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Those of us who inhabit the dark and slippery slope of the bell curve will probably have seen the new post on Sick-n-Twisted'Otica regarding the retirement of one of the management staff. She was apparently one of the main drivers of the site. With the long and slow downturn of the place, I can see it shutting down before too long. There's very little new content, the forums see little activity, and they can't keep it going on only the galleries.
I've already messaged my favourite content creators that I'll follow them wherever they move to, suggesting that DeviantArt might be a spot for them to continue selling.
I've already messaged my favourite content creators that I'll follow them wherever they move to, suggesting that DeviantArt might be a spot for them to continue selling.
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I have not gone there for several years now since they IP banned me for the terrible crime of ... posting freebies
I don't go to DeviantArt any more either because there was so much monetized AI generated child porn
I don't go to DeviantArt any more either because there was so much monetized AI generated child porn
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Bobb
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Sat, May 02I'm a HUGE fan of DA and follow several hundred blogs. I have yet to see anything resembling kiddie porn.
Excessive
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Mon, May 04if they managed to clean it up, good for them, it was a daily thing there when I last logged in (around 2.5 years now)
Masterstroke
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Wed, May 06Oh, and not only AI-generated, but real life brutal, right on their front gallery page. I have reported those a...holes several times.
DA has in fact gotten better in responding to this.
And don't go into the forum section.
DA has in fact gotten better in responding to this.
And don't go into the forum section.
fvdom
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Wed, May 06That has not been my experience. I closed my account there years ago and opened a new one a few months ago in the hope that issue had been addressed. Within two days the AI stuff started showing up on the "Welcome New Users" area, despite having "Suppress AI" turned on, and I reported the same image 10+ times shared by 10+ accounts that were just a bunch of random letters and numbers. I ended up closing my new account because of it and won't go back unless they take same serious steps to improve moderation.
Why not suggest Renderhub's adult section as well? Honestly - on both sites, you'll find (with a few exceptions) the usual mix of props, poses, and fluids. I haven't seen anything truly disgusting on 'rotica in quite a while (for which I'm grateful).
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I don't mind sexual content and I am ok with pornography, but in fact 'otica has really sick content beyond that.
I'm having a personal beef with that side, because they kicked me out and banned me without a warning for a violation, I have not been aware of.
They banned me without having the chance of downloading purchased content or deleting my posts and pictures.
They even claimed, my uploaded renders were theirs now.
The following e-mail exchange has been nasty in tone.
I have no good wishes for that them and I'd love to see them going broke.
I'm having a personal beef with that side, because they kicked me out and banned me without a warning for a violation, I have not been aware of.
They banned me without having the chance of downloading purchased content or deleting my posts and pictures.
They even claimed, my uploaded renders were theirs now.
The following e-mail exchange has been nasty in tone.
I have no good wishes for that them and I'd love to see them going broke.
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Bobb
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Sat, May 02I echo your hatred of the people who run Renderotica. It's my understanding from the two people who started Male Poser Erotica some years back, that Andrew (now dead) from Renderotica was the one who had hired some hackers to take down MPE because it was competition for R'Otica. There was a court case and Andrew was found guilty but R'Otica held the position that he'd acted on his own so they weren't held liable.
I love the sick-n-twisted, way-off-the-deep-end creepy stuff but there's been nothing but variations on a theme for years now. There's nothing original. DirtierEddy no longer makes content and Davo is just doing the same old stuff. I've posted some suggestions and after many weeks and hundreds of views, gotten only one comment. I guess it's a different crowd now?
I love the sick-n-twisted, way-off-the-deep-end creepy stuff but there's been nothing but variations on a theme for years now. There's nothing original. DirtierEddy no longer makes content and Davo is just doing the same old stuff. I've posted some suggestions and after many weeks and hundreds of views, gotten only one comment. I guess it's a different crowd now?
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Sat, May 02It's literally run now by sick degenerates and Trans idiots. Same ones that used to run Slushe and even Affect3d.
All you see most of the time now is Futanari/Dickgirl disgusting shit...
All you see most of the time now is Futanari/Dickgirl disgusting shit...
Bobb
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Sun, May 03I'm one of the people secretly pushing our trans-friendly agenda on an unsuspecting world. It's a massively successful conspiracy and we have our tentacles everywhere. We where responsible for G9's gender neutral mesh and through various secret programs are indoctrinating the population.
.....and we're coming for you too gohanf22...
.....and we're coming for you too gohanf22...
thirdeyezennicai
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Sun, May 03it's real funny this guy is talking about degeneracy and his posts are usually women with comically large tits; I don't know why he's pretending he has some "moral high ground" but I rather he stick to posting just that than running his mouth on dumbass hateful conspiracy bullshit lmao
Bobb
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Sun, May 03It should be obvious that I'm poking fun at his posts.
No one would believe any of that stuff...would they?
It's along the same lines as flat earth, chem trails and tracking chips in vaccines.
No one would believe any of that stuff...would they?
It's along the same lines as flat earth, chem trails and tracking chips in vaccines.
thirdeyezennicai
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Sun, May 03oh no you're fine !! I totally understood your post, don't worry 
Bobb
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Sun, May 03Whew!.....I was worried that you didn't like me.
I'd love to be talented like that nuclear physicist, cosmologist, and something-else-ist who baits the flat earth community. He looks like a yahoo sitting there with his big goofy dog and gets them all wound up. Only then, when he appears to be backed into a corner does he unleash a torrent of empirical data. It's a scream.
I'd love to be talented like that nuclear physicist, cosmologist, and something-else-ist who baits the flat earth community. He looks like a yahoo sitting there with his big goofy dog and gets them all wound up. Only then, when he appears to be backed into a corner does he unleash a torrent of empirical data. It's a scream.
thirdeyezennicai
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Sun, May 03I used to troll conspiracy theorists when I was a little younger and making them question their beliefs but then it got to a point where the beliefs these days became too unhinged to even satirize D:
diogenese19348
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Wed, May 20Wait, the trans crowd is growing tentacles now? Does Cthulhu know?
I just had a look at Summoner's latest ( https://www.renderhub.com/summoner/summoner-s-and-aarc-3d-alienfreak-alpha ). It has no naughty parts whatsoever so I guess it's trans-alien? Or maybe it's a non-gender being. I thought that it resembles Homer Simpson so there's all kinds of bizarre possibilities there.
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Renderotica has been around for a long time. I have posted there for a long time. They do have some very draconian policies about competitive sites. But that given, they are a free place to post your erotic work, which almost no other sites allow. I was very pleased to see Renderhub allowing explicit sex being allowed in the gallery and its smart way of filtering to not upset people who don't want to see that type of work. None of the social media links offered on the profile page allow this kind of work. There a few hentai and gaming and cartoon sites, but nothing like the realistic work at Renderotica or Renderhub or Slushe, which has its own problems, like no one to talk to, no one to report issues, and no responses with crony placement of subpar work in the featured section . It's a virtual walled garden. The site has been broken for weeks and they know about it, and wont fix it. So the stable of places to post is very limited.
The 'Otica site is being sold and the management is in transition. The new owners were the original tech guys of the site and have promised to address the many problems. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. In the meantime, Renderhub offers more engagement and views than the other sites, so its my favorite now
The 'Otica site is being sold and the management is in transition. The new owners were the original tech guys of the site and have promised to address the many problems. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. In the meantime, Renderhub offers more engagement and views than the other sites, so its my favorite now
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'Rotica is a site I frequent. I will say that I'm not into futa or the extreme gore/vore that some artists have or supply, but I just ignore it. It is possible to do that in my world. If I see something that's not to my taste, I tend not to get offended - it's not worth my time - I just move on. It's typically assets I'm on the lookout for anyway. Though I do succumb to the occasional comic buy. I like the hub, but the spigot flow of merch is neverending and often difficult to parse even for me, and I fancy myself a data miner.
There are no standards for descriptives in the product listings, which often makes determining whether a product is as interesting as it appears quite a quandary. For some artists I just have to buy a sample to see if I like the result or not - that will determine whether I continue to follow/purchase from them. But there are quite a few artists on here to be certain. It's also a bit of a pickle when they sell on multiple platforms and you've got to compare prices and double (or triple) check to insure that you (or certainly I) haven't already purchased an item.
There are no standards for descriptives in the product listings, which often makes determining whether a product is as interesting as it appears quite a quandary. For some artists I just have to buy a sample to see if I like the result or not - that will determine whether I continue to follow/purchase from them. But there are quite a few artists on here to be certain. It's also a bit of a pickle when they sell on multiple platforms and you've got to compare prices and double (or triple) check to insure that you (or certainly I) haven't already purchased an item.
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Wed, May 20There are filters you can set up to avoid seeing the material you would rather not view, fyi
and there are product reviews to view when looking at a product. But I share your experience where the product does not live up to your expectations, but that happens on every site that sells third party products
and there are product reviews to view when looking at a product. But I share your experience where the product does not live up to your expectations, but that happens on every site that sells third party products
My biggest problem with 'otica is it is such a royal PITA to download purchases. On the plus side, they are the only site I know of that has figured out how to remove the cost of owned items from bundles. I've never understood why nobody else is able to do that, including DAZ.
There already are a number of venders there that also have accounts here, and that number is growing.
There already are a number of venders there that also have accounts here, and that number is growing.
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Wed, May 20Daz already implemented owned items discount on bundles. A while back it was on special days, now is at any moment and work on both DO and PA products, even if you purchased a few minutes before. The moment you add the bundle where you already own at least one of the items, the price is recalculated.in your cart. It stacks with other promos, except when is a fixed value, on those cases there is no extra discount.
diogenese19348
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Wed, May 20I hadn't noticed that, thanks. I don't buy as much as I used to from DAZ because I really haven't taken to Genesis 9. I did sign on for the paid version because of it, I like to support programming. And bundles are usually all about characters, though there have been prop bundles from time to time.
I have to agree with you a little bit... and disagree a little bit at the same time 
You're right that things have been very quiet on 'rotica for quite a while. And unfortunately, the gallery isn't much fun anymore, since the AI Slope flood means that some gallery pages have more hidden (filtered) thumbnails than actual images.
On the other hand, a lot has happened there over the past week that is particularly interesting for DAZ Content developers. For one thing, I saw a flood of new products today that weren't online the day before. To be more precise, there are about 40 new products (identifiable by their SIDs). Also, the new team seems to be working on the large banners on the landing page and restoring the banner rotation, which has been on hold for about two years.
In addition, banners for products that have already been published can now be submitted (which wasn't possible before). And - something I also find interesting - they're looking into a way to upload separate banners for cgbytes and 'rotica.
All in all, these are definitely positive developments, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed for their success
You're right that things have been very quiet on 'rotica for quite a while. And unfortunately, the gallery isn't much fun anymore, since the AI Slope flood means that some gallery pages have more hidden (filtered) thumbnails than actual images.
On the other hand, a lot has happened there over the past week that is particularly interesting for DAZ Content developers. For one thing, I saw a flood of new products today that weren't online the day before. To be more precise, there are about 40 new products (identifiable by their SIDs). Also, the new team seems to be working on the large banners on the landing page and restoring the banner rotation, which has been on hold for about two years.
In addition, banners for products that have already been published can now be submitted (which wasn't possible before). And - something I also find interesting - they're looking into a way to upload separate banners for cgbytes and 'rotica.
All in all, these are definitely positive developments, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed for their success
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Bobb
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Sat, May 23Where are you seeing these new products? I visit the place religiously every morning and the only new item has been Davo's set, released during the week. Are you referring too comics and illustrations too?
Pushee-Ri
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Sat, May 23Nah—I'm talking about my Lazees (SKU 76400). The last one was SKU 76344 two days ago. As a DAZ developer, I'm referring to all products... as long as mine pass the testers without any errors
Bobb
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Sat, May 23Aaaah I see. So not everything that's new is shown in the 'What's new' panel.
3DLoki
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Sat, May 23Bobb: There's been 16 new releases since Davo's latest release. if you goto JUST the "store" tab it lists latest to oldest products by default, same as if you click on "new items" from the left side menu of the store page. Also make sure what your settings are because you might actually have some categories hidden.
The "What's New" panel on the right side of the main page only shows the 3 latest products (and the Premiere Advantage membership)
and that could change depending on your settings. IE if you have comics and images sets hidden then none of those would show up in that panel or on the Store catalog.
The "What's New" panel on the right side of the main page only shows the 3 latest products (and the Premiere Advantage membership)
and that could change depending on your settings. IE if you have comics and images sets hidden then none of those would show up in that panel or on the Store catalog.
I'm going to break a rule here so to speak, not a site rule but my own rule, I've always tried to keep my vendor life (3DLoki / Loki) and my work life (_________) separate but... since this thread is this thread.....
Just to be clear, it's NOT a "new" team, it's the 2nd org team back in control of the sites again...
Way back in the late 90's there was Renderosity, a split happened and Renderotica was created from the org exodus of Renderosity (some wanted adult products, some did not) That team lead ROT until the org owner Diane sold to Andrew (Ehjay) and he brought in his own crew over the next few years, (I got there in like 2011 or 2012 if memory is correct) THAT TEAM is who's back now. I don't know why the term "new" was org used in the forums, in a way it's true as it's diff people then who were running it for the past 8 years (I left 3 years ago but am back now) , but in more ways it's false because each person there now has over a decade of running the place under their belts.
YES new releases are flowing again, YES Featured banners are ALMOST ready to start fresh weekly or bi-weekly rotations again, the newsletters and contests will also be starting back up shortly as well.
As for featured banners that were not org submitted with the product now able to be submitted, that's not actually a "new" thing, but a thing that stopped after I left, but now it's back!
Last but not least, the promo group will be starting back up shortly to help kickstart the CGbytes gallery again as well as help vendors who need help with creating featured banners.
Hope that clears some stuff up, and I hope you enjoyed me breaking my little rule lol.
3DLoki / Teron
Just to be clear, it's NOT a "new" team, it's the 2nd org team back in control of the sites again...
Way back in the late 90's there was Renderosity, a split happened and Renderotica was created from the org exodus of Renderosity (some wanted adult products, some did not) That team lead ROT until the org owner Diane sold to Andrew (Ehjay) and he brought in his own crew over the next few years, (I got there in like 2011 or 2012 if memory is correct) THAT TEAM is who's back now. I don't know why the term "new" was org used in the forums, in a way it's true as it's diff people then who were running it for the past 8 years (I left 3 years ago but am back now) , but in more ways it's false because each person there now has over a decade of running the place under their belts.
YES new releases are flowing again, YES Featured banners are ALMOST ready to start fresh weekly or bi-weekly rotations again, the newsletters and contests will also be starting back up shortly as well.
As for featured banners that were not org submitted with the product now able to be submitted, that's not actually a "new" thing, but a thing that stopped after I left, but now it's back!
Last but not least, the promo group will be starting back up shortly to help kickstart the CGbytes gallery again as well as help vendors who need help with creating featured banners.
Hope that clears some stuff up, and I hope you enjoyed me breaking my little rule lol.
3DLoki / Teron
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Sat, May 23Thanks for that info. I'm visiting without logging in. My computer hard a hard crash a month ago when our power went out and I lost a bunch of passwords. I haven't bothered getting a new one.
diogenese19348
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Sat, May 23I had completely forgotten Diane was the original owner. That makes more sense now, thanks.
Excessive
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Sun, May 24the whole thing with me getting IP banned for trying to list my free content there left a super bad impression, no interest in trying to go back there any more \_()_/
This is the render, that got me banned from Rotica.
Well, after I asked politely, why women mutilated in the gallery is accepted, but my picture has been banned, without a chance of deleting renders, which they still show, claiming they are theirs now, and without the chance of downloading purchased content.
The e-mail exchange after being banned got nasty quickly.
The rotica admins are a bunch of bullies.
If I'd given a chance in participating bringing rotica down, I'd do it, no matter what.
Just saying.
I could have sneaked back in with another user name, but I decided not to.
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Masterstroke
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Sun, May 24Clarifying:
The picture got banned first, then I got banned after protesting.
The picture got banned first, then I got banned after protesting.
Jackolantern
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Sun, May 24I don't know the history but I can't think why that picture would have been banned. It's very realistic and could easily be a snapshot of a real person, the hair on the right indicates that it is not. She doesn't look like a child ( I know they forbid images of children ), her nose shape and face, and her height relative to the chair and window would lead me to think she's about 20?
3DLoki
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Sun, May 24I can't speak on what went on after I left, but I would agree that render getting banned is total BS, I remember that model well, you posted her very frequently, I remember personally posting those images on the socials more times then not, and the model looked 'the same' in most of the renders, so if that one was a "no no" why were all the others fine?
Plus the fact she's fully clothed... I'm sorry that happened to you.
Despite what happened then, I can assure you the admins now are anything but bullies, if you were by chance interested in coming back, let me know, with your history and with how your banning happened (IE I think I know exactly who you dealt with) I don't see it being an issue at all.
Plus the fact she's fully clothed... I'm sorry that happened to you.
Despite what happened then, I can assure you the admins now are anything but bullies, if you were by chance interested in coming back, let me know, with your history and with how your banning happened (IE I think I know exactly who you dealt with) I don't see it being an issue at all.
Masterstroke
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Sun, May 24Yup, supposed to be in her early 20s.
Even their accusation of "looking like a child" is ridiculous, compared what other stylized characters there look like.
And lots of "artists" do really crazy sh...tuff with their characters.
One of the reasons, that I've never made my character a product, was to protect her from the p...verted Rotica community.
BTW:
On an artisic level it is really difficult for having a 3d character to be cute, realisitic, young, but not below in her 20s.
Even their accusation of "looking like a child" is ridiculous, compared what other stylized characters there look like.
And lots of "artists" do really crazy sh...tuff with their characters.
One of the reasons, that I've never made my character a product, was to protect her from the p...verted Rotica community.
BTW:
On an artisic level it is really difficult for having a 3d character to be cute, realisitic, young, but not below in her 20s.
Jackolantern
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Sun, May 24I know there was a phase, years ago, where some people were posting pictures of scantily clad or nude 'fairies', and claiming that they were 300 years old fairies , and so 'not children ' even though that's what they looked like. Don't recall where it was..
Jackolantern
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Sun, May 24So I can see that it is/was a sensitive subject. Your render is fully clothed and there's no attempt to pass it off as anything other than what we see, so I don't see any problem with it.
Luxe Muse
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Sun, May 24I'm sorry to hear this happened to you. Your render is one of the most beautifully realistic renders I've seen. Right up there. The only reason someone saw ill intent in it was out of envy, or they are just mad, bad in the head.
MacSomme
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Wed, Jul 15The only issue I can imagine anybody might have with that image is that he assumed it to be an actual photo. Which is kind of a compliment, but that should have been sorted out with a single mail.
Things are changing, so perhaps you can bury your anger to the site together with the presence of the admin there. If Loki says hes gone, I tend to believe him, and carrying a grudge is always a burden to yourself, too.
Things are changing, so perhaps you can bury your anger to the site together with the presence of the admin there. If Loki says hes gone, I tend to believe him, and carrying a grudge is always a burden to yourself, too.
3DLoki
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Wed, Jul 15Even if someone assumed it was an actual photo, we allow AI generated images which in some cases look WAY TOO real, and for me personally can cause eventual problems with some of the more extreme content being generated with AI.
My bigger issue with that image of Roxy being deleted and Masterstroke being banned was that The former Admin need only to have looked at the entire gallery and would have saw that not only does Roxy appear the same age in 90% of her renders, but she has been spotlighted by staff over and over again, it's a safe bet no staff was using underage content as promotions, so just a little bit of common sense could of prevented all the problems that ended up coming from what I believe was a snap decision.
Pleased to add that Masterstroke IS back and Roxy is returning to the gallery (and most likely to the header of an upcoming newsletter soon lol) The former admin is indeed gone, and outside of legitimate actual severe violations of TOS / the law, the current team would much rather calmly talk things over then swing a ban hammer without valid reasons.
My bigger issue with that image of Roxy being deleted and Masterstroke being banned was that The former Admin need only to have looked at the entire gallery and would have saw that not only does Roxy appear the same age in 90% of her renders, but she has been spotlighted by staff over and over again, it's a safe bet no staff was using underage content as promotions, so just a little bit of common sense could of prevented all the problems that ended up coming from what I believe was a snap decision.
Pleased to add that Masterstroke IS back and Roxy is returning to the gallery (and most likely to the header of an upcoming newsletter soon lol) The former admin is indeed gone, and outside of legitimate actual severe violations of TOS / the law, the current team would much rather calmly talk things over then swing a ban hammer without valid reasons.
Dareshiranu
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Wed, Jul 15I'd add, that's a figure I would buy if offered for sale. Just saying.
I used to sell over there. People couldn't believe I was selling actual clothing and doing well at it. Most of the characters and renders over there at that time were of course not clothed, as I assum is the case now. But for some reason people liked the tease aspect of my designs.
Not into the FUTA thing nor the trans thing. I'm pretty old fashioned about the way I present nudity. I can say that I find the "attack!" culture in the trans world a little baffling. I'm a live and let live person. I would think that the trans community would understand that but for some reason, whenever I see someone say anything like "not really my thing" about trans, the attack profile is activated. We have an example of it in this thread. Just impossible to understand for a guy like me. Everyone do your own thing and be nice to each other. My thing isn't their thing. And vice-versa. That's cool. Doesn't mean we have to attack each other.
Not into the FUTA thing nor the trans thing. I'm pretty old fashioned about the way I present nudity. I can say that I find the "attack!" culture in the trans world a little baffling. I'm a live and let live person. I would think that the trans community would understand that but for some reason, whenever I see someone say anything like "not really my thing" about trans, the attack profile is activated. We have an example of it in this thread. Just impossible to understand for a guy like me. Everyone do your own thing and be nice to each other. My thing isn't their thing. And vice-versa. That's cool. Doesn't mean we have to attack each other.
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It's a veiled form of fetish bashing. I see it at R'otica and sometimes I don't think that people realize they're doing it. It makes them feel superior to those of us with all the desperately weird, sick, strange, bizarre and just plain messed-up fetishes.
RBG!
RBG!
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Yeah R'otica is sick but what's sicker is their lack of good payment methods, the few things I have bought ended up with my information getting stolen and the few things I still would like to buy I have no way to safely pay for (I'm talking about oily and wet skin)
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3DSaga
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Thu, Jun 18That's really alarming! Did this happen during the current transition? I ask because there are things I would like to buy, but I'm hesitant during this "under construction" phase.
Masterstroke
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Fri, Jun 19Quote:
"Yeah R'otica is sick but what's sicker is their lack of good payment methods,..."
Papal used to work there, at least with 3d content, it didn't work for comics thogh.
There also used to be a way to pay into your account and pay your items from there.
Never, ever pay with your credit card online. Mayor golden Rule!!!
"Yeah R'otica is sick but what's sicker is their lack of good payment methods,..."
Papal used to work there, at least with 3d content, it didn't work for comics thogh.
There also used to be a way to pay into your account and pay your items from there.
Never, ever pay with your credit card online. Mayor golden Rule!!!
Masterstroke
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Fri, Jun 19Not to defend Rotica, but Rendo isn't safe either with Credit Cards. Before I had my PP account, I had my numbers stolen after a Rendo check out.
3DSaga
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Sat, Jun 20Well, the longer they stay in this situation, the more money they lose, at least in my view. I only use PayPal for on-line shopping. There's stuff on my WL I would like to buy, but not even their Renderotique site takes PayPal and they no longer link to CGBytes.
They banned me for helping one of their customers on the site with finding ganguro make-up MENTIONING Patreon (and afterwards postulated that they had warned me several times before, which didn't occur). The problem with that is that my purchases for that account were also demolished, effectively stealing access to over 3k dollars worth of content. I am not supporting them for that reason and good riddance.
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It's now been two whole and entire moths with no real change. You still can't buy anything, can't get a new login, and there's little new. What I am seeing here is a lot of well deserved criticism. I feel that it's time to let it go. They can't run it right so just kill it and let the creators open their own sites somewhere else. Smart creators will sell cute renders of flowers but send me a download link to the creepy, weird, sick, twisted, perverted, messed-up, horrific and bizarre item I actually want.
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3DSaga
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Sat, Jul 04I keep checking into the site every day. I noticed some of the items on my wish list had a new button - "Buy On Affiliated Site". That took me to CG Bytes, and I was able to apply my points and complete the transaction with PayPal. This is pretty much how it used to work, I think. The items on my wish list that don't have this button take me to Renderotique, which is pretty much a dead end for me as PayPal isn't available and I don't use my credit card for on-line purchases. Why would there be a difference in how some items can be purchased?
diogenese19348
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Sat, Jul 04You'd have to ask Paypal on that one, it's their rules. What I am scratching my head about is that they had this issue with adult comics before, and the work around was to use CGBtyes to buy a gift certificate and use store credit to buy the item they couldn't sell via Paypal.
And for the life of me, I can't understand why they aren't still doing that. They will not let you buy anything from Renderotique by any method.
Um, OK, great way to pay the server bills.
And for the life of me, I can't understand why they aren't still doing that. They will not let you buy anything from Renderotique by any method.
Um, OK, great way to pay the server bills.
kwerkx
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Sat, Jul 04diogenese19348 said, "And for the life of me, I can't understand why they aren't still doing that"
Likely PayPal or some other payment processor or bank etc. is involved. I saw a note in their threads about problems loosing a "high risk" payment processor for one of their stores. If one or more of their stores is labeled as "high risk" then it's likely as you said, "ask PayPal on that one". It doesn't bode well, I think R-hub is the only other mainstream store with a Adult section...
Likely PayPal or some other payment processor or bank etc. is involved. I saw a note in their threads about problems loosing a "high risk" payment processor for one of their stores. If one or more of their stores is labeled as "high risk" then it's likely as you said, "ask PayPal on that one". It doesn't bode well, I think R-hub is the only other mainstream store with a Adult section...
3DLoki
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Sun, Jul 05Bobb: Ownership transfer was 2 months ago, the checkout issue has only been 1 month.
3DSaga: ALL items shown on Renderotica (community site that shows "ads" for ALL products in the network) have the same "Buy on Affiliated Site" buttons, some lead to CGbytes, some lead to Renderotique anything not truly "NSFW" can be bought via CGbytes, anything that is 100% NSFW can only be bought via Renderotique. FWIW, Paypal does not and will not process NSFW content, never have and prob never will, ANYTHING considered NSFW (and TONS of other things) REQUIRE what is called "High Risk Processing" in order to be sold legitimately online (Honestly the list is HUGE, Google "What types of products require high risk processing?" and you'll see how vast the spectrum really is.
diogenese19348: I am aware that that happened in the past, and I can also tell you that legally it was NOT the proper way to have run things, it STILL leaves a "paper trail" and could very well cost a company their ability to sell online by trying to get around the "laws" Nothing can be bought via Renderotique because Renderotique doesn't have processing, because the prior team lost processing over a year ago and routed everything through CGbytes hoping they would not get caught, we're NOT going to risk it, so as soon as we discovered the issue we shut down Renderotiqe's checkout and started taking the steps to acquire new HRP for that site, as well as subjecting to numerous audits, getting re certified for our PCI compliance and much more behind the scenes.
kwerkx: it's not the "Store" that's high risk, it's the type of content itself, as I said above, certain types of content MUST have HRP in order to legally be sold online, it's because these types of content have a history of fraud and or chargebacks, the crummy thing is just because Renderotique products are considered NSFW it's NOT the same as actual NSFW content like an Only Fans membership, Porn site membership or sex toys, outside of the comics and image sets sold via Renderotique, our "NSFW Products" are only really NSFW after the customer installs it into Daz and adds more to it, here's a great example for you that's also one hell of a head scratcher...
We sell a bondage chair for Daz, if the promos are JUST the chair itself at multiple angles then it's fine to sell on CGbytes, BUT the moment you put a "human figure" in the chair, nude or clothed that product is now considered to be NSFW
3DSaga: ALL items shown on Renderotica (community site that shows "ads" for ALL products in the network) have the same "Buy on Affiliated Site" buttons, some lead to CGbytes, some lead to Renderotique anything not truly "NSFW" can be bought via CGbytes, anything that is 100% NSFW can only be bought via Renderotique. FWIW, Paypal does not and will not process NSFW content, never have and prob never will, ANYTHING considered NSFW (and TONS of other things) REQUIRE what is called "High Risk Processing" in order to be sold legitimately online (Honestly the list is HUGE, Google "What types of products require high risk processing?" and you'll see how vast the spectrum really is.
diogenese19348: I am aware that that happened in the past, and I can also tell you that legally it was NOT the proper way to have run things, it STILL leaves a "paper trail" and could very well cost a company their ability to sell online by trying to get around the "laws" Nothing can be bought via Renderotique because Renderotique doesn't have processing, because the prior team lost processing over a year ago and routed everything through CGbytes hoping they would not get caught, we're NOT going to risk it, so as soon as we discovered the issue we shut down Renderotiqe's checkout and started taking the steps to acquire new HRP for that site, as well as subjecting to numerous audits, getting re certified for our PCI compliance and much more behind the scenes.
kwerkx: it's not the "Store" that's high risk, it's the type of content itself, as I said above, certain types of content MUST have HRP in order to legally be sold online, it's because these types of content have a history of fraud and or chargebacks, the crummy thing is just because Renderotique products are considered NSFW it's NOT the same as actual NSFW content like an Only Fans membership, Porn site membership or sex toys, outside of the comics and image sets sold via Renderotique, our "NSFW Products" are only really NSFW after the customer installs it into Daz and adds more to it, here's a great example for you that's also one hell of a head scratcher...
We sell a bondage chair for Daz, if the promos are JUST the chair itself at multiple angles then it's fine to sell on CGbytes, BUT the moment you put a "human figure" in the chair, nude or clothed that product is now considered to be NSFW
diogenese19348
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Sun, Jul 05That's a reasonable explanation and for my part, I'll forget this thread exists
As far as I know, PayPal doesn't like processing sales of NSFW content. So I could imagine that Renderotique has come under their scrutiny. This also aligns with the recent switch to payments via cgbytes (the SFW branch of 'rotica).
I don't know if my products are available there again yet, but because of the losses over the past few weeks, I've started offering some of my projects here as well. I think that's fair - even if the projects are actually tagged as 'Exclusive' there ...
I don't know if my products are available there again yet, but because of the losses over the past few weeks, I've started offering some of my projects here as well. I think that's fair - even if the projects are actually tagged as 'Exclusive' there ...
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3DLoki
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Sun, Jul 05it's not that they don't like it, they flat our refuse it, and if and when they catch you selling NSFW content through them they ban your account, keep your money (and all your vendor's money mind you) and they CAN (and have in the past) 'blacklist' your company to where NO processor will process for you. Paypal has nothing to do with Renderotique, the prior team lost the HRP for Renderotique and instead of doing the proper thing and acquiring a new HRP they just routed everything through CGbytes and crossed their fingers of not getting caught.
After the ownership change May 1st, it was discovered a few weeks later that the HRP for Renderotique was gone, and everything was being routed through CGbytes, few meetings later we quickly took the steps to change the routing to how it should be, removed the checkout process for Renderotique and from there we've been in talks with multiple HRP's to be able to get Renderotique back up and running as normal. In the meantime we've been identifying products that COULD be "moved" to CGbytes either by removing some promos, editing the promos or by creating brand new "reference promos" to be shown on CGbytes. (All org promos, main images and thumbs are still shown on the product's Renderotica display pages)
As for your own catalog, as of me typing this, 33 of your 97 products are currently on CGbytes with no issues, more of your catalog COULD be moved to CGbytes with promo changes (IE your pants product is fine but has nude promos, that can go on CGbytes for obvious reasons, meanwhile the "stained clothing" prob will not fly at all on CGbytes along with with.... facial materials / sex poses.
We know this is frustrating for all involved, and we are doing our best to find and implement ways to get as many products moved over to CGbytes as possible while we keep dealing with the multiple HRP we're in talks with.
Sure we could just 'cheat' and do what other stores do with similar content, but please keep in mind, we've been around since 1999 and we have no plans of having to shut down for operating under non legal methods.
As for 'Exclusive' items being in multiple stores right now, I'm going to say this as a vendor myself first and foremost, IF I had exclusive products in a store that could NOT be sold due to the store having no checkout, then I see no issue putting those products elsewhere to sell in the meantime. so as far as I am concerned you are 100% fine with that as long as those products can not be bought there.
Now (not you per say) Can we please let this thread die and if you all have any questions just use one of the many threads over there, I realllllly like keeping my vendor life and work life separate AKA "Loki" is not the Admin over there and i reallllllly try to keep "Loki" as ONLY my vendor / artist identity, but at the same time, I also can't help myself from responding to stuff like this because as a vendor myself, I totally feel the pain and frustration vendors have over the situation happening over there, so I jump in threads like these, break my own "rules" and answer questions, explain things etc.
But if I have to keep doing that, it's not the best "look" to the site owners and admins here, they might not be able to understand the full context of WHY I reply here. I reply here simply as a fellow vendor of multiple marketplaces, and someone, who under a diff name, just so happens to have the actual answers to the questions asked.
After the ownership change May 1st, it was discovered a few weeks later that the HRP for Renderotique was gone, and everything was being routed through CGbytes, few meetings later we quickly took the steps to change the routing to how it should be, removed the checkout process for Renderotique and from there we've been in talks with multiple HRP's to be able to get Renderotique back up and running as normal. In the meantime we've been identifying products that COULD be "moved" to CGbytes either by removing some promos, editing the promos or by creating brand new "reference promos" to be shown on CGbytes. (All org promos, main images and thumbs are still shown on the product's Renderotica display pages)
As for your own catalog, as of me typing this, 33 of your 97 products are currently on CGbytes with no issues, more of your catalog COULD be moved to CGbytes with promo changes (IE your pants product is fine but has nude promos, that can go on CGbytes for obvious reasons, meanwhile the "stained clothing" prob will not fly at all on CGbytes along with with.... facial materials / sex poses.
We know this is frustrating for all involved, and we are doing our best to find and implement ways to get as many products moved over to CGbytes as possible while we keep dealing with the multiple HRP we're in talks with.
Sure we could just 'cheat' and do what other stores do with similar content, but please keep in mind, we've been around since 1999 and we have no plans of having to shut down for operating under non legal methods.
As for 'Exclusive' items being in multiple stores right now, I'm going to say this as a vendor myself first and foremost, IF I had exclusive products in a store that could NOT be sold due to the store having no checkout, then I see no issue putting those products elsewhere to sell in the meantime. so as far as I am concerned you are 100% fine with that as long as those products can not be bought there.
Now (not you per say) Can we please let this thread die and if you all have any questions just use one of the many threads over there, I realllllly like keeping my vendor life and work life separate AKA "Loki" is not the Admin over there and i reallllllly try to keep "Loki" as ONLY my vendor / artist identity, but at the same time, I also can't help myself from responding to stuff like this because as a vendor myself, I totally feel the pain and frustration vendors have over the situation happening over there, so I jump in threads like these, break my own "rules" and answer questions, explain things etc.
But if I have to keep doing that, it's not the best "look" to the site owners and admins here, they might not be able to understand the full context of WHY I reply here. I reply here simply as a fellow vendor of multiple marketplaces, and someone, who under a diff name, just so happens to have the actual answers to the questions asked.
3DSaga
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Sun, Jul 05Thanks for taking the time to answer our questions. While people are working hard to get the site working properly, as a buyer, I don't see much happening so it's good to hear from you that efforts are underway.
PasahRi
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Sun, Jul 05@3DLoki
Thank you very much for this insight, the clarification, and the time you took to do this
I wasn't trying to complain at all - I just wanted to share my thoughts on PayPal vs NSFW. Actually, this wasn't supposed to be a new post; it was meant to be part of Bobb's sub-thread (posted 16 hours ago, right above this one). But I hadn't had enough coffee yet when I posted my comment
I know my cgbytes projects are up and running. A few more will be added soon. Basically, I really like the cgbytes / 'rotica combo
So, as far as I'm concerned: everything's fine (except for the NSFW bucks
Have a great day
Thank you very much for this insight, the clarification, and the time you took to do this
I wasn't trying to complain at all - I just wanted to share my thoughts on PayPal vs NSFW. Actually, this wasn't supposed to be a new post; it was meant to be part of Bobb's sub-thread (posted 16 hours ago, right above this one). But I hadn't had enough coffee yet when I posted my comment
I know my cgbytes projects are up and running. A few more will be added soon. Basically, I really like the cgbytes / 'rotica combo
So, as far as I'm concerned: everything's fine (except for the NSFW bucks
Have a great day
Well with renderhub actively trying to commit market suicide 'Rotica will quickly take back their market share
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BeastGohanofTruth
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Tue, Jul 07YEP! They OGs are back on board with the site and they even said they don't plan on stopping to sell NSFW and allow Adultr Imagery on their site.
They are looking for better payers that aren't linked to Visa/Mastercard...
They are looking for better payers that aren't linked to Visa/Mastercard...
Bobb
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Tue, Jul 07Sick-n-twisted'Otica is still stumbling around doing nothing. I see the adult creators moving to places like Deviant Art and simply getting creative about how their items are presented. Us weirdos will know what we're looking at even through the disguises.
I can see vendors accepting money orders delivered via the good old Post Office or using crypto. The self-righteous religious nuts can't stop that.
I can see vendors accepting money orders delivered via the good old Post Office or using crypto. The self-righteous religious nuts can't stop that.
BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08Thing is, not all people who believe in a Higher power, are like that.
The RELGIOUS, ie ZIONIST people maybe acting like this, but ones that are faithful, are going through thier own trials and times of trouble.
I'm a faithful man, but I know all of this is just FICTION and not real. Yes being addicted to it, can lead to your life being in ruin, I understand that, but trying to CENSOR and CONTROL what we can or can't make, is literally 1984 and people have had ENOUGH, and now the Overton Window is going to HIT these Corpos in the ass, especially Visa/Mastercard...
The RELGIOUS, ie ZIONIST people maybe acting like this, but ones that are faithful, are going through thier own trials and times of trouble.
I'm a faithful man, but I know all of this is just FICTION and not real. Yes being addicted to it, can lead to your life being in ruin, I understand that, but trying to CENSOR and CONTROL what we can or can't make, is literally 1984 and people have had ENOUGH, and now the Overton Window is going to HIT these Corpos in the ass, especially Visa/Mastercard...
RenderStar_6980
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Thu, Jul 09Some souls wanna control you here... because they cant on the other side. These people are sad really. They preach its for the greater good! Let's see how many skeletons are in these peoples closet. Bow down and worship your corporate and government masters as they fill you with fear.
The dark side is back:
https://www.renderotica.com/community/forums.aspx?g=posts&t=285433#post564838
Now Bobb just needs to sort out the issue with his password and login
https://www.renderotica.com/community/forums.aspx?g=posts&t=285433#post564838
Now Bobb just needs to sort out the issue with his password and login
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Bobb
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Wed, Jul 15I don't think I'm going to bother. They banned/deleted my account for no reason and I'm not going to beg.
Sade from 3D Shards has a new naughty site that folks are flocking to. I'll spend my money there.
Sade from 3D Shards has a new naughty site that folks are flocking to. I'll spend my money there.
Pushee-Ri
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Wed, Jul 15@Bobb
That's sad to hear—and begging and pleading wouldn't be my style either.
On the other hand.... Teronsuke ('rotica) mentioned here in a conversation with another user that someone from the previous administration was a bit... overzealous / stupid / whatever. That user was also banned... and is now back on the dark side. Just give it some more thought (if you’d like) (even if it’s just so you don’t miss any of my projects there
That's sad to hear—and begging and pleading wouldn't be my style either.
On the other hand.... Teronsuke ('rotica) mentioned here in a conversation with another user that someone from the previous administration was a bit... overzealous / stupid / whatever. That user was also banned... and is now back on the dark side. Just give it some more thought (if you’d like) (even if it’s just so you don’t miss any of my projects there
PasahRi
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Wed, Jul 15@Bobb
Hey Bobb, check out the comment 3D Loki posted a little further up (it's currently the last post under Roxy's picture)
Hey Bobb, check out the comment 3D Loki posted a little further up (it's currently the last post under Roxy's picture)
Hellcat
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Wed, Jul 15@Bobb
Can you link to the new site? The only 18+ site listed under Sibling Sites is Cygnus Station, which is some kind of sci-fi story and not an adult content store.
Can you link to the new site? The only 18+ site listed under Sibling Sites is Cygnus Station, which is some kind of sci-fi story and not an adult content store.
Neve thinked that DA is a good place for sell 3D item,is a great place for promozione,but not for sale.
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3DLoki
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Wed, Jul 15Yeah, I tried selling stuff over there, never got any play, had to pay monthly fee just to be able to sell there as well.
I know a few people who do so/so selling there, but DA takes a cut, plus only pays out in points, then you have to convert points to cash and you loose even more, at that rate I'd rather just sell at Daz where my $20+ product could net me under $1.00 because discounts can stack to like 95% off lol
I know a few people who do so/so selling there, but DA takes a cut, plus only pays out in points, then you have to convert points to cash and you loose even more, at that rate I'd rather just sell at Daz where my $20+ product could net me under $1.00 because discounts can stack to like 95% off lol
diogenese19348
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Wed, Jul 15As far as I can see the only good point about DAZ for vendors is volume. If you can't sell in volume, it just isn't worth the hassle.
Ext3nd Studio
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Wed, Jul 15That's true, and DA is a great place for commission, posting renders, and a lot of things. But not for sale 3D Items.
Dareshiranu
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Wed, Jul 15Not to mention the sheer difficulty of finding anything that's specifically for sale for Daz or anything else. Or if there is a reliable method, I've yet to discover it and I fancy myself a data miner of some small skill.
Ext3nd Studio
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Wed, Jul 15You speak about DeviantArt? No, there are many creator who give their creations for free, post tutorial, and many other things. And are all great people. But who want sell 3D items don't do this trought DA.
Dareshiranu
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Wed, Jul 15I don't dispute that there are many creators offering items on DA freely or otherwise. What I would argue is the ease with which locating them is accomplished. As in there is no ease.
Ext3nd Studio
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Thu, Jul 16You've absolutely right, also because DA is for a various kind of artist, not only 3D user.
After the purge, various links and ideas for NSFW content have been floating around here and in other threads - things I personally consider 'unsafe candidates':
Your own website: a bad idea, since most web hosting providers prohibit the display of erotic (and especially 18+) images. And if you then want to sell 'Downloadable 3D products' through your website, things get really complicated: direct sales won't work, since most service providers (PayP..., etc.) prohibit private sellers from trading in erotic or 18+ products. That's why, for example, selling NSFW material on Gumroad is prohibited.
Mini and Micro Platforms: Here, I can only advise every 3D artist and every 3D developer to not only review the TOS very carefully, but also to understand how financial transactions are handled on the platform. 'Downloadable 3D products' always require the involvement of an HRP provider... and the contract with the provider must include consent to sell NSFW products. If this isn't the case, sooner or later the same thing will happen to the mini platform as it did here on RH - meaning the gallery is gone, the store is gone, everything is gone...
For the reasons mentioned above, I highly suggest that every 3D artist and 3D product developer give the dark original site for NSFW products a try.
And when you see the enthusiasm, flair, and great ideas with which the new admins (who are actually the people who developed the platform) are breathing new life into it and making it even better, you might just find yourself caught up in that enthusiasm
Your own website: a bad idea, since most web hosting providers prohibit the display of erotic (and especially 18+) images. And if you then want to sell 'Downloadable 3D products' through your website, things get really complicated: direct sales won't work, since most service providers (PayP..., etc.) prohibit private sellers from trading in erotic or 18+ products. That's why, for example, selling NSFW material on Gumroad is prohibited.
Mini and Micro Platforms: Here, I can only advise every 3D artist and every 3D developer to not only review the TOS very carefully, but also to understand how financial transactions are handled on the platform. 'Downloadable 3D products' always require the involvement of an HRP provider... and the contract with the provider must include consent to sell NSFW products. If this isn't the case, sooner or later the same thing will happen to the mini platform as it did here on RH - meaning the gallery is gone, the store is gone, everything is gone...
For the reasons mentioned above, I highly suggest that every 3D artist and 3D product developer give the dark original site for NSFW products a try.
And when you see the enthusiasm, flair, and great ideas with which the new admins (who are actually the people who developed the platform) are breathing new life into it and making it even better, you might just find yourself caught up in that enthusiasm
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PasahRi
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Sat, Jul 25And if you're a 3D product developer looking to take a two-pronged approach (i.e., publish on two platforms), take a look at this description: that's exactly how it should be done, so you have another safe haven for your products:
https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/99312/after-hours
https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/99312/after-hours
I had the privilege of being invited to the platform that Bobb linked to above (Wed, Jul 15), and I'd like to give you a quick preview:
The shop is very well-organized and stands out with its clean design and large product thumbnails. The age verification required for both buyers and sellers is pleasantly simple (I've seen very different processes elsewhere). You can choose from three options, of which PayPal is the easiest and most secure. Ultimately, it's just a matter of verifying that you're the account holder of the registered bank account (and therefore of legal age). Easy-peasy! Something else that might be of interest to some: there are also image collections / Graphiv Nouvelles available.
My take for users/customers: a definite 'GO!' if you're interested in well-curated softcore erotica with a touch of kinkyness. But don't expect an alternative to the dark side - the platform can't, won't, and doesn't want to be that.
As a potential vendor, you must first have your submitted portfolio (products, images, etc.) reviewed before you are invited to join. This is intended to ensure consistent quality of the products offered.
It takes a little getting used to using the shop and adding products to it, since it wasn't programmed specifically for the platform - instead, it uses a well-known shop template (which, luckily, I was already familiar with from Nena's shop). But I think: if I can do it, you can definitely do it too
The products are being tested! I therefore recommend submitting only products that are 100% DAZ-compliant - that is, those with the Pawlow Appeal: Dong -> Woof And as mentioned: this is strictly for SoftCore+ products! You can read the TOS regarding promos, etc., for yourselves.
My take for providers: Thanks to the HRP contract and age verification, it's a safe haven for providers of tasteful erotic content. However, anyone looking to offer more extreme content (no, I'm not just talking about BDSM, which I can't stand) has almost no chance there and is better off sticking with the original dark site.
The shop is very well-organized and stands out with its clean design and large product thumbnails. The age verification required for both buyers and sellers is pleasantly simple (I've seen very different processes elsewhere). You can choose from three options, of which PayPal is the easiest and most secure. Ultimately, it's just a matter of verifying that you're the account holder of the registered bank account (and therefore of legal age). Easy-peasy! Something else that might be of interest to some: there are also image collections / Graphiv Nouvelles available.
My take for users/customers: a definite 'GO!' if you're interested in well-curated softcore erotica with a touch of kinkyness. But don't expect an alternative to the dark side - the platform can't, won't, and doesn't want to be that.
As a potential vendor, you must first have your submitted portfolio (products, images, etc.) reviewed before you are invited to join. This is intended to ensure consistent quality of the products offered.
It takes a little getting used to using the shop and adding products to it, since it wasn't programmed specifically for the platform - instead, it uses a well-known shop template (which, luckily, I was already familiar with from Nena's shop). But I think: if I can do it, you can definitely do it too
The products are being tested! I therefore recommend submitting only products that are 100% DAZ-compliant - that is, those with the Pawlow Appeal: Dong -> Woof
And as mentioned: this is strictly for SoftCore+ products! You can read the TOS regarding promos, etc., for yourselves.My take for providers: Thanks to the HRP contract and age verification, it's a safe haven for providers of tasteful erotic content. However, anyone looking to offer more extreme content (no, I'm not just talking about BDSM, which I can't stand) has almost no chance there and is better off sticking with the original dark site.
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AnasSecret
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Fri, Jul 31So after a while for research: You're right, it looks promising. Professional approach to avoid minors as users or "content". To be honest, that's all you can do as a website owner.
Howevr my warning lights turned on when I learned so little about the how of verification and have to create an account first. But I am also above average sensitive in such questions
Howevr my warning lights turned on when I learned so little about the how of verification and have to create an account first. But I am also above average sensitive in such questions
Pushee-Ri
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Fri, Jul 31@AnasSecret
'However my warning lights turned on....'
I totally get where you're coming from. I was in a similar situation once (the platform wasn't based in Hungary like Shards/dazzelier, but in Estonia, the U.S., or somewhere else): I put together a great portfolio... and got a very rude rejection.
That hurts our creative souls more than the popanses on the other end think (if they even can think
However, if your portfolio or projects stray a bit from the usual monotony of the DAZ mainstream and you run into a half-baked decision-maker with Pavlovian DAZ conditioning—who, due to that conditioning and an inability to see beyond their very limited horizons, fails to recognize the quality of your portfolio... then either give them a second chance (discussion) ... or just give him the bird right away
Some—like ‘rotica/cgbytes’—deserve our work and the fact that we use them as platforms... others don't deserve our projects or us. No bucks for shmocks
'However my warning lights turned on....'
I totally get where you're coming from. I was in a similar situation once (the platform wasn't based in Hungary like Shards/dazzelier, but in Estonia, the U.S., or somewhere else): I put together a great portfolio... and got a very rude rejection.
That hurts our creative souls more than the popanses on the other end think (if they even can think
However, if your portfolio or projects stray a bit from the usual monotony of the DAZ mainstream and you run into a half-baked decision-maker with Pavlovian DAZ conditioning—who, due to that conditioning and an inability to see beyond their very limited horizons, fails to recognize the quality of your portfolio... then either give them a second chance (discussion) ... or just give him the bird right away
Some—like ‘rotica/cgbytes’—deserve our work and the fact that we use them as platforms... others don't deserve our projects or us. No bucks for shmocks
Pushee-Ri
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Fri, Jul 31@dr_lizardo
Softcore is, of course, a matter of perspective. Since one of my NSFW interests revolves around certain fluids on skin or clothing (Stained Clothes), everything else is just softcore to me LOL
So far, I've seen the following on the platform: pubis, male genitals, and lezzies having a lot of oral fun. So it also depends on how the products are used (and the camera angle chosen for the scene) to turn the products on offer into either tasteful eroticism... or perhaps more hardcore ...
The platform operators simply ask that you exercise a little restraint when creating the promotional images and the main promotional image. In other words, you won't see any thumbnails or promos there like the ones you're used to seeing on the dark side.
Softcore is, of course, a matter of perspective. Since one of my NSFW interests revolves around certain fluids on skin or clothing (Stained Clothes), everything else is just softcore to me LOL
So far, I've seen the following on the platform: pubis, male genitals, and lezzies having a lot of oral fun. So it also depends on how the products are used (and the camera angle chosen for the scene) to turn the products on offer into either tasteful eroticism... or perhaps more hardcore ...
The platform operators simply ask that you exercise a little restraint when creating the promotional images and the main promotional image. In other words, you won't see any thumbnails or promos there like the ones you're used to seeing on the dark side.
Aeon Flux
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Sat, Aug 01I don`t know does it help to judge, but have a banned words list.
https://dazzelier.com/banned-words-list/
https://dazzelier.com/banned-words-list/
AnasSecret
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Sat, Aug 01Oh, I didn't even get to the registration! I think I'm just the most horrible customer you can imagine. That's all The purchases I did not make far exceed the successful completions.
To get an impression: You demand my address and phone number when I only wanted to download a free tutorial first?
You hide products: not behind blurring. Not behind "more" (which must be unlocked first (if X)). But deny their entire existence, and send me into a 404 dead end, as if the product didn't exist at all?
Or: 70 percent of your site consists of advertising for special offers, ALWAYS, which gives me the feeling: Don't buy now, read everything first. And even then I buy with a bad feeling. Because maybe I had to wait for the full moon? Should I have wishlisted the product before? Should I have left a comment on the creator's page?
And Dazzelier fell into my personal trap "until X" (a 'one-time 18+ verification', which in itself would be perfectly fine) – but without clarifying **what does X mean**! Okay, I know what it is NOT (no separate AgeVerif account, not this, not that...).
Are you kidding me??? These are your contract conditions! You couldn't hide it behind such a babbeling!
(Please read the text as a satirical post and humorous critique of business practices in general! + to illustrate my statement above ("I'm just the most horrible customer you can imagine"). + because I really like the verification approach)
The purchases I did not make far exceed the successful completions.To get an impression: You demand my address and phone number when I only wanted to download a free tutorial first?
You hide products: not behind blurring. Not behind "more" (which must be unlocked first (if X)). But deny their entire existence, and send me into a 404 dead end, as if the product didn't exist at all?
Or: 70 percent of your site consists of advertising for special offers, ALWAYS, which gives me the feeling: Don't buy now, read everything first. And even then I buy with a bad feeling. Because maybe I had to wait for the full moon? Should I have wishlisted the product before? Should I have left a comment on the creator's page?
And Dazzelier fell into my personal trap "until X" (a 'one-time 18+ verification', which in itself would be perfectly fine) – but without clarifying **what does X mean**! Okay, I know what it is NOT (no separate AgeVerif account, not this, not that...).
Are you kidding me??? These are your contract conditions! You couldn't hide it behind such a babbeling!
(Please read the text as a satirical post and humorous critique of business practices in general! + to illustrate my statement above ("I'm just the most horrible customer you can imagine"). + because I really like the verification approach)
Aeon Flux
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Sat, Aug 01Regarding the "one-time 18+ verification": it really is exactly that—your age is verified only once for your account. There is no separate AgeVerif account to maintain, and you won't be asked to repeat the verification every time you visit or make a purchase. We'll have another look at the wording to see if we can make that clearer for first-time visitors.
https://dazzelier.com/how-to-verify-your-age-on-dazzelier/
on main page to tutorial.
https://dazzelier.com/how-to-verify-your-age-on-dazzelier/
on main page to tutorial.
Aeon Flux
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Sat, Aug 01(I suggest indeed Paypal Verification, i think that is the most easy)
Aeon Flux
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Sat, Aug 01No need any address or log in to read the free tutorial. O.o It`s an article, read free by anybody.
Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Aug 01@AnasSecret
Um... are we talking about the same platform? Honestly—I haven't seen a single freebie there, for example, or an overabundance of ads, etc.
That said, I do admit that the freebie issue you’re describing sounds familiar from Nena’s platform (which used the same template). In Nena’s case, though, it was more of a template that had been set up incorrectly and incompletely.
And as for the “until Xpart: Be patient, my friend... and enjoy the anticipation
Um... are we talking about the same platform? Honestly—I haven't seen a single freebie there, for example, or an overabundance of ads, etc.
That said, I do admit that the freebie issue you’re describing sounds familiar from Nena’s platform (which used the same template). In Nena’s case, though, it was more of a template that had been set up incorrectly and incompletely.
And as for the “until Xpart: Be patient, my friend... and enjoy the anticipation
Aeon Flux
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Sat, Aug 01Pushee-Ri: I thought she think on the tutorial link, maybe, don`t know, its able to read to anybody. I am searching the until X part, can you help me with it? We tried to be very clear it`s one time verification.
Thank you
Thank you
Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Aug 01@Aeon
Thanks for the list
But—as mentioned above—ultimately, it’s always just about HOW a product is used… and not how it’s described or shown in restrained promos. That’s what I tried to explain to dr_lizardo.
For example, I’m more than sure that I could easily create a scene from any of my remaining 10 SFW products (I’m currently closing my shop here) that would make any NSFW porn star blush
Thanks for the list
But—as mentioned above—ultimately, it’s always just about HOW a product is used… and not how it’s described or shown in restrained promos. That’s what I tried to explain to dr_lizardo.
For example, I’m more than sure that I could easily create a scene from any of my remaining 10 SFW products (I’m currently closing my shop here) that would make any NSFW porn star blush
Aeon Flux
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Sat, Aug 01Exactly.
The banned words list is only a small part of the picture. Context is always much more important than individual words or even a single promotional image, which is why every submission is reviewed by a real person.
Our goal is to build a **premium NSFW marketplace**. I know that combination sounds a little strange at first. But looking at the quality of the products and artists who have joined us so far, I honestly think we're heading in the right direction.
We're still a young platform, so we're learning and improving every day, and feedback like this genuinely helps us get there. Thank you for being part of it! <3
The banned words list is only a small part of the picture. Context is always much more important than individual words or even a single promotional image, which is why every submission is reviewed by a real person.
Our goal is to build a **premium NSFW marketplace**. I know that combination sounds a little strange at first. But looking at the quality of the products and artists who have joined us so far, I honestly think we're heading in the right direction.
We're still a young platform, so we're learning and improving every day, and feedback like this genuinely helps us get there. Thank you for being part of it! <3
AnasSecret
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Sat, Aug 01@Pushee-Ri
At the moment the shop is not working (and as far as I've read it shouldn't work while the test phase). It was an example from 3DSHards website and I assumed: If Dazzelier already hides the meaning of their contractual terms (and leaves no choice with the cookies), they will certainly not be more sensitive in the ordering process.
At the moment the shop is not working (and as far as I've read it shouldn't work while the test phase). It was an example from 3DSHards website and I assumed: If Dazzelier already hides the meaning of their contractual terms (and leaves no choice with the cookies), they will certainly not be more sensitive in the ordering process.
Aeon Flux
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Sat, Aug 01Fair enough.
Actually, we're trying to be as transparent as possible. That's why we've already published our policies, the age verification guide, tutorials, FAQs, and just about everything we could think of before opening the platform.
That said, there's always a curse when you're building something yourself: after reading the same pages a hundred times, you stop noticing what's obvious only to you.
So if you stumble across something that's unclear, missing, or simply makes you think, "Wait... what does that actually mean?"—please tell us. Seriously. We'd much rather improve it than assume everyone reads it the way we intended.
After all, our goal is to build a premium NSFW marketplace. That may sound like an oxymoron , but looking at the artists and products we've welcomed so far, I think we're off to a pretty good start. And constructive feedback like yours only helps us make it better.
Actually, we're trying to be as transparent as possible. That's why we've already published our policies, the age verification guide, tutorials, FAQs, and just about everything we could think of before opening the platform.
That said, there's always a curse when you're building something yourself: after reading the same pages a hundred times, you stop noticing what's obvious only to you.
So if you stumble across something that's unclear, missing, or simply makes you think, "Wait... what does that actually mean?"—please tell us. Seriously. We'd much rather improve it than assume everyone reads it the way we intended.
After all, our goal is to build a premium NSFW marketplace. That may sound like an oxymoron , but looking at the artists and products we've welcomed so far, I think we're off to a pretty good start. And constructive feedback like yours only helps us make it better.
Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Aug 01@AnasSecret
By all the gods - what a load of crap! So maybe Nena hadn't set up her private shop wrong after all... but it's a huge and totally uncool bug in the shop template!!!! As I (as a programmer) always said: don't trust any code you didn't write yourself... and proceed with caution even with your own
By all the gods - what a load of crap! So maybe Nena hadn't set up her private shop wrong after all... but it's a huge and totally uncool bug in the shop template!!!! As I (as a programmer) always said: don't trust any code you didn't write yourself... and proceed with caution even with your own
Aeon Flux
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Sat, Aug 01100% WELL SAID
dr_lizardo
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Sat, Aug 01@Pushee-Ri
If fluids are OK, that's definitely beyond Cinemax! (probably showing my age there)
I ask because I had some, um, special purpose pose packs in my wishlist before The Purge that I'd been putting off getting because I didn't have a need for them yet (and funds are finite), and I've been hoping they'll land somewhere. I'm not into BDSM but there was penetration and lots of it. It would be tough to show the poses at all without tab P going into slot V
If fluids are OK, that's definitely beyond Cinemax! (probably showing my age there)
I ask because I had some, um, special purpose pose packs in my wishlist before The Purge that I'd been putting off getting because I didn't have a need for them yet (and funds are finite), and I've been hoping they'll land somewhere. I'm not into BDSM but there was penetration and lots of it. It would be tough to show the poses at all without tab P going into slot V
Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Aug 01@dr_lizardo
Hmmm... I'm not sure if I understand you, or if this is about me, my projects, the platform we're talking about, or NSFW products in general. If you have the time and feel like it, feel free to send me a PM via Profile -> Contact (preferably in a bit less cryptic language). Then I can try to help you. OK?
Hmmm... I'm not sure if I understand you, or if this is about me, my projects, the platform we're talking about, or NSFW products in general. If you have the time and feel like it, feel free to send me a PM via Profile -> Contact (preferably in a bit less cryptic language). Then I can try to help you. OK?
FINo230fn
Karma: 110
Sun, Aug 02My anti-virus/firewall goes apeshiat on Dazzelier. It says that https://dazzelier.com has been detected with suspicious activity and that it's not recommended to continue browsing the site. What suspicious activity? It doesn't say.
Pushee-Ri
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Sun, Aug 02@FINo230fn
I'll forward your post to dazzelier. Let's see if we get a reply...
I'll forward your post to dazzelier. Let's see if we get a reply...
dr_lizardo
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Mon, Aug 03@Pushee-Ri
It's about the platform, and what products previously here on the Hub might reappear there. I'll PM you
It's about the platform, and what products previously here on the Hub might reappear there. I'll PM you
Pushee-Ri
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Mon, Aug 03@FINo230fn
The problem isn't with the dazzelier website, but with the firewall or antivirus scanner you're using (!) I found this out after a quick Google search: there's a bug in Bitdefender that triggers a false positive on sites using templates (such as the shop template for dazzelier). The same applies to other firewall and malware programs
Quote from Google search ' bitdefender template why false positive '
Bitdefender flags clean templates or document files as false positives due to overly aggressive heuristic scanning, structural resemblances to macro-based malware, or generic machine learning classifications.
The problem isn't with the dazzelier website, but with the firewall or antivirus scanner you're using (!) I found this out after a quick Google search: there's a bug in Bitdefender that triggers a false positive on sites using templates (such as the shop template for dazzelier). The same applies to other firewall and malware programs
Quote from Google search ' bitdefender template why false positive '
Bitdefender flags clean templates or document files as false positives due to overly aggressive heuristic scanning, structural resemblances to macro-based malware, or generic machine learning classifications.
TechWorks
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Tue, Aug 04Yikes! I wouldn't recommend anyone click that Dazzelier link above unless your device has good protection. My Bitdefender also went nuts with multiple warnings.
@Pushee-Ri
It is not reasonable to conclude that the problem isn't with the website based on a quick Google search.
Until there is actual evidence to the contrary, it is not wise for anyone to ignore the warnings flagged by their internet security software. That would be similar to ignoring a burglar alarm simply because it could be a false alarm.
@Pushee-Ri
It is not reasonable to conclude that the problem isn't with the website based on a quick Google search.
Until there is actual evidence to the contrary, it is not wise for anyone to ignore the warnings flagged by their internet security software. That would be similar to ignoring a burglar alarm simply because it could be a false alarm.
Pushee-Ri
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Tue, Aug 04@TechWorks
Just to set the record straight: it's a well-known fact that firewalls, malware scanners, etc., produce false positives when they encounter web templates (Shops, Galleries, Blogs,etc) .... but you know better and want to tell me something? Hats off to you - that's what I call brazen.
Just to set the record straight: it's a well-known fact that firewalls, malware scanners, etc., produce false positives when they encounter web templates (Shops, Galleries, Blogs,etc) .... but you know better and want to tell me something? Hats off to you - that's what I call brazen.
TechWorks
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Tue, Aug 04What, do you work for Dazzelier or something? LOL
Of course there can be false positives, but that doesn't mean people should ignore the warnings until they know FOR SURE that it's a false positive.
What we do know FOR SURE is at least three people have experienced this issue on Dazzelier. I just posted a Bitdefender screenshot here:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14889/problems-at-dazzelier-suspicious-activity-detected
And sorry, but your "well-known fact" claim doesn't make any sense at all. RenderHub is a "shop, gallery, blog" site, and Bitdefender isn't flagging anything for me here.
Of course there can be false positives, but that doesn't mean people should ignore the warnings until they know FOR SURE that it's a false positive.
What we do know FOR SURE is at least three people have experienced this issue on Dazzelier. I just posted a Bitdefender screenshot here:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14889/problems-at-dazzelier-suspicious-activity-detected
And sorry, but your "well-known fact" claim doesn't make any sense at all. RenderHub is a "shop, gallery, blog" site, and Bitdefender isn't flagging anything for me here.
Pushee-Ri
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Tue, Aug 04ROFL!
Take a look at your thread now: BOOOOMMMM - Toast!
FDIK and have a nice day
Take a look at your thread now: BOOOOMMMM - Toast!
FDIK and have a nice day
Bobb
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Tue, Aug 04@TechWorks might be working for Renderotica. I knew the folks that where victims in the MPE hack and takedown many years ago and with the original owners back in control of R'Otica, I'm not trusting them.
I knew the folks that where victims in the MPE hack and takedown many years ago and with the original owners back in control of R'Otica, I'm not trusting them.Pushee-Ri
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Tue, Aug 04@Bobb
Well, I trust the new people (operators) at 'rotica completely. But I know you had some issues with the previous administration there. That's really too bad
@TechWorks
Nope - I don't work for dazzelier. But if someone goes around spreading lies, I'd even defend Renderosity... even if it's through gritted teeth
So once again:
FDIK and have a grat day
Well, I trust the new people (operators) at 'rotica completely. But I know you had some issues with the previous administration there. That's really too bad
@TechWorks
Nope - I don't work for dazzelier. But if someone goes around spreading lies, I'd even defend Renderosity... even if it's through gritted teeth
So once again:
FDIK and have a grat day
TechWorks
Karma: 1,638
Wed, Aug 05@Pushee-Ri
What are you, 12? I thought you had to be an adult to start an account here. ROFL
And what are you celebrating? That someone else agrees that false positives can happen? We've known that all along, and nobody is disputing that.
This does not change the fact that the WARNINGS ARE STILL HAPPENING for whatever reason. If you think that's a good look for a website, I'm not sure I can help you understand - but I'll try one last time.
This is actually pretty simple: Own up to the problems and fix them, instead of trying to explain them away.
If you're an ambassador for Dazzelier, you're doing a terrible job at PR. I'll be staying as far away from that site as possible.
Since you seem to like screenshots, I'll be posting some new ones in that other thread.
What are you, 12? I thought you had to be an adult to start an account here. ROFL
And what are you celebrating? That someone else agrees that false positives can happen? We've known that all along, and nobody is disputing that.
This does not change the fact that the WARNINGS ARE STILL HAPPENING for whatever reason. If you think that's a good look for a website, I'm not sure I can help you understand - but I'll try one last time.
This is actually pretty simple: Own up to the problems and fix them, instead of trying to explain them away.
If you're an ambassador for Dazzelier, you're doing a terrible job at PR. I'll be staying as far away from that site as possible.
Since you seem to like screenshots, I'll be posting some new ones in that other thread.
@Pushee-Ri, @Aeon Flux
And on 3DShards you can't (or couldn't) delete your account yourself. You have to ask for support. That was also very uncool So, it is probably worth taking a look.
Despite all the criticism, problems are part of test phases. I understand completely. And: it doesnt have to be important to others what is important to me.
And on 3DShards you can't (or couldn't) delete your account yourself. You have to ask for support. That was also very uncool
So, it is probably worth taking a look.Despite all the criticism, problems are part of test phases. I understand completely. And: it doesnt have to be important to others what is important to me.
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AnasSecret
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Sun, Aug 02*sigh* Ceterum censeo: An edit function would be nice for the forum.
Sensualspirit
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Sun, Aug 02lol I just react to your edit function note, I think that would be great , I am realy bad keybor tiper, so I make a lot lot of tipo wen writing, and most of time Isee it only after posting, so most of my posts look writne by an epiliptic blind man lol
AnasSecret
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Mon, Aug 03I just don't know where so write this.
Small status report: I have now found everything I was looking for. Thanks for the tips. So just a small suggestion: Wherever one of the whole "UNLOCK! VERIFY YOURSELF! SIGN IN! SIGN IN!" pop-ups to set the link to the verification explanation. I had overlooked it because it got lost between the pop-ups and blurred pictures There are certainly more inattentive visitors.
And more importantly, Hungary is an EU member, isn't it? The Data Protection Regulation applies here. In other words, forced cookies are a no-go. You need at least an opt-out.
Small status report: I have now found everything I was looking for. Thanks for the tips. So just a small suggestion: Wherever one of the whole "UNLOCK! VERIFY YOURSELF! SIGN IN! SIGN IN!" pop-ups to set the link to the verification explanation. I had overlooked it because it got lost between the pop-ups and blurred pictures
There are certainly more inattentive visitors.And more importantly, Hungary is an EU member, isn't it? The Data Protection Regulation applies here. In other words, forced cookies are a no-go. You need at least an opt-out.