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Those of us who inhabit the dark and slippery slope of the bell curve will probably have seen the new post on Sick-n-Twisted'Otica regarding the retirement of one of the management staff. She was apparently one of the main drivers of the site. With the long and slow downturn of the place, I can see it shutting down before too long. There's very little new content, the forums see little activity, and they can't keep it going on only the galleries.
I've already messaged my favourite content creators that I'll follow them wherever they move to, suggesting that DeviantArt might be a spot for them to continue selling.
I've already messaged my favourite content creators that I'll follow them wherever they move to, suggesting that DeviantArt might be a spot for them to continue selling.
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I have not gone there for several years now since they IP banned me for the terrible crime of ... posting freebies
I don't go to DeviantArt any more either because there was so much monetized AI generated child porn
I don't go to DeviantArt any more either because there was so much monetized AI generated child porn
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Bobb
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Sat, May 02I'm a HUGE fan of DA and follow several hundred blogs. I have yet to see anything resembling kiddie porn.
Excessive
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Mon, May 04if they managed to clean it up, good for them, it was a daily thing there when I last logged in (around 2.5 years now)
Masterstroke
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Wed, May 06Oh, and not only AI-generated, but real life brutal, right on their front gallery page. I have reported those a...holes several times.
DA has in fact gotten better in responding to this.
And don't go into the forum section.
DA has in fact gotten better in responding to this.
And don't go into the forum section.
fvdom
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Wed, May 06That has not been my experience. I closed my account there years ago and opened a new one a few months ago in the hope that issue had been addressed. Within two days the AI stuff started showing up on the "Welcome New Users" area, despite having "Suppress AI" turned on, and I reported the same image 10+ times shared by 10+ accounts that were just a bunch of random letters and numbers. I ended up closing my new account because of it and won't go back unless they take same serious steps to improve moderation.
Why not suggest Renderhub's adult section as well? Honestly - on both sites, you'll find (with a few exceptions) the usual mix of props, poses, and fluids. I haven't seen anything truly disgusting on 'rotica in quite a while (for which I'm grateful).
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I don't mind sexual content and I am ok with pornography, but in fact 'otica has really sick content beyond that.
I'm having a personal beef with that side, because they kicked me out and banned me without a warning for a violation, I have not been aware of.
They banned me without having the chance of downloading purchased content or deleting my posts and pictures.
They even claimed, my uploaded renders were theirs now.
The following e-mail exchange has been nasty in tone.
I have no good wishes for that them and I'd love to see them going broke.
I'm having a personal beef with that side, because they kicked me out and banned me without a warning for a violation, I have not been aware of.
They banned me without having the chance of downloading purchased content or deleting my posts and pictures.
They even claimed, my uploaded renders were theirs now.
The following e-mail exchange has been nasty in tone.
I have no good wishes for that them and I'd love to see them going broke.
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Bobb
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Sat, May 02I echo your hatred of the people who run Renderotica. It's my understanding from the two people who started Male Poser Erotica some years back, that Andrew (now dead) from Renderotica was the one who had hired some hackers to take down MPE because it was competition for R'Otica. There was a court case and Andrew was found guilty but R'Otica held the position that he'd acted on his own so they weren't held liable.
I love the sick-n-twisted, way-off-the-deep-end creepy stuff but there's been nothing but variations on a theme for years now. There's nothing original. DirtierEddy no longer makes content and Davo is just doing the same old stuff. I've posted some suggestions and after many weeks and hundreds of views, gotten only one comment. I guess it's a different crowd now?
I love the sick-n-twisted, way-off-the-deep-end creepy stuff but there's been nothing but variations on a theme for years now. There's nothing original. DirtierEddy no longer makes content and Davo is just doing the same old stuff. I've posted some suggestions and after many weeks and hundreds of views, gotten only one comment. I guess it's a different crowd now?
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Sat, May 02It's literally run now by sick degenerates and Trans idiots. Same ones that used to run Slushe and even Affect3d.
All you see most of the time now is Futanari/Dickgirl disgusting shit...
All you see most of the time now is Futanari/Dickgirl disgusting shit...
Bobb
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Sun, May 03I'm one of the people secretly pushing our trans-friendly agenda on an unsuspecting world. It's a massively successful conspiracy and we have our tentacles everywhere. We where responsible for G9's gender neutral mesh and through various secret programs are indoctrinating the population.
.....and we're coming for you too gohanf22...
.....and we're coming for you too gohanf22...
thirdeyezennicai
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Sun, May 03it's real funny this guy is talking about degeneracy and his posts are usually women with comically large tits; I don't know why he's pretending he has some "moral high ground" but I rather he stick to posting just that than running his mouth on dumbass hateful conspiracy bullshit lmao
Bobb
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Sun, May 03It should be obvious that I'm poking fun at his posts.
No one would believe any of that stuff...would they?
It's along the same lines as flat earth, chem trails and tracking chips in vaccines.
No one would believe any of that stuff...would they?
It's along the same lines as flat earth, chem trails and tracking chips in vaccines.
thirdeyezennicai
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Sun, May 03oh no you're fine !! I totally understood your post, don't worry 
Bobb
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Sun, May 03Whew!.....I was worried that you didn't like me.
I'd love to be talented like that nuclear physicist, cosmologist, and something-else-ist who baits the flat earth community. He looks like a yahoo sitting there with his big goofy dog and gets them all wound up. Only then, when he appears to be backed into a corner does he unleash a torrent of empirical data. It's a scream.
I'd love to be talented like that nuclear physicist, cosmologist, and something-else-ist who baits the flat earth community. He looks like a yahoo sitting there with his big goofy dog and gets them all wound up. Only then, when he appears to be backed into a corner does he unleash a torrent of empirical data. It's a scream.
thirdeyezennicai
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Sun, May 03I used to troll conspiracy theorists when I was a little younger and making them question their beliefs but then it got to a point where the beliefs these days became too unhinged to even satirize D:
diogenese19348
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Wed, May 20Wait, the trans crowd is growing tentacles now? Does Cthulhu know?
I just had a look at Summoner's latest ( https://www.renderhub.com/summoner/summoner-s-and-aarc-3d-alienfreak-alpha ). It has no naughty parts whatsoever so I guess it's trans-alien? Or maybe it's a non-gender being. I thought that it resembles Homer Simpson so there's all kinds of bizarre possibilities there.
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Renderotica has been around for a long time. I have posted there for a long time. They do have some very draconian policies about competitive sites. But that given, they are a free place to post your erotic work, which almost no other sites allow. I was very pleased to see Renderhub allowing explicit sex being allowed in the gallery and its smart way of filtering to not upset people who don't want to see that type of work. None of the social media links offered on the profile page allow this kind of work. There a few hentai and gaming and cartoon sites, but nothing like the realistic work at Renderotica or Renderhub or Slushe, which has its own problems, like no one to talk to, no one to report issues, and no responses with crony placement of subpar work in the featured section . It's a virtual walled garden. The site has been broken for weeks and they know about it, and wont fix it. So the stable of places to post is very limited.
The 'Otica site is being sold and the management is in transition. The new owners were the original tech guys of the site and have promised to address the many problems. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. In the meantime, Renderhub offers more engagement and views than the other sites, so its my favorite now
The 'Otica site is being sold and the management is in transition. The new owners were the original tech guys of the site and have promised to address the many problems. I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. In the meantime, Renderhub offers more engagement and views than the other sites, so its my favorite now
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'Rotica is a site I frequent. I will say that I'm not into futa or the extreme gore/vore that some artists have or supply, but I just ignore it. It is possible to do that in my world. If I see something that's not to my taste, I tend not to get offended - it's not worth my time - I just move on. It's typically assets I'm on the lookout for anyway. Though I do succumb to the occasional comic buy. I like the hub, but the spigot flow of merch is neverending and often difficult to parse even for me, and I fancy myself a data miner.
There are no standards for descriptives in the product listings, which often makes determining whether a product is as interesting as it appears quite a quandary. For some artists I just have to buy a sample to see if I like the result or not - that will determine whether I continue to follow/purchase from them. But there are quite a few artists on here to be certain. It's also a bit of a pickle when they sell on multiple platforms and you've got to compare prices and double (or triple) check to insure that you (or certainly I) haven't already purchased an item.
There are no standards for descriptives in the product listings, which often makes determining whether a product is as interesting as it appears quite a quandary. For some artists I just have to buy a sample to see if I like the result or not - that will determine whether I continue to follow/purchase from them. But there are quite a few artists on here to be certain. It's also a bit of a pickle when they sell on multiple platforms and you've got to compare prices and double (or triple) check to insure that you (or certainly I) haven't already purchased an item.
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Wed, May 20There are filters you can set up to avoid seeing the material you would rather not view, fyi
and there are product reviews to view when looking at a product. But I share your experience where the product does not live up to your expectations, but that happens on every site that sells third party products
and there are product reviews to view when looking at a product. But I share your experience where the product does not live up to your expectations, but that happens on every site that sells third party products
My biggest problem with 'otica is it is such a royal PITA to download purchases. On the plus side, they are the only site I know of that has figured out how to remove the cost of owned items from bundles. I've never understood why nobody else is able to do that, including DAZ.
There already are a number of venders there that also have accounts here, and that number is growing.
There already are a number of venders there that also have accounts here, and that number is growing.
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Wed, May 20Daz already implemented owned items discount on bundles. A while back it was on special days, now is at any moment and work on both DO and PA products, even if you purchased a few minutes before. The moment you add the bundle where you already own at least one of the items, the price is recalculated.in your cart. It stacks with other promos, except when is a fixed value, on those cases there is no extra discount.
diogenese19348
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Wed, May 20I hadn't noticed that, thanks. I don't buy as much as I used to from DAZ because I really haven't taken to Genesis 9. I did sign on for the paid version because of it, I like to support programming. And bundles are usually all about characters, though there have been prop bundles from time to time.
I have to agree with you a little bit... and disagree a little bit at the same time 
You're right that things have been very quiet on 'rotica for quite a while. And unfortunately, the gallery isn't much fun anymore, since the AI Slope flood means that some gallery pages have more hidden (filtered) thumbnails than actual images.
On the other hand, a lot has happened there over the past week that is particularly interesting for DAZ Content developers. For one thing, I saw a flood of new products today that weren't online the day before. To be more precise, there are about 40 new products (identifiable by their SIDs). Also, the new team seems to be working on the large banners on the landing page and restoring the banner rotation, which has been on hold for about two years.
In addition, banners for products that have already been published can now be submitted (which wasn't possible before). And - something I also find interesting - they're looking into a way to upload separate banners for cgbytes and 'rotica.
All in all, these are definitely positive developments, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed for their success
You're right that things have been very quiet on 'rotica for quite a while. And unfortunately, the gallery isn't much fun anymore, since the AI Slope flood means that some gallery pages have more hidden (filtered) thumbnails than actual images.
On the other hand, a lot has happened there over the past week that is particularly interesting for DAZ Content developers. For one thing, I saw a flood of new products today that weren't online the day before. To be more precise, there are about 40 new products (identifiable by their SIDs). Also, the new team seems to be working on the large banners on the landing page and restoring the banner rotation, which has been on hold for about two years.
In addition, banners for products that have already been published can now be submitted (which wasn't possible before). And - something I also find interesting - they're looking into a way to upload separate banners for cgbytes and 'rotica.
All in all, these are definitely positive developments, and I'm keeping my fingers crossed for their success
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Bobb
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Sat, May 23Where are you seeing these new products? I visit the place religiously every morning and the only new item has been Davo's set, released during the week. Are you referring too comics and illustrations too?
Pushee-Ri
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Sat, May 23Nah—I'm talking about my Lazees (SKU 76400). The last one was SKU 76344 two days ago. As a DAZ developer, I'm referring to all products... as long as mine pass the testers without any errors
Bobb
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Sat, May 23Aaaah I see. So not everything that's new is shown in the 'What's new' panel.
3DLoki
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Sat, May 23Bobb: There's been 16 new releases since Davo's latest release. if you goto JUST the "store" tab it lists latest to oldest products by default, same as if you click on "new items" from the left side menu of the store page. Also make sure what your settings are because you might actually have some categories hidden.
The "What's New" panel on the right side of the main page only shows the 3 latest products (and the Premiere Advantage membership)
and that could change depending on your settings. IE if you have comics and images sets hidden then none of those would show up in that panel or on the Store catalog.
The "What's New" panel on the right side of the main page only shows the 3 latest products (and the Premiere Advantage membership)
and that could change depending on your settings. IE if you have comics and images sets hidden then none of those would show up in that panel or on the Store catalog.
I'm going to break a rule here so to speak, not a site rule but my own rule, I've always tried to keep my vendor life (3DLoki / Loki) and my work life (_________) separate but... since this thread is this thread.....
Just to be clear, it's NOT a "new" team, it's the 2nd org team back in control of the sites again...
Way back in the late 90's there was Renderosity, a split happened and Renderotica was created from the org exodus of Renderosity (some wanted adult products, some did not) That team lead ROT until the org owner Diane sold to Andrew (Ehjay) and he brought in his own crew over the next few years, (I got there in like 2011 or 2012 if memory is correct) THAT TEAM is who's back now. I don't know why the term "new" was org used in the forums, in a way it's true as it's diff people then who were running it for the past 8 years (I left 3 years ago but am back now) , but in more ways it's false because each person there now has over a decade of running the place under their belts.
YES new releases are flowing again, YES Featured banners are ALMOST ready to start fresh weekly or bi-weekly rotations again, the newsletters and contests will also be starting back up shortly as well.
As for featured banners that were not org submitted with the product now able to be submitted, that's not actually a "new" thing, but a thing that stopped after I left, but now it's back!
Last but not least, the promo group will be starting back up shortly to help kickstart the CGbytes gallery again as well as help vendors who need help with creating featured banners.
Hope that clears some stuff up, and I hope you enjoyed me breaking my little rule lol.
3DLoki / Teron
Just to be clear, it's NOT a "new" team, it's the 2nd org team back in control of the sites again...
Way back in the late 90's there was Renderosity, a split happened and Renderotica was created from the org exodus of Renderosity (some wanted adult products, some did not) That team lead ROT until the org owner Diane sold to Andrew (Ehjay) and he brought in his own crew over the next few years, (I got there in like 2011 or 2012 if memory is correct) THAT TEAM is who's back now. I don't know why the term "new" was org used in the forums, in a way it's true as it's diff people then who were running it for the past 8 years (I left 3 years ago but am back now) , but in more ways it's false because each person there now has over a decade of running the place under their belts.
YES new releases are flowing again, YES Featured banners are ALMOST ready to start fresh weekly or bi-weekly rotations again, the newsletters and contests will also be starting back up shortly as well.
As for featured banners that were not org submitted with the product now able to be submitted, that's not actually a "new" thing, but a thing that stopped after I left, but now it's back!
Last but not least, the promo group will be starting back up shortly to help kickstart the CGbytes gallery again as well as help vendors who need help with creating featured banners.
Hope that clears some stuff up, and I hope you enjoyed me breaking my little rule lol.
3DLoki / Teron
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Bobb
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Sat, May 23Thanks for that info. I'm visiting without logging in. My computer hard a hard crash a month ago when our power went out and I lost a bunch of passwords. I haven't bothered getting a new one.
diogenese19348
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Sat, May 23I had completely forgotten Diane was the original owner. That makes more sense now, thanks.
Excessive
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Sun, May 24the whole thing with me getting IP banned for trying to list my free content there left a super bad impression, no interest in trying to go back there any more \_()_/
This is the render, that got me banned from Rotica.
Well, after I asked politely, why women mutilated in the gallery is accepted, but my picture has been banned, without a chance of deleting renders, which they still show, claiming they are theirs now, and without the chance of downloading purchased content.
The e-mail exchange after being banned got nasty quickly.
The rotica admins are a bunch of bullies.
If I'd given a chance in participating bringing rotica down, I'd do it, no matter what.
Just saying.
I could have sneaked back in with another user name, but I decided not to.
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Masterstroke
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Sun, May 24Clarifying:
The picture got banned first, then I got banned after protesting.
The picture got banned first, then I got banned after protesting.
Jackolantern
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Sun, May 24I don't know the history but I can't think why that picture would have been banned. It's very realistic and could easily be a snapshot of a real person, the hair on the right indicates that it is not. She doesn't look like a child ( I know they forbid images of children ), her nose shape and face, and her height relative to the chair and window would lead me to think she's about 20?
3DLoki
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Sun, May 24I can't speak on what went on after I left, but I would agree that render getting banned is total BS, I remember that model well, you posted her very frequently, I remember personally posting those images on the socials more times then not, and the model looked 'the same' in most of the renders, so if that one was a "no no" why were all the others fine?
Plus the fact she's fully clothed... I'm sorry that happened to you.
Despite what happened then, I can assure you the admins now are anything but bullies, if you were by chance interested in coming back, let me know, with your history and with how your banning happened (IE I think I know exactly who you dealt with) I don't see it being an issue at all.
Plus the fact she's fully clothed... I'm sorry that happened to you.
Despite what happened then, I can assure you the admins now are anything but bullies, if you were by chance interested in coming back, let me know, with your history and with how your banning happened (IE I think I know exactly who you dealt with) I don't see it being an issue at all.
Masterstroke
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Sun, May 24Yup, supposed to be in her early 20s.
Even their accusation of "looking like a child" is ridiculous, compared what other stylized characters there look like.
And lots of "artists" do really crazy sh...tuff with their characters.
One of the reasons, that I've never made my character a product, was to protect her from the p...verted Rotica community.
BTW:
On an artisic level it is really difficult for having a 3d character to be cute, realisitic, young, but not below in her 20s.
Even their accusation of "looking like a child" is ridiculous, compared what other stylized characters there look like.
And lots of "artists" do really crazy sh...tuff with their characters.
One of the reasons, that I've never made my character a product, was to protect her from the p...verted Rotica community.
BTW:
On an artisic level it is really difficult for having a 3d character to be cute, realisitic, young, but not below in her 20s.
Jackolantern
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Sun, May 24I know there was a phase, years ago, where some people were posting pictures of scantily clad or nude 'fairies', and claiming that they were 300 years old fairies , and so 'not children ' even though that's what they looked like. Don't recall where it was..
Jackolantern
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Sun, May 24So I can see that it is/was a sensitive subject. Your render is fully clothed and there's no attempt to pass it off as anything other than what we see, so I don't see any problem with it.
Luxe Muse
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Sun, May 24I'm sorry to hear this happened to you. Your render is one of the most beautifully realistic renders I've seen. Right up there. The only reason someone saw ill intent in it was out of envy, or they are just mad, bad in the head.
MacSomme
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Wed, Jul 15The only issue I can imagine anybody might have with that image is that he assumed it to be an actual photo. Which is kind of a compliment, but that should have been sorted out with a single mail.
Things are changing, so perhaps you can bury your anger to the site together with the presence of the admin there. If Loki says hes gone, I tend to believe him, and carrying a grudge is always a burden to yourself, too.
Things are changing, so perhaps you can bury your anger to the site together with the presence of the admin there. If Loki says hes gone, I tend to believe him, and carrying a grudge is always a burden to yourself, too.
3DLoki
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Wed, Jul 15Even if someone assumed it was an actual photo, we allow AI generated images which in some cases look WAY TOO real, and for me personally can cause eventual problems with some of the more extreme content being generated with AI.
My bigger issue with that image of Roxy being deleted and Masterstroke being banned was that The former Admin need only to have looked at the entire gallery and would have saw that not only does Roxy appear the same age in 90% of her renders, but she has been spotlighted by staff over and over again, it's a safe bet no staff was using underage content as promotions, so just a little bit of common sense could of prevented all the problems that ended up coming from what I believe was a snap decision.
Pleased to add that Masterstroke IS back and Roxy is returning to the gallery (and most likely to the header of an upcoming newsletter soon lol) The former admin is indeed gone, and outside of legitimate actual severe violations of TOS / the law, the current team would much rather calmly talk things over then swing a ban hammer without valid reasons.
My bigger issue with that image of Roxy being deleted and Masterstroke being banned was that The former Admin need only to have looked at the entire gallery and would have saw that not only does Roxy appear the same age in 90% of her renders, but she has been spotlighted by staff over and over again, it's a safe bet no staff was using underage content as promotions, so just a little bit of common sense could of prevented all the problems that ended up coming from what I believe was a snap decision.
Pleased to add that Masterstroke IS back and Roxy is returning to the gallery (and most likely to the header of an upcoming newsletter soon lol) The former admin is indeed gone, and outside of legitimate actual severe violations of TOS / the law, the current team would much rather calmly talk things over then swing a ban hammer without valid reasons.
Dareshiranu
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Wed, Jul 15I'd add, that's a figure I would buy if offered for sale. Just saying.
I used to sell over there. People couldn't believe I was selling actual clothing and doing well at it. Most of the characters and renders over there at that time were of course not clothed, as I assum is the case now. But for some reason people liked the tease aspect of my designs.
Not into the FUTA thing nor the trans thing. I'm pretty old fashioned about the way I present nudity. I can say that I find the "attack!" culture in the trans world a little baffling. I'm a live and let live person. I would think that the trans community would understand that but for some reason, whenever I see someone say anything like "not really my thing" about trans, the attack profile is activated. We have an example of it in this thread. Just impossible to understand for a guy like me. Everyone do your own thing and be nice to each other. My thing isn't their thing. And vice-versa. That's cool. Doesn't mean we have to attack each other.
Not into the FUTA thing nor the trans thing. I'm pretty old fashioned about the way I present nudity. I can say that I find the "attack!" culture in the trans world a little baffling. I'm a live and let live person. I would think that the trans community would understand that but for some reason, whenever I see someone say anything like "not really my thing" about trans, the attack profile is activated. We have an example of it in this thread. Just impossible to understand for a guy like me. Everyone do your own thing and be nice to each other. My thing isn't their thing. And vice-versa. That's cool. Doesn't mean we have to attack each other.
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It's a veiled form of fetish bashing. I see it at R'otica and sometimes I don't think that people realize they're doing it. It makes them feel superior to those of us with all the desperately weird, sick, strange, bizarre and just plain messed-up fetishes.
RBG!
RBG!
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Yeah R'otica is sick but what's sicker is their lack of good payment methods, the few things I have bought ended up with my information getting stolen and the few things I still would like to buy I have no way to safely pay for (I'm talking about oily and wet skin)
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3DSaga
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Thu, Jun 18That's really alarming! Did this happen during the current transition? I ask because there are things I would like to buy, but I'm hesitant during this "under construction" phase.
Masterstroke
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Fri, Jun 19Quote:
"Yeah R'otica is sick but what's sicker is their lack of good payment methods,..."
Papal used to work there, at least with 3d content, it didn't work for comics thogh.
There also used to be a way to pay into your account and pay your items from there.
Never, ever pay with your credit card online. Mayor golden Rule!!!
"Yeah R'otica is sick but what's sicker is their lack of good payment methods,..."
Papal used to work there, at least with 3d content, it didn't work for comics thogh.
There also used to be a way to pay into your account and pay your items from there.
Never, ever pay with your credit card online. Mayor golden Rule!!!
Masterstroke
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Fri, Jun 19Not to defend Rotica, but Rendo isn't safe either with Credit Cards. Before I had my PP account, I had my numbers stolen after a Rendo check out.
3DSaga
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Sat, Jun 20Well, the longer they stay in this situation, the more money they lose, at least in my view. I only use PayPal for on-line shopping. There's stuff on my WL I would like to buy, but not even their Renderotique site takes PayPal and they no longer link to CGBytes.
They banned me for helping one of their customers on the site with finding ganguro make-up MENTIONING Patreon (and afterwards postulated that they had warned me several times before, which didn't occur). The problem with that is that my purchases for that account were also demolished, effectively stealing access to over 3k dollars worth of content. I am not supporting them for that reason and good riddance.
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It's now been two whole and entire moths with no real change. You still can't buy anything, can't get a new login, and there's little new. What I am seeing here is a lot of well deserved criticism. I feel that it's time to let it go. They can't run it right so just kill it and let the creators open their own sites somewhere else. Smart creators will sell cute renders of flowers but send me a download link to the creepy, weird, sick, twisted, perverted, messed-up, horrific and bizarre item I actually want.
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3DSaga
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Sat, Jul 04I keep checking into the site every day. I noticed some of the items on my wish list had a new button - "Buy On Affiliated Site". That took me to CG Bytes, and I was able to apply my points and complete the transaction with PayPal. This is pretty much how it used to work, I think. The items on my wish list that don't have this button take me to Renderotique, which is pretty much a dead end for me as PayPal isn't available and I don't use my credit card for on-line purchases. Why would there be a difference in how some items can be purchased?
diogenese19348
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Sat, Jul 04You'd have to ask Paypal on that one, it's their rules. What I am scratching my head about is that they had this issue with adult comics before, and the work around was to use CGBtyes to buy a gift certificate and use store credit to buy the item they couldn't sell via Paypal.
And for the life of me, I can't understand why they aren't still doing that. They will not let you buy anything from Renderotique by any method.
Um, OK, great way to pay the server bills.
And for the life of me, I can't understand why they aren't still doing that. They will not let you buy anything from Renderotique by any method.
Um, OK, great way to pay the server bills.
kwerkx
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Sat, Jul 04diogenese19348 said, "And for the life of me, I can't understand why they aren't still doing that"
Likely PayPal or some other payment processor or bank etc. is involved. I saw a note in their threads about problems loosing a "high risk" payment processor for one of their stores. If one or more of their stores is labeled as "high risk" then it's likely as you said, "ask PayPal on that one". It doesn't bode well, I think R-hub is the only other mainstream store with a Adult section...
Likely PayPal or some other payment processor or bank etc. is involved. I saw a note in their threads about problems loosing a "high risk" payment processor for one of their stores. If one or more of their stores is labeled as "high risk" then it's likely as you said, "ask PayPal on that one". It doesn't bode well, I think R-hub is the only other mainstream store with a Adult section...
3DLoki
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Sun, Jul 05Bobb: Ownership transfer was 2 months ago, the checkout issue has only been 1 month.
3DSaga: ALL items shown on Renderotica (community site that shows "ads" for ALL products in the network) have the same "Buy on Affiliated Site" buttons, some lead to CGbytes, some lead to Renderotique anything not truly "NSFW" can be bought via CGbytes, anything that is 100% NSFW can only be bought via Renderotique. FWIW, Paypal does not and will not process NSFW content, never have and prob never will, ANYTHING considered NSFW (and TONS of other things) REQUIRE what is called "High Risk Processing" in order to be sold legitimately online (Honestly the list is HUGE, Google "What types of products require high risk processing?" and you'll see how vast the spectrum really is.
diogenese19348: I am aware that that happened in the past, and I can also tell you that legally it was NOT the proper way to have run things, it STILL leaves a "paper trail" and could very well cost a company their ability to sell online by trying to get around the "laws" Nothing can be bought via Renderotique because Renderotique doesn't have processing, because the prior team lost processing over a year ago and routed everything through CGbytes hoping they would not get caught, we're NOT going to risk it, so as soon as we discovered the issue we shut down Renderotiqe's checkout and started taking the steps to acquire new HRP for that site, as well as subjecting to numerous audits, getting re certified for our PCI compliance and much more behind the scenes.
kwerkx: it's not the "Store" that's high risk, it's the type of content itself, as I said above, certain types of content MUST have HRP in order to legally be sold online, it's because these types of content have a history of fraud and or chargebacks, the crummy thing is just because Renderotique products are considered NSFW it's NOT the same as actual NSFW content like an Only Fans membership, Porn site membership or sex toys, outside of the comics and image sets sold via Renderotique, our "NSFW Products" are only really NSFW after the customer installs it into Daz and adds more to it, here's a great example for you that's also one hell of a head scratcher...
We sell a bondage chair for Daz, if the promos are JUST the chair itself at multiple angles then it's fine to sell on CGbytes, BUT the moment you put a "human figure" in the chair, nude or clothed that product is now considered to be NSFW
3DSaga: ALL items shown on Renderotica (community site that shows "ads" for ALL products in the network) have the same "Buy on Affiliated Site" buttons, some lead to CGbytes, some lead to Renderotique anything not truly "NSFW" can be bought via CGbytes, anything that is 100% NSFW can only be bought via Renderotique. FWIW, Paypal does not and will not process NSFW content, never have and prob never will, ANYTHING considered NSFW (and TONS of other things) REQUIRE what is called "High Risk Processing" in order to be sold legitimately online (Honestly the list is HUGE, Google "What types of products require high risk processing?" and you'll see how vast the spectrum really is.
diogenese19348: I am aware that that happened in the past, and I can also tell you that legally it was NOT the proper way to have run things, it STILL leaves a "paper trail" and could very well cost a company their ability to sell online by trying to get around the "laws" Nothing can be bought via Renderotique because Renderotique doesn't have processing, because the prior team lost processing over a year ago and routed everything through CGbytes hoping they would not get caught, we're NOT going to risk it, so as soon as we discovered the issue we shut down Renderotiqe's checkout and started taking the steps to acquire new HRP for that site, as well as subjecting to numerous audits, getting re certified for our PCI compliance and much more behind the scenes.
kwerkx: it's not the "Store" that's high risk, it's the type of content itself, as I said above, certain types of content MUST have HRP in order to legally be sold online, it's because these types of content have a history of fraud and or chargebacks, the crummy thing is just because Renderotique products are considered NSFW it's NOT the same as actual NSFW content like an Only Fans membership, Porn site membership or sex toys, outside of the comics and image sets sold via Renderotique, our "NSFW Products" are only really NSFW after the customer installs it into Daz and adds more to it, here's a great example for you that's also one hell of a head scratcher...
We sell a bondage chair for Daz, if the promos are JUST the chair itself at multiple angles then it's fine to sell on CGbytes, BUT the moment you put a "human figure" in the chair, nude or clothed that product is now considered to be NSFW
diogenese19348
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Sun, Jul 05That's a reasonable explanation and for my part, I'll forget this thread exists
As far as I know, PayPal doesn't like processing sales of NSFW content. So I could imagine that Renderotique has come under their scrutiny. This also aligns with the recent switch to payments via cgbytes (the SFW branch of 'rotica).
I don't know if my products are available there again yet, but because of the losses over the past few weeks, I've started offering some of my projects here as well. I think that's fair - even if the projects are actually tagged as 'Exclusive' there ...
I don't know if my products are available there again yet, but because of the losses over the past few weeks, I've started offering some of my projects here as well. I think that's fair - even if the projects are actually tagged as 'Exclusive' there ...
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3DLoki
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Sun, Jul 05it's not that they don't like it, they flat our refuse it, and if and when they catch you selling NSFW content through them they ban your account, keep your money (and all your vendor's money mind you) and they CAN (and have in the past) 'blacklist' your company to where NO processor will process for you. Paypal has nothing to do with Renderotique, the prior team lost the HRP for Renderotique and instead of doing the proper thing and acquiring a new HRP they just routed everything through CGbytes and crossed their fingers of not getting caught.
After the ownership change May 1st, it was discovered a few weeks later that the HRP for Renderotique was gone, and everything was being routed through CGbytes, few meetings later we quickly took the steps to change the routing to how it should be, removed the checkout process for Renderotique and from there we've been in talks with multiple HRP's to be able to get Renderotique back up and running as normal. In the meantime we've been identifying products that COULD be "moved" to CGbytes either by removing some promos, editing the promos or by creating brand new "reference promos" to be shown on CGbytes. (All org promos, main images and thumbs are still shown on the product's Renderotica display pages)
As for your own catalog, as of me typing this, 33 of your 97 products are currently on CGbytes with no issues, more of your catalog COULD be moved to CGbytes with promo changes (IE your pants product is fine but has nude promos, that can go on CGbytes for obvious reasons, meanwhile the "stained clothing" prob will not fly at all on CGbytes along with with.... facial materials / sex poses.
We know this is frustrating for all involved, and we are doing our best to find and implement ways to get as many products moved over to CGbytes as possible while we keep dealing with the multiple HRP we're in talks with.
Sure we could just 'cheat' and do what other stores do with similar content, but please keep in mind, we've been around since 1999 and we have no plans of having to shut down for operating under non legal methods.
As for 'Exclusive' items being in multiple stores right now, I'm going to say this as a vendor myself first and foremost, IF I had exclusive products in a store that could NOT be sold due to the store having no checkout, then I see no issue putting those products elsewhere to sell in the meantime. so as far as I am concerned you are 100% fine with that as long as those products can not be bought there.
Now (not you per say) Can we please let this thread die and if you all have any questions just use one of the many threads over there, I realllllly like keeping my vendor life and work life separate AKA "Loki" is not the Admin over there and i reallllllly try to keep "Loki" as ONLY my vendor / artist identity, but at the same time, I also can't help myself from responding to stuff like this because as a vendor myself, I totally feel the pain and frustration vendors have over the situation happening over there, so I jump in threads like these, break my own "rules" and answer questions, explain things etc.
But if I have to keep doing that, it's not the best "look" to the site owners and admins here, they might not be able to understand the full context of WHY I reply here. I reply here simply as a fellow vendor of multiple marketplaces, and someone, who under a diff name, just so happens to have the actual answers to the questions asked.
After the ownership change May 1st, it was discovered a few weeks later that the HRP for Renderotique was gone, and everything was being routed through CGbytes, few meetings later we quickly took the steps to change the routing to how it should be, removed the checkout process for Renderotique and from there we've been in talks with multiple HRP's to be able to get Renderotique back up and running as normal. In the meantime we've been identifying products that COULD be "moved" to CGbytes either by removing some promos, editing the promos or by creating brand new "reference promos" to be shown on CGbytes. (All org promos, main images and thumbs are still shown on the product's Renderotica display pages)
As for your own catalog, as of me typing this, 33 of your 97 products are currently on CGbytes with no issues, more of your catalog COULD be moved to CGbytes with promo changes (IE your pants product is fine but has nude promos, that can go on CGbytes for obvious reasons, meanwhile the "stained clothing" prob will not fly at all on CGbytes along with with.... facial materials / sex poses.
We know this is frustrating for all involved, and we are doing our best to find and implement ways to get as many products moved over to CGbytes as possible while we keep dealing with the multiple HRP we're in talks with.
Sure we could just 'cheat' and do what other stores do with similar content, but please keep in mind, we've been around since 1999 and we have no plans of having to shut down for operating under non legal methods.
As for 'Exclusive' items being in multiple stores right now, I'm going to say this as a vendor myself first and foremost, IF I had exclusive products in a store that could NOT be sold due to the store having no checkout, then I see no issue putting those products elsewhere to sell in the meantime. so as far as I am concerned you are 100% fine with that as long as those products can not be bought there.
Now (not you per say) Can we please let this thread die and if you all have any questions just use one of the many threads over there, I realllllly like keeping my vendor life and work life separate AKA "Loki" is not the Admin over there and i reallllllly try to keep "Loki" as ONLY my vendor / artist identity, but at the same time, I also can't help myself from responding to stuff like this because as a vendor myself, I totally feel the pain and frustration vendors have over the situation happening over there, so I jump in threads like these, break my own "rules" and answer questions, explain things etc.
But if I have to keep doing that, it's not the best "look" to the site owners and admins here, they might not be able to understand the full context of WHY I reply here. I reply here simply as a fellow vendor of multiple marketplaces, and someone, who under a diff name, just so happens to have the actual answers to the questions asked.
3DSaga
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Sun, Jul 05Thanks for taking the time to answer our questions. While people are working hard to get the site working properly, as a buyer, I don't see much happening so it's good to hear from you that efforts are underway.
PasahRi
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Sun, Jul 05@3DLoki
Thank you very much for this insight, the clarification, and the time you took to do this
I wasn't trying to complain at all - I just wanted to share my thoughts on PayPal vs NSFW. Actually, this wasn't supposed to be a new post; it was meant to be part of Bobb's sub-thread (posted 16 hours ago, right above this one). But I hadn't had enough coffee yet when I posted my comment
I know my cgbytes projects are up and running. A few more will be added soon. Basically, I really like the cgbytes / 'rotica combo
So, as far as I'm concerned: everything's fine (except for the NSFW bucks
Have a great day
Thank you very much for this insight, the clarification, and the time you took to do this
I wasn't trying to complain at all - I just wanted to share my thoughts on PayPal vs NSFW. Actually, this wasn't supposed to be a new post; it was meant to be part of Bobb's sub-thread (posted 16 hours ago, right above this one). But I hadn't had enough coffee yet when I posted my comment
I know my cgbytes projects are up and running. A few more will be added soon. Basically, I really like the cgbytes / 'rotica combo
So, as far as I'm concerned: everything's fine (except for the NSFW bucks
Have a great day
Well with renderhub actively trying to commit market suicide 'Rotica will quickly take back their market share
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BeastGohanofTruth
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Tue, Jul 07YEP! They OGs are back on board with the site and they even said they don't plan on stopping to sell NSFW and allow Adultr Imagery on their site.
They are looking for better payers that aren't linked to Visa/Mastercard...
They are looking for better payers that aren't linked to Visa/Mastercard...
Bobb
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Tue, Jul 07Sick-n-twisted'Otica is still stumbling around doing nothing. I see the adult creators moving to places like Deviant Art and simply getting creative about how their items are presented. Us weirdos will know what we're looking at even through the disguises.
I can see vendors accepting money orders delivered via the good old Post Office or using crypto. The self-righteous religious nuts can't stop that.
I can see vendors accepting money orders delivered via the good old Post Office or using crypto. The self-righteous religious nuts can't stop that.
BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08Thing is, not all people who believe in a Higher power, are like that.
The RELGIOUS, ie ZIONIST people maybe acting like this, but ones that are faithful, are going through thier own trials and times of trouble.
I'm a faithful man, but I know all of this is just FICTION and not real. Yes being addicted to it, can lead to your life being in ruin, I understand that, but trying to CENSOR and CONTROL what we can or can't make, is literally 1984 and people have had ENOUGH, and now the Overton Window is going to HIT these Corpos in the ass, especially Visa/Mastercard...
The RELGIOUS, ie ZIONIST people maybe acting like this, but ones that are faithful, are going through thier own trials and times of trouble.
I'm a faithful man, but I know all of this is just FICTION and not real. Yes being addicted to it, can lead to your life being in ruin, I understand that, but trying to CENSOR and CONTROL what we can or can't make, is literally 1984 and people have had ENOUGH, and now the Overton Window is going to HIT these Corpos in the ass, especially Visa/Mastercard...
RenderStar_6980
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Thu, Jul 09Some souls wanna control you here... because they cant on the other side. These people are sad really. They preach its for the greater good! Let's see how many skeletons are in these peoples closet. Bow down and worship your corporate and government masters as they fill you with fear.
The dark side is back:
https://www.renderotica.com/community/forums.aspx?g=posts&t=285433#post564838
Now Bobb just needs to sort out the issue with his password and login
https://www.renderotica.com/community/forums.aspx?g=posts&t=285433#post564838
Now Bobb just needs to sort out the issue with his password and login
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Bobb
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Wed, Jul 15I don't think I'm going to bother. They banned/deleted my account for no reason and I'm not going to beg.
Sade from 3D Shards has a new naughty site that folks are flocking to. I'll spend my money there.
Sade from 3D Shards has a new naughty site that folks are flocking to. I'll spend my money there.
Pushee-Ri
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Wed, Jul 15@Bobb
That's sad to hear—and begging and pleading wouldn't be my style either.
On the other hand.... Teronsuke ('rotica) mentioned here in a conversation with another user that someone from the previous administration was a bit... overzealous / stupid / whatever. That user was also banned... and is now back on the dark side. Just give it some more thought (if you’d like) (even if it’s just so you don’t miss any of my projects there
That's sad to hear—and begging and pleading wouldn't be my style either.
On the other hand.... Teronsuke ('rotica) mentioned here in a conversation with another user that someone from the previous administration was a bit... overzealous / stupid / whatever. That user was also banned... and is now back on the dark side. Just give it some more thought (if you’d like) (even if it’s just so you don’t miss any of my projects there
PasahRi
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Wed, Jul 15@Bobb
Hey Bobb, check out the comment 3D Loki posted a little further up (it's currently the last post under Roxy's picture)
Hey Bobb, check out the comment 3D Loki posted a little further up (it's currently the last post under Roxy's picture)
Hellcat
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Wed, Jul 15@Bobb
Can you link to the new site? The only 18+ site listed under Sibling Sites is Cygnus Station, which is some kind of sci-fi story and not an adult content store.
Can you link to the new site? The only 18+ site listed under Sibling Sites is Cygnus Station, which is some kind of sci-fi story and not an adult content store.
Neve thinked that DA is a good place for sell 3D item,is a great place for promozione,but not for sale.
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3DLoki
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Wed, Jul 15Yeah, I tried selling stuff over there, never got any play, had to pay monthly fee just to be able to sell there as well.
I know a few people who do so/so selling there, but DA takes a cut, plus only pays out in points, then you have to convert points to cash and you loose even more, at that rate I'd rather just sell at Daz where my $20+ product could net me under $1.00 because discounts can stack to like 95% off lol
I know a few people who do so/so selling there, but DA takes a cut, plus only pays out in points, then you have to convert points to cash and you loose even more, at that rate I'd rather just sell at Daz where my $20+ product could net me under $1.00 because discounts can stack to like 95% off lol
diogenese19348
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Wed, Jul 15As far as I can see the only good point about DAZ for vendors is volume. If you can't sell in volume, it just isn't worth the hassle.
Ext3nd Studio
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Wed, Jul 15That's true, and DA is a great place for commission, posting renders, and a lot of things. But not for sale 3D Items.
Dareshiranu
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Wed, Jul 15Not to mention the sheer difficulty of finding anything that's specifically for sale for Daz or anything else. Or if there is a reliable method, I've yet to discover it and I fancy myself a data miner of some small skill.
Ext3nd Studio
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Wed, Jul 15You speak about DeviantArt? No, there are many creator who give their creations for free, post tutorial, and many other things. And are all great people. But who want sell 3D items don't do this trought DA.
Dareshiranu
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Wed, Jul 15I don't dispute that there are many creators offering items on DA freely or otherwise. What I would argue is the ease with which locating them is accomplished. As in there is no ease.
Ext3nd Studio
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Thu, Jul 16You've absolutely right, also because DA is for a various kind of artist, not only 3D user.