sexy robot renders/animations
thus I am completely ignoring that thread.
No one over there is telling me I need to make sexy robot renders
I feel no urgent need to troll and insult them on why I don't care to make sexy robot renders.
that is how rational adults tend to function
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/sexy-robot-contest-ii
Out of the 498 that have viewed this thread only two of you are here angrily trolling
No one is telling you people to want or need AI but you people cant help yourselves.
you come over here and then get so triggered and angry by the mere mention of it
are you masochists??
its frankly fascinating to witness.
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So why participate in a thread about AI?
I have ZERO interest in making sexy robot renders/animations
thus I am completely ignoring that thread.
No one over there is telling me I need to make sexy robot renders
I feel no urgent need to troll and insult them on why I don't care to make sexy robot renders.
that is how rational adults tend to function
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/sexy-robot-contest-ii
Out of the 498 that have viewed this thread only two of you are here angrily trolling
No one is telling you people to want or need AI but you people cant help yourselves.
you come over here and then get so triggered and angry by the mere mention of it
are you masochists??
its frankly fascinating to witness.
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Still illustration,
Movies even comics&
graphic novels
AI will soon dominate
Just got paid this morning
from my Graphic Novel sales on Amazon KDP
Movies even comics&
graphic novels
AI will soon dominate
Just got paid this morning
from my Graphic Novel sales on Amazon KDP
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So just to be clear, you title your A.I. thread suggesting that traditional process is over in five years. You do this on a 'No A.I. Allowed" website where the users are obviously going to favour traditional process.
And you then have the audacity to question Bonj and I as to whether WE are masochists?
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OK I see your mistake.
This is a no AI products sold in the marketplace website.
AI discussions are allowed
in the forums.
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/6800/daz-ai-studio-discussion
If AI discussions were not allowed do you think this thread would still be here with the mods deleting posts but leaving the thread here and removing the report tag people tried to on my pro AI video ,debunking. "AI has no soul" etc
use your brain.
This is a no AI products sold in the marketplace website.
AI discussions are allowed
in the forums.
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/6800/daz-ai-studio-discussion
If AI discussions were not allowed do you think this thread would still be here with the mods deleting posts but leaving the thread here and removing the report tag people tried to on my pro AI video ,debunking. "AI has no soul" etc
use your brain.
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Well not really, I mean for starters you forgot to mention that as well as having a "No A.I. in the Marketplace" policy, that RenderHub also has a "No A.I. in the Galleries" policy too, but you forgot to mention that, didn't you. You also forgot to mention that the competitons on RenderHub are so BLATANTLY Anti-A.I. that they require a viewport grab as proof of authenticity, and I say good for them and more power to them for upholding it!
So given all of the above, don't you think that maybe ... just maybe ... you're in the wrong place for promoting this souless A.I. garbage?
You're among people on here that possess skills that exceed the level required to type in a prompt ... so maybe ... just maybe ... use YOUR brain?
Oh wait ... NOW I see the problem ... silly me!
Yours Truly,
COMIXIANT
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I answered your thread initially with a polite and calm manner Because I have a 29yr investment. our opinions differ greatly and so does our experience or I would not have said anything.
Then you started being rude and demanding artist credits from another user, a new site user may I add. That's not very welcoming to a community and has nothing to do with your initial post regarding AI.
So I called you out for demanding to see his personal work and then I did call you a liar. You do not have 20 years experience as a professional animator. you have 12. Or would it be more accurate to say you worked on a film 12 years ago and have not worked on a film since. Would that be a correct statement?
If I offended you by saying your animation looks shit it's because it does. Sorry man but get a thicker skin. It does look very much like a skate game modded and I'm not convinced it isn't. You may have made a character in poser but I still don't see any proof the animated clip is not a game mod. Then you retort with an accusation I stole a model from skectchfab to resell here. Quite amusing tbh.
In all honesty It makes no difference to me. I have no emotions invested in this discussion only my opinion based on the experience I do have In the entertainment industries. I wish your AI video's were not allowed onsite, I thought we were a NOAI site so I find your video's offensive just as I did with rendo's artist of the month being AI
I will just take this last opportunity to point out the asylum fx showreel I posted above. They will not be using AI. There will still be an industry and any hype about AI will soon fade away as the funding and limits are reached. We saw the same with VR, it's at it's limits and needs new funding and developers.
I worked for Asylum, they will not go AI ever.
This thread seems like an ambush for anyone speaking up against Ai.
I don't think it makes a difference what I say you just want a fight. Ai interaction is not enough for you?
Next time you make a post be more prepared for people to not always agree with you.
I'm bored trying to discuss anything with you, it's completely pointless isn't it, like a toxic relationship. I will not bother interacting with you again.
Then you started being rude and demanding artist credits from another user, a new site user may I add. That's not very welcoming to a community and has nothing to do with your initial post regarding AI.
So I called you out for demanding to see his personal work and then I did call you a liar. You do not have 20 years experience as a professional animator. you have 12. Or would it be more accurate to say you worked on a film 12 years ago and have not worked on a film since. Would that be a correct statement?
If I offended you by saying your animation looks shit it's because it does. Sorry man but get a thicker skin. It does look very much like a skate game modded and I'm not convinced it isn't. You may have made a character in poser but I still don't see any proof the animated clip is not a game mod. Then you retort with an accusation I stole a model from skectchfab to resell here. Quite amusing tbh.
In all honesty It makes no difference to me. I have no emotions invested in this discussion only my opinion based on the experience I do have In the entertainment industries. I wish your AI video's were not allowed onsite, I thought we were a NOAI site so I find your video's offensive just as I did with rendo's artist of the month being AI
I will just take this last opportunity to point out the asylum fx showreel I posted above. They will not be using AI. There will still be an industry and any hype about AI will soon fade away as the funding and limits are reached. We saw the same with VR, it's at it's limits and needs new funding and developers.
I worked for Asylum, they will not go AI ever.
This thread seems like an ambush for anyone speaking up against Ai.
I don't think it makes a difference what I say you just want a fight. Ai interaction is not enough for you?
Next time you make a post be more prepared for people to not always agree with you.
I'm bored trying to discuss anything with you, it's completely pointless isn't it, like a toxic relationship. I will not bother interacting with you again.
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QUOTE:
"So I called you out for demanding to see his personal work ..."
I could sense why you did that and I appreciate it. And fact is Anabran has seen my test renders, so fact is he's seen 'personal work' of mine.
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Ahem, then why are you pointing to your left, Mr Happy Hands???
Basic education fail right there, so it all makes sense now!
Yours Truly,
COMIXIANT
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Fri, Feb 28Ahem, then why are you pointing to your left, Mr Happy Hands???
Basic education fail right there, so it all makes sense now!
Yours Truly,
COMIXIANT
COMIXIANT
Oh but I'm well aware of the difference between my right and your right, and knew I'd be met with this response in the morning.
You are (supposedly) showing Bonj and I to the door of your thread 'usherette' style with those hands and that demeanor, are you not?
In that case, this would suggest that Bonj and I are following directly behind you, being shown the door.
So where does the problem lie?
Well, some of us have a mind creative, fun and human enough to actually "put ourselves in the picture" when we see and read, while others are so sterile-minded that such human instinct never kicks in (ask any competent psychologist). Another aspect you failed on astuteness, since it should be perfectly clear to you that I know my right from your right.
Lack of astuteness and the lack of a creative mind are both key traits of those attracted to A.I.
Yours Truly,
COMIXIANT
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Sat, Mar 01Oh but I'm well aware of the difference between my right and your right, and knew I'd be met with this response in the morning.
You are (supposedly) showing Bonj and I to the door of your thread 'usherette' style with those hands and that demeanor, are you not?
In that case, this would suggest that Bonj and I are following directly behind you, being shown the door.
So where does the problem lie?
Well, some of us have a mind creative, fun and human enough to actually "put ourselves in the picture" when we see and read, while others are so sterile-minded that such human instinct never kicks in (ask any competent psychologist). Another aspect you failed on astuteness, since it should be perfectly clear to you that I know my right from your right.
Lack of astuteness and the lack of a creative mind are both key traits of those attracted to A.I.
Yours Truly,
COMIXIANT
COMIXIANT
Oh but I'm well aware of the difference between my right and your right, and knew I'd be met with this response in the morning.
You are (supposedly) showing Bonj and I to the door of your thread 'usherette' style with those hands and that demeanor, are you not?
In that case, this would suggest that Bonj and I are following directly behind you, being shown the door.
So where does the problem lie?
Well, some of us have a mind creative, fun and human enough to actually "put ourselves in the picture" when we see and read, while others are so sterile-minded that such human instinct never kicks in (ask any competent psychologist). Another aspect you failed on astuteness, since it should be perfectly clear to you that I know my right from your right.
Lack of astuteness and the lack of a creative mind are both key traits of those attracted to A.I.
Yours Truly,
COMIXIANT
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Sat, Mar 01Oh but I'm well aware of the difference between my right and your right, and knew I'd be met with this response in the morning.
You are (supposedly) showing Bonj and I to the door of your thread 'usherette' style with those hands and that demeanor, are you not?
In that case, this would suggest that Bonj and I are following directly behind you, being shown the door.
So where does the problem lie?
Well, some of us have a mind creative, fun and human enough to actually "put ourselves in the picture" when we see and read, while others are so sterile-minded that such human instinct never kicks in (ask any competent psychologist). Another aspect you failed on astuteness, since it should be perfectly clear to you that I know my right from your right.
Lack of astuteness and the lack of a creative mind are both key traits of those attracted to A.I.
Yours Truly,
COMIXIANT
Indeed.
And BTW ,excellent models on offer in your store 3Dxin, very high quality!!
QUALITY MODELS & PROPS
And BTW ,excellent models on offer in your store 3Dxin, very high quality!!
QUALITY MODELS & PROPS
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"You are (supposedly) showing Bonj and I to the door of your thread 'usherette' style with those hands and that demeanor, are you not?
In that case, this would suggest that Bonj and I are following directly behind you, being shown the door."
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Wrong!! I am not the one leaving MY OWN thread.
Bonji was.
Just like Albert is not leaving the room. the young black guy is.
Any actual artist with basic spatial awareness would not need this granular level of explanation.
But in your case…….
In that case, this would suggest that Bonj and I are following directly behind you, being shown the door."
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Wrong!! I am not the one leaving MY OWN thread.
Bonji was.
Just like Albert is not leaving the room. the young black guy is.
Any actual artist with basic spatial awareness would not need this granular level of explanation.
But in your case…….
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I love the HALO video game franchise/universe.
such a shame that Paramount+ fumbled such an great opportunity
with their failed TV series.
For obvious trademark reasons
you wont find much HALO UNSC officer
content in the Daz prefab market
so I had to take a shot a modeling my own officers uniform from reference images.
The officers base body mesh is from Iclone
The Spartans & Armor are Daz actually prefabs
ALL animated by me
All of the environments
( except the last one)
are modeled by me.
Depending on ONE content source
(Including AI only), will leave you
frustrated.
I Harvest from multiple sources (including AI) to get the results I want
such a shame that Paramount+ fumbled such an great opportunity
with their failed TV series.
For obvious trademark reasons
you wont find much HALO UNSC officer
content in the Daz prefab market
so I had to take a shot a modeling my own officers uniform from reference images.
The officers base body mesh is from Iclone
The Spartans & Armor are Daz actually prefabs
ALL animated by me
All of the environments
( except the last one)
are modeled by me.
Depending on ONE content source
(Including AI only), will leave you
frustrated.
I Harvest from multiple sources (including AI) to get the results I want
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COMIXIANT
Well I couldn't help but notice "Commander Quarnain" in the blender scene outliner there - lol!!!
I passed it on to Ballet Girl for you and ... sorry ... but she still ain't interested.
She's more interested in the fact that Bonj felt the need to pull his store on here today.
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Sat, Mar 01Well I couldn't help but notice "Commander Quarnain" in the blender scene outliner there - lol!!!
I passed it on to Ballet Girl for you and ... sorry ... but she still ain't interested.
She's more interested in the fact that Bonj felt the need to pull his store on here today.
An AI Generated Trailer of a Ghibli Studio animated version the Peter Jacksons Lord of the rings Film
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Mon, Mar 31I suspected there was a human hand involved.. 9 hours sounds like at least a hand.. maybe 4 fingers.. My current working theory is that AI can make "good enough"; but it takes a human to elevate it to good or better.
Anabran
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Mon, Mar 31In the end you have to know how to make editorial decisions
to put together the raw images/animations that AI spits out.
I am sure that 9 hours was very tedious work.
to put together the raw images/animations that AI spits out.
I am sure that 9 hours was very tedious work.
Speaking of 2D animation.
As fan of 2D animation ,as well as 3D,
I had high hopes that Lost Marble, the makers of one of my 2D animation softwares ,MOHO, would give us user more productivity tools including AI automation.
They recently announced they will not embrace the future
so I wont be embracing them any further after the current version 14
Glad that I also invested In Reallusion who has chosen to reaming competitive by embracing automation and AI as needed .
As fan of 2D animation ,as well as 3D,
I had high hopes that Lost Marble, the makers of one of my 2D animation softwares ,MOHO, would give us user more productivity tools including AI automation.
They recently announced they will not embrace the future
so I wont be embracing them any further after the current version 14
Glad that I also invested In Reallusion who has chosen to reaming competitive by embracing automation and AI as needed .
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Major series on Amazon Prime used AI animation for a full two minutes of an episode
so it looks like AI adoption in real productions are already underway in Hollywood
My "five year " prediction was too conservative it seems
so it looks like AI adoption in real productions are already underway in Hollywood
My "five year " prediction was too conservative it seems
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We are getting close
Faux Ad for KFC fully AI generated
Faux Ad for KFC fully AI generated
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kwerkx
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Mon, Mar 31That one points out another thought I've had about large "AI" projects.. continuity. Do the chicken sandwiches look the same across scenes (are all of those conceivably KFC products)? Fandoms will notice the details, especially with large projects like the topic of this post. Then there is appeal ... especially in advertising they'll want to present the ideal version of a thing.. the perfect chicken nugget.
I understand your point, suggesting evidence that big changes are coming. And agree that "AI" will impact these industries in a big way. My point is that "generative AI" creates "good enough" and it will take a human eye to make it "good" or "great". Given the budgets the industries you mentioned have, "good enough" will not do.
I understand your point, suggesting evidence that big changes are coming. And agree that "AI" will impact these industries in a big way. My point is that "generative AI" creates "good enough" and it will take a human eye to make it "good" or "great". Given the budgets the industries you mentioned have, "good enough" will not do.
But "good enough" will do for small groups and single individuals
without big budgets.
As it always has with traditional 3D/CG.
The big studios with the cash ( Like Amazon ) will get access to the top tier AI systems that us normies will never be able to afford.
But again that is pretty much the situation now accept that normies ,with low budgets, will be operating at a much higher productivity level with AI assistance.
so the age of elitist gatekeeping and excluding people
from access for having the wrong politics etc will be over.
without big budgets.
As it always has with traditional 3D/CG.
The big studios with the cash ( Like Amazon ) will get access to the top tier AI systems that us normies will never be able to afford.
But again that is pretty much the situation now accept that normies ,with low budgets, will be operating at a much higher productivity level with AI assistance.
so the age of elitist gatekeeping and excluding people
from access for having the wrong politics etc will be over.
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AI Generated song by suno.ai
2D animated puppet created & animated in Adobe Character animator.
Background slide show images from FluxAI
2D animated puppet created & animated in Adobe Character animator.
Background slide show images from FluxAI
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Looks like my guys over at Black Magic Design have
"Read the room."
Some amazing new AI productivity tools in Davinci Resolve 20.
"Read the room."
Some amazing new AI productivity tools in Davinci Resolve 20.
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Traditional methods of making comics & Graphics novels will have to change with the times as well
here are some of the unused images generated for my
92 page graphic novel now selling on Amazon & My Patreon
All were generated by restyling simple preview renders of my existing Daz & even some old Poser content, uploaded to the flux AI engine.
here are some of the unused images generated for my
92 page graphic novel now selling on Amazon & My Patreon
All were generated by restyling simple preview renders of my existing Daz & even some old Poser content, uploaded to the flux AI engine.
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AI absolutely helps provide an endless supply of mediocrity. Combine the Untalented with a "make art" button and we get tons of worthless drivel. Yes technically superior assemble pixels scraped from all that has come before, and yet no heart, no soul, and no story.
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kwerkx
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Sun, Apr 20"endless supply of mediocrity"
Yep. A flood of clickbait crap into the pools of "free" media (YouTube, Instagram, and galleries across the internet). Maybe the title of this thread should be "Free media has 5 years left". If everything gets flooded by an "endless supply of mediocrity" e.g. Generative and Procedural "AI", then search algorithms will exert more control over what is visible. In short, just add media to the "dead internet theory".
Yep. A flood of clickbait crap into the pools of "free" media (YouTube, Instagram, and galleries across the internet). Maybe the title of this thread should be "Free media has 5 years left". If everything gets flooded by an "endless supply of mediocrity" e.g. Generative and Procedural "AI", then search algorithms will exert more control over what is visible. In short, just add media to the "dead internet theory".
Quote: Maybe the title of this thread should be "Free media has 5 years left"
Youtube had degenerated into a cesspool of algorithm driven
click bait "slop" even before generative AI. (ie "Mr beast" etc)
AI has just made it easier for automated YT content farms to game the algorithm ata much faster rate.
" Free media " will continue to exist beyond five years because the new lack of scarcity will make monetizing audiovisual content nearly impossible unless you can create something truly unique.
And even when Hollywood ,or indie creators, try to offer up something new that is not based on existing IP & Lore the audiences often fail to turn up
in numbers that result in a ROI so there seems to be plenty of blame to go around.
Youtube had degenerated into a cesspool of algorithm driven
click bait "slop" even before generative AI. (ie "Mr beast" etc)
AI has just made it easier for automated YT content farms to game the algorithm ata much faster rate.
" Free media " will continue to exist beyond five years because the new lack of scarcity will make monetizing audiovisual content nearly impossible unless you can create something truly unique.
And even when Hollywood ,or indie creators, try to offer up something new that is not based on existing IP & Lore the audiences often fail to turn up
in numbers that result in a ROI so there seems to be plenty of blame to go around.
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The internet and film industry have been flooded with mediocrity for years - go see a Marvel or Star Wars movie since Disney bought them. The junk AI littering the internet right now is because people with no talent and no imagination have a shiny new toy to play with and spend most of their time copying everyone else. It'll soon disipate up the arse of Instragram and Tik-Tok where it belongs as people get bored and move onto the next web fad. In the meantime people with talent and imagination are learning how to use it effectively and understand how it works. For every 1000 bits of AI imagery, you get one that truly stands out as beyond exceptional. Why? Because the artist has creative talent. AI has the potential to change how we see and understand art in the same way that 3D computer generation, Photoshop, Photography did. If Divinci was alive now he would be pushing it to its limit to see what he could create and how far he could push its boundaries. He wouldn't be sat in his studio whinging "but...but.. the Mona Lisa....." I get it - AI is adding a new dimension to the idea of art at such a fast rate that it's easier for people to say "its all crap" rather thank thinking "What can I do with this which will actually blow peoples minds?" 3D artists need to stop with the "I feel threatend" crap and trying to act like some victim artist - even though playing the victim seems to be rather popular these days. AI art has incredible potential - use it or become a dinosaur. - you call.
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I don't think this frightens Hollywood
per se ( it will save them alot of money)
but it sure threatens the " influence power" of self important Adult pretenders ( actors ) whom have cost studios hundreds of Millions of dollars By alienating half of their potential audience with their preachy hot takes on issues not related to promoting the films.
per se ( it will save them alot of money)
but it sure threatens the " influence power" of self important Adult pretenders ( actors ) whom have cost studios hundreds of Millions of dollars By alienating half of their potential audience with their preachy hot takes on issues not related to promoting the films.
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wesley23
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Sat, Oct 04Oh no, why won't anyone think about the poor struggling film studios? Weren't you lecturing someone in another thread about making political comments?
Will artificial intelligence eliminate traditional filmmaking?
I don't think so, because when cinema first emerged, some people claimed that no one would ever go to the theater again. Today, both forms of entertainment coexist. It's likely that the same will happen with AI-generated films and traditional films.
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Est-ce que l'iA supprimera le tournage traditionnel des films ?
Je ne le pense pas car lorsque le cinéma es sortie il me semble que certains on affirmé que que plus personne n'irai au théâtre. Aujourd'hui les deux cohabitent. Il est probable que ce soit la même chose pour les films IA et non IA
I don't think so, because when cinema first emerged, some people claimed that no one would ever go to the theater again. Today, both forms of entertainment coexist. It's likely that the same will happen with AI-generated films and traditional films.
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Est-ce que l'iA supprimera le tournage traditionnel des films ?
Je ne le pense pas car lorsque le cinéma es sortie il me semble que certains on affirmé que que plus personne n'irai au théâtre. Aujourd'hui les deux cohabitent. Il est probable que ce soit la même chose pour les films IA et non IA
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Fri, Oct 03Of course and if you tell good stories with engaging Characters regular laypeople wont care how it is made just like they don’t mind compelling CGI characters like Thanos
in Avengers or Golem in LOTR.
in Avengers or Golem in LOTR.
I'm admittedly not well-versed on training AI models or LLMs for that matter, but are there any whose databases are sourced from licensed content that is 100% compliant with intellectual property law?
From my (limited) understanding of things, most of them build their databases with materials that they often have no legal right to, often openly flouting intellectual property law.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/03/openai-urges-trump-either-settle-ai-copyright-debate-or-lose-ai-race-to-china/
https://www.dglaw.com/court-rules-ai-training-on-copyrighted-works-is-not-fair-use-what-it-means-for-generative-ai/
The use of protected works (e.g books, tv shows, movies, screenplays, actor/famous person likeness, actor performance, distinctive style) without legal right to do so seems like a major stumbling block not often discussed.
Another issue not oft discussed is authorship? Intellectual property rights exist to protect works created by humans. AI-generated works are not protected by intellectual property rights as of now. In other words, forget about using DMCA takedown notices and the like to enforce whatever was "created" by the AI model.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/cadc/23-5233/23-5233-2025-03-18.html
Works partially-created by the AI could potentially be protected by IP law.
In any event, announcing the death of traditional film-making/animation seems a tad premature without acknowledging that the AI models that could potentially drastically change creative work are most likely using unlicensed materials.
https://www.engadget.com/ai/it-turns-out-you-can-train-ai-models-without-copyrighted-material-174016619.html
From my (limited) understanding of things, most of them build their databases with materials that they often have no legal right to, often openly flouting intellectual property law.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/03/openai-urges-trump-either-settle-ai-copyright-debate-or-lose-ai-race-to-china/
https://www.dglaw.com/court-rules-ai-training-on-copyrighted-works-is-not-fair-use-what-it-means-for-generative-ai/
The use of protected works (e.g books, tv shows, movies, screenplays, actor/famous person likeness, actor performance, distinctive style) without legal right to do so seems like a major stumbling block not often discussed.
Another issue not oft discussed is authorship? Intellectual property rights exist to protect works created by humans. AI-generated works are not protected by intellectual property rights as of now. In other words, forget about using DMCA takedown notices and the like to enforce whatever was "created" by the AI model.
https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/cadc/23-5233/23-5233-2025-03-18.html
Works partially-created by the AI could potentially be protected by IP law.
In any event, announcing the death of traditional film-making/animation seems a tad premature without acknowledging that the AI models that could potentially drastically change creative work are most likely using unlicensed materials.
https://www.engadget.com/ai/it-turns-out-you-can-train-ai-models-without-copyrighted-material-174016619.html
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Quote:Oh no, why won't anyone think about the poor struggling film studios?
According to a member of SAG-AFTRA
the actors union agreed to allow studio to use AI generated people in the contract Deal that ended the last strike.
Maybe they foolishly though AI generated people would never look better than those horrific ,Will smith eating pasta, videos from a few short years ago
lesson learned I guess.
According to a member of SAG-AFTRA
the actors union agreed to allow studio to use AI generated people in the contract Deal that ended the last strike.
Maybe they foolishly though AI generated people would never look better than those horrific ,Will smith eating pasta, videos from a few short years ago
lesson learned I guess.
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Quote:In any event, announcing the death of traditional film-making/animation seems a tad premature
U.S. court rulings on fair use means nothing to the chinese and as one of your links noted
US dominance in AI is considered a national security priority in competition with China by the Trump regime.
The people talking about "the AI bubble bursting" seem to not know what happened after the dotcom bubble burst.
Dotcom online businesses not providing true value rightfully vanished.
But did the underlying internet tech of
e-commerce ,that Amazon built upon, and destroyed physical book stores vanish?
NOPE
Will LLMs and generative image making software magically vanish when most of those fly by might AI startups finally fail??
NOPE.
we are in the post scarcity era of visual media creation,
U.S. court rulings on fair use means nothing to the chinese and as one of your links noted
US dominance in AI is considered a national security priority in competition with China by the Trump regime.
The people talking about "the AI bubble bursting" seem to not know what happened after the dotcom bubble burst.
Dotcom online businesses not providing true value rightfully vanished.
But did the underlying internet tech of
e-commerce ,that Amazon built upon, and destroyed physical book stores vanish?
NOPE
Will LLMs and generative image making software magically vanish when most of those fly by might AI startups finally fail??
NOPE.
we are in the post scarcity era of visual media creation,
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Perhaps AI is a national security imperative, and perhaps there is a legitimate need for the United States to be competitive in that arena. Nevertheless, what's the rationale for essentially saying that creatives need to sacrifice their IP rights - and in the process their livelihoods - to AI models that profit off their labor and give absolutely nothing back in return?
If you're a " self important Adult pretender" to use your own example, what benefit do you gain from basically forfeiting your likeness and acting performances? You acknowledge yourself that AI usage could threaten the livelihood of actors whose views you don't like. Similarly, what do you gain if you're an aspiring writer and an AI model uses your intellectual property to feed its database? Not all writers are JK Rowling rich.
I'm not disputing the benefits of AI, but I'm questioning why creatives are being asked to bear all the costs for the "greater good".
Chinese-made electric cars, which are significantly cheaper to produce than their western counterparts and thus threaten the U.S./Canadian auto industry, are the subject of significant tariffs in Canada and the United States. There are ways to counteract Chinese dominance without having to throw people under the bus.
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Finally, with regards to AI use and SAG-AFTRA, of the 4 types of permitted AI use*, synthetic performance is what you're referring to. Based on pages 54 and 55 of the following document, it does not appear to me that has basically screwed up:
https://www.jointpolicycommittee.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/2025-Commercials-Contract-MOA.pdf
* https://www.backstage.com/magazine/article/sag-aftra-ai-deal-explained-76821/
If you're a " self important Adult pretender" to use your own example, what benefit do you gain from basically forfeiting your likeness and acting performances? You acknowledge yourself that AI usage could threaten the livelihood of actors whose views you don't like. Similarly, what do you gain if you're an aspiring writer and an AI model uses your intellectual property to feed its database? Not all writers are JK Rowling rich.
I'm not disputing the benefits of AI, but I'm questioning why creatives are being asked to bear all the costs for the "greater good".
Chinese-made electric cars, which are significantly cheaper to produce than their western counterparts and thus threaten the U.S./Canadian auto industry, are the subject of significant tariffs in Canada and the United States. There are ways to counteract Chinese dominance without having to throw people under the bus.
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Finally, with regards to AI use and SAG-AFTRA, of the 4 types of permitted AI use*, synthetic performance is what you're referring to. Based on pages 54 and 55 of the following document, it does not appear to me that has basically screwed up:
https://www.jointpolicycommittee.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/05/2025-Commercials-Contract-MOA.pdf
* https://www.backstage.com/magazine/article/sag-aftra-ai-deal-explained-76821/
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Quote :what's the rationale for essentially saying that creatives need to sacrifice their IP rights?
Creatives Do not "lose their IP rights"
No U.S. court has yet ruled that Machine learning on Data posted on publicly available sources (the internet) platforms is Illegal.
Quote: self important Adult pretender" to use your own example, what benefit do you gain from basically forfeiting your likeness and acting performances?
Using someone likeness or trademarked IP without consent was Illegal before AI.
Training AI software to create "1950s Gangster characters" by showing it
The Godfather films is not taking away
anyone's rights.
lawsuits are being adjudicated by Disney and others against Midjourney and Open AI.
..good for them, and their highly paid attorneys
But no U.S. court will be able to remove large language model technology and the accompanying generative Image and video technology from the planet, its too late for that!!
Quote:I'm not disputing the benefits of AI, but I'm questioning why creatives are being asked to bear all the costs for the "greater good".
The chemical engineers at Eastman Kodak
"bore all the costs" of Digital photography
its the cost of technological advancement.
Quote:There are ways to counteract Chinese dominance without having to throw people under the bus.
AI and LLM's is not some cheap physical consumer good that can be banned or tariffed by Trump.
It is a powerful set of algorithms that can be used in vital strategic military applications such as smart swarm drones being used to kill real life humans in Ukraine.
or for medical research applications
or space exploration etc.
No country with the capability to harness such tech is going to suppress it just to maintain artificial scarcity in the creative arts market to keep artists employed.
We did not suppress the automobile
or electricity to protect buggy whip and candle stick makers.
Creatives Do not "lose their IP rights"
No U.S. court has yet ruled that Machine learning on Data posted on publicly available sources (the internet) platforms is Illegal.
Quote: self important Adult pretender" to use your own example, what benefit do you gain from basically forfeiting your likeness and acting performances?
Using someone likeness or trademarked IP without consent was Illegal before AI.
Training AI software to create "1950s Gangster characters" by showing it
The Godfather films is not taking away
anyone's rights.
lawsuits are being adjudicated by Disney and others against Midjourney and Open AI.
..good for them, and their highly paid attorneys
But no U.S. court will be able to remove large language model technology and the accompanying generative Image and video technology from the planet, its too late for that!!
Quote:I'm not disputing the benefits of AI, but I'm questioning why creatives are being asked to bear all the costs for the "greater good".
The chemical engineers at Eastman Kodak
"bore all the costs" of Digital photography
its the cost of technological advancement.
Quote:There are ways to counteract Chinese dominance without having to throw people under the bus.
AI and LLM's is not some cheap physical consumer good that can be banned or tariffed by Trump.
It is a powerful set of algorithms that can be used in vital strategic military applications such as smart swarm drones being used to kill real life humans in Ukraine.
or for medical research applications
or space exploration etc.
No country with the capability to harness such tech is going to suppress it just to maintain artificial scarcity in the creative arts market to keep artists employed.
We did not suppress the automobile
or electricity to protect buggy whip and candle stick makers.
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Some of you May have seen what the latest
Sora 2 is doing with photorealistic AI video.
But I predict 2D ,cartoon animation
(including Anime) will soon be dominated by AI
Yesterday I grabbed some still images from My last Graphic Novel (That were originally Daz content renders in Blender)
Well uploaded them to Grok AI ,from Elon Musk,( Free tier BTW),
The videos it generated were surprising as the AI analyzes the facial expressions , body & pose language and creates a video that depicts a short story clip of what it "estimates is happening" in the still Illustration.
No text prompts were even used here and the voice dialogues are created the Grok AI
Sora 2 is doing with photorealistic AI video.
But I predict 2D ,cartoon animation
(including Anime) will soon be dominated by AI
Yesterday I grabbed some still images from My last Graphic Novel (That were originally Daz content renders in Blender)
Well uploaded them to Grok AI ,from Elon Musk,( Free tier BTW),
The videos it generated were surprising as the AI analyzes the facial expressions , body & pose language and creates a video that depicts a short story clip of what it "estimates is happening" in the still Illustration.
No text prompts were even used here and the voice dialogues are created the Grok AI
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Animated series concept pitch trailer
I created in Grok in under two hours
(some non AI stock video was used for the space shots)
I created in Grok in under two hours
(some non AI stock video was used for the space shots)
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One of the many uses for the Grok AI app is not only for turning your still art into animations
But you can use the FREE VLC video player to extract any frames from the many thousands
of frames in a video and use them for comic & Graphic novel panel art.
Because grok can be prompted to make one still image of a character animated looking angry or sad or excited or making body gestures , running ,fighting etc.
you instantly create consistent sequential panel art content for a comics or graphic novels from just a few stills
even from your original hand drawings or Daz
Filatoon renders etc .
Very exciting time for indie comic creators.
But you can use the FREE VLC video player to extract any frames from the many thousands
of frames in a video and use them for comic & Graphic novel panel art.
Because grok can be prompted to make one still image of a character animated looking angry or sad or excited or making body gestures , running ,fighting etc.
you instantly create consistent sequential panel art content for a comics or graphic novels from just a few stills
even from your original hand drawings or Daz
Filatoon renders etc .
Very exciting time for indie comic creators.
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I predict a hug resurgence in 2D style animation with greatly reduced costs.
This is only the limited free tier of Grok AI
This is only the limited free tier of Grok AI
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As a user of rigged 2D "Puppet Animation softwares "such as Reallusion Cartoon Animator and MOHO pro 14
I can use the Free Grok AI app to add Z depth camera moves that were literally impossible
in these software apps before.
I can use the Free Grok AI app to add Z depth camera moves that were literally impossible
in these software apps before.
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A new way to promote your commercial Daz Content has arrived
All animations were generated from single Daz studio Iray renders in mere seconds on a Samsung Galaxy S24 Utra , Smart phone.
All animations were generated from single Daz studio Iray renders in mere seconds on a Samsung Galaxy S24 Utra , Smart phone.
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The paradigm has shifted and the sooner Poser and Daz creators accept this, the better there chance of remaining in the industry however peripherally thy have. Nobody says you have to like it or think it has more value than traditional art, but unless you are using a pencil and parchment you are already using tools to enhance you abilities. AI is simply another tool.
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Quote:The paradigm has shifted and the sooner Poser and Daz creators accept this, the better there chance of remaining in the industry however peripherally thy have. Nobody says you have to like it or think it has more value than traditional art, but unless you are using a pencil and parchment you are already using tools to enhance you abilities. AI is simply another tool.
Generative AI is not perfect and still make BIG mistakes.
But it has gotten good enough (even with film & animation) that those who oppose its existence have completely politicized it to the extreme point where it is not a matter of wether AI output is usable or not. (it is)
They see anyone who uses these tools as evil people.
they immediately make it personal and vicious.
Also the majority of them who troll the comments section ,of a youtube video supporting AI usage , Have NOTHING on their own video channels.
When you ask to see links their Human made art
(even Daz3D prefab stuff)they deflect and toss insults.
its all emotion and when you reciprocate in kind
with mockery they are genuinely shocked by it.
My interest ,of late, is 2D animation.
I have tried nearly of the Major 2D animation software.
(excluding TV paint & toon boom harmony)
MOHO pro 14
Clip Studio paint
Reallusion cartoon animator 4
Adobe Character animator.
I am leaving them ALL behind
(along with Blender,Maya)
as it makes no sense for me to use them anymore when I get the results I want in seconds ,NOT hours or days/weeks.
Generative AI is not perfect and still make BIG mistakes.
But it has gotten good enough (even with film & animation) that those who oppose its existence have completely politicized it to the extreme point where it is not a matter of wether AI output is usable or not. (it is)
They see anyone who uses these tools as evil people.
they immediately make it personal and vicious.
Also the majority of them who troll the comments section ,of a youtube video supporting AI usage , Have NOTHING on their own video channels.
When you ask to see links their Human made art
(even Daz3D prefab stuff)they deflect and toss insults.
its all emotion and when you reciprocate in kind
with mockery they are genuinely shocked by it.
My interest ,of late, is 2D animation.
I have tried nearly of the Major 2D animation software.
(excluding TV paint & toon boom harmony)
MOHO pro 14
Clip Studio paint
Reallusion cartoon animator 4
Adobe Character animator.
I am leaving them ALL behind
(along with Blender,Maya)
as it makes no sense for me to use them anymore when I get the results I want in seconds ,NOT hours or days/weeks.
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