Why Not More Family Friendly Poses (CLOSED)

Absolutely, Pushe-Ri. You know you're very welcome!

I'll focus on family, mostly group poses, and then I'd also like to add a few standalone poses with boys and girls. (I bought a boy character a while ago, so I'll try using it, but I don't have one of my own.)

I'd also like some dad poses, but all focused on everyday, non-artistic, bland interactions, just casual.

My plan is for about 40 unique poses. Hopefully less than a month's worth of work (I don't have a lot of time lately with the kids on vacation).

Thanks a lot

Then let's get to work

Since you create poses for children and teenagers who are morphed Genesis characters, please remember to include the names of the morphed characters and links in the description so that buyers don't spend hours modifying your poses and it's a simple click-and-render process

@guy

All (!) of my poses are based on the GF8 base. That's why I don't have much to do besides writing 'GF8'

Good call, @Guy. In my experience, however, poses are more suggestive than a one-click solution. You're right, the right morph, in my case Amelia Tween, GF, and GM, tells the customer exactly how to reproduce it. But customers are used to buying poses meant for G9 or G8 and applying them to their custom or self-mixed characters, which would never match G8 or G9. That's why I say poses are more suggestive, at least from my own experience as a customer.

@Guy and @Luxe

As a general rule, (commercial) poses must always be created for the base character (Genesis 8, Genesis 9, etc.). Otherwise, you might as well forget about publishing pose packs on platforms that test the products. They always use the specified base character for testing.

Believe me: I know what I'm talking about, since I used to post on Rendo, among other places, and currently post on cgbytes (testing is done on both of these platforms)

However - and Luxe and Guy are both right about this -there are always surprises with poses when they're applied to disproportionately scaled characters. But users are usually aware of this.

@Pushee-Ri. I didn't know (truly first time, for other than a few expressions, making a full pose pack).

How then, for child characters, where height maters, do one achieve the desired outcome?

Sorry, forgot my manners with the coffee at home

@Pushee-Ri. I didn't know, THANK YOU! - then the question Hi, hi, hi

@Luxe

I always assume that my projects will be tested (which is often - but not always - the case). There are three possibilities for the non-proportional dilemma:

a) If exclusive products are submitted for established models (Veronika, Michael, blah blah), these characters are used for testing.

b) For non-established models, it’s best to keep the poses simple. That is, no crossed arms or legs, no overly contorted poses, etc.

c) Do your own thing with the base models. Testers and users will know that these poses are more like suggestions rather than one-click solutions.

Sorry, I just forgot to mention: at 38.4 degrees Celsius, my coffee evaporates right in the cup... so there's no way I'd ever forget it (or anything else) at home

Hi, hi, hi, hi, hi, hi!!!!!!!!

The cheongsam runs a little thick, but his hand rests around her waist.

Hi Brothervigil, thank you for your input. Good call!

I also tend to prefer flat foot poses. Most shoe vendors already have scripts that automatically apply the proper metatarsal, foot, and toe positions.

I try to get the pose first and then apply the shoes, and it almost always works with just a minor adjustment on my end.

I agree with both of you 100% when it comes to flat-foot poses!

You often see renderings that range from good to great, but unfortunately they quickly lose their appeal when the model is barefoot yet her feet are still posed as if it were wearing high heels. It just looks stupid.

Love them all, Pushee-Ri! Great references!!

I'll cheat though. I'll just ask, "what next" and I get 100 suggestions with life action posing, hi, hi, hi

Posing is pretty boring though a necessary evil, I guess

Hey, are you an early riser, too???? It's only 4:08 in the morning... and I've been working for about 1 1/2 hours (and 2 cups of coffee)

Late sleeper , trying to get something done. It's 12:11 PM over here

'Posing is pretty boring though .... '

I think it depends on the poses you want to create. I'm always happy when a pose turns out exactly the way I imagined it. Unfortunately, that doesn't always work out... but that's what the virtual trash can is for in virtual life

All right, enough talk—I'm going to try creating a roll (gymnastics, a 'Purzelbaum' in German

I really like the balance and sense of motion of the three girls holding hand, running and getting pushed and pulled.

pose woirk when the center of gravity is top of mind, and joint limits stay ACTIVE ON. too many amateurs over extend one joint when any movement usually needs 3 or 4 joints adjusted.

Agree 100% @Tenser, I already had it planned as the base for a promo. It's pure energy and happiness. That one and the boy asleep on the horse by Everwild.

G8 Starter Set or G9 Starter set have basics in them and I think everyone who uses Daz gets access to those.

FACEPALM, or 'Just How Stupid Am I, Anyway'????

I use these things so rarely that I'd forgotten they even existed Now COS Mae (the only child character I have) is already looking forward to posing with these scratchy things

Thank you

Thank you @Everwild. I love them all but especially the horse ones, I have DAZ horse 3. Will use it to add more variety.

@Everwild

The sleeping children on the pony are really a hit! I've already got a pose like the kids with the circle... though it's Pushee-Ri style

There's a problem with seated poses: take a look at the following image by Rozsakert67:
https://www.deviantart.com/lebenguth/art/Needs-washing-1335000672
The image was deleted on Renderhub as part of the 'minors in inappropriate context' cleanup. To me, the only explanation for the deletion is the clothing, the bare foot... and the pose. So I probably won't be doing any seated poses...

Double dipping: Everwild, you should make a pose pack too. I just give your poses (middle) another look, and wow, they are simply perfect!

@Luxe -- That is kind and I would, however, I'm still sometimes dependent on a second model with someone else's pose as a reference for corrections. Except possibly when it comes to horses and riding because I probably have more experience with them than most creators. Reading Bikdingle's post below, though, I think I understand better why I still get mixed results with peeps. I just snagged the download to see if I can find ways to improve my posing!

The kid asleep on the horse is priceless, and the kids offering the flowers, that heartfelt.

It sounds like you're clicking on the character and using the X-Y-Z controls to move the character in space
You should work from the hip for moving the character up and down
AND include a disclaimer that the pose was made using the base character and some adjustment will be necessary

For small characters I would save the poses without scale so that it doesn't mess with the figure's final scale. A scaled pose will rescale the character to that percentage of their current size....so and 80% scale character that has a pose applied that has 80% scale on it will end up at 64% scale.

If you haven't seen my free tutorial on saving poses I have a few useful things to say in it
I recently added how to make mirror poses
You may find some of what I have in the tutorial useful (or you may know more than I do already )

https://www.renderhub.com/bikdingle/saving-poses-in-daz-studio-short-tutorial

Good question. My child/teen characters all use scaling. But when I save a pose, it automatically saves without scaling. So, I'm wondering if is something I configured years ago and I don't remember or, if is DAZ automatically not selecting scale when general is selected per bone?

Interesting....

I need to tell Daz to not save scale information when I save a pose
You probably found something I have not

Hmm, that's odd.

Okay, so I see the scale selected when I save the pose preset. But when I open the file in Notepad uncompressed, all the scales are set to 1. And if I apply it to a Genesis 9 figure, it doesn't change the scale, even though my character is scaled:

"animations" : [
{
"url" : "name://@selection/l_bigtoe2:?translation/x/value",
"keys" : [ [ 0, 0 ] ]
},
{
"url" : "name://@selection/l_bigtoe2:?translation/y/value",
"keys" : [ [ 0, 0 ] ]
},
{
"url" : "name://@selection/l_bigtoe2:?translation/z/value",
"keys" : [ [ 0, 0 ] ]
},
{
"url" : "name://@selection/l_bigtoe2:?rotation/x/value",
"keys" : [ [ 0, 0 ] ]
},
{
"url" : "name://@selection/l_bigtoe2:?rotation/y/value",
"keys" : [ [ 0, 0 ] ]
},
{
"url" : "name://@selection/l_bigtoe2:?rotation/z/value",
"keys" : [ [ 0, 0 ] ]
},
{
"url" : "name://@selection/l_bigtoe2:?scale/general/value",
"keys" : [ [ 0, 1 ] ]
},
{
"url" : "name://@selection/l_bigtoe2:?scale/x/value",
"keys" : [ [ 0, 1 ] ]
},
{
"url" : "name://@selection/l_bigtoe2:?scale/y/value",
"keys" : [ [ 0, 1 ] ]
},
{
"url" : "name://@selection/l_bigtoe2:?scale/z/value",e",

* The original was scaled (and I only unselected expressions and things I didn't use).

The pose when applied isn't. I also looked in the configuration, and there isn't anything I can select that would achieve this behavior I'm experiencing. (I'm not complaining, though. Not having to unclick scale for all bones is great.)

It could be something different; I'm just giving it a second thought.

I don't apply scale to my characters through the transform directly (they are modeled at full Genesis 9 size), but through the out-of-the-box proportion utilities. Maybe that is seen as non-pose influence (not applied) when saving a pose?

@bikdingle
Thank you so, so much for your information and tips

I’ll try out your tip about saving a pose without scaling right away.

Unfortunately, though, there are always issues with DAZ when the hip is moved along the y-axis differently than DAZ intended. It works reasonably well for standing poses or sitting/lying poses (as long as you use one of those DAZ poses as a base). But as soon as you work in intermediate positions (hip) and adjust the pelvis, it often gets very... strange.

@bikdingle
Oops - I just forgot to mention this in relation to the disclaimer: I'm still a long way from being ready... but I already know exactly what the promo image for 'Known Issues / Solutions' will look like

@bikdingle
I just tried saving a G9 pose without scaling: COS Mae (my child model) keeps going right through the floor. She's just a real little troublemaker

Hi, hi, hi!

Another thing I notice is that for seating positions, when you only move the hip and then go to dForce from the default pose, it will set the character in its A pose where the hip is located, which means going through the floor.

Oh my gosh, Pushee-Ri. They all look amazing!!

well done, very good young person action poses. they look accurate and active

To be honest, I'm one of those people... but for different reasons

Most of the poses for kids I’ve seen so far have been suboptimal at best… and often completely off the mark. When I’m offered a pose package titled 'Fashion Kids,' but some of the poses are just plain silly/cheap and others belong in the leather and lingerie section of a super-cheap mail-order catalog, then I, too, say: not like this!

It was always normal, especially for girls, to want to wear their mother's heels or use their makeup. I still think it's just funny-cute, but now that gets a different label, and it's just sad

It feels like all it takes is a kid in a render that people find cute for people to suddenly default to "it's sexualizing."

On another note, the state of adult male poses isn't any better. Everyday poses like walking, running, opening a door, leaning, and so on. I get that they don't sell, same for kids. But once I'm done with this pack, I'll work on adult males too. Hopefully it helps a little.

Thank you so much for your encouragement

Thank you very much. Although I must admit, I'm nervous about not meeting expectations now, ji, ji, ji

Fair warning, though, I'm slow like a sloth. But you'll probably enjoy Pushee-Ri's sets way faster, and he is a pro, so there's that.

@Luxe don't underestimate yourself when we make an image like this https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/65935/besties-duo-foreever we can't say that you don't master poses
By the way, you can add it to the pack if you've kept the scene!

You are too kind. I probably spend more time on that promo than on one of the character's entire skin, hi, hi, hi.

That is a great idea. I have several poses I made for promos just in the files. I can definitely polish them a little more and include them too!

Oh dear - when Pushee (that old bag) blushes like a schoolboy, it means Luxe has written something a little too (!!!) flattering

'.... and he is a pro ....'

Nope - I'm not (laughs)
Let's put it this way: I've been through the very (!) tough school of obscure ideas and concepts about what I'd like to see in DAZ... even if these ideas have nothing to do with mainstream use of DAZ... and sometimes aren't even fully compatible with DAZ. That shapes you

But, I think "Tender Guidance" reads better.

I'll need to specify, like Pushee-Ri and Guy mentioned, that for the child I'm using Tween Amelia. Other characters will need slight adjustments, hopefully not too many, as long as the size differences aren't huge.

Wow - that looks great!

Honestly - I tried coming up with poses for couples once, too. But after 1 1/2 poses, I decided I’d rather just make a slipable T-shirt

@Luxe Muse this is a lovely pose. It's both gentle and realistic @Pushee-Ri the slipable t-shirt comment gave me a good chuckle. I have no patience with couple poses, so I get it

Ha, it looks like there'll be some cool poses coming up soon - and finally, finally, finally, ones that are truly suitable for kids and teens

As usual, I'm once again falling behind on the promotional images for my project... but that's also because I'm working on several projects at the same time again ....

Anyway, keep up the great work

Thank you Pushee-Ri! I'm only on # 5 of my planned 40 unique poses Only 35 more to go, hi, hi, hi

Apparently when you use the Windows command to insert a shrug emoji, the wonderful Renderhub editor converts it into the "male" symbol. :LOL:

I love everything you said. It makes total sense. I was already spending time on sibling poses. So, I'm going to take your advice and stick to the theme: parents (one or two) and one or two daughters or children.

Pushee-Ri is already doing amazing single poses. I'll make another pack for siblings afterwards.

For emojis, it works with the standard keyboard ones (; D) hi, hi, hi

@dbreizur

Thanks a lot.... but: Na Na NaNa Naaaa... right now I'm working at a snail's pace

But that has nothing to do with a lack of inspiration... it's simply that I'm currently swamped with PHYSICAL work, like hauling 8 cubic meters of firewood through the garden in 36 Celsius heat....

And I HATE physical labor

"36C heat"—lucky you, I've got 42C in my garden
31C inside the house (I hate fans—noise + drafts)
Conclusion: I'm dozing off in front of my keyboard

@Guy

If Shakespeare had lived in our time of climate change, he would have spared us at least one of his sonnets:
'Shall i compare thee to a summer's day ..... '

Love it Pushee-Ri!!!

I know they'll look better with expressions, but I'm not sure I should make/include those.

Hey Luxe, if you keep this up, you'll be done before I finish my project

I'm currently stuck on the project that will be released before my child poses, and I'm writing like crazy - documentation, info, tutorials, etc. ARRGGGHHHH!!!!!

Anyway, I really like your approach, and I can already imagine lots of great renderings from your users.

I'm with you, Pushee-Ri. I've said it, I don't know how many times. I don't enjoy adult content, but I would hate for people who do to be censored, let alone this debacle with not even fair notice. But I don't even want notice. I want them to be able to do the things they like. I've gotten criticism for many things, even posts removed by little internet crusaders, and I always point out the same thing, even when it wasn't my fight.

Now, all I need is a ruler

And yes, she is cheating, of course she is.

Here’s a free one for everyone!
https://www.renderhub.com/dorothee237/measuring-rod

Thank you DoroThee!! My little prop isn't suitable for measurement, is just a prop. I'll use yours for sure, thank you very much.

It's an old, free prop that's been online for a long time!
I even had to dig around in my store for quite a while to find the link and the exact name

Your ruler aligns with the main character's pose.

This is GREAT!!!!!
Kudos and Respect

Thank you, thank you, thank you, hi, hi, hi

Daddy's snoring on the couch again, hi, hi, hi

Sorry for posting here again (so please don't think I'm a stalker

THIS IS FANTASTIC!!!!!!
You can already see exactly what kind of wonderful scenes people who buy this product will create.

And even though I'm more of a wild type (and so probably won't use it), you've already found the first buyer for this wonderful product

Just a request: please don't post such amazing screenshots here—my fingers already hurt from having to show you my deepest respect all the time

Hi, hi, hi

Likewise Pushee!! It's always a pleasure having you around.

I'm working on two more poses and I think I'll stop for the fun part, the Metadata (yuck). And then move to the real fun part, the renders

Oooh, this is a good one.

And now, the pose is complete

For the smartphone, don't reinvent the wheel; there are several free 3D models available.
3D models - smartphone

Hi, Guy. Thank you for the tip. It is a great idea. But since this is a paid product, I'll avoid getting into trouble, and if I'm 100% brutally honest, maybe it's been an excuse all along for me to do what I really like, injecting a blend of frustration and excitement with Blender, hi, hi, hi.

It's not perfect, is a nice add-on to the pose pack.

@luxe Muse
The fox: "Nothing is perfect."
In Antoine de Saint-Exupéry's *The Little Prince*,
when the fox learns that there are neither hunters nor chickens on the boy's planet.

Hi, hi, hi!

Not sure about mom's finger pointing. I'm thinking just a # 2 gesture, as in, two hours up.

In that case, change "two hours" to "three hours"!

a swimming lesson without the risk of drowning

Hi, hi, hi

I hadn't thought of it that way. Good idea

I based this one on small memories. My little one loved flying, but she grew out of it. Not so fond of pranks anymore. Go figure.