Daz Genesis 10 Figure - Share Your Thoughts (CLOSED)

It's been a while since Genesis 9 was released, and many users have been wondering what might come next.

If Daz 3D releases a Genesis 10 figure for Daz Studio, what would YOU like to see?

Share your thoughts!

Separate male and female figures to begin with. With their own separate JCMs.  A navel...and nipples.  Back in the day, DAZ used to release reduced resolution versions of some of their figures alongside the main figure. A reduced resolution version of Genesis 10 alongside the main figure will be a great addition. 

At a minimum, I think one separate Genesis 10 Female and one separate Genesis 10 Male are required.
A texture that doesn't require an exorbitantly priced graphics card to render in a reasonable amount of time.
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Au minimum un Genesis 10 Female et un Genesis 10 Male distinct je pense que c'est le minimum.
Une texture qui ne demande pas une carte graphique à un prix exorbitant pour avoir un rendu en un temps acceptable

Gen 10 should be more flexible and not stiff-feeling. Genesis 8 is my favorite because of this, albeit Daz Studio feels very dated with posing regardless. 
(which is funny coming from me who has used Garry's Mod/Source Engine for years lol)

I'd have to agree.
Separate Male and Female bases (at least).

Another thing I just thought of: a separate material zone for the lips! A small thing that goes a long way!

Maybe it's because I am old(er) and my idea of time has changed, but G9 still feels brand new to me.
Too early to think of G10.
On the other hand, I'd wish for a G10 to fix pretty much everything, but according to my life experience, it won't.
-No magic weight mapping bones will make JCMs obsolete.
-No magic mesh layout will make JCMs obsolete.
-No soft dynamics mimicing body tissues on G10 figures.
-No additional bones on spines will give more flexability.
-No FACT expression sets for all characters fit perfect.
-No HD morphing for everyone on G10 characters.

All that I already hoped for G9.
G10 will have changes for the sake of doing something different, but without any real improvements.

For anyone interested, this is how CC4(May2022) looked when Genesis 9 released (Oct2022), and how CC5 (August2025) looks now, which would be the G10 counterpart of Reallusion.  

 

I find it interesting  that Daz will not even allow a speculative discussion on a potential Genesis 10 figure on their forums.

https://www.daz3d.com/forums/discussion/754716/genesis-10

Just my opinion , but given its typical use case, I believe that Daz figure technology has long ago hit a technological plateau, with G9 being
a bit of a step backwards IMHO.

Here, in 2026, the overwhelming majority of the Daz studio user base uses the Daz Genesis models to create.
Still image renders using the NVIDIA Iray render engine.


For that limited end goal, I'm having a hard time imagining what else people think they would need in a Daz Genesis figure operating inside Daz studio rendering with Iray.

Obviously as a retired hobbyist animated filmmaker, my suggestion would be to Add a proper human Ik animation control rig So that people can use their Daz studio to make 3D animated films.
However to make that a worthwhile endeavor one would have to completely overhaul the animation system of daz studio itself for which there is little to zero actual demand from the user base, as those of them who were actually serious about animating have long since moved on to Blender, cascadeur or…. AI

Thay lost me at G9,  G10 wont matter.  im off the train.  I just stick around out of habit, at this point

Trying to push a new figure while their business model is burning down around their ears is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Of course, it's also exactly what DAZ would do -- they've never missed an opportunity to do exactly the wrong thing when it matters the most. 

I'm willing to give it a chance, but at this point, how interested or ready is Daz from ditching G9 in favor of a new and shiny G10? Also, weren't they slowly entering the wide world of AI? Is G10 going be AI?

Ideally, I would like an abstract gX.  Not a figure per se but a set of clones and bridges to unify all of the Genesis figures such that all characters, all clothes, all poses, all expressions, and (ideally) all geo graphs were forward and backwards compatible.  "Universal compatibility" between 3, 8, 8.1, and 9 at minimum.  And I'm not talking about a patchwork of click and wait scripts, I want a clean workflow where I can just add the figure, pose, and expression based on artistic not technical requirements.  That's what I'd like to see.

They need to open up HD morphs for everyone, not just for a selected few. If they do that, there will be a DAZ boom for more than a few years to come. There would be no need for those unpleasant tier-locked subscriptions or generation incompatibility. There is no need for yet another generation. I know there is controversy around Genesis 9, and depending on which side you are on, you might see the reflection of that. But to me, it is just clay, completely non-ideological and artificially limited, but simply that, a clump of clay.

Quote:They need to open up HD morphs for everyone, not just for a selected few. If they do that, there will be a DAZ boom for more than a few years to come.

The proprietary HD Morph technology, that Daz restricts to their published artists, is a way of maintaining artificial scarcity in the Daz content market.

Releasing the HD morph tool to everyone would create a flood of third party HD Morphs sold elsewhere, to compete directly with the Daz store and devalue the HD morph technology because of excess abundance.

Daz is desperately clinging to the few "innovations "that they feel have left regarding their figure technology.

And this is understandable as the original long term (publicly stated) plan for the Genesis figure platform was to be a "universal high quality character resource for the entire 3D/CG industry "and in that regard, they have failed miserably.

And not so much because their solutions were bad.
 It's because they did not understand the power of entrenched habits and the ecosystem pipeline comfort bubbles of the various external markets they were trying to penetrate.

Tafi, the parent company of Daz, has tried almost everything to get their figure technology into other markets.


Video game content as Unity install package files: failed.
The Metaverse: Well, we all know how that has turned out.
NFTs: well we all know how that turned out.

A lame, bare bones, onsite AI image generator ,trained on Daz content,to try to compete with 
midjourney etc. to keep the faithful on the Plantation: failed (Shutdown last year.)

"Bridge/export" plugins for the major 3DCC's Such as Maya,Cinema4D and Blender.
Overwhelmingly ignored by those user bases.

So IMHO, pushing out another new figure base with a few poo-ware ornamental changes and calling it "Genesis 10"
is not going to improve Daz's fading relevance in the slightest.

Absolutely don't care what daz does at this point. cling to old outdated tech at this point. the entire world has moved on, except for those poor few hanging aorund. 

Seperate male and female, but NO seperate eyes and mouth figures.

If it's not Separate meshes like Gen 3, Gen 8 and have FULL COMPATIBILTY with those 2 Gens for conversions, it is OVER for DAZ...

All I can really think of that I would see as an upgrade worthy of the name would be, basically Genesis 8.1, but now with better rigging for extremely exaggerated figures that doesn't break at the hip and such. 

Also, some kind of real full body physics that allow some squish and wiggle without relying on morphs fit to specific items of clothing.

And of course, knock it off with the flailing desperation to have all male and female morphs in a single figure as in Genesis 9. I won't sit here and tell you I haven't picked up any G9 addons; of course I have. It just causes more problems than it solves as for as I can see or care about.

Also, some method of backwards compatibility with previous Genesis generations, and even pre-Genesis generations like 4. And no enshittified subscription nonsense.

One other point I'd like to make is that as long as the whole rental-ware concept is in play, it doesn't matter how cool a hypothetical Genesis 10 figure is, I won't be buying it or any assets for it. 

I genuinely don't believe G10 will ever turn up. What we'll get is G9.1 as 2 separate figures and then that's it. Most of the people who use Studio are hobby artists (myself included). A large percentage of commercial artists have moved over to programs like Blender or have gone over to high end AI programs, just using studio to create things like character cards. 

Creating G10 as two separate figures - and upgrading it from G9 - would require Daz to start from scratch and the Tafi shareholders wouldn't like that as it would bite into their profit margin (small as it probably is) time wise.

I think this is the main reason that discussing G10 in the Daz forums is "forbidden". Not because they are worried about giving away any secrets or clues but because they don't want to admit it wont happen.

They really need to focus on making Studio work properly but, as its a free program, they only way they would be able justify it to Tafi is by either making it a purchasable program or going down the "rent a software" route which is what the Premier membership is laying the ground work for (and is more profitable).

I really want to be able to make animations - that's why I got involved with 3D art in the first place. Studio is still useless for that and the learning curve for Blender is so high I'll be dead of old age before I master it.

This is why I'm looking at shifting to High End AI - create key frames in Studio then put them together in AI to create animations. Considering the amount of money I spend in Daz each month (way too much but then I'm a sucker for a sale) I would be better off financially taking out subscriptions to a handful of AI systems and using them. I have already amassed a large library of assets - I really don't need to buy any more and would probably get more use out of my G3/8 figures than I do now.

G10 will become the CGI unicorn - lots of people will talk about it, some will believe it exists, but nobody will have actually seen it. 

Quote:I really want to be able to make animations - that's why I got involved with 3D art in the first place. Studio is still useless for that and the learning curve for Blender is so high I'll be dead of old age before I master it.
This is why I'm looking at shifting to High End AI - create key frames in Studio then put them together in AI to create animations. Considering the amount of money I spend in Daz each month (way too much but then I'm a sucker for a sale) I would be better off financially taking out subscriptions to a handful of AI systems and using them.


If you are regularly spending at least $30 a month on Daz content ,or something like that Ridiculous premier subscription for Daz studio., And you want to get into animations that look as good as any Iray Render, (YET YOU CAN PRODUCE THEM IN SECONDS INSTEAD OF MULTIPLE HOURS. )then indeed switching to something like Grok super( $30/mo) is definitely a better option IMHO and yes you can use ALL of you existing content
 or favorite characters as seed image to create animations.

Here we go ...
 

I don't mind a single figure for male and female, except that the following need to be separate:

Different base  rigging to suit the male and female base shapes. One base rig isn't going to work for both.
Different topology since base males and females have significantly different body shapes ( breasts etc )
Different UV's , again because the male and female body shapes are so different

And if you're going to do all that, you might as well make two separate figures anyway.

You 'could' use AI to create art for you, but why stop there? 
Why not train the AI to sift though all the available art and then tell you which ones are the best, think of the time you'll save looking at art that isn't top rated?
Why play a game when you can have AI play it for you and get a better high score?
Why chat to humans when an AI is so much more intelligent and witty?
In fact why bother living at all, when an AI can be a far more useful member of society.

Why play the piano when an AI can play it more accurately?
Why run a marathon when it's quicker by car?
Why climb a mountain when a helicopter can fly you straight to the top?

Because .... once you remove the human experience, the 'fun', then the whole thing loses meaning. The journey is more important than the destination.

If your only interest is having your photo taken standing at the top of the mountain, then sure use technology to get you there, but don't be surprised when people laugh in your face when they find out how you did it. Same with AI.

I'm looking forward to G10 , G9 sucks I still use G8

I wish they got more detailed skin textures and lets say more "auto pose" ability.
True Mesh collision
Auto JCM

G9 is the best. I get better results in the portraits with the G9 characters. I would jump into genesis 10 something like 6 months after its release.

Considering the recent Poll says that nearly 60% are still using G8, I would think the percentage of folk using Studio for portraits are probably nearer 40 -45% at most.

I would give another vote for male & female base meshes & an useful level of backward compatibility to enable use of our substantial investment in what are now legacy items.

10 would mean i go crazy and make my fav's models again XD
PLEASE DONT IM NOT READY FOR THIS.

9.1 seems more logical. When the new Daz update does happen, I would love to see a huge rollout starting with the separating of female and male characters. That should've never happened in the first place, and feels rather lazy.

I very frequently read that many users are unhappy that the Genesis 9 male and female model is a single figure. To me, this complaint seems quite absurd; the model looks exactly how it should in both versions and I find it much more versatile this way-characters and outfits with all the possibilities in a single figure.
I think it's more of an ideological issue, like that guy who used to post about how the Illuminati want to turn everyone transsexual (or something like that, lol).
I hope the next generation of Genesis keeps this dual feature, and I hope they can finally make an advancement in the figure to get rid of that 'typically Daz' look and make the model more natural

Here we are waiting for Genesis 10 while someone already makes Genesis 35 
https://www.renderhub.com/adelia774/btari-belva-benita-for-genesis-8-female

Why Does Genesis 10 have to be a DAZ Studio figure?
DAZ studio is a dead end. No big progresses made.
DAZ makes money with content, not with the software.
Why couldn't DAZ make Genesis 10 a native Blender figure, since everybody is using Blender nowadys.
DAZ could switch completely to making content for Blender, updating some of their greatest hits content items to native Blender items.
Even if you are a Blender idi*t like me, you could use Blender just as a click and render app like DAZ Studio before and maybe even learn something new.
Other folks could still use old DS with old content and if needed use various exporters.
That wouldn't hurt DAZ, for they could keep selling content, Daz would safe money on software development, while many vendors use Blender anyway.
On a user side, you are no longer tight to Windows-OS or Nvidea GPUs for quicker renders.
You could easily make use of advanced Blender add ons for quicker clothes simulations or better skin shaders.
So, why not?

Moved the OT conversation to the appropriate thread.

The worst part is, to have to have this conversation HERE, instead of over at DAZ, because we know, we might be locked down pretty soon.
Having that said, here is my point and it is about "Anatomical Elements" on potential Genesis 10 figures.
I want genitals embeded as a basic part of the base mesh geometry. Just like some older Poser figures used to have it, but just high quality.
(I do think, that DAZ's privat bits are still superior to any 3rd party bits.) 
There should be morphs for the male bits, in order to fit them into pants. 
A set of neutral asexual geograft bits should be provided for those, who prefer Barbies and Kens. 

My Genesis 10 wishlist:
- separate male and female figures 
- standard 'clothed' figure shapes smooths out the anatomy and gives an underlying structure to clothing to reduce that shrinkwrapped look that occurs with autofollow, including morphs that compress the skin at standard locations - like waistbands of pants. 
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I just saw this. Maybe some of these problems can be fixed with Pose Studio.
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14751/posestudio-sneek-peak-this-thursday

I want out of that DAZ trap, and I need to take Roxy with me.
So any other software (except Poser) is an option.