Daz 6 (CLOSED)

This morning I received an email saying that Daz& was released and I checked the Daz forums and people are angry about so many bugs in a program that isn't even in beta.

To make matters worse, they don't let you download the .exe file, only the manager, just because they feel like it.

Apparently, at least according to a few DAZ forum members, there's no uninstaller either. They had to go through their PC and uninstall all DS6 files manually. Personally, it sounds like it wasn't ready, but then is every Studio version ever ready? Each version always feels like a constant work in progress. "We'll fix it next time..."

I doubt I ever use it anyway. Definitely not with my current hardware. My machine is 10 years old now and I'm still using DS4.12 (the last build that supports my GPU). Can't afford a new PC, so I'm safely confined to a Studio version that works for my needs 

I was about to write: ever install a released daz version“ the first ones are the Ubisoft of 3d :‘D

I've never felt the need to be the first kid on the block to own anything

Let someone else deal with the bug reports is my motto.  In any case I do have DAZ 6 Beta installed, it's going to be worth the upgrade once the kinks are worked out.  It might take the odd week or two.

I'll stick with 4.24 in production in the meantime.

I'm just wondering if this is another one of those DAZ things: instead of following the usual numbering scheme (after 4.24, it should be 5.0, right?), they just skip an entire version number

I haven't updated Daz since they got rid of 3DL, because I still use Line Render sometimes. So all this says to me is that my ability to utilize new releases from the Daz store going forward might be a bit limited.

Having looked it over, read through all the comments in their forum, I'll wait. I have (thanks to a nice person here) DS 4.22 downloaded. And I also have DS 4.24 downloaded from my account page. I made backups of both too. Yeah, I'm good.

no rush at all.  i've got 4.12 on one, 4.16 on  another and 4.21 on the third  just for testing purposes.  no intention on upgrading ever again.  DS can hobble along into the future with its errors.  

This is exactly the kind of low performance upgrade, that killed Poser.
(big hurray Promotions about pretty much nothing)
Hey, unlike Poser, DAZ studio is at least still free.

Good to see you started this thread, bu_es, as I was about to

I was eager for an updated version, as I finally upgraded my work machine to one with a 5000 Series RTX after 11 years with the old 1080ti and DAZ had yet to accommodate the newer cards from their foundation source.  Daz 6 ostensibly should do the trick, but I'm in no hurry to install it, as all accounts suggest it's quirky and possibly unstable in some regards.  

No .exe files or uninstaller? i imagine they're under the curve to update, but releasing in such a state seems to be poor judgment.  They'll likely fix it at some point. but until then I'll set up scenes with 4.24 on the new machine and render on the laptop with the 4.22 and the card it can handle.  By the DAZ 6 is running properly, the 6000 series cards might be out, and the wheel will turn again.  

No stand alone installer?
No thanks.

There is no difference on the vendor side right? I stopped "updating" DS long ago, never bothered much with new versions since they started turning useful tools into rentware, and am hoping to just avoid the new version altogether lol.

I just got the email too. definitely will be having to back up my current exe before I even try bothering with this shit first lmao

I'm in no rush either.

Although I will say, I'm open to the idea of a competent chatbot that can legitimately help with technical troubleshooting or problem-solving and on-the-spot micro-tutorials for specific tools and functions. Maybe automate certain actions or workflows within the constraints of my specifications.

If I have a redline, it's whether or not the desirable features that would justify an upgrade are subscription-paywalled. Considering the times we're living in, the concern that we could be walking into a Lucy's Football bait-and-switch where the good stuff is free at first but then OOP! Sike! Now it's not is somewhere between non-zero and non-negligible.

I'm gonna need more information, but I'm not completely disinterested here.

I've been playing with the beta for a little while. Very tiny performance improvement, if there is any. Other than that, I'm not sure what's new other than the splash screen, some colors, and making sure your not available unless you pay a subscription scripts don't work anymore (Old Render Queue for me, I don't use anything else).

I installed it, it's not thaaaaaaaaat different from 4.x (the major rev jump to 6 is just cynical hype mongering bullshit)
they managed to screw up UI fonts, I don't think there is a way to configure this so enjoy squinting I guess
for no reason at all, they changed preview lighting to only use headlamp mode so if you were used to the default scene lighting's contrast setup, you will miss that
the strand based hair tools are marginally less clunky now, which is good, but they're still pretty clunky (no keybinds to change brush settings e.g. so a lot of clicking still required)

I'll wait myself and stick to 4.24. That free to download and try had me think they actually went Adobe route. They didn't as it turns out. They just didn't provide exe. version. 

Not a hope that I'm going to bother with this.  It's a perfect example of enshitification.  All the problems we've spent years complaining about are still there.  I'll bet that they used some AI BS to write the code.  It was almost 5 years since DazRaub announced Studio 5, and after all this time, this is the slop we get? 
https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/506346/daz-studio-5-development-update
And where is DazRaub?  I understand that there was a HUGE change when that greedy, short-sighted, parasite Thornton James came on the scene.  DazRaub was always great about keeping us informed on what was happening with Studio.
I'm putting my hopes behind the new free tool that was just announced here.

Yeah, I think I'll wait. Don't feel like dealing with no stinking bugs.

I'll skip it for sure. Don't have an 50xx series card (and with the prices and lack of supplies I doubt I'll ever have) and I don't need or want an unnecessary ai agent bloatware. Also eff them for jumping on all sorts of shitty bandwagons that make our life and society significantly worse.

But from the feedbacks on the forum it seems like they just started vibecoding their product like microslop and nividia did.

Anything I want to know about this version, I read here. They've deleted all the negative reactions on Daz forums, just like they always do. I had toyed with installing it in a different folder on my D drive, but, eh, I'm going to pass. The above Pose Studio looks far more interesting.

While it's definitely still a beta., there's still a long way for it being really usable.
That said, the animal is loading files way faster, open and closing very fast too
The smart content is able to include some non Daz products, the resulting filtering is  to say the least strange.
There' this very annoying lack of updated plugins and scripts. I'm absolutely fed up buying more or less the same things at each iteration of Genesis.
I'm illiterate so I don't even know what this Qt stuff is all about.
Didn't try if Diffeo is working ATM.
Last, the intrication with Nvidia iray is worrying for the future.

What a joke Daz has become. It seems like every new thing they release is a dumpster fire. 

Did anyone pay attention to the announcement email they sent for Daz Studio 6? They couldn't even get THAT right, repeating the same information for several highlight sections. Did any human proofread it before they sent it out? I find it funny that they're introducing an AI assistant into Daz Studio, when AI could have helped them write an email that actually made sense. 

I'd like to know if it supports all that great old poser stuff that ALL previous versions loaded and ran perfectly.  I've read in my threads that some older Daz items won't load.

After reading the whole thread, I think the biggest issue isn't even DAZ 6 itself, it's the growing disconnect between DAZ and its users.

Nobody expects a major release to be perfect, but when people feel that even reasonable criticism gets removed, frustration builds up fast. A lot of longtime users here seem more interested in sticking with older versions than upgrading, and that's probably not a great sign.
And "their forum, their rules, sure" but there's a differnce between moderating bad behavior and shutting down criticism. That's where I think a lot of the curent frustration is coming from. 

DAZ is greenlighting slop and some of the laziest products in its entire history with those "characters", clothes and the obsession with pose product , while basic issues stay untouched for years. We are forced to use DIM more and more, broken or abandoned plugin compatibility every generation, endless Genesis churn that just re packages the same content cycle, and releases that feel more like early betas than finished software, and the enshitification of the entire Daz Originals category.

Then there's the communication side of it with 0 roadmaps, unclear sales and decissions, and criticism that gets censored as "speculation" or "lies" whenever it turns ""negative"". And of course the prices keep rising, they made AI features nobody asked for, and a general trend of chasing whatever hype (NFTs, AI, whatever comes next), and it's not hard to see why a lot of users feel completely checked out. I expect less every year from them, turning a love/love relationship to a hate/hate one.

Haven't tried Daz 6 yet.  I don't need a "AI companion" built into my software.  AI is killing everything, and making people more stupid in the long run.

All this is typical of a private equity firm taking over pretty much anything. They do not give two shits about the clients/customers. All that matters is how much money they can drain out of the asset before it goes belly up. 

The only thing going for it is the faster loading of assets. If this was a new iteration of 4.2x with only the speed improvement, I would have been fine with that.
But the focus on AI and the general way the DAZ company is going, combined with the fact that scripts aren't compatible, I will be staying with 4.22 and 4.24.

I guess there are always a lot of people anxious to have the latest version of every program, every game, every tool, every figure.
There's no rush, let's stick with our older versions and let the brave souls install the new one! 
What I find hilarious are the temper tantrums over integrated AI, and Daz acting like Rasputia: "Whether you like it or not!" XD
I think by now we should understand the difference between tools with integrated intelligence and generative AI.
"Who don't like water parks? I love 'em! Except you don't gotta get off the ride to go to the bathroom. How YOU doin'!"

The AI is currently only the 'program help', it's actually accurate, and informative.

After a little smalltalk and a few drinks the little minx hinted that a new pane to access the DAZ AI website from within the program will added at some point.