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GLBIs the AI bubble going to burst soon! (CLOSED)
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Nope and nope. Generative AI will neither disappear nor will the bubble burst. Instead, it will be like a child's balloon that has been forgotten in the corner: little by little, it loses air and momentum until all that remains is a shriveled and unsightly zombie balloon shell.
Everything becomes boring when everyone can do the same thing. Yawn!
Everything becomes boring when everyone can do the same thing. Yawn!
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At some point, we're gonna have to go "fvck waiting" for this bubble to burst and just grab the needle. The idea of AI replacing us is a god awful idea that somehow gained enough support to go WAY too far because too many dumbasses with siblings for parents thought the PROMPTstitutes were worth the cash it took to bring them to life.
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bonj
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Sat, Oct 04, 2025I completely agree. Ai will still be around generating 3d models and more. I don't think the models will be worth anything and eventually the cost of generating the slop will need to be paid by someone.
I'd rather support genuine artist and model makers with genuine design and products. Ai should be used for things like mesh clean up or re-topography. Even then it's often better to do it manually.
I'd rather support genuine artist and model makers with genuine design and products. Ai should be used for things like mesh clean up or re-topography. Even then it's often better to do it manually.
whatSAPp bonj !
I've been making AI videos for a year now through open source software that renders on my computer. Usually when I make real videos about current events, they get more views than AI videos because any Loser can make AI videos through websites that render them very quickly on render farms. And I received a message on my channel that VO3 will be free on the phone for anyone, which is of course rendered on render farms. In short, impressing people with 3D videos by 3D artists is Almost impossible now because any retarded Loser can simply do it with AI. As time goes by, people prefer to watch real people who video themselves .
about AI music , you can make amazing songs in minutes , but if you're not a musician how the fuck you're going to perform them ? the answer is thru AI videos .
by the way i'm talking from experience i make AI videos and AI music videos for over a year now .
very soon VO3 will be available for free on your phone and anyone including your mom would do any video genre with zero knowledge about anything
I've been making AI videos for a year now through open source software that renders on my computer. Usually when I make real videos about current events, they get more views than AI videos because any Loser can make AI videos through websites that render them very quickly on render farms. And I received a message on my channel that VO3 will be free on the phone for anyone, which is of course rendered on render farms. In short, impressing people with 3D videos by 3D artists is Almost impossible now because any retarded Loser can simply do it with AI. As time goes by, people prefer to watch real people who video themselves .
about AI music , you can make amazing songs in minutes , but if you're not a musician how the fuck you're going to perform them ? the answer is thru AI videos .
by the way i'm talking from experience i make AI videos and AI music videos for over a year now .
very soon VO3 will be available for free on your phone and anyone including your mom would do any video genre with zero knowledge about anything
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guy91600
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Sat, Oct 04, 2025@Cherry-8omb
Peut-on avoir le nom de ce logiciel open source ?
Peut-on avoir le nom de ce logiciel open source ?
guy91600
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Sat, Oct 04, 2025@Cherry-8omb
Can we have the name of this open source software?
Can we have the name of this open source software?
bonj
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Sat, Oct 04, 2025I played around and laughed at some of the early generative ai images. Considered if it could help generate textures for me. I still enjoy making them myself tbh. If however you can recommend something that is good at making a material set including bumps, normal etc I will give it another attempt.
I may use ai for some task if I was producing a game and had very little funding to pay for a crew. I can see for some tasks ai can be a valid tool alongside the traditional workflow. My son needs music for his projects and I let him use it for his coursework providing it's to support his animations. He's not marked on the ai music only the animation or video.
I was managing director of a video production company for over 5 years , made 3 music video's featured on MTV and many cover mount disk for magazine's . Live vision mixing alongside top Dj's
Maybe I've lost my passion for video but I don't find ai tempting at all. Saying that at age 50 my projects are a much slower pace than before. If I was young and trying to prove myself would I be tempted? Considering the results any game engine can give especially with computer mapping and green screen I'd likely go all-in on the the unreal train. If I had the budget and energy Cinema production would be my priority and having time to invest in ai would not even be a consideration.
Good luck to you though if you enjoy it .
I guess the real question is will productions hire ai artist. I see people on LinkedIn now with profiles stating ai artist. I wonder who hires them
I may use ai for some task if I was producing a game and had very little funding to pay for a crew. I can see for some tasks ai can be a valid tool alongside the traditional workflow. My son needs music for his projects and I let him use it for his coursework providing it's to support his animations. He's not marked on the ai music only the animation or video.
I was managing director of a video production company for over 5 years , made 3 music video's featured on MTV and many cover mount disk for magazine's . Live vision mixing alongside top Dj's
Maybe I've lost my passion for video but I don't find ai tempting at all. Saying that at age 50 my projects are a much slower pace than before. If I was young and trying to prove myself would I be tempted? Considering the results any game engine can give especially with computer mapping and green screen I'd likely go all-in on the the unreal train. If I had the budget and energy Cinema production would be my priority and having time to invest in ai would not even be a consideration.
Good luck to you though if you enjoy it .
I guess the real question is will productions hire ai artist. I see people on LinkedIn now with profiles stating ai artist. I wonder who hires them
I dont think burst is quite the right word, but I do believe AI will have phases of overhype and correction.
I recently saw a test by Transparent House (on their blog https://www.transparenthouse.com/post/can-ai-replace-a-real-shoot-we-put-it-to-the-test ) where they tried to see if AI could really replace a real shoot in architectural visualization. It showed some strengths, some clear limits.
I recently saw a test by Transparent House (on their blog https://www.transparenthouse.com/post/can-ai-replace-a-real-shoot-we-put-it-to-the-test ) where they tried to see if AI could really replace a real shoot in architectural visualization. It showed some strengths, some clear limits.
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Wed, Oct 08, 2025Much like the VR hype that seems to have a 30 year boom and bust cycle. Thanks for the comment and link, interesting stuff.
Really interesting video. It seems to come down to education and an understanding of how AI works plus critical thinking. I also read several articles that detail how much money these companies are NOT making vs. the predictions they made of the "huge" proft margins from generative AI. The bubble will eventually burst just like the dotcom one did. Then it will level off in a similar fashion. More and more governments wil begin getting laws in places because of the potential to cause so much damage using AI videos.
If you talk to people, most people are concerned about AI and even see it as a threat to some extent. There are multiple news articles discussing how AI is killing entry level jobs. This is but one example, there are dozens of articles from reputable sources regarding this issue:
https://hbr.org/2025/09/the-perils-of-using-ai-to-replace-entry-level-jobs
In short, AI might have some uses, but overall, it's not the life altering thing that its creators and rabid adopters would have the rest of us beleive it is. Unless of course, it's taken that entry level position you've been applying for.
If you talk to people, most people are concerned about AI and even see it as a threat to some extent. There are multiple news articles discussing how AI is killing entry level jobs. This is but one example, there are dozens of articles from reputable sources regarding this issue:
https://hbr.org/2025/09/the-perils-of-using-ai-to-replace-entry-level-jobs
In short, AI might have some uses, but overall, it's not the life altering thing that its creators and rabid adopters would have the rest of us beleive it is. Unless of course, it's taken that entry level position you've been applying for.
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Wed, Oct 08, 2025Ai is killing entry level jobs. another factor is the veteran staff are using ai and not practicing the skills themselves. Eventually there will be no one left that can use the software XD
"Adobe Photoshop new "Harmonize" tool uses AI to blend images with pro-level realism" So blending layers will be a lost art unless the pro's do it manually.
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Cornell researchers develop invisible light-based watermark to detect deepfakes
https://www.techspot.com/news/109028-researchers-develop-invisible-light-based-watermark-detect-deepfakes.html
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This is interesting and highlights the dangers of deepfakes.
Innovative solutions unveiled at the Deepfake Detection Challenge Showcase
https://ace.blog.gov.uk/2024/07/30/innovative-solutions-unveiled-at-the-deepfake-detection-challenge-showcase/
"Adobe Photoshop new "Harmonize" tool uses AI to blend images with pro-level realism" So blending layers will be a lost art unless the pro's do it manually.
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Cornell researchers develop invisible light-based watermark to detect deepfakes
https://www.techspot.com/news/109028-researchers-develop-invisible-light-based-watermark-detect-deepfakes.html
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This is interesting and highlights the dangers of deepfakes.
Innovative solutions unveiled at the Deepfake Detection Challenge Showcase
https://ace.blog.gov.uk/2024/07/30/innovative-solutions-unveiled-at-the-deepfake-detection-challenge-showcase/
I duno about anyone else but i am fed up with real artist being attacked by incompetent fools that think using ai makes them creative. Stop trolling real artist.
AI is a graphic tool not a form of art. Art needs human emotion. Idiots forget this simple yet obvious point.
AI is a graphic tool not a form of art. Art needs human emotion. Idiots forget this simple yet obvious point.
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Tue, Jan 27When I had to take a break to deal with a new house the stance on Renderhub was NO AI...I come back and the front page image is very bad AI..and I am about to wipe my account. What happened? WHY are bloody blue earth are they supporting environmentally killing, slop!? They use to support real artists that put in the work and now they are prompt puppets?
guy91600
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Tue, Jan 27Quote " What happened? "
Time has passed, ideas have evolved, as have relations between the United States and Europe over the past 80 years.
Time has passed, ideas have evolved, as have relations between the United States and Europe over the past 80 years.
DarkElegance
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Tue, Jan 27You call it evolving? Where? Art is HUMAN created. Not prompt puppet slop. There is zero human effort. Most prompts now are copy/pastes. That is not evolving. That is becoming what the wee disney cartoon WALL-E showed...lazy, people, slumped in chairs with everything done for them...I do not call that evolving...
guy91600
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Wed, Jan 28I completely agree with you, but progress doesn't always lead to improvement; AI in music and image creation is a good example.
Look at my logo that I sometimes put on my clothes.
and for my furniture
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14305/2026-props-and-furniture-for-daz-studio
Look at my logo that I sometimes put on my clothes.
and for my furniture
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14305/2026-props-and-furniture-for-daz-studio
AI is not going anywhere, it is only expanding. is the AI Slop dead, sure, but that is only a tiny fraction of the AI juggernaut.
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Wed, Jan 28https://tech.yahoo.com/ai/articles/microsoft-ceo-satya-nadella-says-040000912.html
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella is concerned that if artificial intelligence doesn’t start delivering real, measurable benefits to society, people will be fed up with it and its price, ending its current form of existence. The Davos stage is an odd venue and audience to preach societal good over other goods, but it certainly helped his comments stand out.
AI developers "have to get to a point where we are using this to do something useful that changes the outcomes of people and communities and countries and industries. Otherwise, I don't think this makes much sense," Nadella explained during a conversation with BlackRock CEO Larry Fink.
"We will quickly lose even the social permission to take something like energy, which is a scarce resource, and use it to generate these tokens, if these tokens are not improving health outcomes, education outcomes, public sector efficiency, private sector competitiveness, across all sectors, small and large."
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella is concerned that if artificial intelligence doesn’t start delivering real, measurable benefits to society, people will be fed up with it and its price, ending its current form of existence. The Davos stage is an odd venue and audience to preach societal good over other goods, but it certainly helped his comments stand out.
AI developers "have to get to a point where we are using this to do something useful that changes the outcomes of people and communities and countries and industries. Otherwise, I don't think this makes much sense," Nadella explained during a conversation with BlackRock CEO Larry Fink.
"We will quickly lose even the social permission to take something like energy, which is a scarce resource, and use it to generate these tokens, if these tokens are not improving health outcomes, education outcomes, public sector efficiency, private sector competitiveness, across all sectors, small and large."
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Wed, Jan 28Thank you for that, Excessive.
I hope this is like HoloLens and the hollo things (virtual reality). It doesn't truly go away but it fades into the background.
I really don't want people to lose their jobs to the technology.
I hope this is like HoloLens and the hollo things (virtual reality). It doesn't truly go away but it fades into the background.
I really don't want people to lose their jobs to the technology.
DarkElegance
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Wed, Jan 28The "Slop" is not dead. I was shocked to find it on the front page of renderhub. With the IRONIC notation of how many polygones etc,etc,etc. The slop may get to some, harder to detect, but it is not dead. it is the "easy" out for those that can not handle putting effort in. That is the sad truth.
I can respect work and effort and…failure. As without failure you never move forwards. I can not respect those that blatantly steal, and then LIE about it. Such as the piece I found on the front page of Renderhub!
The disappointment I felt seeing it...again. The disappointment I felt in the fact the place that use to have the stance it was for HUMAN artwork...now sliding into a muck mire of slop...is completely....I dont have words.
I can respect work and effort and…failure. As without failure you never move forwards. I can not respect those that blatantly steal, and then LIE about it. Such as the piece I found on the front page of Renderhub!
The disappointment I felt seeing it...again. The disappointment I felt in the fact the place that use to have the stance it was for HUMAN artwork...now sliding into a muck mire of slop...is completely....I dont have words.
Masterstroke
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Fri, Mar 13"Prepare" for what?
"Prepare" how? By just going along with the crowd, and keeping silent?
"Prepare" how? By just going along with the crowd, and keeping silent?
There are two vectors that will soon crash into each other.
1.) Seemingly endless money is being pumped into AI development and "investment". It's a race to see which megacorp could profit the most from the endgame of AI, which is:
2.) The replacement of Human-held jobs with AI.
AI doesn't drive the economy. Humans do. Once there's enough Humans who are unemployed, the only money changing hands will be the megacorps. What will they be producing, and for whom? What will they do when nobody can buy what they're selling?
Don't even get me started on the shortage of physical silver. Silver's needed in manufacturing electronic components, and this AI slop-wave is gobbling up every cirtuit needed to keep it going.
We're cooked. This goes way beyond artwork being misappropriated. The misappropriation of art is just the first step. This is an economic race to the bottom, and everything's at stake. Our global energy, our global water resources, our global manufacturing materials, and our global workforce.
1.) Seemingly endless money is being pumped into AI development and "investment". It's a race to see which megacorp could profit the most from the endgame of AI, which is:
2.) The replacement of Human-held jobs with AI.
AI doesn't drive the economy. Humans do. Once there's enough Humans who are unemployed, the only money changing hands will be the megacorps. What will they be producing, and for whom? What will they do when nobody can buy what they're selling?
Don't even get me started on the shortage of physical silver. Silver's needed in manufacturing electronic components, and this AI slop-wave is gobbling up every cirtuit needed to keep it going.
We're cooked. This goes way beyond artwork being misappropriated. The misappropriation of art is just the first step. This is an economic race to the bottom, and everything's at stake. Our global energy, our global water resources, our global manufacturing materials, and our global workforce.
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Sun, Feb 15Indeed.. How are you Pinspotter? hope the move went well and your settled in now.
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Wed, Mar 04I've been wanting to make a post about such things, but they have very little to do with RenderHub and DAZ Studio. Still making stuff in Studio, but I've also been making jewelry and other things, combining what I have and can buy with 3D printed parts. I've modeled a lot of jewelry findings in Blender and printed working pieces with one of my 3D printers. I've also been engraving painted canvas with one of my laser engravers.
In other news, I've set aside my career as a bowl tech, and picked up a job as a slot tech at a casino about a mile away from my house. Been there a month now, and the pay is equal to what I was making servicing pinspotters, plus a full benefits package and I'm in a union now. My tech director has a 3D printer and a gantry laser engraver. We've talked about opening brick & mortar stores for 3D printing, sales, and prototype design. A lot has changed in my life.
My 3D renders have slowed down because I am learning a new skillset; I'm not turning wrenches anymore. My servicing involves electronics and computer modules now, and since I am working on slot machines I am learning procedures due to handling a *lot* of cash. I hold two licenses with the Ohio Lottery Commission. It's mentally exhausting.
In other news, I've set aside my career as a bowl tech, and picked up a job as a slot tech at a casino about a mile away from my house. Been there a month now, and the pay is equal to what I was making servicing pinspotters, plus a full benefits package and I'm in a union now. My tech director has a 3D printer and a gantry laser engraver. We've talked about opening brick & mortar stores for 3D printing, sales, and prototype design. A lot has changed in my life.
My 3D renders have slowed down because I am learning a new skillset; I'm not turning wrenches anymore. My servicing involves electronics and computer modules now, and since I am working on slot machines I am learning procedures due to handling a *lot* of cash. I hold two licenses with the Ohio Lottery Commission. It's mentally exhausting.
Chiming in with my own $0.02 here if anyone's interested.
Personally, I enjoy messing around with local AI and seeing what it can do. Honestly, I really do think that there is a place for it in an artist's tool belt...if it's utilized properly and not just as an "easy button". If you're really chasing that "hyperrealism" train, honestly I think there's no better way. Setup your render in Daz, then get a local image gen model to recreate the image, setting the CFG to 0 (that's the AI's 'creativity' the higher the number, the more liberties it will take when rendering the image). If you want to even make sure you're doing character consistency with your models, setup a LoRA for your models beforehand. This takes a little extra work, but pays off if you want the consistency.
And now, with some models, you can even create lengthy videos. Again, if you're a good script writer, you dial the creativity down as low as you can go, then write out your script, for each 8-10 second chunk, using your renders as reference points, etc.
Or, you can stick with all that, and use an LLM with vision to help critique work. Or use an online LLM to help you learn Blender, or Unreal Engine 5.0
Personally, I enjoy messing around with local AI and seeing what it can do. Honestly, I really do think that there is a place for it in an artist's tool belt...if it's utilized properly and not just as an "easy button". If you're really chasing that "hyperrealism" train, honestly I think there's no better way. Setup your render in Daz, then get a local image gen model to recreate the image, setting the CFG to 0 (that's the AI's 'creativity' the higher the number, the more liberties it will take when rendering the image). If you want to even make sure you're doing character consistency with your models, setup a LoRA for your models beforehand. This takes a little extra work, but pays off if you want the consistency.
And now, with some models, you can even create lengthy videos. Again, if you're a good script writer, you dial the creativity down as low as you can go, then write out your script, for each 8-10 second chunk, using your renders as reference points, etc.
Or, you can stick with all that, and use an LLM with vision to help critique work. Or use an online LLM to help you learn Blender, or Unreal Engine 5.0
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Tue, Mar 10Thanks for you comment, it is welcome but I am somewhat of a purist.
There may well be a place for ai on social media or some movies, games or music. But it is pop culture, not cinema or for want of a better term "High Arts"
What I mean by that is the very intricate details that a director or composer puts into a piece. every piece of Mise-en-scène, every shadow and very important everything that gets left out.
We all have very different ambitions, goals, styles and backgrounds and although I may be able to appreciate an ai image for it's glossy shine it fails to speak to me in a way I can relate.
Additionally I enjoy my current workflow. It has taken many years to get here, It's fun and creative as well as giving me the freedom to make just about anything. I enjoy the process and wouldn't swap it for ai where your not really doing anything except tweaking scripts. I need the challenge just like a gamer needs the challenge.
"hyperrealism" can be achieved with many of the game or animation engines. Ideally using a game engine you have a valuable product at the end.
Unreal, 3dcoat, zbrush, PS (old), MD, to name just a few, I don't have any spare time for ai as it doesn't give me anything at the end. Nothing to show for the time except a lot of glossy pictures. I cant sell ai pictures after so many years already invested in my craft.
I hope that makes sense of the reason I'm against using ai in my work, Cheers.
There may well be a place for ai on social media or some movies, games or music. But it is pop culture, not cinema or for want of a better term "High Arts"
What I mean by that is the very intricate details that a director or composer puts into a piece. every piece of Mise-en-scène, every shadow and very important everything that gets left out.
We all have very different ambitions, goals, styles and backgrounds and although I may be able to appreciate an ai image for it's glossy shine it fails to speak to me in a way I can relate.
Additionally I enjoy my current workflow. It has taken many years to get here, It's fun and creative as well as giving me the freedom to make just about anything. I enjoy the process and wouldn't swap it for ai where your not really doing anything except tweaking scripts. I need the challenge just like a gamer needs the challenge.
"hyperrealism" can be achieved with many of the game or animation engines. Ideally using a game engine you have a valuable product at the end.
Unreal, 3dcoat, zbrush, PS (old), MD, to name just a few, I don't have any spare time for ai as it doesn't give me anything at the end. Nothing to show for the time except a lot of glossy pictures. I cant sell ai pictures after so many years already invested in my craft.
I hope that makes sense of the reason I'm against using ai in my work, Cheers.
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Wed, Mar 11I agree entirely. I don't think it will entirely supplant other artistic forms. I do see it becoming more of an acceptable form, or various aspects of it being integrated in without much blow back from society. This really happens all the time with technology.
Remember when cellphones first came out and were not so niche anymore, nor as expensive that they started to become more mainstream? There were a number of social taboos around them. Don't use them in the bathroom, don't talk on speaker phone, etc. Now? Everyone has one jammed in their face 24/7 and no one blinks. I can't count how many times I've been in a public restroom and some dude is there talking on speaker phone while he's at a urinal. Gross...but...no one says anything. We think it, but we just ignore it. And it won't be long before no one even thinks about it anymore.
I also think back to this website, photo.net. Guy started it in the mid 90s as a college project. He was a major in photography, and a minor in computer science. The site was a place for photographers to get together, discuss techniques, etc. There was push back when digital cameras started becoming more common and higher quality. "Real photographers know when to time their shots. You can't just take 1000 pictures and pick the best one. That's not art!" And the same when PhotoShop started becoming more available and had better tools. "Real art isn't in the digital dark room! A real photographer knows exactly how to set the camera settings and do all the adjustments needed IN camera! And the REAL magic happens in the chemical room!"
There was even blow back when tablets started getting more popular and affordable for digital artists. "That's not real art! Someone an just copy and paste your images! All you're doing is picking colours and filling in! Real art is on paper!"
I've seen it all. I used to be avid into model photography (see my other post about how I got into Daz). When I picked up Daz, I was thinking, "Am I cheating? All I'm doing is posing a model and essentially doing a 'glorified' screenshot of it." I've had people even comment that it's "not art, it's just a screenshot...I could do that with Red Dead Redemption II, etc."
Remember when cellphones first came out and were not so niche anymore, nor as expensive that they started to become more mainstream? There were a number of social taboos around them. Don't use them in the bathroom, don't talk on speaker phone, etc. Now? Everyone has one jammed in their face 24/7 and no one blinks. I can't count how many times I've been in a public restroom and some dude is there talking on speaker phone while he's at a urinal. Gross...but...no one says anything. We think it, but we just ignore it. And it won't be long before no one even thinks about it anymore.
I also think back to this website, photo.net. Guy started it in the mid 90s as a college project. He was a major in photography, and a minor in computer science. The site was a place for photographers to get together, discuss techniques, etc. There was push back when digital cameras started becoming more common and higher quality. "Real photographers know when to time their shots. You can't just take 1000 pictures and pick the best one. That's not art!" And the same when PhotoShop started becoming more available and had better tools. "Real art isn't in the digital dark room! A real photographer knows exactly how to set the camera settings and do all the adjustments needed IN camera! And the REAL magic happens in the chemical room!"
There was even blow back when tablets started getting more popular and affordable for digital artists. "That's not real art! Someone an just copy and paste your images! All you're doing is picking colours and filling in! Real art is on paper!"
I've seen it all. I used to be avid into model photography (see my other post about how I got into Daz). When I picked up Daz, I was thinking, "Am I cheating? All I'm doing is posing a model and essentially doing a 'glorified' screenshot of it." I've had people even comment that it's "not art, it's just a screenshot...I could do that with Red Dead Redemption II, etc."
AI is alive and well and growing in all areas of the economy. wishful thinking will not stop it at this point.
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Thu, Mar 12do you pay to use ai?
Something like 30 / 40 bucks a month for 5 to 10 images seems like a lot of cash to fork out. What do you get for that?
Something like 30 / 40 bucks a month for 5 to 10 images seems like a lot of cash to fork out. What do you get for that?
bonj
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Thu, Mar 12The 4th industrial revolution that nobody wants or needs. Not really a revolution more of a corporate takeover. How are humans meant to make a living?
bonj
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Fri, Mar 13Did you actually watch the video above? The point of this thread is who is going to pay for ai
Here's a more relevant threads if you wish to argue the point. Ai will not survive if there's no money to pay for it. Art is just one tiny factor. ai governance, military, medicine all very dangerous if left to it's own devices. Is that the world you want? ai will decide if your children live with you, it will decide if you are an illegal it will be a sci-fi hell that we all share.
ai is a new religion now , not mine as I want nothing to do with it because it is just a bunch of scripts written by men to trick and control you all. There is no real ai folks, just men manipulating you using code. Have fun with that.
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/9740/traditional-filmanimation-cg-has-maybe-five-years-left
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14238/computinggpus-as-a-subscription-service-only
Here's a more relevant threads if you wish to argue the point. Ai will not survive if there's no money to pay for it. Art is just one tiny factor. ai governance, military, medicine all very dangerous if left to it's own devices. Is that the world you want? ai will decide if your children live with you, it will decide if you are an illegal it will be a sci-fi hell that we all share.
ai is a new religion now , not mine as I want nothing to do with it because it is just a bunch of scripts written by men to trick and control you all. There is no real ai folks, just men manipulating you using code. Have fun with that.
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/9740/traditional-filmanimation-cg-has-maybe-five-years-left
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14238/computinggpus-as-a-subscription-service-only
DoroThee237
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Sat, Mar 14Quote: "100% is the maximum amount; the scale doesn't go any higher."
120% is possible for waist expansion on a garment with Daz Studio
120% is possible for waist expansion on a garment with Daz Studio
Tenserknot
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Sun, Mar 15Math is flexible that way. 4X is 400% , 100/100 = 1 =100% there are lots of variables with math
Its going to pop at some time because that's what bubbles eventually do.
I think it will be the same as the dot.com bubble. Lots of smaller companies went to wall and we were left with the likes of Microsoft and Apple OS controlling the market.
AI will still be here, the genii is out of the bottle, but most of the systems people are using today, especially regarding image, music and video creation will end up in dark corners of the internet collecting dust.
I think it will be the same as the dot.com bubble. Lots of smaller companies went to wall and we were left with the likes of Microsoft and Apple OS controlling the market.
AI will still be here, the genii is out of the bottle, but most of the systems people are using today, especially regarding image, music and video creation will end up in dark corners of the internet collecting dust.
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What will you all do when the render engine in Daz goes from Iray to Ai? Seriously, I'd love to know.
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Masterstroke
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Fri, Mar 13Right now, it's not there yet.
We keep on being vocal rejecting Generative AI.
Again, my point is, that AI tools are not all bad.
AI is bad, when it makes artistic decisions for you.
AI is not bad, when it solves technical problems.
In case of 3d figures and characters, it can help with cloth and hair simulations.
It can help simulating the move of different kind of body tissues for better posing and animations.
It can help with more accurate lights and shaders.
Generative AI is for loosers, when it is basically about "make me a nice pin up art picture" or make me a nice song with guitars"
We keep on being vocal rejecting Generative AI.
Again, my point is, that AI tools are not all bad.
AI is bad, when it makes artistic decisions for you.
AI is not bad, when it solves technical problems.
In case of 3d figures and characters, it can help with cloth and hair simulations.
It can help simulating the move of different kind of body tissues for better posing and animations.
It can help with more accurate lights and shaders.
Generative AI is for loosers, when it is basically about "make me a nice pin up art picture" or make me a nice song with guitars"
Pushee-Ri
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Fri, Mar 13As long as the " AI Render Engine " (whatever that’s supposed to be - probably just another one of those arguments from the Sears Krabbeltisch) doesn't change anything about the image that I don't want, and it's 100% controllable by hand: so why not? Why would anyone object if their image is rendered exactly as planned... but just in better quality?
In this case, we're talking about standard AI... not generative AI. Great difference, right?
In this case, we're talking about standard AI... not generative AI. Great difference, right?
Jackolantern
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Fri, Mar 13But how could you control an Ai render engine to give you the option to specify exactly how every single element should look. Even in a simple scene with a couple of people in a room there must be millions of parameters that you might want to alter.
Jackolantern
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Fri, Mar 13Of course you 'could' let the Ai engine decide just what colour that characters hair is, and just what weave their silk tie is made with, etc etc etc, but then you're back to generative Ai.
Jackolantern
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Fri, Mar 13I'm asking the question.. If you have an AI render engine which is not generative, how can you control the almost infinite level of detail which would be required to exactly define even a simple image.
Jackolantern
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Fri, Mar 13With DAZ Studio, for example.. You take an item which is defined by vertices, edges and faces. You apply a shader to the surfaces, and the render engine renders that item as part of a scene. If you want to use AI to improve the end result then the extra information needed to achieve that has to come from somewhere. One option is generative, where the AI render engine refers to it's library of similar surfaces, the other option is the users specifies everything in precise detail.
Jackolantern
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Fri, Mar 13If you take a DAZ render and feed it into one of the current AI programs as a source image, and ask the AI engine to make it 'photo realistic' it will change a myriad of things.. hair, skin, textiles, lighting the list goes on and on. But that's being done by the generative AI finding similar photo elements from its database. If you take out that generative function how will the AI improve the image? ( ok so it might have a better quality raytracer but the scene content needs some extra detail added for realism.)
the joker of spades
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Fri, Mar 13I will continue to use the version and material I have, fortunately not everyone likes to make themselves look good with the help of artificial intelligence... although it is very popular here... especially by those who manage it.
Jackolantern
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Fri, Mar 13I agree. I don't like AI and I apologise if my comments made it seem like I was defending it. I just feel that we can't expect an improvement in image output quality unless we find some way to define what exact improvements we want on any given image.
bonj
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Fri, Mar 13@Jackolantern There's a lot of things ai could be used for to speed up and increase render scale. One way it could do this is by creating fake fog / smoke/ environmental atmosphere. Exactly the same way a depth map is made ai could do this live and overlay a depthmap to add fog as well as depth of field. (scripter's take note - this could be a product). In some ways this is generative ai but replacing a traditional process while incorporating it into your render.
That's just one thing ai could do that would be useful and dosn't take away the artist input. It's generative but not... if that makes sense.
I have other methods that I have given some thourt but I won't give it all away for free. I am available as a consultant and from September freelance.
That's just one thing ai could do that would be useful and dosn't take away the artist input. It's generative but not... if that makes sense.
I have other methods that I have given some thourt but I won't give it all away for free. I am available as a consultant and from September freelance.
Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Mar 14Okay, okay... to be honest, I think/feel the whole debate about generative AI is incredibly boring by now (YAWN)... but I still have to say a few words about this discussion:
The question on top is about DAZ, AI and a imaginary AI RENDER ENGINE. So, in my opinion, the issue of the question isn't about a DAZ version including generative AI, changing the color of clothing or hair and ultimately generate AI Slope without the possiblity to control something ... but rather about more intelligent rendering.
So if there were a DAZ version with an AI rendering ENGINE that - after I’ve set up my scene with my models, clothing, hair, colors, camera angles, lighting, etc. - would render a better image with better contrast, etc. (without me having to spend hours fiddling with the tone mapping settings)... what reason would I have to object?
The question on top is about DAZ, AI and a imaginary AI RENDER ENGINE. So, in my opinion, the issue of the question isn't about a DAZ version including generative AI, changing the color of clothing or hair and ultimately generate AI Slope without the possiblity to control something ... but rather about more intelligent rendering.
So if there were a DAZ version with an AI rendering ENGINE that - after I’ve set up my scene with my models, clothing, hair, colors, camera angles, lighting, etc. - would render a better image with better contrast, etc. (without me having to spend hours fiddling with the tone mapping settings)... what reason would I have to object?
Darkseal
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Sat, Mar 14I see you all have little acceptations to this "no ai" rule. It's ok if it only does XYZ.... which you know you can all do right this very moment with image 2 image rendering with masks. Want only environmental fog? Done. Want only to change the hair color? Done. You might call it slop but I call it freedom to do as little or as much as you want. It's just a tool, don't be a slave to your own misconceptions.
Open your mind Quaid. Open your mind
Open your mind Quaid. Open your mind
We are not dinosaurs our creative lives are not over.
I honestly wish that there wasn't so much conflict between us all while discussing ai. Artist with integrity that don't want to use ai should not be made to feel like leaving the site. Sadly that is the truth. People leave renderhub because of ai and the conflict it causes here.
Ai is in the main gallery if you know how to spot it.
I honestly wish that there wasn't so much conflict between us all while discussing ai. Artist with integrity that don't want to use ai should not be made to feel like leaving the site. Sadly that is the truth. People leave renderhub because of ai and the conflict it causes here.
Ai is in the main gallery if you know how to spot it.
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Jackolantern
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Fri, Mar 13I think it's important to tolerate other peoples opinions, on AI or on anything really. So long as people aren't trying to 'convert' me to their way of thinking I'm happy for anyone to have their say. I can only speak for myself of course.
Darkseal
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Sat, Mar 14yes, I only wish people were tolerant as well and not made to be kicked into the "Ai corner" for minor edits or sourcing a texture using ai for a 3d render. I was just curious what eveyone would do if Daz switched from iRay to an Ai alternative. Because I think we all know it's possible for them to do if they wanted to at this point. (they being any company)...
I seriously doubt they will though, you can't sell a Genesis skin to people who can render their own skins......... so rest easy knowing Daz would NEVER do it.
I seriously doubt they will though, you can't sell a Genesis skin to people who can render their own skins......... so rest easy knowing Daz would NEVER do it.
Masterstroke
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Sat, Mar 14The reality is aside from all technical aspects, that AI results look all pretty much the same, maybe because of some self-enforcing algorhythm.
An AI-tool has learnt how light works.
An AI-tool has learnt how different surfaces reflect and absorb light.
An AI.tool has learnt the physics of motions and gravity.
An AI-tool has learnt, how different body tissues with an underlying sceleton works.
Up to here, I'd be fine with AI-tools
On the other hand a generative AI uses already existing artistic results to generate AI renders.
Generative AI makes use of ownership protected artwork to produce results.
Generative AI fills blanks in the users concept.
This is the part, I am not fine with.
And no, I am not tolerant and I am fine with not being tolerant.
An AI-tool has learnt how light works.
An AI-tool has learnt how different surfaces reflect and absorb light.
An AI.tool has learnt the physics of motions and gravity.
An AI-tool has learnt, how different body tissues with an underlying sceleton works.
Up to here, I'd be fine with AI-tools
On the other hand a generative AI uses already existing artistic results to generate AI renders.
Generative AI makes use of ownership protected artwork to produce results.
Generative AI fills blanks in the users concept.
This is the part, I am not fine with.
And no, I am not tolerant and I am fine with not being tolerant.
Masterstroke
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Sat, Mar 14BTW, I decided to stop here, before it gets heated.
I know I do have a tendecy to get heated, so I will stop right here.
I know I do have a tendecy to get heated, so I will stop right here.
bonj
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Sat, Mar 14@darkseal Tolerance is a two way thing. You pro ai people are the ones being aggressive. This site grew because of it's no ai policy, then it changed. Do you suggest we original artist now leave so you can all enjoy your slop in peace?
Where are renderhub in this? they created this division and yet remain silent. Making profit either way they do not care about the artist . .
@darkseal I ask again did you watch the original video and who is paying for ai?
A main river in the usa drops it's water level by over 90 percent in 24hours. how do we priorities who gets water first?
Do you honestly feel "kicked into an ai corner? your far too sensitive,
It's not just about generative slop, it's real lives.
Where are renderhub in this? they created this division and yet remain silent. Making profit either way they do not care about the artist . .
@darkseal I ask again did you watch the original video and who is paying for ai?
A main river in the usa drops it's water level by over 90 percent in 24hours. how do we priorities who gets water first?
Do you honestly feel "kicked into an ai corner? your far too sensitive,
It's not just about generative slop, it's real lives.
Darkseal
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Sat, Mar 14have I been aggressive?
no, i did not watch the video, so I have no idea what your water has to do with ai.
did I say "i" was kicked into a corner?
i am a real life, i am not slop. i merely asked a question, look how tolerant you are.
no, i did not watch the video, so I have no idea what your water has to do with ai.
did I say "i" was kicked into a corner?
i am a real life, i am not slop. i merely asked a question, look how tolerant you are.
bonj
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Sat, Mar 14No, you did not watch the video, Yet you took the time to comment on a video you did not watch. HAHAHAHAHAHA
Your amazing!
Your amazing!
https://www.polygon.com/arc-raiders-fewer-ai-voices-now/Arc Raiders now has fewer AI voice lines as studio head admits 'a real professional actor is better than AI'
gosh really
gosh really
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