Is free AI-generated music music? (CLOSED)

I only just saw this fantastic comment.. You hit the nail on the head.

Quote It can all suddenly disappear with a major software update as it has with DS 2025 (version 6) because its code was owned by a third party and not Daz.
Therefore, it's in your best interest to download and keep the Zip versions of Daz Studio so you can continue using them for free if the latest version (paid or free) drops a feature you want to keep using.

The editing worked well.

That's so awesome. I just got a gpu upgrade, though I don't know if I can make animations like this yet. Amazing for one person to crunch out a 10minute show!

Disturbing thing I've learned is that Daz is paywalling features now behind their "Platinum Subscription". I had mentioned that there were a few things missing from Daz 2025 that didn't work, like ManFriday's dForce Companion, which is an amazing tool to help with dForce. The response I got was, "That feature is now available as part of the Daz Premium Subscription".

Wouldn't surprise me if stuff like aniblocks are in there too with Daz 2025, and other things like Measurement Metrics, etc that people use all the time.

Daz should hire you for their promotions

But why pay me or pay anyone else?

Any random Daz content creator
,with a smart phone running the Grok AI app ,can make a slick advertisement like this, to promote their products, completely free of charge.

Sure you still need decent desktop video editor and some knowledge of how to edit video.
(I use the FREE Davinci resolve).

But the option is there for anyone.

Oh snap... my upgrade is a 5060ti... so I guess I will need that daz2026 upgrade. Time to uninstall daz 4.x that I have.

I admit that this piece is pleasant to listen to. Since I'm not a musician, I can't tell if the different themes of the pieces aren't inspired by themes that existed before AI.

4.5 sounds so clean

That's kind of what I was aiming for when I started this thread: to try and educate people by having them listen to AI-generated music so they can hear the difference and not fall into the trap of paying accounts that don't deserve it by listening to their tracks.

It's worth noting that 34% of the tracks (around 40,000 per day) delivered on Spotify are now entirely AI-generated!

@Masterstroke - It's just another tool in the box. You can use it as much or as little s needed. The songwriter who writes pieces but does not play an instrument will love it. Not everyone can afford to buy Ableton Live Suite, and even if they do, everything has it's learning curve.

People are already stupid, using ai is not going to change it. Ai is here.

- If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

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"@Masterstroke - It's just another tool in the box. "
No, it is not just another tool.
Using a tool is different from telling a "tool" what to do and then letting it create for you.
AI is in a way like a contractor, that you hire to create something for you.
Like an architecture agency, that you hire for designing a house for you, by your description.
do not confuse that with being part of the team, you are just writing instructions, they do the design.
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"The songwriter who writes pieces but does not play an instrument will love it. "
The first mistake is hidden in the word "songwriter".
If you ask AI to do it, you're not a songwriter, you are an AI-user.
I know some music theory, but I struggle hard to play an instrument and yet, I'd never go that low, to have AI doing it for me.
I'd ask friends to do it for me and give them credit for their major part of their work.
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"People are already stupid, using ai is not going to change it. Ai is here."
AI does change that. It does make People's stupidity even worse.
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"- If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."
In case of generative AI, it sounds more like giving in to the enemy.
To be clear, I am not entirely against AI, I just deeply hate generative AI, that pretends to be creative and artistic.
Even more so people, believing to be artistic pushing an "make Art-Button" fed with some prompt instructions.
Generative AI is not YOUR work
Generative AI is not in your control
Generative AI is stolen work
AI as a tool is HELPful where ever is a huge data base, that needs to be processed.
AI is helpful, as I've already mentioned, with animations, by reading motion data from videos instead of using mocap suits
It is important, to make the distinction between AI as a tool and generative AI as a fake-creative devise.
Art, however you describe it is a creative process, that AI cannot replace.
If it can do it, then it just is not YOUR creative process, because it is always personal.
The process of art is always your conscious decisions or un-conscious decisions.
It is about your journey from an idea to YOUR finished result, that includes a struggle, that's worth to overcome.
That is being creative, so please anyone, spare me from pretending to have created something and presenting me this AI-stuff.
It is not yours, it is AI.
Please be honest at least about this fact.
You did not do it, you've asked an electronic devise to do this for you.

not even a question. It's the essence of jazz!

I get what you're saying, but Generative AI isn't just "compilation of pieces by real musicians". Gen AI is a much more complex and interesting shoggoth than just a "mix tape".

The model is fed music of different varieties. It 'learns' what makes a rock song rock, and what makes a rap song rap. It 'learns' the sound of instruments, and 'learns' the mathematics behind musical composition. There's no actual musical data stored in the model files. Just the potential mathematical weights of all possible sounds. When it's asked to make a "bluesy riff with a rough female singer's voice" it's not actually taking sounds from songs it was trained on, it is analyzing the mathematical weights of what it had learned and generating a close approximation to those sounds.

Yes, if an AI was trained solely, say, Queen, when you asked it to make a song, it will only sound like Freddie Mercury singing, and Brian May playing guitar. But, if you trained it on ALL classic rock from the 1960s to the 1990s, it will generate weighted averages of all guitar players and all signers in that time frame.

Thank you for this response, which puts things into perspective.
I think that's what many people feel but can't express so clearly.

by your thinking, song writers are not artists, right? They craft nothing?

Je ne suis ni auteur de texte de chanson ni compositeur de musique et pourtant j'ai écrit des promptes qui ont généré des chansons.
Cela ne fait pas de moi un artiste musical.
Je pense que c'est cela que voulais exprimer Vince
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I'm neither a lyricist nor a composer, yet I've written prompts that have generated songs.
That doesn't make me a musical artist.
I think that's what Vince was trying to say.

I get what he is saying for 90%, I was just asking about the other 10%. A person using a text editor to write... are they an artist?
I already understand his position on when it gets to Ai, which seems to be the stance of the majority of Daz users. I hear the same arguments from 3d artists said about the poser/daz community (ie. using figures, clothing, props, environments made by other people to render your scene doesn't make you an artist, blah blah blah). Glass houses and all, I would think it would stop somewhere, but it does not. Tools are tools are tool is my view, but I was asking about his.

I don't know what you are talking about. When I watched the video it was already translated into the english language by ai, which made it much more enjoyable and easier for me to watch, which in my opinion destroys 33% of the point you are trying to make. But I can appreciate the stance.

It is about generativ AI, not as a tool set.
Some folks will never get that.
AI translation is a YouTube feature..

Never ask, what the crowd is thinking.
The mass population of people is stupid. They are like sheep. Even without AI, they do not think about what is happening.
Even the regular charts on the radio shows this.
Playing the same stupid songs every hour on the radio. when I ask e.g. colleques, if they are not annoyed by this repeating bs, they usually answer, that they don't really listen.
So WTF?
They don't give a poo about music, they don't give a poo about AI slop music, then why would they give a poo, if something like democracy still works?
People call me over-critical.
No, people are under-critical.
Like stupid kettle, that eat everything they get served, and sprinkled with music in order to give more milk.

Give me a f-ing death star, I'm in the mood to destroy planets.

hey Masterstroke, I gave the crowded area example to give a physchological example that a lot of people will not get the difference between an AI music and a totally human generated one actually. The thing is, I'm not an expert on this field but as AI as the way we see it now is relatively new I believe most people even the most educated ones won't tell the difference not because they are not smart or anything like that, it's because our brains are not trained to do so yet. Maybe in some years we will can tell by ear what is AI or not but I think it's still early for that. And I'm sorry you're having a bad time, try to do something to relax or have fun. Wish you the best

The more it is important to question, what kind of music is played.
I refuse to be cheated with AI generated "music" and my tolerance to this is pricisely zero, and I admit, that I have zero tolerance for other opinions to this matter.

I get it. What you think about the example I gave about a person that made the base music and then used an legally trained AI to change the style? You think it's wrong or that the music lost it's soul? Genuinely asking.

Music is some kind of a communication.
It comes from a human experience and represents a connection.
AI is not the same, even if nobody heard the difference.
If a random explosion in a paint production facility left ofer a color spot, that looked exactly like a Picasso painting, it still would not be a peace of art, like Picsasso's, although it could be noticed as impressive, it is just not art.
Same with music. Intention and a thoughtful human proccessing is key for creating music.
Just becaus it sounds like music, it hasn't have to be music.

That's a very thoughtful explanation, thank you so much for your opinion, it greatly influenced mine.

thank you

Thank you both for this interesting exchange.
Since you mentioned painting, do you remember this one?
https://img.20mn.fr/wSNO-X4bSt-YLY5muj_7FQ/1444x920_soleil-endormit-adriatique-toile-peinte-ane-1910
The painting, titled "And the Sun Fell Asleep on the Adriatic," was originally created by Lolo the Donkey, of course, but more importantly, by a group of satirical artists from Montmartre who, in 1910, wanted to mock art critics and avant-garde painters.

How many people who saw this painting before the real painter's name was revealed suspected it was a hoax?

As for the music, I fear that many people will never be able to distinguish between music written by a human and music generated by AI; not everyone has a musical ear, quite simply.

My pleasure. Yeah you're right, after reading Masterstroke's comment I started to think more about it and honestly, imagine if for example you start to love a person's music and voice, start to buy their songs and CD's and one day you find out it was everything made using prompts, I would be angry and disappointed too. About the painting, sorry I know it's a serious discussion and I'm not an artist but I found the story kinda funny lol.

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"If you pose a pre-made figure with daz and render it, is the image you "art" or not?"
Are we going through the same old talking points again?

If you are a photographer, did you make your models and motives?
Just read through this thread. It has all been said already.

i don't think you can compare photogrpahy with a daz render if you can't compare a daz render with an ai render. Mind you I can, because I think ai is art. But I wanted to hear what everyone else thinks because all I see is a lot of "no ai" around here. But then again I'm just a poser/daz vendor making custom figures so what do i know.

Yes dirtrider00, I simply can't get enough. Some songs get tossed but probably one out of 3-4 are absolute bangers!

Haha, yeah everyone has their preferences as to what they like music wise. I've never been a groupie. May like a couple of songs off one bands album and hate their next one. Basically just depends on the song/music/beat and whether it resonates with me.

Actually listening to LouieVerse's 'Breath" on youtube right now. Pretty much just have it on repeat.

@B-monster666You could quote me; I'm not hiding anything. I specify in the item descriptions that the AI ​​created the mesh and texture from a personal photo. This information is also in my profile:
https://www.renderhub.com/wikoy81/profile
Contrary to what you claim, this isn't promptology.