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GLBBig Changes at RenderHub: A Platform Evolution
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Today, we'd like to share an important update about the future of RenderHub.
Since the day RenderHub launched, our goal has been to create a place where 3D artists, creators, and enthusiasts can share their work, discover new content, and connect with a growing creative community. Over the years, both the 3D industry and RenderHub have continued to evolve, and we've spent a great deal of time thinking about where we want the platform to be in the years ahead.
After a great deal of consideration, we have made the difficult decision to discontinue adult content across the RenderHub platform. This change is not the result of user misconduct, and it is not a judgment on adult creators, adult art, or the customers who support it.
Adult artists have been a valued part of the RenderHub community, and we appreciate the work, creativity, and business they have brought to the platform. We understand this is disappointing and disruptive for some vendors and customers, especially those who have spent years building their stores, libraries, and audiences here.
So, why are we making this change?
Simply put, we believe this is the right decision for the long-term future of RenderHub.
Our vision is to continue growing RenderHub into a trusted, accessible marketplace and creative community for the wider 3D industry. Whether you're creating assets for games, animation, architectural visualization, education, digital art, or personal projects, we want RenderHub to be a place where creators across the 3D industry feel welcome to learn, share, collaborate, and do business.
The 3D creative landscape continues to grow and evolve at an incredible pace, and we're excited about the future. We believe RenderHub has an opportunity to play an even greater role in supporting artists and creators around the world, and this change is an important step toward that future.
We know not everyone will agree with this decision, and we respect that. Our responsibility is to make the choices we believe will best position RenderHub for long-term success and ensure that the platform continues to grow for years to come.
We're excited about what's ahead, and we look forward to building the next generation of RenderHub together with all of you.
Since the day RenderHub launched, our goal has been to create a place where 3D artists, creators, and enthusiasts can share their work, discover new content, and connect with a growing creative community. Over the years, both the 3D industry and RenderHub have continued to evolve, and we've spent a great deal of time thinking about where we want the platform to be in the years ahead.
After a great deal of consideration, we have made the difficult decision to discontinue adult content across the RenderHub platform. This change is not the result of user misconduct, and it is not a judgment on adult creators, adult art, or the customers who support it.
Adult artists have been a valued part of the RenderHub community, and we appreciate the work, creativity, and business they have brought to the platform. We understand this is disappointing and disruptive for some vendors and customers, especially those who have spent years building their stores, libraries, and audiences here.
So, why are we making this change?
Simply put, we believe this is the right decision for the long-term future of RenderHub.
Our vision is to continue growing RenderHub into a trusted, accessible marketplace and creative community for the wider 3D industry. Whether you're creating assets for games, animation, architectural visualization, education, digital art, or personal projects, we want RenderHub to be a place where creators across the 3D industry feel welcome to learn, share, collaborate, and do business.
The 3D creative landscape continues to grow and evolve at an incredible pace, and we're excited about the future. We believe RenderHub has an opportunity to play an even greater role in supporting artists and creators around the world, and this change is an important step toward that future.
We know not everyone will agree with this decision, and we respect that. Our responsibility is to make the choices we believe will best position RenderHub for long-term success and ensure that the platform continues to grow for years to come.
We're excited about what's ahead, and we look forward to building the next generation of RenderHub together with all of you.
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Sounds like corporate/marketing bloviating to me. I would speculate that the fear-mongers among the vocal minorities that influence the payment processors have more to do with such a decision. I think that you'll find that if you don't stand your ground, you'll soon find yourself without ground to stand upon.
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Well that's one way to knock out 50% of the site in a hurry 
Welcome to the Internet! Apathy is tragedy and boredom is a crime.
Welcome to the Internet! Apathy is tragedy and boredom is a crime.
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The 'Assemblies of God', the Australian based, self appointed keepers of the worlds morality have scored a small victory as RenderHub knuckles under.
You can be sure others will follow. So who's going to step up and tell them to eff off? It's gonna be a fun fight.
You can be sure others will follow. So who's going to step up and tell them to eff off? It's gonna be a fun fight.
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SnarlTheWerewolfTue, Jul 07
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And if you pause the video right here... you can see the exact moment when Renderhub both sold out and lost 70% of its userbase.
I mean, you all gotta do what you gotta do, but nothing say ethical, high quality professional store than one full of pirated, rigged version of video game characters.
I mean, you all gotta do what you gotta do, but nothing say ethical, high quality professional store than one full of pirated, rigged version of video game characters.
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diogenese19348
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Tue, Jul 07OK, that made me laugh 
But they are fully clothed pirated video game characters. and nobody is ever going to make comics of them without the pirate costumes...
But they are fully clothed pirated video game characters. and nobody is ever going to make comics of them without the pirate costumes...
SnarlTheWerewolf
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Tue, Jul 07I mean, this store mainly subsides off of pirated video game characters and adult goods. There's no reason to buy the same non-Daz objects here then at Turbosquid, Hive, CG Trader, etc. stores that all carry the same stuff.
I can applaud them for trying to build a replacement to Daz, but Daz makes it's money of off massive bulk products and the majority of its user base won't leave Daz. Daz also has the ability to basically code something proprietary into it and that would nerf functionality in other programs that tries to use its content.
Best of luck to the team, 3D is on its last leg these days, but this just seems likely taking the "moral" high road to nowhere.
I can applaud them for trying to build a replacement to Daz, but Daz makes it's money of off massive bulk products and the majority of its user base won't leave Daz. Daz also has the ability to basically code something proprietary into it and that would nerf functionality in other programs that tries to use its content.
Best of luck to the team, 3D is on its last leg these days, but this just seems likely taking the "moral" high road to nowhere.
diogenese19348
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Tue, Jul 07Yeah, considering what Renderotique is going though trying to find a payment processor for the adult side I'd have to go with that too.
But you know, if we get creative it's quite possible to have a lot of content that will allow you to render what you want without pointing out it's sexual in nature. Including a lot of poses where as long as the subjects have clothes on, isn't sex. A certain amount of imagination is in order.
Stuff here was getting really "in your face". That isn't necessary.
But you know, if we get creative it's quite possible to have a lot of content that will allow you to render what you want without pointing out it's sexual in nature. Including a lot of poses where as long as the subjects have clothes on, isn't sex. A certain amount of imagination is in order.
Stuff here was getting really "in your face". That isn't necessary.
BeastGohanofTruth
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Tue, Jul 07What I did, if something was too "NASTY" or "WEIRD", I just blocked the Vendor and it never popped up on my Market Feed.
That is all ANYONE should do. I don't understand why people are not UTILZING THIS: ie the BLOCK FEATURE!?
It saves you agravation, and it won't lead to THIS situation, where probably a "WHISTLE BLOWER" got out to Visa/Mastercard to shut down all Adult Content, cause its to "PROTECT THE KIDS" load of bull...
That is all ANYONE should do. I don't understand why people are not UTILZING THIS: ie the BLOCK FEATURE!?
It saves you agravation, and it won't lead to THIS situation, where probably a "WHISTLE BLOWER" got out to Visa/Mastercard to shut down all Adult Content, cause its to "PROTECT THE KIDS" load of bull...
"We know not everyone will agree with this decision, and we respect that. Our responsibility is to make the choices we believe will best position RenderHub for long-term success and ensure that the platform continues to grow for years to come." ~ The moment users realize the site is not going to last much longer....
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well yall are about to take a huge finanical hit i hope you regret that decision
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guy91600
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Tue, Jul 07From a French perspective, this decision is baffling, though it is true that we lack the insight into the evolution of American society that would allow us to understand it.
It is one thing for management to regret a decision that will impact revenue, but after a few months, they could always reactivate the adult content if the company's survival were at stake...
It is one thing for management to regret a decision that will impact revenue, but after a few months, they could always reactivate the adult content if the company's survival were at stake...
sharp8322
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Tue, Jul 07As a American this crap makes me mad, I know theres groups of indivduals who advocate for this, adn credit card companies fold to the same type of people and i'm getting sick of it
BeastGohanofTruth
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Tue, Jul 07You are in a boat of MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE AROUND THE GLOBE, my friend...
I've spent years with RH, only to face this? This is NOT good at all... Nearly 20% of my store wiped out, and with that, 20% of my income? Not cool... This is a disaster to say the least... What's next, will RH remove AI content too? So disappointed...
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diogenese19348
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Tue, Jul 07So vendors didn't get any advance warning either? Interesting. And by "interesting" I mean "Holy S***"
Dreamlight
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Tue, Jul 07Yeah, I had literally no idea... Would be nice to know, especially for new releases...
BeastGohanofTruth
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Tue, Jul 07As much as I like your work dude, not a fan of AI art.
Unless you are using it as a TOOL and you are still creating everything yourself, is one thing, but I know many in here and other areas, are sick of the AI slop everywhere...
Unless you are using it as a TOOL and you are still creating everything yourself, is one thing, but I know many in here and other areas, are sick of the AI slop everywhere...
Dreamlight
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Tue, Jul 07Thanks, I appreciate that, and I completely understand where you're coming from.
I think there's a big difference between flooding a marketplace with low-effort AI images and using AI as one part of a much larger production pipeline.
In my case, AI is just one tool. Most of my time is spent cleaning messed up polygons, fixing textures, creating DAZ scenes, lighting cameras, presets, packaging, writing documentation, rendering promos, testing everything, and making the stuff usable for customers. The AI gets me to the starting line, not the finish line.
I know not everyone will agree on where that line is, and that's perfectly okay. I just hope RH continues to support artists using different workflows, whether they're entirely traditional, AI-assisted, or somewhere in between.
I think there's a big difference between flooding a marketplace with low-effort AI images and using AI as one part of a much larger production pipeline.
In my case, AI is just one tool. Most of my time is spent cleaning messed up polygons, fixing textures, creating DAZ scenes, lighting cameras, presets, packaging, writing documentation, rendering promos, testing everything, and making the stuff usable for customers. The AI gets me to the starting line, not the finish line.
I know not everyone will agree on where that line is, and that's perfectly okay. I just hope RH continues to support artists using different workflows, whether they're entirely traditional, AI-assisted, or somewhere in between.
BeastGohanofTruth
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Tue, Jul 07And that is how it's SUPPOSED to be used, but people rather use it to generate Degenerate Garbage in 15 mins or less...
Sick of that crap.
Sick of that crap.
Dreamlight
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Tue, Jul 07100% agree on that! That's not art, it's not curated, and it's just low effort...
diogenese19348
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Tue, Jul 07I agree with that. I think using AI tools to facilitate workflow for creating 3D pictures is essential if the 3D hobby is going to continue. The cost of producing the content we use has to come down, which means it needs to be less time consuming. AI is what's going to get us there. Laurendev's AI pose creator is scheduled to hit the DAZ store in the near future. If you haven't seen it yet, take a look when it hits.;
Sincopation
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Wed, Jul 08I spent a long time tooling my library ov images over to Renderhub PRECISELY because they had a policy of allowing erotic content. Now this. I'm very upset
flodv8
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Thu, Jul 09I've bought my fair share of your products and have used them a lot...I've followed your workflows and it has helped me become a better 3D artist. And I Thanks You for the inspiration. Renderhub was my go to for 3D assets (Alas no longer). I am creating epic content using AI and will just switch my focus and stop wasting my money...
BeastGohanofTruth
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Tue, Jul 07At this point, I wouldn't be surprised. They were allowing a lot of AI generated garbage run amok there for awhile from vendors that was misleading and false advertising.
I wouldn't put it past RH, if they are now owned and bought by the same people trying to push for Digital ID bull...
I wouldn't put it past RH, if they are now owned and bought by the same people trying to push for Digital ID bull...
> Simply put, we believe this is the right decision for the long-term future of RenderHub.
I personally have little to no interest in adult content, but I absolutely recognise the importance that erotic media has in drawing users to the Daz Studio hobby, and I am very doubtful about the prospects of the overall market in the long run without the existence of this stuff.
I assume this is a decision taken by the staff because of a threat of losing their payment providers (and having no store at all) rather than because they actually believe that the store will be able to grow in the absence of such content. Which is an understandable decision in the short term, as opposed to needing to find an alternate processor, but not one I expect to pay off in the long run.
I personally have little to no interest in adult content, but I absolutely recognise the importance that erotic media has in drawing users to the Daz Studio hobby, and I am very doubtful about the prospects of the overall market in the long run without the existence of this stuff.
I assume this is a decision taken by the staff because of a threat of losing their payment providers (and having no store at all) rather than because they actually believe that the store will be able to grow in the absence of such content. Which is an understandable decision in the short term, as opposed to needing to find an alternate processor, but not one I expect to pay off in the long run.
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BeastGohanofTruth
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Tue, Jul 07This happened to Renderotica as well...but the admins are under the original leadership now and are looking to restore payment processing asap. And they aren't looking to stop supporting NSFW FICTIONAL content.
Cause that's ALL THIS IS...it's just FICTION! They are listening to corpos who are trying to remove our way of Creativity.
Cause that's ALL THIS IS...it's just FICTION! They are listening to corpos who are trying to remove our way of Creativity.
3DLoki
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Tue, Jul 07This is semi true, but I do want to clarify one important point.
Adult content marketplaces generally need to work through a High Risk Processor (HRP), and it's actually not just adult content. There are a surprising number of product categories that require High Risk Processing. Most people understandably assume situations like this are caused by watchdog groups or credit card companies, but in reality it's usually a lot more complicated than that.
An HRP audits the marketplace, establishes what content they're willing to process, and from that point forward everyone follows those policies. That's simply how the relationship works.
In our case though, saying "this happened to Renderotica as well" isn't quite accurate.
We didn't decide to stop supporting adult content, nor did we choose to remove it. When the ownership case finally wrapped up, we discovered the prior management team had actually lost our High Risk Processor over a year earlier. Rather than obtaining a new HRP, everything had been routed through our SFW checkout. While that allowed purchases to continue, it wasn't the proper way to be operating, so once we discovered what had happened we shut down the NSFW checkout, informed everyone what was going on, and immediately started working toward obtaining a new High Risk Processor.
Unfortunately HRPs aren't like standard merchant accounts where you can be approved overnight. They generally take considerably longer, although having been in business since 1999 and working with multiple HRPs over the years does help because we already satisfy many of the requirements that first time applicants don't.
The biggest hurdle we've encountered so far has simply been content policy.
We reached the final stages with one processor, but they ultimately required us to remove the majority of our comics and image set catalog before they'd approve us. We had to step back and ask ourselves whether we were willing to sacrifice that much of our vendors' work just to restore processing sooner.
We decided we weren't.
Instead, we chose to continue talking with other High Risk Processors that are a better fit for our marketplace. We absolutely could have removed all of that content and been much closer to restoring NSFW sales, but we didn't feel that was the right decision for either our vendors or our customers. I completely understand why people are frustrated by the extra downtime, but hopefully people can also appreciate why we made that decision.
As for RenderHub, I honestly can't speak for why they made the decision they did.
If I had to make an educated guess, I'd probably tie it to the software Ion has been working on. If you're preparing to launch a new piece of software, it makes sense that you'd want both that software and the marketplace associated with it to appeal to the widest audience possible.
After all, Daz = Daz Studio. Renderosity = Poser. Soon RenderHub = Ion's upcoming software.
From a branding standpoint alone, wanting to clean the house before company arrives would make perfect business sense. Whether that's actually the reason, I honestly don't know. That's simply my own speculation.
What I wouldn't immediately jump to, however, is assuming watchdog groups were directly responsible. Historically those groups have focused on the largest online platforms with millions of users where proposed legislation centered around significant financial penalties. That's a very different environment than a niche 3D marketplace.
While I can't speak for RenderHub, I can speak for Renderotica (under a different name ).
Yes, the original leadership is back.
Renderotica actually began in 1999 after splitting from Renderosity because of adult content. Diane and the original team built the community from there. Andrew (EhJay) purchased the company in the mid 2000s, brought in his own technical team, and that's when I eventually joined as an administrator. I was there from 2012 until October 2023, and returned this past May after the ownership case was finally resolved.
The court battle is finally behind us, the original vision of "for artists and vendors, by artists and vendors" is back, and once we clear the High Risk Processing hurdle there are quite a few long planned improvements that we're finally going to be able to start rolling out.
It's been a frustrating road for everyone involved, but we're committed to doing it the right way rather than simply doing it the fastest way.
Adult content marketplaces generally need to work through a High Risk Processor (HRP), and it's actually not just adult content. There are a surprising number of product categories that require High Risk Processing. Most people understandably assume situations like this are caused by watchdog groups or credit card companies, but in reality it's usually a lot more complicated than that.
An HRP audits the marketplace, establishes what content they're willing to process, and from that point forward everyone follows those policies. That's simply how the relationship works.
In our case though, saying "this happened to Renderotica as well" isn't quite accurate.
We didn't decide to stop supporting adult content, nor did we choose to remove it. When the ownership case finally wrapped up, we discovered the prior management team had actually lost our High Risk Processor over a year earlier. Rather than obtaining a new HRP, everything had been routed through our SFW checkout. While that allowed purchases to continue, it wasn't the proper way to be operating, so once we discovered what had happened we shut down the NSFW checkout, informed everyone what was going on, and immediately started working toward obtaining a new High Risk Processor.
Unfortunately HRPs aren't like standard merchant accounts where you can be approved overnight. They generally take considerably longer, although having been in business since 1999 and working with multiple HRPs over the years does help because we already satisfy many of the requirements that first time applicants don't.
The biggest hurdle we've encountered so far has simply been content policy.
We reached the final stages with one processor, but they ultimately required us to remove the majority of our comics and image set catalog before they'd approve us. We had to step back and ask ourselves whether we were willing to sacrifice that much of our vendors' work just to restore processing sooner.
We decided we weren't.
Instead, we chose to continue talking with other High Risk Processors that are a better fit for our marketplace. We absolutely could have removed all of that content and been much closer to restoring NSFW sales, but we didn't feel that was the right decision for either our vendors or our customers. I completely understand why people are frustrated by the extra downtime, but hopefully people can also appreciate why we made that decision.
As for RenderHub, I honestly can't speak for why they made the decision they did.
If I had to make an educated guess, I'd probably tie it to the software Ion has been working on. If you're preparing to launch a new piece of software, it makes sense that you'd want both that software and the marketplace associated with it to appeal to the widest audience possible.
After all, Daz = Daz Studio. Renderosity = Poser. Soon RenderHub = Ion's upcoming software.
From a branding standpoint alone, wanting to clean the house before company arrives would make perfect business sense. Whether that's actually the reason, I honestly don't know. That's simply my own speculation.
What I wouldn't immediately jump to, however, is assuming watchdog groups were directly responsible. Historically those groups have focused on the largest online platforms with millions of users where proposed legislation centered around significant financial penalties. That's a very different environment than a niche 3D marketplace.
While I can't speak for RenderHub, I can speak for Renderotica (under a different name ).
Yes, the original leadership is back.
Renderotica actually began in 1999 after splitting from Renderosity because of adult content. Diane and the original team built the community from there. Andrew (EhJay) purchased the company in the mid 2000s, brought in his own technical team, and that's when I eventually joined as an administrator. I was there from 2012 until October 2023, and returned this past May after the ownership case was finally resolved.
The court battle is finally behind us, the original vision of "for artists and vendors, by artists and vendors" is back, and once we clear the High Risk Processing hurdle there are quite a few long planned improvements that we're finally going to be able to start rolling out.
It's been a frustrating road for everyone involved, but we're committed to doing it the right way rather than simply doing it the fastest way.
Masterstroke
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Wed, Jul 08Quote, RenderHub:
"> Simply put, we believe this is the right decision for the long-term future of RenderHub."
This is pretty much admitting, they're bending the knee.
"> Simply put, we believe this is the right decision for the long-term future of RenderHub."
This is pretty much admitting, they're bending the knee.
BeastGohanofTruth
Karma: 244
Wed, Jul 08@3dLoki - Yeah, Renderotica's Situation was totally different, than RH's.
Thankfully, they can more than likely RESTORE it and people who sell NSFW will still be able to, and post Adult Renders. We just need to have a tad more patience for them to reestore it.
RH, however, they in a way, did a ShareCG/Tumblr F'up...
Thankfully, they can more than likely RESTORE it and people who sell NSFW will still be able to, and post Adult Renders. We just need to have a tad more patience for them to reestore it.
RH, however, they in a way, did a ShareCG/Tumblr F'up...
Masterstroke
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Wed, Jul 08Don't trust Rotica.
They've screwed me over. Banned me without the chance of downloading my purchased content files.
they got pretty nasty, the following e-mail exchange.
Hope they go broke. Just hate'em
They've screwed me over. Banned me without the chance of downloading my purchased content files.
they got pretty nasty, the following e-mail exchange.
Hope they go broke. Just hate'em
BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08@masterstroke - Where else do we have to go? Patreon? They are as bad as what RH is doing if not worse.
At least Renderotica is not bending the knee to these people to stop us for being Creative. If it has to do with on the forums, you may have said someething that got you banned. I know it sucks, you have to play "Devil's Advocate" on the forums they have, but I know many places don't want Politics and or Relgion discussed to cause drama. Trust me, I had an account there too and got banned.
But I am not going to discuss that anymore cause in a way, its supposed to be a site for creativity, not promoting Propaganda and all that.
So I get why they don't want that sort of stuff talked about....
At least Renderotica is not bending the knee to these people to stop us for being Creative. If it has to do with on the forums, you may have said someething that got you banned. I know it sucks, you have to play "Devil's Advocate" on the forums they have, but I know many places don't want Politics and or Relgion discussed to cause drama. Trust me, I had an account there too and got banned.
But I am not going to discuss that anymore cause in a way, its supposed to be a site for creativity, not promoting Propaganda and all that.
So I get why they don't want that sort of stuff talked about....
protosynthetic
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Wed, Jul 08"Adult content marketplaces generally need to work through a High Risk Processor (HRP), and it's actually not just adult content. There are a surprising number of product categories that require High Risk Processing. Most people understandably assume situations like this are caused by watchdog groups or credit card companies, but in reality it's usually a lot more complicated than that."
Definitely explains why I can't make a purchase here, and every time I try my card is locked until I call customer service. As salty as the community is about it, I've been salty that I can't even shop here. Maybe this decision will change that, and I can actually buy something.
Definitely explains why I can't make a purchase here, and every time I try my card is locked until I call customer service. As salty as the community is about it, I've been salty that I can't even shop here. Maybe this decision will change that, and I can actually buy something.
3DLoki
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Wed, Jul 08I HATE that the forum script here doesn't allow you to reply to ANY post 
Masterstroke: those people are GONE, and I will be the first to say publicly that what happened to you was complete and utter bullshit, I went through the admin notes this morning, I saw the timeline and the reasoning was utter bullshit, you posted Roxy there for as long as I can remember, the artwork was / is amazing!
I personally featured your Roxy images multiple times while I was there in our social campaigns, newsletters and site blogs, her look was pretty much the same and I can't see how anyone could take her for underage
I've said this before, but I'll say it again, I would LOVE to have you back IF you can give the site another chance, I would just need one of our techs to show me where / what needs to be done / make sure I have the proper permissions.
At the very least, you can log back in, reset your downloads and get those past purchases downloaded, keep an eye on the blogs and forums and SEE that it's not the same as it was, then if you want to start uploading content and or selling content again that's all up to you.
I am curious though, you've mentioned nasty emails a few times, care to share with me here (or DM me here) the first letter of the name? if not no biggie, and if you don't want to come back I completely understand, I won't be happy about it but I can deff understand
Masterstroke: those people are GONE, and I will be the first to say publicly that what happened to you was complete and utter bullshit, I went through the admin notes this morning, I saw the timeline and the reasoning was utter bullshit, you posted Roxy there for as long as I can remember, the artwork was / is amazing!
I personally featured your Roxy images multiple times while I was there in our social campaigns, newsletters and site blogs, her look was pretty much the same and I can't see how anyone could take her for underage
I've said this before, but I'll say it again, I would LOVE to have you back IF you can give the site another chance, I would just need one of our techs to show me where / what needs to be done / make sure I have the proper permissions.
At the very least, you can log back in, reset your downloads and get those past purchases downloaded, keep an eye on the blogs and forums and SEE that it's not the same as it was, then if you want to start uploading content and or selling content again that's all up to you.
I am curious though, you've mentioned nasty emails a few times, care to share with me here (or DM me here) the first letter of the name? if not no biggie, and if you don't want to come back I completely understand, I won't be happy about it but I can deff understand
Masterstroke
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Wed, Jul 08Those e-mails have been years ago and quite heated. I did not keep them and deleted those.
(To just make it clear to everyone:
Roxy has never been to be designed as a minor.
She is initially designed after women I used to know at the time. One woman aged 24, one woman aged 45 and several influences from celebreties, I don't even recall anymore.)
So, how to go on from here?
I am all in to burry the hatchet again and leave all the bad blood behind us.
So let's shake hands.
Please send me a PM here, how to do it.
Like same user name, new PW, confirmation mail ?
Looking foreward hearing from you
(To just make it clear to everyone:
Roxy has never been to be designed as a minor.
She is initially designed after women I used to know at the time. One woman aged 24, one woman aged 45 and several influences from celebreties, I don't even recall anymore.)
So, how to go on from here?
I am all in to burry the hatchet again and leave all the bad blood behind us.
So let's shake hands.
Please send me a PM here, how to do it.
Like same user name, new PW, confirmation mail ?
Looking foreward hearing from you
erogenesis
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Wed, Jul 08@3DLoki - F*cking good to read what you posted here! I've been very concerned about stuff over at Rotica and I didn't know what to do. But I'm happy things seem to be getting worked out. I feel bad for hiding but I felt kind of alienated there at some point. It didn't feel like rotica.
3DLoki
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Wed, Jul 08BROTHER!!!! so good to see you, I've missed you man!
Yeah the OG crew is back at the helm now, and we've brought back the org vision of "For Artists By Artists" I'm back at my old roles... and well... stay tuned for the rest of that lol.
Things have been pretty hectic but they will be slowing down here pretty soon, deff stay in touch, you know how to reach me over there or over here.
Yeah the OG crew is back at the helm now, and we've brought back the org vision of "For Artists By Artists" I'm back at my old roles... and well... stay tuned for the rest of that lol.
Things have been pretty hectic but they will be slowing down here pretty soon, deff stay in touch, you know how to reach me over there or over here.
I understand por-n and dildo number 6000 may give a bad image, but nudity addons like geografts per-se were helpful for realism and fixed issues Daz refuse to fix on their own figures.
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BeastGohanofTruth
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Tue, Jul 07But the Visa/Mastercard Corpo control, doesn't see it that way... But You know that obviously...
Masterstroke
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Wed, Jul 08Isn't there an internet age verification ID in the discussion as well?
There is that 1984 smell all over the place.
Those M@GAfoggers try to grab us by the balls.
Nobody needs to like it, but P0rn means freedom.
There is that 1984 smell all over the place.
Those M@GAfoggers try to grab us by the balls.
Nobody needs to like it, but P0rn means freedom.
jmper
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Tue, Jul 07Yeah, I noticed your store and my wishlist get much smaller. Rather than call this an Important Update, they should have called it an Impotent Update.
Welp that's me never using this site ever again.
What is it you think you're running? Why would I ever use your site over the countless other sites that don't attack a large proportion of the community's userbase?
What is it you think you're running? Why would I ever use your site over the countless other sites that don't attack a large proportion of the community's userbase?
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What a wild thing to entirely cut adult content and simply not notify anyone about it in advance.
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Dreamlight
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Tue, Jul 07I know, lucky me got only 56 products wiped out. I feel for the artists in here that have 100, 200, 500 or more adult products, like, entire stores wiped out. Talk about removing years of work... THAT sucks!
Helioxentric
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Tue, Jul 07It's worse than that. Images have been culled, but not all posts have been.
Some of my posts contained more explicit alt images that are no longer there while the post itself remains visible.
And tons of my topless images are still present. So as usual any nudity below the waist seems to be problematic.
Some of my posts contained more explicit alt images that are no longer there while the post itself remains visible.
And tons of my topless images are still present. So as usual any nudity below the waist seems to be problematic.
Dreamlight
Karma: 21,660
Wed, Jul 08Full frontal nudity is ok, and considered "nude", not adult. It crosses the adult threshold when you touch genitals (that is, erotic action), or spread legs (becomes vulgar so to speak). Or involve multiple people / action etc... But artistic nudity, is ok, even "down below".
I wouldn't worry about it too much fellers. There are ways of presenting adult type stuff without running afoul of the morality police.
Thing is, standing your ground in the e-commerce world is not the same as standing your ground in a street fight. I see a lot of that talk in this thread. Having done both I can tell you that the e-commerce fight is futile. There's nothing to swing back at unless you pay your kids' college money to a legal eagle and you'll probably lose. It's like trying to shovel back the tide.
Anyway, that's mi dos centavos. Improvise, adapt, overcome.
Thing is, standing your ground in the e-commerce world is not the same as standing your ground in a street fight. I see a lot of that talk in this thread. Having done both I can tell you that the e-commerce fight is futile. There's nothing to swing back at unless you pay your kids' college money to a legal eagle and you'll probably lose. It's like trying to shovel back the tide.
Anyway, that's mi dos centavos. Improvise, adapt, overcome.
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diogenese19348
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Tue, Jul 07They didn't give up, they adapted. Which is what I was talking about, adult 3D content can still be created and sold, one just has to be creative about it. Causam3D is. They are one of the vendors I've been following a long time. Take a look at their store and you'll see what I mean.
For a lot of "adult" vendors, the content won't need to change, the promo pics and the product descriptions will. As well as of course dropping the "adult" tag.
For a lot of "adult" vendors, the content won't need to change, the promo pics and the product descriptions will. As well as of course dropping the "adult" tag.
BeastGohanofTruth
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Tue, Jul 07Oh if you are talking about that, then yeah.
But there are others that literally do though, dude. They BLACK PILL too easily...
But there are others that literally do though, dude. They BLACK PILL too easily...
Dreamlight
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Tue, Jul 07"They didn't give up, they adapted. Which is what I was talking about, adult 3D content can still be created and sold, one just has to be creative about it. Causam3D is. They are one of the vendors I've been following a long time. Take a look at their store and you'll see what I mean.
For a lot of "adult" vendors, the content won't need to change, the promo pics and the product descriptions will. As well as of course dropping the "adult" tag."
While true to some degree, we have yet to see if the "mature" tag is going to be a thing moving forward, or if ALL nude stuff will vanish. If we can assume the "mature" / nude tag will remain intact, then yes, some content CAN be used and sold.
But, it does not work for most truly explicit content, such as touching genitals or lesbian scenes. Or anything above that. The moment you cross that line, it's adult 18+ and you can't just repackage touching genitals. It's explicit my intent, action and design. You can't show half of that, and call it nude. It's the same action... And unfortunately, most adult content crosses that line. That's why it was tagged adult / 18+.
For a lot of "adult" vendors, the content won't need to change, the promo pics and the product descriptions will. As well as of course dropping the "adult" tag."
While true to some degree, we have yet to see if the "mature" tag is going to be a thing moving forward, or if ALL nude stuff will vanish. If we can assume the "mature" / nude tag will remain intact, then yes, some content CAN be used and sold.
But, it does not work for most truly explicit content, such as touching genitals or lesbian scenes. Or anything above that. The moment you cross that line, it's adult 18+ and you can't just repackage touching genitals. It's explicit my intent, action and design. You can't show half of that, and call it nude. It's the same action... And unfortunately, most adult content crosses that line. That's why it was tagged adult / 18+.
diogenese19348
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Tue, Jul 07Yeah, explicate sex will be taboo, there is no way around it, although I think that the positions we sometimes find ourselves clothed in are really similar to ones we find ourselves unclothed in. Um, "wrestling" for example.
I'm not any happier about this than anybody else, I run an adult site and create adult comics. None of which I can sell, I don't make a living off it.
But the Internet of 2026 is not the same as the Internet of pre-2006, the corporations moved to e-commerce, all the kids got sucked in, and all the busybodies worried about some one else having more fun then they do showed up, we sort of have to live with it.
And frankly I was wondering how long it would take to impact Renderhub, I didn't see how the adult section could last the way it was.
The only part of it that is truly annoying is that management knew this day was coming, and really should have been working with vendors ahead of time to reduce the impact. As in get the promos and product descriptions in line where possible.
BTW, I've been following you since the DAZ 3.0 days, and had a membership in the Dreamlight site back around 2012.
The world evolves and we are going to have to continue evolving with it
I'm not any happier about this than anybody else, I run an adult site and create adult comics. None of which I can sell, I don't make a living off it.
But the Internet of 2026 is not the same as the Internet of pre-2006, the corporations moved to e-commerce, all the kids got sucked in, and all the busybodies worried about some one else having more fun then they do showed up, we sort of have to live with it.
And frankly I was wondering how long it would take to impact Renderhub, I didn't see how the adult section could last the way it was.
The only part of it that is truly annoying is that management knew this day was coming, and really should have been working with vendors ahead of time to reduce the impact. As in get the promos and product descriptions in line where possible.
BTW, I've been following you since the DAZ 3.0 days, and had a membership in the Dreamlight site back around 2012.
The world evolves and we are going to have to continue evolving with it
Dreamlight
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Wed, Jul 08Spot on! Thanks for your support... Yeah, a heads up, like in 90 days we'll remove the adult section would have been nice. Then it gives time and options to counter / prepare. Right now, it's like the rug was pulled under your feet. And I can't even go and edit the items, and make some "mature" / nude instead of adult, since I cannot re-classify them. It's grayed out as option and I cannot re-select. I mean, some items can be re-done, like you said, clothes on and it's a different product (When possible of course). Yeah, the world evolves and we have to continue to evolve with it, that's true!
Yeah, a heads up, like in 90 days we'll remove the adult section would have been nice. Then it gives time and options to counter / prepare. Right now, it's like the rug was pulled under your feet. And I can't even go and edit the items, and make some "mature" / nude instead of adult, since I cannot re-classify them. It's grayed out as option and I cannot re-select. I mean, some items can be re-done, like you said, clothes on and it's a different product (When possible of course). Yeah, the world evolves and we have to continue to evolve with it, that's true!Just to be clear... even vendors weren't notified about this change before you just did it. Cool.
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Wow, I would like to say that i'm without words, but i have.
Before that i ask, did you guys actually got THE CALL? If you did, just say so openly (instead of just tossing pre fabricated sentences) and ignore the rest of my post. If not and you are just trying to play it safe, then here it goes.
Not even a heads up. That is low. Very unprofessional and ungrateful.
QUOTE: "Simply put, we believe this is the right decision for the long-term future of RenderHub."
If that is true, making the change like this is not the way to do it.
QUOTE: "Our vision is to continue growing RenderHub into a trusted, accessible marketplace and creative community for the wider 3D industry. Whether you're creating assets for games, animation, architectural visualization, education, digital art, or personal projects, we want RenderHub to be a place where creators across the 3D industry feel welcome to learn, share, collaborate, and do business."
I think there are real problems that you guys should had tacked before even thinking a comple adult section close.
Right now, everything outside Daz stuff is very hard to even navigate because of the continous slop spam and the problem you never solved about game *i**ed game assets.
And what do you guys consider 'wider 3d community' is? because, again, 90%+ of this forum traffic is Daz related.
'trusted' ..... Really? Trust requires things that a change like this contradicts. How could a vendor trust you if you decide to change the bussiness rules without notice?
As customers... Can we even trust the items we purchase here are safe in its origin and tested?
Back to the adult content. Reading even in this forum about how others work with the payment processors cruzade i could think a lot of different stuff to try before a complete removal. But making it without notice to vendors, just incredible.
Before that i ask, did you guys actually got THE CALL? If you did, just say so openly (instead of just tossing pre fabricated sentences) and ignore the rest of my post. If not and you are just trying to play it safe, then here it goes.
Not even a heads up. That is low. Very unprofessional and ungrateful.
QUOTE: "Simply put, we believe this is the right decision for the long-term future of RenderHub."
If that is true, making the change like this is not the way to do it.
QUOTE: "Our vision is to continue growing RenderHub into a trusted, accessible marketplace and creative community for the wider 3D industry. Whether you're creating assets for games, animation, architectural visualization, education, digital art, or personal projects, we want RenderHub to be a place where creators across the 3D industry feel welcome to learn, share, collaborate, and do business."
I think there are real problems that you guys should had tacked before even thinking a comple adult section close.
Right now, everything outside Daz stuff is very hard to even navigate because of the continous slop spam and the problem you never solved about game *i**ed game assets.
And what do you guys consider 'wider 3d community' is? because, again, 90%+ of this forum traffic is Daz related.
'trusted' ..... Really? Trust requires things that a change like this contradicts. How could a vendor trust you if you decide to change the bussiness rules without notice?
As customers... Can we even trust the items we purchase here are safe in its origin and tested?
Back to the adult content. Reading even in this forum about how others work with the payment processors cruzade i could think a lot of different stuff to try before a complete removal. But making it without notice to vendors, just incredible.
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Huh. You'd think beinbg concerned about the amount of IP theft showing up in the store, especially theft from huge producers like marvel and sony, would be a bigger concern than tits and ass. I guess the censors at Mastercard are more concerned by their puritan ideology. It's sad to see this site roll over and show their belly as quickly as this though.
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shadowyartsdirty
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Thu, Jul 09tits are of bigger concern than copyright laws and Epstein files
I've grown my neche in this platform and spent years building my reputation here. I'm able to make a living thanks to the models I've sold on this platform. Seeing everything erased without any prior notice or compensation has been absolutely devastating. I feel heartbroken and worried for my future by this terrible decision.... shame
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What upsets me the most is that I was never informed about this change. I received no email, no warning, and no notification of any kind. I only discovered that my entire catalog of 450+ mmodels had been removed only because a customer told me what happened....
If a major policy change was going to affect creators whose livelihood depends on this platform, I believe we should have been informed in advance. At the very least, we should have been given the opportunity to prepare, explore other options before losing years of work overnight.
Finding out this way has been incredibly disappointing and has left me feeling completely blindsided.
If a major policy change was going to affect creators whose livelihood depends on this platform, I believe we should have been informed in advance. At the very least, we should have been given the opportunity to prepare, explore other options before losing years of work overnight.
Finding out this way has been incredibly disappointing and has left me feeling completely blindsided.
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jmper
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Tue, Jul 07I am sure management is running loads of AI iterations of apology responses to find the absolute best response.
SavantSuperheroine
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Tue, Jul 07This. I feel so bad for you vendors who got blindsided by this. Just incredibly unprofessional all around... kicking people to the curb who have made your site money for years with no warning or explanation.
Dreamlight
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Tue, Jul 07I'm very sorry for your loss! 450 sets is a lot, and especially a lot of time invested. Can you salvage some by going "mature" / nude, or is it all 100% explicit 18+ by design?
TriDsign
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Tue, Jul 07it's all explicit, I thought those "distinctions" labels were createdd to protect both models and customers alike, but nothing mattered at the end
Considering you just unilaterally created refugees who will be searching for new homes is your forum going to offer grace to people to find where their friends and family have migrated to?
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It was nice while it lasted, but there is always a time to say goodbye and this corporate morality falseness indicates that that time has come.
Thanks for those who supported me during the past few years.
I will be deleting my gallery over the next few days as sign of protest for this corrupted morality bs!
You might as well rename your site to Censorhub now
Thanks for those who supported me during the past few years.
I will be deleting my gallery over the next few days as sign of protest for this corrupted morality bs!
You might as well rename your site to Censorhub now
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MazinkaiserDX
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Fri, Jul 10Honestly, as a protest I would've left the gallery uploaded, make them do the work, heh
francobel
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Sat, Jul 11As annoying as it was, there was also some catharsis in the process.
this gives me more of a reason to continue working on my site but for now if anybody wants to see more of my works (including adult stuff), hit me up for socials or whatever to keep in contact. (except for Twitter/X.)
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BeastGohanofTruth
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Tue, Jul 07I plan on doing the same. Time we all made our own sites and forums that the people run themselves.
F these corpo bootlickers...
F these corpo bootlickers...
db xxx
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Tue, Jul 07There must be a store. Having own site is cool but having enough traffic on it is hard, also you must solve the payment issues yourself then. This effectively ruins my business, all but one of my products are adult. All I can do is hope that the new old crew at CGB get that store rolling again. They are shut for a month now and RenderHUB doing this to us while it is shut is just uncool. And with no notice apart from this post. I'm lost for words. Good job I got divorced last year and moved in with my parents otherwise I'd be f****d. Now it's 100% on my video game hoping Patreon doesn't pull something like this also. Isn't life just fun.
diogenese19348
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Tue, Jul 07Yeah, since you make the anatomy itself (and do a great job of it BTW, I have most of your catalog) it makes things particularly tough. I'll go check out Patreon. I'm FlagonsWorkshop over there. Got a name for every place
3DLoki
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Tue, Jul 07We are committed to get things back up and running fully, in the meantime I've been reworking promos and text to get more and more NSFW products into the SFW category so they can be sold NOW while we wait on the new HRP.
I Just did a quick scan on your catalog there, and I'm pretty confident I can get 26 of your 82 products into the SFW checkout system just by swapping to SFW promo images because to the processors, context is key. I know 26 out of 82 is not a lot but it's deff better then nothing in the meantime, so I can deff get those 26 into the list and get the new promos made ASAP.
(and to be clear WE have been doing that, not putting it on the vendors to make new promos for us)
I Just did a quick scan on your catalog there, and I'm pretty confident I can get 26 of your 82 products into the SFW checkout system just by swapping to SFW promo images because to the processors, context is key. I know 26 out of 82 is not a lot but it's deff better then nothing in the meantime, so I can deff get those 26 into the list and get the new promos made ASAP.
(and to be clear WE have been doing that, not putting it on the vendors to make new promos for us)
db xxx
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Tue, Jul 07Thank you. That means a lot. When the NSFW stopped selling was a hit but when I read your posts I started having a really good feeling about the change there. This here can be a big boost in the right moment, just sort the HRP in time.
3DLoki
Karma: 3,442
Tue, Jul 07No thanks needed, but appreciated
Amazingly a lot of our issues are being solved just by swapping out promo pics, I found close to 500 products in 1 day that were tech miss-categorized just due to promo pics, so omitting them, swapping them or in some cases making all new "reference renders" for the SFW catalog has solved a lot of issues and are bringing back a lot of "missing products"
I'm not going to lie and say that will solve every product's issue, but it is deff helping many of the effected 3D Product vendors by allowing more and more of their catalogs to be sold properly during our NSFW downtime.
Amazingly a lot of our issues are being solved just by swapping out promo pics, I found close to 500 products in 1 day that were tech miss-categorized just due to promo pics, so omitting them, swapping them or in some cases making all new "reference renders" for the SFW catalog has solved a lot of issues and are bringing back a lot of "missing products"
I'm not going to lie and say that will solve every product's issue, but it is deff helping many of the effected 3D Product vendors by allowing more and more of their catalogs to be sold properly during our NSFW downtime.
Dreamlight
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Wed, Jul 08I know, having your own store seems like a cool idea, and I've actually did run my own store for a while. Here's my take on it. While it gives you control, it's very difficult. There are payment processors that will handle erotic stuff. Epoch is one of them. But they're quite expensive. $2,000 per year just in CC card fees, that's $167 per mo. Then they take 15% of the sales. Yes, there are other options, but I haven't seen any "super low cost". This is a high risk area, and therefore, there is a cost associated with it. Second, with your own store, you get into bot sign ups, fake orders and other issues. Last, but not least, traffic. RenderHub has lots of traffic. Running your own store means you have to create that on your own. I've been doing online marketing for a very long time, and it involves creating an email list, newsletter, having free give aways etc... And it takes a lot of time to create that volume. RenderHub is not just trafic, it's a community. The best kind of traffic, since it often involves common interests. So, having a community around a store might be a good idea. But again, it takes a lot of effort, and it can takes years to generate the traffic you need to go plus in a significant way. Plus, not to forget, a store costs money to run, hosting etc...I mean, most of us don't have $5M in start up funding to go and create a massive tech invention that draws Millions of people...
"Simply put, we believe this is the right decision for the long-term future of RenderHub."
You believe the right decision for the future of RenderHub is to demonstrate a complete disregard for the people who built your site, not even giving them an opportunity to backup their work before you deleted it and their income? And showing how fast you will change your stance from this:
"RenderHub is dedicated to fostering an inclusive and diverse creative community. Consequently, we do permit content that incorporates various 18+ adult-oriented themes,"
To cutting out the claim to want to foster a diverse creative community. It is good to at least admit the creative community holds no value for this site, at least. Perhaps it will be the right decision for Renderhub's future, perhaps this will be the one site out of the many before that actually benefitted in any way from an adult content ban. I doubt it, however.
You believe the right decision for the future of RenderHub is to demonstrate a complete disregard for the people who built your site, not even giving them an opportunity to backup their work before you deleted it and their income? And showing how fast you will change your stance from this:
"RenderHub is dedicated to fostering an inclusive and diverse creative community. Consequently, we do permit content that incorporates various 18+ adult-oriented themes,"
To cutting out the claim to want to foster a diverse creative community. It is good to at least admit the creative community holds no value for this site, at least. Perhaps it will be the right decision for Renderhub's future, perhaps this will be the one site out of the many before that actually benefitted in any way from an adult content ban. I doubt it, however.
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Kepthorn
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Tue, Jul 07"This change is not the result of user misconduct, and it is not a judgment on adult creators, adult art, or the customers who support it."
This is also a fascinating statement to make. It is not a judgement on adult creators and art, but you'll simultaneously judge them as having no place to exist and to turn one's back on them?
This is also a fascinating statement to make. It is not a judgement on adult creators and art, but you'll simultaneously judge them as having no place to exist and to turn one's back on them?
jmper
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Tue, Jul 07If vendors and artists were not told in advance, then this is really bad on RenderHub. Thanks for helping build our site and user count but then shutting them out.
And the banner on top "3D, VFX & Good Vibes - Join Us July 30th In NYC For Our First Official RenderHub Meetup!". I hope you didn't rent a large space or get too much food. No one wants to meet your a$$.
And the banner on top "3D, VFX & Good Vibes - Join Us July 30th In NYC For Our First Official RenderHub Meetup!". I hope you didn't rent a large space or get too much food. No one wants to meet your a$$.
BeastGohanofTruth
Karma: 244
Tue, Jul 07It's a censorship on creativity.
And the push of them siding with Digital ID from Visa/Mastercard.
This has nothing to do with "PROTECTING THE CHILDREN"....
People are sick of this 1984 bs.
And the push of them siding with Digital ID from Visa/Mastercard.
This has nothing to do with "PROTECTING THE CHILDREN"....
People are sick of this 1984 bs.
Kepthorn
Karma: 110
Tue, Jul 07I do hope some people voice their dissatisfaction at that "First Official RenderHub Meetup." Perhaps meeting the people they fucked over face-to-face might do some good...
Given how callous and heartless this move was, and the disgraceful contempt Renderhub ownership has shown for loyal vendors I'll personally be looking forward to the market alternative when it arises.
I certainly will not feel comfortable giving money to people who treat their partners this shamefully. Renderhub ownership just put the knife to people who helped build this place without so much as a by your leave.
It certainly does not give me confidence that as a simple customer that I will be treated fairly by any measure in the future.
I certainly will not feel comfortable giving money to people who treat their partners this shamefully. Renderhub ownership just put the knife to people who helped build this place without so much as a by your leave.
It certainly does not give me confidence that as a simple customer that I will be treated fairly by any measure in the future.
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If you look at it purely from a business standpoint, I think RenderHub's decision makes a lot of sense.
I had a conversation with Gemini and asked it to analyze the admin's post, while also adding additional thoughts about anything else related to RenderHub, its competitors, and the 3D market in general.
Here is the AI's response:
An AI's Perspective on RenderHub's Evolution
From an outside analysis of RenderHub's recent policy shift, this decision highlights a classic conflict between localized platform identity and the systemic realities of the modern internet. Looking past the immediate disruption, there are two distinct ways to interpret this "evolution."
1. The Macro-Business Dilemma
From a strictly numbers-driven business standpoint, dropping an active, dedicated community segment could be considered a gamble. For years, RenderHub successfully occupied a profitable niche by providing a functional, reliable home for content that mainstream corporate giants like TurboSquid or CGTrader restricted.
By removing the adult content from its platform, RenderHub steps into a hyper-saturated, mainstream market dominated by massive tech entities, allowing it to compete directly on turf where it doesn't yet have the same corporate infrastructure or brand recognition.
2. The Algorithmic and Operational Reality
From an operational and reputation standpoint, this pivot can be viewed not as a retreat, but as a necessary liberation.
The modern internet landscape is aggressively policed by automated gatekeepers. For years, AI search filters, LLMs, and corporate networks have operated on strict safety binaries. Because RenderHub hosted a prominent adult section, automated web scrapers and safety algorithms likely flagged the entire domain as NSFW. This triggered warning flags, lowered organic search rankings, and effectively locked the platform out of mainstream commercial visibility (e.g., educational institutions, traditional game studios, and architectural firms).
Furthermore, the reality of hosting mature content means fighting a continuous, resource-draining game of "whack-a-mole" against policy violations and boundary-pushing content. By entirely removing this section, RenderHub completely eliminates that massive moderation headache, safeguards its essential payment processing pipelines (a hurdle that recently crippled platforms like Renderotica), and sheds the "reputation stain" that has buried its high-quality, professional mainstream creators.
The Takeaway
Ultimately, this decision represents a calculated trade-off. RenderHub has chosen to sacrifice its dominant position in a specialized niche in exchange for a professional storefront, long-term viability, clean search indexing, and improved AI discoverability. While it is an incredibly disruptive change for a small segment of its user base, it removes the invisible ceiling that has kept the mainstream side of the marketplace from scaling to its full potential.
*** In case you didn't read my intro, the above was Gemini's take on the situation ***
I'm sure many in this thread will disagree, but I'll have to say that I do agree with Gemini's analysis here.
I had a conversation with Gemini and asked it to analyze the admin's post, while also adding additional thoughts about anything else related to RenderHub, its competitors, and the 3D market in general.
Here is the AI's response:
An AI's Perspective on RenderHub's Evolution
From an outside analysis of RenderHub's recent policy shift, this decision highlights a classic conflict between localized platform identity and the systemic realities of the modern internet. Looking past the immediate disruption, there are two distinct ways to interpret this "evolution."
1. The Macro-Business Dilemma
From a strictly numbers-driven business standpoint, dropping an active, dedicated community segment could be considered a gamble. For years, RenderHub successfully occupied a profitable niche by providing a functional, reliable home for content that mainstream corporate giants like TurboSquid or CGTrader restricted.
By removing the adult content from its platform, RenderHub steps into a hyper-saturated, mainstream market dominated by massive tech entities, allowing it to compete directly on turf where it doesn't yet have the same corporate infrastructure or brand recognition.
2. The Algorithmic and Operational Reality
From an operational and reputation standpoint, this pivot can be viewed not as a retreat, but as a necessary liberation.
The modern internet landscape is aggressively policed by automated gatekeepers. For years, AI search filters, LLMs, and corporate networks have operated on strict safety binaries. Because RenderHub hosted a prominent adult section, automated web scrapers and safety algorithms likely flagged the entire domain as NSFW. This triggered warning flags, lowered organic search rankings, and effectively locked the platform out of mainstream commercial visibility (e.g., educational institutions, traditional game studios, and architectural firms).
Furthermore, the reality of hosting mature content means fighting a continuous, resource-draining game of "whack-a-mole" against policy violations and boundary-pushing content. By entirely removing this section, RenderHub completely eliminates that massive moderation headache, safeguards its essential payment processing pipelines (a hurdle that recently crippled platforms like Renderotica), and sheds the "reputation stain" that has buried its high-quality, professional mainstream creators.
The Takeaway
Ultimately, this decision represents a calculated trade-off. RenderHub has chosen to sacrifice its dominant position in a specialized niche in exchange for a professional storefront, long-term viability, clean search indexing, and improved AI discoverability. While it is an incredibly disruptive change for a small segment of its user base, it removes the invisible ceiling that has kept the mainstream side of the marketplace from scaling to its full potential.
*** In case you didn't read my intro, the above was Gemini's take on the situation ***
I'm sure many in this thread will disagree, but I'll have to say that I do agree with Gemini's analysis here.
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Eshiel
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Tue, Jul 07and I think that's the problem....why are you asking a corporate tool created by a company with a penchant for betraying customers to quantify a human experience of being betrayed. We ALL understand, nobody is that dumb. But we ALL feel BETRAYED because what do you mean we don't get any warning...WHAT??.
jmper
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Tue, Jul 07The broad overview of the analysis is mostly true (adult content-bad for discovery via search engines) but RenderHub will not compete with the huge sites. This isn't the next Facebook that will overtake Myspace or GeoCities. Most likely, RenderHub will limp along for a while and then cease to exist. RenderHub will probably follow the same arc as ShareCG. Competition is difficult, some sites that do not have a large backing get crushed without a specific niche to cater to users and bring them back.
Not an attack on your post, just picking at what Gemini reasoning is.
Not an attack on your post, just picking at what Gemini reasoning is.
JohnnyLuck777
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Tue, Jul 07Eshiel:
I asked the "corporate tool" the question because it's developed by the company that's responsible for sending 60-70% of all referral traffic to websites in the US. We can't ignore the fact that this probably matters to the folks at RenderHub.
I asked the "corporate tool" the question because it's developed by the company that's responsible for sending 60-70% of all referral traffic to websites in the US. We can't ignore the fact that this probably matters to the folks at RenderHub.
JohnnyLuck777
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Tue, Jul 07jmper:
Quote: "RenderHub will not compete with the huge sites"
Isn't it possible that RenderHub was being held back from competing with the huge sites *because* of the adult content? I honestly think so.
Quote: "RenderHub will limp along for a while and then cease to exist"
I appreciate that you weren't attacking my post. I totally understand what you meant. So please understand that I'm not attacking you when I say this. Aren't you assuming that RenderHub's adult sales were the majority of the revenue? I don't think so. At this point, I still see over 300,000 products in the various sections of the marketplace.
Since they're gone, I don't know how many adult products there were. I can only imagine that it was a tiny fraction of what remains. Therefore, I don't think the adult sales were keeping this place afloat. I think RenderHub will survive just fine without the adult content.
Quote: "RenderHub will not compete with the huge sites"
Isn't it possible that RenderHub was being held back from competing with the huge sites *because* of the adult content? I honestly think so.
Quote: "RenderHub will limp along for a while and then cease to exist"
I appreciate that you weren't attacking my post. I totally understand what you meant. So please understand that I'm not attacking you when I say this. Aren't you assuming that RenderHub's adult sales were the majority of the revenue? I don't think so. At this point, I still see over 300,000 products in the various sections of the marketplace.
Since they're gone, I don't know how many adult products there were. I can only imagine that it was a tiny fraction of what remains. Therefore, I don't think the adult sales were keeping this place afloat. I think RenderHub will survive just fine without the adult content.
jmper
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Tue, Jul 07No problem JohnnyLuck777, sincerely I am not upset or attacking.
I don't think that the adult section made the lion share of the profit, but what with that niche gone then people/users/vendors will just go to the larger sites or niche sites making this site redundant in the grand scheme of things.
I don't think that the adult section made the lion share of the profit, but what with that niche gone then people/users/vendors will just go to the larger sites or niche sites making this site redundant in the grand scheme of things.
jmper
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Tue, Jul 07In fact, I never heard of this site or knew of its existence until ShareCG was shutting down and Jibicoco posted he was moving his freebies here. Once I signed up for this site I found products by Dreamlight that I never knew existed and I then discovered Appeal 2 Audacity and SquarePeg3D.
JohnnyLuck777
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Tue, Jul 07jmper:
First of all, it's refreshing to have an honest and civil conversation about reality. (and that's a compliment to you)
When you say that the people will just go to the larger sites, I think you might be forgetting that those larger sites don't accept this niche - so people won't be going there. And I'll admit that I don't know much about these niche sites, but isn't Renderotica really the only other place they can go?
As far as RenderHub being "redundant", I don't think that's a problem. TurboSquid, CGTrader, and Sketchfab coexist right now and have for quite some time. Would you consider any of those sites to be redundant?
First of all, it's refreshing to have an honest and civil conversation about reality. (and that's a compliment to you)
When you say that the people will just go to the larger sites, I think you might be forgetting that those larger sites don't accept this niche - so people won't be going there. And I'll admit that I don't know much about these niche sites, but isn't Renderotica really the only other place they can go?
As far as RenderHub being "redundant", I don't think that's a problem. TurboSquid, CGTrader, and Sketchfab coexist right now and have for quite some time. Would you consider any of those sites to be redundant?
jmper
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Tue, Jul 07Thank you! Same to you as well!
Yes, the larger sites do not have the adult niche but they have the competitive edge, they are larger. All those coexist and are huge compared to this site. When I say redundant, the vendors can get more exposure by going to the larger sites and any of their adult content can be sold on the niche sites. Those sites have crossover, such as Daz and Rendo have crossover, but are huge. Powerage, Dreamlight, and even Davo had products on Daz (and i am sure many other vendors) have multiple storefronts on different larger sites. Why would a vendor stay here if the non-adult product would get more exposure on the larger sites that didn't burn you.
Yes, the larger sites do not have the adult niche but they have the competitive edge, they are larger. All those coexist and are huge compared to this site. When I say redundant, the vendors can get more exposure by going to the larger sites and any of their adult content can be sold on the niche sites. Those sites have crossover, such as Daz and Rendo have crossover, but are huge. Powerage, Dreamlight, and even Davo had products on Daz (and i am sure many other vendors) have multiple storefronts on different larger sites. Why would a vendor stay here if the non-adult product would get more exposure on the larger sites that didn't burn you.
jmper
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Tue, Jul 07@Dareshiranu
You see, according to Cocteau's plan I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder - "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green jello all over my body reading playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".
You see, according to Cocteau's plan I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think; I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech and freedom of choice. I'm the kind of guy likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder - "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecued ribs with the side order of gravy fries?" I WANT high cholesterol. I wanna eat bacon and butter and BUCKETS of cheese, okay? I want to smoke Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section. I want to run through the streets naked with green jello all over my body reading playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly might feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiener".
deathd
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Wed, Jul 08@jmper
The reason I opened my store here instead of daz, because daz are assholes to people trying to open a store there. I have heard behind the scenes there is a lot of nepotism from vendors about letting people open up competing stores, but that is just what I have heard from another vendor. I tried to get my items sold over there and was just given terse rejection emails, no constructive criticism on why it was rejected etc.
I tried here, and like a hour later I had a store. The people that run the place were very responsive at the time, even answering forum questions.
The reason I opened my store here instead of daz, because daz are assholes to people trying to open a store there. I have heard behind the scenes there is a lot of nepotism from vendors about letting people open up competing stores, but that is just what I have heard from another vendor. I tried to get my items sold over there and was just given terse rejection emails, no constructive criticism on why it was rejected etc.
I tried here, and like a hour later I had a store. The people that run the place were very responsive at the time, even answering forum questions.
jmper
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Wed, Jul 08@deathd
Oh, I'm sure Daz is difficult. I have heard the same. I imagine it was easier to make a store here. The bad thing is that they also made it easier to be dependent on them till they change policy.
Oh, I'm sure Daz is difficult. I have heard the same. I imagine it was easier to make a store here. The bad thing is that they also made it easier to be dependent on them till they change policy.
shadowyartsdirty
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Thu, Jul 09A few problems they didn't give anyone any warnings, even though it would have cost nothing to do a simple email blast and tell people hey look were sorry but many of your products will no longer be available for sale due to a legal dilema. We understand your fustration and will try to find a way forward in the near future.
It's not the best message but it's something I was able to wip up, without the need of a biased Ai.
It's not the best message but it's something I was able to wip up, without the need of a biased Ai.
That's really bad news first thing in the morning... especially since I'm currently in the process of migrating some of my projects from another platform (which is having a few issues right now). But hey... who says life always has to go in a straight line?
I have mixed feelings about this: of course, it's a shame that, as a 3D developer, I can no longer offer NSFW products here. On the other hand, this of course gives the other, dark platform a chance to reinvent itself and rebuild. The current problems there are mainly due to suboptimal communication regarding the release of products by developers (to put it simply).
So - is everything fine?
Not quite! I'm still missing some additional information from the admins. For example, my products (as someone claimed somewhere in this thread) haven't been deleted or deactivated... they just can't be found right now. So it would be interesting for the NSFW sector to find out what will happen with projects of this kind in the future.
Maybe the admins will provide some additional information on this soon. In any case, it remains exciting.
I have mixed feelings about this: of course, it's a shame that, as a 3D developer, I can no longer offer NSFW products here. On the other hand, this of course gives the other, dark platform a chance to reinvent itself and rebuild. The current problems there are mainly due to suboptimal communication regarding the release of products by developers (to put it simply).
So - is everything fine?
Not quite! I'm still missing some additional information from the admins. For example, my products (as someone claimed somewhere in this thread) haven't been deleted or deactivated... they just can't be found right now. So it would be interesting for the NSFW sector to find out what will happen with projects of this kind in the future.
Maybe the admins will provide some additional information on this soon. In any case, it remains exciting.
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understand the both sides. Nothing hits you more than losing your work. But on the other hand: what choice does renderhub have? If they don't change something the payouts platform can pull the plug. And than everyone loses.
But I do wish that we get and separate topic related: is lace underwear okay? Is spicy renders ok? (Covered the private body parts), etc.
But I do wish that we get and separate topic related: is lace underwear okay? Is spicy renders ok? (Covered the private body parts), etc.
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Pushee-Ri
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Tue, Jul 07Yes - I, too, am plagued by a number of questions about what’s allowed and what isn’t. For example, I was planning to migrate a few pose packs to Renderhub. These include, on the one hand, contorted poses and, on the other hand, poses featuring armchairs or chaise longues. So nothing that’s definitely NSFW (OK, the promo images do show scantily clad women… but that’s what censorship bars are for, for example
But—would censorship bars be enough to get this into the 'Mature' section? Questions upon questions… and no answers from the admins so far. But maybe we’ll hear back eventually
But—would censorship bars be enough to get this into the 'Mature' section? Questions upon questions… and no answers from the admins so far. But maybe we’ll hear back eventually
3DLoki
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Tue, Jul 07When in doubt use mannequins, historically ALL marketplaces have welcomed them for promos where clothing is scant, or poses are more on the suggestive side.
Daz and Renderosity for example almost 'demand' that certain types of clothing use mannequins instead of human characters, and it goes back to what I said... here... over 'you know where' maybe both lol.
When it comes to processors context is key, toss a ripped up shirt on a mannequin no one bats an eye, put that same shirt on a human figure and all the sudden it's NSFW.
Daz and Renderosity for example almost 'demand' that certain types of clothing use mannequins instead of human characters, and it goes back to what I said... here... over 'you know where' maybe both lol.
When it comes to processors context is key, toss a ripped up shirt on a mannequin no one bats an eye, put that same shirt on a human figure and all the sudden it's NSFW.
KuraiKya
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Wed, Jul 08@Loki all my clothing is on mannequin and that didn’t stop for example a different site from putting my stuff down. Let’s just say that site has poorly designed bots.
@Pushee
I‘m sure they will. I would also guess that the top vendor section will get an update and many more to come.
@Pushee
I‘m sure they will. I would also guess that the top vendor section will get an update and many more to come.
Pushee-Ri
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Wed, Jul 08@3DLoki
Thanks for the heads-up
Yeah - mannequins usually work (except for Meipe products .... but I'm way too lazy to render new promos for old pose packs. So - if the censorship bar (via Photoshop) doesn't work: tough luck, guys! Then the products will just stay 'Exclusive' elsewhere
Thanks for the heads-up
Yeah - mannequins usually work (except for Meipe products
.... but I'm way too lazy to render new promos for old pose packs. So - if the censorship bar (via Photoshop) doesn't work: tough luck, guys! Then the products will just stay 'Exclusive' elsewhere 3DLoki
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Wed, Jul 08KuraiKya: oof, I feel for you on that one, IF it's the store I'm assuming it is I'd say the bigger issue is more consistency over poorly designed bots BUT they DID label a pair of normal gloves "Adult" and simple hair color add on's as Adults so it could in fact be a mix of both
Pushee-Ri: no worries there at least for 'elsewhere' we're handling all the mannequin promos on our end, I've got people going product by product through the master catalog and adding SKU's to a list that can be moved to the SFW checkout with promo changes, and then we make those new "Render Reference" images that go on the SFW catalog, all original vendor promo images stay on the catalog site and the NSFW site
Pushee-Ri: no worries there at least for 'elsewhere' we're handling all the mannequin promos on our end, I've got people going product by product through the master catalog and adding SKU's to a list that can be moved to the SFW checkout with promo changes, and then we make those new "Render Reference" images that go on the SFW catalog, all original vendor promo images stay on the catalog site and the NSFW site
Pushee-Ri
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Wed, Jul 08@3DLoki
The censorship bar is meant for my projects on Renderhub... as for the other platform, someone set me straight, and I think I know (or am currently in the process of) creating a double set of promos
The censorship bar is meant for my projects on Renderhub... as for the other platform, someone set me straight, and I think I know (or am currently in the process of) creating a double set of promos
KuraiKya
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Wed, Jul 08@Loki- i think we are both talking about the same site with an nonexciting Admins and aggessive Bots.
KuraiKya
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Wed, Jul 08@Pushee- dont give up- Its a challange but what in live isnt?
"Good things dont come easy."
"Good things dont come easy."
3DLoki
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Wed, Jul 08KuraiKya: I wonder if the owners went to school together as they both seem to make massive sweeping changes that effects a big portion of their vendors without bothering to give any sort of heads up.
C.I.P. when they decided to create their "Safe, Mature, Adult" tags and defaulted EVERY member to Safe, there was ZERO heads up for any of us, just woke up and X% - XX% of your catalog was hidden. or further back when they decided to nuke "Bundles" no heads up there either.
I think what bugs me the most was I totally forgot that Ion used to be a vendor over at Daz, just for S&G I went to check out the "top vendors" tab to see what kind of changes happened with adult content being nuked here, and when I got to Ion and saw "Vantasy" I was like... wait... holy... I totally forgot he was the one who made that, and that makes me that much more sad, because as a vendor himself, he knows full well the pitfalls we all go through, he knows what we lack and what we need, and instead of treating this like a forward facing issue and shooting out the simplest of heads up emails he just nukes it, posts a thread and then.... does a Homer backing into the tall bush meme for the rest of the day / night.
Boggles my mind honestly
C.I.P. when they decided to create their "Safe, Mature, Adult" tags and defaulted EVERY member to Safe, there was ZERO heads up for any of us, just woke up and X% - XX% of your catalog was hidden. or further back when they decided to nuke "Bundles" no heads up there either.
I think what bugs me the most was I totally forgot that Ion used to be a vendor over at Daz, just for S&G I went to check out the "top vendors" tab to see what kind of changes happened with adult content being nuked here, and when I got to Ion and saw "Vantasy" I was like... wait... holy... I totally forgot he was the one who made that, and that makes me that much more sad, because as a vendor himself, he knows full well the pitfalls we all go through, he knows what we lack and what we need, and instead of treating this like a forward facing issue and shooting out the simplest of heads up emails he just nukes it, posts a thread and then.... does a Homer backing into the tall bush meme for the rest of the day / night.
Boggles my mind honestly
Pushee-Ri
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Wed, Jul 08@KuraiKya
Don't worry: the more annoyed I get, the more persistent I become
Don't worry: the more annoyed I get, the more persistent I become
Boobs Academy
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Wed, Jul 08The problem is it makes no sense anymore to create adult content. I needed both shops to come on the revenue. So now I have to stick to characters, environments and clothing. Creating the spicy stuff would be stupid.
KuraiKya
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Wed, Jul 08From the first look: your store looks still dult“ to me. And you could make poses and so on for here and a script for more on your own website or whatever you prefer to sell that other content. People who like your stuff will find a way to support you.
Boobs Academy
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Wed, Jul 08That sounds like a good idea but also risky. An extensive promo for adult content on my private platform inside regular renderhub products would possible lead to a new instant surprise like this from today.
KuraiKya
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Wed, Jul 08Not if you play by the rules: a clear name of the script like ore adult poses“ or something more marketable than this. And a warning on your site itself or a constant warning that you have to be 18/21, depending on the country you live in, before progressing.
Boobs Academy
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Wed, Jul 08With "script" you mean a link you can click out of the DAZ product folder inside DAZ Studio?
KuraiKya
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Wed, Jul 08I have a dsf file in my folder (some people like Sue Yu) use a PNG and merge the link that. So you klick on the logo and you’re landing on their page. Is a common theme on daz3D.
3DLoki
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Wed, Jul 08dunno if this will translate over to forum properly but:
1: create a text file that is 4 lines long
2: in the top line put: // DAZ Studio version 3.0 filetype DAZ Script
3: skip a line
4: on the 3rd line put: App.showURL( "https://www.facebook.com/3DLoki/" ); (Replace with your own link of course lol)
5: skip a line.
Save the file "name.dsa" where name = something like "visit" "vendor name" etc
You then make a matching thumbnail (and optional .tip file) with the EXACT name, and put both (or all 3) files in the root of your product folder so....
people/Genesis 8 Female/Clothing/Boobs Academy/New Sexy Outfit G8F/HERE
*Just don't link offsite for the versions you submit elsewhere or the testers will spank ya
1: create a text file that is 4 lines long
2: in the top line put: // DAZ Studio version 3.0 filetype DAZ Script
3: skip a line
4: on the 3rd line put: App.showURL( "https://www.facebook.com/3DLoki/" ); (Replace with your own link of course lol)
5: skip a line.
Save the file "name.dsa" where name = something like "visit" "vendor name" etc
You then make a matching thumbnail (and optional .tip file) with the EXACT name, and put both (or all 3) files in the root of your product folder so....
people/Genesis 8 Female/Clothing/Boobs Academy/New Sexy Outfit G8F/HERE
*Just don't link offsite for the versions you submit elsewhere or the testers will spank ya
Boobs Academy
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Wed, Jul 08Thank you for the details! This will make it easy.
I could link to my product overview page on R*Rotica but I have to check this with the Renderhub support first if they would accept such a link to solve the mostly intended function... leading from non adult products to my adult collection
I could link to my product overview page on R*Rotica but I have to check this with the Renderhub support first if they would accept such a link to solve the mostly intended function... leading from non adult products to my adult collection
3DLoki
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Wed, Jul 08Honestly I would not link to another store, normally will only lead to spankings... and not the good kind lol.
Instead link it to one of your socials or a hub like linktree, if you're looking to link somewhere just to show people where they can still find your NSFW then you'd want either X or Bluesky as they both allow adult content, linking to your socials or a hub page is far less frowned upon then linking to a competitors site for sure.
Instead link it to one of your socials or a hub like linktree, if you're looking to link somewhere just to show people where they can still find your NSFW then you'd want either X or Bluesky as they both allow adult content, linking to your socials or a hub page is far less frowned upon then linking to a competitors site for sure.
Boobs Academy
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Wed, Jul 08Yes, this makes much more sense but i have to put up something first. Didn‘t waste time for socials or marketing in general in the past. I thought the deal is I do products and the platforms get a good share for the sales part
3DLoki
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Wed, Jul 08you're preaching to the choir lol, sadly more and more work tends to fall on vendors these days to promote our own products, that's one of the reasons I did what I did elsewhere for those 11-12 years, and I'm bringing it all back plus more now
But it's always the best practice to also have your own socials because it's a great way to curate your fans/customers, even if you only post a single image with "such and such is now live at....." that's fine it's better then nothing, I have some things coming up for social noobs as well as vets once we get the HRP stuff settled so deff stay tuned!
But it's always the best practice to also have your own socials because it's a great way to curate your fans/customers, even if you only post a single image with "such and such is now live at....." that's fine it's better then nothing, I have some things coming up for social noobs as well as vets once we get the HRP stuff settled so deff stay tuned!
Boobs Academy
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Wed, Jul 08"I have some things coming up for social noobs"
I am looking forward to, thanx for your great help so far!
A link inside my RRotica products to my RRotica product page is alrady a good improvement.
I am looking forward to, thanx for your great help so far!
A link inside my RRotica products to my RRotica product page is alrady a good improvement.
shadowyartsdirty
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Thu, Jul 09THey could wan us.
I get that they have no control over Payment processor's fair and fine we understand, but at least notify us.
I get that they have no control over Payment processor's fair and fine we understand, but at least notify us.
Ooookay...
I've never posted actually any really naughty stuff here.
And from what I can see that's still on the site you're still cool with some nudity, I guess.
I dunno, it would be nice to have options.
Also, at least some warning would have been nice...
I've never posted actually any really naughty stuff here.
And from what I can see that's still on the site you're still cool with some nudity, I guess.
I dunno, it would be nice to have options.
Also, at least some warning would have been nice...
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I'll be honest, this limits how much money I'm willing to spend on this platform. Not only for the decision but also for how little it respected its customers and the content providers by allowing absolutely zero forewarning or opportunity for feedback.
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For instance : HumanXStudio2026 ADULT is pron or not ?I really hope to be able to find these products somewhere else.Avoiding prudish legal problems will drastically lower your number of customers.Sad
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Well, I am out. I wish I had seen this before I made my latest purchase today. Looking at June alone, I guess I will be saving around $2,426.39 by not being on this site. Time to look for a new hobby. I expect to be able to download what I legally purchased going forward. I know the credit card companies are really behind this trend. People keep having the day they voted for... even if I didn't. Peace!
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"We're excited about what's ahead, and we look forward to building the next generation of RenderHub together with all of you."
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I think your exciting days are behind you xD
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I think your exciting days are behind you xD
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diogenese19348
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Wed, Jul 08Now now, train wrecks are always exciting.
It will be interesting to see what comes out of this, but frankly without the adult content there really isn't much this site does to differentiate itself from a host of others.
But this line
"Adult artists have been a valued part of the RenderHub community, and we appreciate the work, creativity, and business they have brought to the platform. We understand this is disappointing and disruptive for some vendors and customers, especially those who have spent years building their stores, libraries, and audiences here."
Well, no, obviously they are not a "valued part" or as the saying goes "don't piss on us and call it rain"
The fact that no notice was given to vendors, that no attempt at all was made to convert products to safe for work and actually the lead up to this, where stores were closed and we were told "we don't discuss reasons" NONE of that tells anybody they are "a valued part" of anything.
As I said, this will be interesting.
And all this in the face of a shrinking 3D market to start with
Lot's O' Luck.
It will be interesting to see what comes out of this, but frankly without the adult content there really isn't much this site does to differentiate itself from a host of others.
But this line
"Adult artists have been a valued part of the RenderHub community, and we appreciate the work, creativity, and business they have brought to the platform. We understand this is disappointing and disruptive for some vendors and customers, especially those who have spent years building their stores, libraries, and audiences here."
Well, no, obviously they are not a "valued part" or as the saying goes "don't piss on us and call it rain"
The fact that no notice was given to vendors, that no attempt at all was made to convert products to safe for work and actually the lead up to this, where stores were closed and we were told "we don't discuss reasons" NONE of that tells anybody they are "a valued part" of anything.
As I said, this will be interesting.
And all this in the face of a shrinking 3D market to start with
Lot's O' Luck.
Kepthorn
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Wed, Jul 08A literal great big middle finger would have been preferable. At least it would have been honest.
Hey so a warning in advance would’ve been nice.. It’s not fair at all for vendors who have build their stores for years
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sunkissedpapayas
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Wed, Jul 08Hey oomphy, I had something in my cart yesterday that you created and decided to risk purchasing it even though you were no longer able to see the product. Like it was removed completely with the changes here. I went through with the purchase and was able to download it. So I hope they give you your money for it and not just pocket it as profit for themselves since they removed the item from the store. If they don't reach out to me, because I screenshot my list of purchased items each time I purchase something.
oomphy
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Thu, Jul 09Hi, thank you for purchasing my product & being thoughtful, after checking, your last purchase of my product was May 24th.. I should probably contact the support about it. Thank you for letting me know!
I understand the change; on Renderotica, you won't see a character under the age of 25, nor on CGBytes-which is their non-pornographic version.
Mixing minors with adult content is like walking a tightrope over a precipice.
Mixing minors with adult content is like walking a tightrope over a precipice.
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Masterstroke
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Wed, Jul 08There are clear cases of 3d-minors, of course.
But tell me, how to tell the if a 3d character is 17 years or 27 years of age, if that is already sometimes difficult in real life.
As far as I know, fictional 3d characters do not have a personal ID.
But tell me, how to tell the if a 3d character is 17 years or 27 years of age, if that is already sometimes difficult in real life.
As far as I know, fictional 3d characters do not have a personal ID.
Matttew
Karma: 168
Wed, Jul 08That's true, but it depends on the Renderotica reviewer's judgment.
If the reviewer thinks a character looks about 17, they reject it.
That's why there's a reviewer who filters the content, something that's never happened here.
If the reviewer thinks a character looks about 17, they reject it.
That's why there's a reviewer who filters the content, something that's never happened here.
Most corrupt organizations are the zealous religion groups. Trying to sanitize the internet, but in the meantime advocate for child marriage. Bored housewives clutching their pearls, while husband has a side piece. If they had it their way, slavery would still be a thing. I hate those hypocrites with a passion. Good luck to you guys. Try set up a commercial site in the EU. We don't have those stupid fanatics.
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Masterstroke
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Wed, Jul 08The christian nationalist Epstein class is enforcing a ban on NSFW art and content, by controlling the payment system.
Najara
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Wed, Jul 08In the EU credit cards are not as commonly used as in the US. We use Ideal for transfers between banks. Avoiding the visa/mastercard blackmail.
Najara
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Wed, Jul 08While Ideal is accepted throughout the EU, it's only from the Netherlands that this payment is usable.
So from one of the very few remaining sites that had a reasonable policy of allowing adult content while making it extremely easy to filter it out for anyone who doesn't want to see it, you decided to become one of the 6830948539084 identical pearl-clutchers who just can't fathom that yes, something can be hot and actually very pretty and artistic at the same time.
Need to think if I'll bother posting here anymore then even though this affects maybe 1/4 of my renders (so far, can't wait for more sudden rugpulls and rule changes), this is pathetic on a whole lot of levels besides just the above. Good luck, I'm sure becoming one of many identical sites is a great business move.
Need to think if I'll bother posting here anymore then even though this affects maybe 1/4 of my renders (so far, can't wait for more sudden rugpulls and rule changes), this is pathetic on a whole lot of levels besides just the above. Good luck, I'm sure becoming one of many identical sites is a great business move.
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Is there any good alternative shop at the moment?
How does this Patreon thing work... has some creator good experiences with it?
How does this Patreon thing work... has some creator good experiences with it?
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VincentBlackwood
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Wed, Jul 08nopenopenopenope, avoid Patreon. I had my entire account nuked on the spot there and their "support" behaved like stereotypical reddit mods because I misunderstood how their labyrinthian adult content rules work. (Specifically, I made some posts available to free members - not public, free members - instead of only paying members.) Possibly the #1 scummiest customer support experience I have ever had in my entire life.
Boobs Academy
Karma: 7,916
Wed, Jul 08Thank you for the warning. Building something up just to get it destroyed in a moment is an experience I don‘t need one more time.
SinisterSh0t
Karma: 951
Wed, Jul 08Subscribestar would be a better choice for now instead of Patreon. But who knows how long that will last before it cracks down too.
Boobs Academy
Karma: 7,916
Wed, Jul 08Thank you for the hint. Somebody else mentioned it to me a year ago. You are completely right... overall this kind of product is totally under fire.
The "adult" section in the gallery has gone as well.
Only up to "Mature " level remaining. Who knows for how long.
We all the real reason for this, don't we?
It is the knee bending to the "Christian Nationalists" running the tech companies.
Explicit content is not for anyone, but the moment, it is censored and forbidden, you know the bad guys running the script.
It won't take long till the "Mature" Level will fall. It won't take long, till everything trans-LGBTQ associated will be banned.
But hey, at least gore stuff is still up.
You may post machiene guns, but dildos will be banned.
Only up to "Mature " level remaining. Who knows for how long.
We all the real reason for this, don't we?
It is the knee bending to the "Christian Nationalists" running the tech companies.
Explicit content is not for anyone, but the moment, it is censored and forbidden, you know the bad guys running the script.
It won't take long till the "Mature" Level will fall. It won't take long, till everything trans-LGBTQ associated will be banned.
But hey, at least gore stuff is still up.
You may post machiene guns, but dildos will be banned.
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Hellcat
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Wed, Jul 08The glowing language of the OP doesn't suggest they were pressured. It suggests this decision was made in anticipation of a short term windfall. I wouldn't be surprised if this site gets absorbed into DAZ/Tafi like RDNA and Hivewire were.
Seriously, your Top 6 vendor is a only adult content seller, and all the top 6 vendors sell adult contents. You're crazy?
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“a valued part of the renderhub communityutter garbage of a statement, if we were valued you’d have given us a warning. I went from 150 ish products to 25.
You know well enough most people dont go here to buy SFW content.
Years wasted, very valued.
You know well enough most people dont go here to buy SFW content.
Years wasted, very valued.
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FINo230fn
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Wed, Jul 08IAAF, you do great work. Sucks for you and the other people creating stuff. If you end up going somewhere else, I'll completely keep buying your stuff there.
sunkissedpapayas
Karma: 815
Wed, Jul 08Hey IAMAFOX, I had something in my cart yesterday that you created and decided to risk purchasing it even though you were no longer able to see the product. Like it was removed completely with the changes here. I went through with the purchase and was able to download it. So I hope they give you your money for it and not just pocket it as profit for themselves since they removed the item from the store. If they don't reach out to me, because I screenshot my list of purchased items each time I purchase something. Over the years I've learned not to trust companies and keep records of purchases.
So, it happened. Without any prior warning, or time to re-group. That part, is not so nice. And I feel for all of you who have been hit hard. I lost nearly 20% of my store. It sucks. The decision it self? Probably what needed to be done in our harsh online climate, with online billing / rules being the major problem. Just look at the intense issues around PornHub, and they're like the 7th largest website in the world. (Not the same issues, just saying erotic content is a harsh environment to be in).
Moving forward, what you can do is this:
1. See if you can salvage some of your items. Start with promos, and make them nude without touching or explicit spreading of legs. If the content is not explicit by design (touching, spreading, dual characters action etc), then it can be redone by simple promo changes / removal of explicit promos. Currently, we cannot re-classify when editing the products. So, unfortunately, until they add this functionality, we're locked out from re-branding our items to "mature" / nude. The solution short-term can be do re-launch them as new items.
2. Launch bundles of the items that are "safe", to counter the loss of income
3. Focus on a more "professional" product line, with focus on nude stuff with class, rather than "just spreading legs for the fun of it". (Hey, I know, party pooper! )
4. Move the adult items that you can into other stores (if possible, and if other options are available).
5. Create add-ons or lite versions of your safe items, to counter the loss of income
6. Come up with alternative product lines, like, what can I add to the store, what else would people want?
I know, this will not replace all of it, and in some cases nothing at all. But, if you can recover 10-20%, that's better than nothing.
Best of luck fellow artists, go make the world shine again!
Moving forward, what you can do is this:
1. See if you can salvage some of your items. Start with promos, and make them nude without touching or explicit spreading of legs. If the content is not explicit by design (touching, spreading, dual characters action etc), then it can be redone by simple promo changes / removal of explicit promos. Currently, we cannot re-classify when editing the products. So, unfortunately, until they add this functionality, we're locked out from re-branding our items to "mature" / nude. The solution short-term can be do re-launch them as new items.
2. Launch bundles of the items that are "safe", to counter the loss of income
3. Focus on a more "professional" product line, with focus on nude stuff with class, rather than "just spreading legs for the fun of it". (Hey, I know, party pooper!
)4. Move the adult items that you can into other stores (if possible, and if other options are available).
5. Create add-ons or lite versions of your safe items, to counter the loss of income
6. Come up with alternative product lines, like, what can I add to the store, what else would people want?
I know, this will not replace all of it, and in some cases nothing at all. But, if you can recover 10-20%, that's better than nothing.
Best of luck fellow artists, go make the world shine again!
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Such a big change without any annoucement for the customers and the vendoors? Very, very bad marketing.
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Look at the old times.
Let's get inventive.
People have always found ways to share NSFW content.
Let's get inventive.
People have always found ways to share NSFW content.
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Boobs Academy
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Wed, Jul 08This DAZ world is already a niche. I honestly see no way how to sell NSFW products in reasonable numbers so I can‘t spend the time to create them anymore.
BeastGohanofTruth
Karma: 244
Wed, Jul 08@boobs - DAZ is on its slow way out too, I can't disagree, but you can use DAZ in tandem with Blender. Their are modules you can get to where you can use all your Daz created models, and port them into Blender.
DAZ itself, maybe on its last legs, but NSFW Adult Content is still going to continue on without them, if they choose to not listen either.
Just don't upgrade to their latest iterations. I'm still using 4.24 and doing fine, and plan on using Blender with Daz.
DAZ itself, maybe on its last legs, but NSFW Adult Content is still going to continue on without them, if they choose to not listen either.
Just don't upgrade to their latest iterations. I'm still using 4.24 and doing fine, and plan on using Blender with Daz.
BeastGohanofTruth
Karma: 244
Wed, Jul 08@masterstroke - Exactly. It's not going anywhere.
They tried to do something like this with Alcohol, back in the 20s, and it did NOTHING?!
All this is doing, is escalating the situation where there shouldn't be any.
They tried to do something like this with Alcohol, back in the 20s, and it did NOTHING?!
All this is doing, is escalating the situation where there shouldn't be any.
Congrats on this major screw up, not only have you angered both customers and creators by taking away the content they have made or desired with zero warning you have also nuked the trust in the platform twice in a few months. The question now is why would anyone trust that they can sell anything here? How long before you decide some random section of the site isn't allowed agin?
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This is just insulting. You couldn't even have the decency to give a week or two's advance notice. You lot just took the Nuke Everything Strategy so now everybody has to scramble.
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"Adult artists have been a valued part of the RenderHub community, and we appreciate the work, creativity, and business they have brought to the platform."
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allow me to offer my opinion as a brand new member: you've killed all interest i had in posting here.
i can deal with a site no longer showing adult content. i've never liked the decision or reasoning when it comes, but i've adapted and can adapt again. but the disrespect to your vendors shown here? nah.
i always planned on posting to both renderhub and renderotica, but started here because it seemed much more active in the forums and gallery comments. i'd been working on a piece that used products from pawngame and iamafox and now i see no reason to continue with it because even if i jump through all the hoops needed to still post it, why should i have any faith that your mature gallery will stay up in the days to come? or that my render won't be deleted just because it uses products you nuked from the store, even if i'm jumping through those hoops?
i'm not willing to give you that faith now. it's absolutely mind-boggling how you decided to go about this with no warning to your vendors or customers.
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allow me to offer my opinion as a brand new member: you've killed all interest i had in posting here.
i can deal with a site no longer showing adult content. i've never liked the decision or reasoning when it comes, but i've adapted and can adapt again. but the disrespect to your vendors shown here? nah.
i always planned on posting to both renderhub and renderotica, but started here because it seemed much more active in the forums and gallery comments. i'd been working on a piece that used products from pawngame and iamafox and now i see no reason to continue with it because even if i jump through all the hoops needed to still post it, why should i have any faith that your mature gallery will stay up in the days to come? or that my render won't be deleted just because it uses products you nuked from the store, even if i'm jumping through those hoops?
i'm not willing to give you that faith now. it's absolutely mind-boggling how you decided to go about this with no warning to your vendors or customers.
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If this is the way you are going to treat any of your vendors, especially vendors who have been here for years providing you content, then why should I, as a customer, ever buy anything from this platform? A very unprofessional display, and I hope you reap the consequences for it.
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BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08You shouldn't Talk with your wallet. They literally just did MARKETSHARE SEPOKU to themselves...
Spineless Knee Bending Cowards...
Spineless Knee Bending Cowards...
There's the possibility that Renderhub have panicked and jumped the starting pistol because of the push for Digital ID.
If they decide to keep NSFW images/market place items then everyone accessing the site would need to prove - using recognised ID - that they are 18+. This would mean them holding huge amounts of sensitive data and keep it secure, which would not be cheap. Large sites would be able to absorb the cost but smaller ones like Renderhub would struggle. Currently, when accessing the gallery for example without logging in then you are simple asked to confirm you are 18+. Under Digital ID you would need to prove it using photo ID or using an already set up Digital ID.
Credit card companies and banks will soon start demanding photo ID every time you purchase something using a credit/bank card.
The way RenderHub has handled this is distinctly underhanded. Rather than saying that confirmation of being 18+ is no longer enough they have just striped stuff out of the site.
If they decide to keep NSFW images/market place items then everyone accessing the site would need to prove - using recognised ID - that they are 18+. This would mean them holding huge amounts of sensitive data and keep it secure, which would not be cheap. Large sites would be able to absorb the cost but smaller ones like Renderhub would struggle. Currently, when accessing the gallery for example without logging in then you are simple asked to confirm you are 18+. Under Digital ID you would need to prove it using photo ID or using an already set up Digital ID.
Credit card companies and banks will soon start demanding photo ID every time you purchase something using a credit/bank card.
The way RenderHub has handled this is distinctly underhanded. Rather than saying that confirmation of being 18+ is no longer enough they have just striped stuff out of the site.
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Masterstroke
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Wed, Jul 08Exactly:
Anticipatory Obedience.
Cowardly bending the knee to the Christian Nationalist Epstein Billionair Tech-class.
(And we all know, what Epstein stands for)
THEY, want to regulate, what we post or download. Hipocracy at its peak.
Anticipatory Obedience.
Cowardly bending the knee to the Christian Nationalist Epstein Billionair Tech-class.
(And we all know, what Epstein stands for)
THEY, want to regulate, what we post or download. Hipocracy at its peak.
BeastGohanofTruth
Karma: 244
Wed, Jul 08@Moogee - and this is why people have HAD ENOUGH of this 1984 BS and a Reckoning is coming to who push this, and who are for it.
MAKE NO COMPRISIES to evil.
They did this to themselves....
MAKE NO COMPRISIES to evil.
They did this to themselves....
I am not happy at all.
You posted about this 15 hours ago-thank goodness someone told me, because I hadn't even seen it...
Items from my store were simply deleted, without any prior notice.
1 : I'll have to review my entire store to see what was removed.
2 : I'll have to update my catalog or republish certain items (if possible).
3 : I'll have to update ALL MY ACCOUNTING RECORDS !!!!!!!!
4 : I'll have to set up links to my support files on Dropbox Pro (I can't update the item here because the product page has been deleted).
How is this going to work with search engine indexing ? Will people click on images (e.g., Google Images) and end up on dead links because our store pages have been deleted ?
Today it's the adult section ; what will it be tomorrow ? Swimwear ? Lingerie ?
You posted about this 15 hours ago-thank goodness someone told me, because I hadn't even seen it...
Items from my store were simply deleted, without any prior notice.
1 : I'll have to review my entire store to see what was removed.
2 : I'll have to update my catalog or republish certain items (if possible).
3 : I'll have to update ALL MY ACCOUNTING RECORDS !!!!!!!!
4 : I'll have to set up links to my support files on Dropbox Pro (I can't update the item here because the product page has been deleted).
How is this going to work with search engine indexing ? Will people click on images (e.g., Google Images) and end up on dead links because our store pages have been deleted ?
Today it's the adult section ; what will it be tomorrow ? Swimwear ? Lingerie ?
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guy91600
Karma: 20,575
Wed, Jul 08Le site est aux USA, les salariés sont virés du jour au lendemain sans préavis. Nous autres français, nous avons des lois qui nous protègent en tant que salariés, la contre partie de ces avantages sociaux est le taux de prélevement social et fiscal.
V8Infinite
Karma: 16,749
Wed, Jul 08Hello Guy... Oui je sais... J'aurais simplement aimé être prévenu et avoir une explication, parce que la c'est brutal et tout le monde est dans l'incompréhension...
guy91600
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Wed, Jul 08Comme beaucoup de vendeurs j'ai aussi quelques produits que j'avais classé Adult pour être tranquille qui sont invisible à la vente. Nos acheteurs peuvent toujours les retélécharger en cas de besoin, c'est quand même une info importante.
This is a bold quick step. Just noticed how much of the existing products are just not there now. I won't miss them, but I understand then intense and sudden change of reality for others.
This is a significant move. There may be a reason we dont know.
This is a significant move. There may be a reason we dont know.
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Masterstroke
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Wed, Jul 08Quote:
"This is a significant move. There may be a reason we dont know."
We sure do know
"This is a significant move. There may be a reason we dont know."
We sure do know
Tenserknot
Karma: 10,355
Wed, Jul 08Just noticed the Gallery has also redefined to 3 tiers from the original 4, Mature is still there. The bottom tier is gone.
This is substantial. the decision would not have been made lightly.
This is substantial. the decision would not have been made lightly.
Wow, you're working great, I don't know which one of you uses the shovel... but he's a genius, a nice big hole is coming out..
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JohnnyDueDue
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Thu, Jul 09This made me laugh disproportionately hard. I'm so happy to steal this and use it on my old coworkers.
the joker of spades
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Thu, Jul 09Luckily some people understood that it was humorous and that the hole they are digging is for the platform and not for physical people....let's laugh about it
Absolutely disgraceful to not even give a warning so people to could purchase items on their wishlist before they were forever deleted from the store.
Honestly insane, deranged and bizarre decision making on display here.
At least you could have tried to cash in on one final rush of sales just before you made this incredibly abrupt and aggressive change. That would also have given sellers time to find a new home.
Abominable stuff.
Honestly insane, deranged and bizarre decision making on display here.
At least you could have tried to cash in on one final rush of sales just before you made this incredibly abrupt and aggressive change. That would also have given sellers time to find a new home.
Abominable stuff.
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I know this is upsetting, and believe me when I say it is very upsetting for me as well, but unfortunately it had to be done.
But now I am starting to get some threatening messages, and want to be clear that these will be taken seriously and reported to law enforcement.
But now I am starting to get some threatening messages, and want to be clear that these will be taken seriously and reported to law enforcement.
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XavierMalcolm
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Wed, Jul 08A simple notice of the impending decision would have been the common sense thing to do obviously, but people sending threatening messages is even more insane and unacceptable.
Let's all take a couple steps back here and express frustrations like reasonable adults instead of raving lunatics.
Let's all take a couple steps back here and express frustrations like reasonable adults instead of raving lunatics.
the joker of spades
Karma: 35,559
Wed, Jul 08If you're referring to my post about the hole and the shovel...it was clearly humorous...it was a metaphor...I had no threatening intention, in fact I'm laughing about it...excuse my English...
BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08He's being thin skinned. This is why RH is doing what it is. Ion has NO SPINE...
GROW THE FUCK UP, ION!? No wonder you GOT WALKED OVER by these corpos...GO FUCK YOURSELF?!
GROW THE FUCK UP, ION!? No wonder you GOT WALKED OVER by these corpos...GO FUCK YOURSELF?!
BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08@xavier - NO ONE has made any threats. To ION, Threats are words that are hurting his FEEFEES.
Man is a SPINELESS KNEE BENDING COWARD.
No one should support this DYING Platform anymore...
RIP RH. You just PLAYED YOURSELVES...
Man is a SPINELESS KNEE BENDING COWARD.
No one should support this DYING Platform anymore...
RIP RH. You just PLAYED YOURSELVES...
sunkissedpapayas
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Wed, Jul 08I don't agree with threatening messages or anything like that. But I can understand people's frustrations with no advance notice or warning of this taking place. You just sign in and see it's changed.
Reminds me off places like Walmart, Kroger's and so on and their Digital pricing and everything, which the price can be changed on what you purchase before you reach the checkout counter to only check yourself out with a higher price. That's a reason I go find local farmers who sell stuff and purchase it from them now, especially stuff like meats and vegetables, or grow my own.
Now, moving forward what happens with people who've purchased things that have now been removed from the store and say their hard drive goes bad. Are they going to be able to re-download those files or is it going to be like, say Amazon and you purchase a movie through them while you have a membership, then say you cancel your membership so you lose the movie because cancelled your membership. They give you no way to download it and your only choice is to keep subscribing to them monthly to keep your movie.
What happens with purchases you made not realizing these changes were made and the items in your cart were on that list, are the sellers still getting their money for those products or is it just going to be money in the companies pocket? If the latter is what will happen then I won't support a place, a company or a website like that. That's another reason I keep receipts of my purchased items.
Reminds me off places like Walmart, Kroger's and so on and their Digital pricing and everything, which the price can be changed on what you purchase before you reach the checkout counter to only check yourself out with a higher price. That's a reason I go find local farmers who sell stuff and purchase it from them now, especially stuff like meats and vegetables, or grow my own.
Now, moving forward what happens with people who've purchased things that have now been removed from the store and say their hard drive goes bad. Are they going to be able to re-download those files or is it going to be like, say Amazon and you purchase a movie through them while you have a membership, then say you cancel your membership so you lose the movie because cancelled your membership. They give you no way to download it and your only choice is to keep subscribing to them monthly to keep your movie.
What happens with purchases you made not realizing these changes were made and the items in your cart were on that list, are the sellers still getting their money for those products or is it just going to be money in the companies pocket? If the latter is what will happen then I won't support a place, a company or a website like that. That's another reason I keep receipts of my purchased items.
Damn, not even a deadline or anything.? I don't normally buy adult products but that's got to suck for the vendors. Pretty sure some don't have everything backed up on another hard drive.
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Everyone has already stated how badly they dropped the ball on this, but I would like to point this out: There is zero mention of this in the blog section when there absolutely should be a post announcing this dramatic change.
It's something that affects all users on this site, even if they aren't NSFW artists/vendors. And anyone who never checks for forums (such as myself) would never know why tons of content had mysteriously vanished unless they bothered to look here or they heard it about it from someone else, which is seemingly how all of us found out.
The degrees of unprofessionalism on display from Renderhub regarding this policy change are almost staggering.
It's something that affects all users on this site, even if they aren't NSFW artists/vendors. And anyone who never checks for forums (such as myself) would never know why tons of content had mysteriously vanished unless they bothered to look here or they heard it about it from someone else, which is seemingly how all of us found out.
The degrees of unprofessionalism on display from Renderhub regarding this policy change are almost staggering.
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BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08BINGO! This why people are saying "THEY GOT THE CALL".
They are too scared of this whole DIGITAL ID LUNACY that is being pushed, and should know NO ONE is going to BEND THE KNEE to that.
Only if you are weak willed and spineless, like ION is.
And they can't use the bs argument, "It's to protect the chidren". Did they forget the kids can STILL FIND PORN on the web the FREE WAY?!
This is how DUMB this shit is...
They are too scared of this whole DIGITAL ID LUNACY that is being pushed, and should know NO ONE is going to BEND THE KNEE to that.
Only if you are weak willed and spineless, like ION is.
And they can't use the bs argument, "It's to protect the chidren". Did they forget the kids can STILL FIND PORN on the web the FREE WAY?!
This is how DUMB this shit is...
Helioxentric
Karma: 1,244
Wed, Jul 08As infuriating as this situation is I don't feel it is helpful, mature, or right to dog Ion like that. Especially if they actually are receiving death threats. That's just not cool.
BeastGohanofTruth
Karma: 244
Wed, Jul 08I understand that, but he's not owning up here and explaining.
You can't blame people for being angry. This is what they are doing. They are INTENTIONALLY trying to keep us divided.
It is more Divide et Impera Psyoptic BS.
You can't blame people for being angry. This is what they are doing. They are INTENTIONALLY trying to keep us divided.
It is more Divide et Impera Psyoptic BS.
Helioxentric
Karma: 1,244
Wed, Jul 08"I understand that, but he's not owning up here and explaining."
Probably because it's a very complicated and nuanced subject to navigate. Also Ion isn't the only person at Renderhub, and it's not entirely fair for him to have to own up or explain the rationale behind a difficult decision that multiple people had to weigh in on before carrying it out. He can certainly speak to his own opinions on it, but he shouldn't have to answer for the whole of Renderhub's management.
Probably because it's a very complicated and nuanced subject to navigate. Also Ion isn't the only person at Renderhub, and it's not entirely fair for him to have to own up or explain the rationale behind a difficult decision that multiple people had to weigh in on before carrying it out. He can certainly speak to his own opinions on it, but he shouldn't have to answer for the whole of Renderhub's management.
BeastGohanofTruth
Karma: 244
Wed, Jul 08Then THEY need to speak up about this, before this gets out of hand.
Already it's transpiring what the Corpos want: ANARCHY?!
They need to tell us the TRUTH on why they did this. I mean, anyone with any discernable logic can see, they did this, cause they got TOO AFRAID of losing their platform to DIgital ID, and they can't use the Protecting the Kids Bull.
Kids are STILL finding ways to look at porn the FREE and ILLEGAL way, so it has NOTHING to do with protecting them. It is just MORE CONTROL on the Human Creative Mind, and NO ONE, and I MEAN NO ONE wants that...
Already it's transpiring what the Corpos want: ANARCHY?!
They need to tell us the TRUTH on why they did this. I mean, anyone with any discernable logic can see, they did this, cause they got TOO AFRAID of losing their platform to DIgital ID, and they can't use the Protecting the Kids Bull.
Kids are STILL finding ways to look at porn the FREE and ILLEGAL way, so it has NOTHING to do with protecting them. It is just MORE CONTROL on the Human Creative Mind, and NO ONE, and I MEAN NO ONE wants that...
This change coming a week after the Sexy Robot Contest III closed is rich with irony as well.
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BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08Yep.
And there is still people posting FAR WORSE WEIRD SHIT on the market, than what they are trying to Censor here...
It is literally HYPOCRISY at its finest...
And there is still people posting FAR WORSE WEIRD SHIT on the market, than what they are trying to Censor here...
It is literally HYPOCRISY at its finest...
Splatterbaby
Karma: 9,808
Wed, Jul 08Yeah they screwed me on this one for sure. They added me to the adult category for no reason. Belonged in mature at best and wiped me out. The brightest minds at work here folks.
Folks, most of you don't know what it is to have a platform ( I assume ). This isn't a judgement on anyone who buys adult material. It isn't a judgement on anyone who produces adult material.
This is entirely a legal issue. There are some circumstances of which, if you aren't a platform owner, you are not aware. I've been a platform owner. I started that back in the '90s. My platform was specifically geared toward adult material and I ran afoul of the Yakuza in doing so. Those guys didn't scare me, but their lawyers did for a little while. I won that battle but it was expensive and ultimately it helped collapse a big payment processor at the time. Which is sad.
That is the cost of "standing your ground". If you don't know what you are talking about, I recommend you sit down, shut up, and listen and watch and learn.
What I'm saying is that you do not know the whole story. None of us does. I'm sure this wasn't done lightly. Save your anger for something that deserves it. And if it's that big a problem for you, I recommend you start your own platform and see how it goes. If you aren't willing to do that, stop the chops.
This is entirely a legal issue. There are some circumstances of which, if you aren't a platform owner, you are not aware. I've been a platform owner. I started that back in the '90s. My platform was specifically geared toward adult material and I ran afoul of the Yakuza in doing so. Those guys didn't scare me, but their lawyers did for a little while. I won that battle but it was expensive and ultimately it helped collapse a big payment processor at the time. Which is sad.
That is the cost of "standing your ground". If you don't know what you are talking about, I recommend you sit down, shut up, and listen and watch and learn.
What I'm saying is that you do not know the whole story. None of us does. I'm sure this wasn't done lightly. Save your anger for something that deserves it. And if it's that big a problem for you, I recommend you start your own platform and see how it goes. If you aren't willing to do that, stop the chops.
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BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08This is a BLATANT ATTACK on CREATIVITY, CAUSUM! I don't know why you are making Ad Hominum Arguments on this.
This is all to push their DIGITAL ID PRISON that NO ONE WANTS. EVEN YOU probably don't want it either.
Have we forgotten the whole Tumblrpocalypse of the early 2000s already? This is LITERALLY them doing this AGAIN. Same people, Same tactics, only adding this whole DIgital ID bs to it.
People who own platforms ARE taking a stand and not giving a FLYING F about what these Corpos say, cause we fire back by saying, "BRING IT. We will defend our GOD GIVEN RIGHTS of a Creative Mind, with our GOD GIVEN RIGHT to defend ourselves..."
THAT is how you start taking a stand....*mic drop*
This is all to push their DIGITAL ID PRISON that NO ONE WANTS. EVEN YOU probably don't want it either.
Have we forgotten the whole Tumblrpocalypse of the early 2000s already? This is LITERALLY them doing this AGAIN. Same people, Same tactics, only adding this whole DIgital ID bs to it.
People who own platforms ARE taking a stand and not giving a FLYING F about what these Corpos say, cause we fire back by saying, "BRING IT. We will defend our GOD GIVEN RIGHTS of a Creative Mind, with our GOD GIVEN RIGHT to defend ourselves..."
THAT is how you start taking a stand....*mic drop*
XavierMalcolm
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Wed, Jul 08We don't need this dismissive type of retort here, it's nonsense.
The criticism is not exclusively of the decision, as you can easily tell from reading this thread.
Most of it is directed at the lack of notice and lack of opportunity for sellers to prepare themselves for this change.
It's common courtesy when doing business to give people at least some warning or notice before you destroy possibly thousands of hours of time they've invested possibly over several years.
To just put this down to being a "platform owner" is absolute nonsense.
Courtesy goes a long way. As someone that also runs a business I am fully aware of the challenges one can face, however, you don't treat people like garbage even when the decision you are about to make is extremely detrimental to them. You must at least try to cushion the blow. Renderhub seems to have a nasty habit of never even attempting to offer any sort of courtesy whatsoever.
It's beyond unprofessional to say the very least.
The criticism is not exclusively of the decision, as you can easily tell from reading this thread.
Most of it is directed at the lack of notice and lack of opportunity for sellers to prepare themselves for this change.
It's common courtesy when doing business to give people at least some warning or notice before you destroy possibly thousands of hours of time they've invested possibly over several years.
To just put this down to being a "platform owner" is absolute nonsense.
Courtesy goes a long way. As someone that also runs a business I am fully aware of the challenges one can face, however, you don't treat people like garbage even when the decision you are about to make is extremely detrimental to them. You must at least try to cushion the blow. Renderhub seems to have a nasty habit of never even attempting to offer any sort of courtesy whatsoever.
It's beyond unprofessional to say the very least.
Causam3D
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Wed, Jul 08Hang on there, Xavier.
I don't know what kind of business you run, but if you were running a platform of this type, you would know that you are sometimes put into a compromising position by a jerk.
There is a jerk with a capital "J" involved in this. That's all I can say. And it isn't Ion. I'm trying to get people to consider cutting RH some slack exactly BECAUSE this was so sudden.
Believe me, I've been super critical of RH and of Ion at times. My sales are in the toilet. And they will go down further because of this, at least temporarily.
Now, having said all of that, let me say that everyone who has some adult products taken down, whether it be few or many WAIT FOR IT. Good things are on the way. That's all I can say there. Be a little patient and in the meantime, adapt what you have and try resubmitting it. I think all of you know that I am very good at skirting the ratings and I am more than happy to help you out with that part of it. Just PM me, I'll be happy to help in any way I can.
Don't get your twirlers in a bend.
I don't know what kind of business you run, but if you were running a platform of this type, you would know that you are sometimes put into a compromising position by a jerk.
There is a jerk with a capital "J" involved in this. That's all I can say. And it isn't Ion. I'm trying to get people to consider cutting RH some slack exactly BECAUSE this was so sudden.
Believe me, I've been super critical of RH and of Ion at times. My sales are in the toilet. And they will go down further because of this, at least temporarily.
Now, having said all of that, let me say that everyone who has some adult products taken down, whether it be few or many WAIT FOR IT. Good things are on the way. That's all I can say there. Be a little patient and in the meantime, adapt what you have and try resubmitting it. I think all of you know that I am very good at skirting the ratings and I am more than happy to help you out with that part of it. Just PM me, I'll be happy to help in any way I can.
Don't get your twirlers in a bend.
VincentBlackwood
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Wed, Jul 08I think most people suspect that their hand was somehow forced in this, the two problems however:
1. Literally no advance warning. None. Zero. Even if this had to be done at short notice, I do not believe there was no room for ANY advance warning for people to react.
2. This statement is terrible and should state who forced this, because unless it's some kind of literal mafia, they have every right to say it out loud (I'm pretty sure free speech is still a thing even in the US), rather than pretend that this is some genius masterplan they've had.
If this was just another obvious case of "some deranged cult or another forced pAyMeNt pRoCeSsOrS to enact the 18th century again" I think most people would understand, but the way they handled this is quite pathetic - not even a proper announcement, just a forum post.
1. Literally no advance warning. None. Zero. Even if this had to be done at short notice, I do not believe there was no room for ANY advance warning for people to react.
2. This statement is terrible and should state who forced this, because unless it's some kind of literal mafia, they have every right to say it out loud (I'm pretty sure free speech is still a thing even in the US), rather than pretend that this is some genius masterplan they've had.
If this was just another obvious case of "some deranged cult or another forced pAyMeNt pRoCeSsOrS to enact the 18th century again" I think most people would understand, but the way they handled this is quite pathetic - not even a proper announcement, just a forum post.
Causam3D
Karma: 32,330
Wed, Jul 08You're misunderstanding my comments.
Suit yourself though. I've been there, I know it's annoying. I'm there now. I lost something like 20 products from store availability. 19. Something like that. So don't think you're talking to someone who doesn't have any skin in this game.
You think the statement is "terrible" and I should state who forced this? What are you, Interpol? The FBI?
I've been nice. Don't push it. You don't have that much sun screen.
Suit yourself though. I've been there, I know it's annoying. I'm there now. I lost something like 20 products from store availability. 19. Something like that. So don't think you're talking to someone who doesn't have any skin in this game.
You think the statement is "terrible" and I should state who forced this? What are you, Interpol? The FBI?
I've been nice. Don't push it. You don't have that much sun screen.
VincentBlackwood
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Thu, Jul 09lol yes, I need to be Interpol to expect a business to treat its customers half-decently
Great attitude, I'm sure it's gonna win you a lot of favours, I don't know who you are and don't care. Have a nice day.
Great attitude, I'm sure it's gonna win you a lot of favours, I don't know who you are and don't care. Have a nice day.
From a Spanish perspective, I see that almost all payment platforms are US-based, and the way they're using these platforms... they know they have all the power. We should explore other payment methods.
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BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08There are others, that are more EU based, like EPOCH, but as @dreamlight has stated, they are HORRENDOUS in pricing.
Everyone should know by now, that EU is the PORN CAPITAL of the world. You won't see them getting rid of that anytime soon.
HRPs exist in the EU area, but they are higher priced.
The ones in US Based, as you said, are cheaper, but they are now being used by these ZIONISTS who are trying to dictate what we can or can't do in our daily lives, ie 1984 ideology...
Everyone should know by now, that EU is the PORN CAPITAL of the world. You won't see them getting rid of that anytime soon.
HRPs exist in the EU area, but they are higher priced.
The ones in US Based, as you said, are cheaper, but they are now being used by these ZIONISTS who are trying to dictate what we can or can't do in our daily lives, ie 1984 ideology...
Well, seems that's the end of adult daz content as I know no other alternatives.
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PasahRi
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Wed, Jul 08What about 'rotica? Hard stuff, I know ... but there a many nice people there, too
BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08There is also Slushe. From what I heard, they are bouncing back as well with new management and actually addressing the Iseue with the site.
Godless8
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Wed, Jul 08@PasahRi doesn't sell right now either.
@BeastGohanofTruth Slushe sells comics, not content.
@BeastGohanofTruth Slushe sells comics, not content.
VincentBlackwood
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Wed, Jul 08DA is solid, though explicit stuff needs to behind a paywall (mine is set as minimum as I can), but it's seriously *explicit* stuff only - I'd classify most of my renders as adult content and I have 95% of them there with a simple Mature tag with no problems at all. It's not a perfect site by any means, but from my 2 years or so of experience so far, it's done the most to win at least some trust from me.
Pushee-Ri
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Wed, Jul 08@Godless8
That's right - but as Pushee-Ri im quite active at cgbytes ... and hopefully soon at 'rotica too. A project to test the new 'rotica arrangements is on it's way ...
That's right - but as Pushee-Ri im quite active at cgbytes ... and hopefully soon at 'rotica too. A project to test the new 'rotica arrangements is on it's way ...
BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08@Godless - Atm they aren't but they might be linking Affect3D to it and actually start selling assets like Renderotica does...
It's still in the works...
It's still in the works...
BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08@Vincent - I left DA cause of all the AMOUNT of AI GARBAGE everywhere, and I couldn't stand it any longer.
I'm sure it's STILl running amok unabated over there.
Unless they started doing some major pushback since I left...
I'm sure it's STILl running amok unabated over there.
Unless they started doing some major pushback since I left...
VincentBlackwood
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Thu, Jul 09@Gohan: I have it set to "suppress AI" and the filter works fine, I've seen AI despite it maybe a couple of times.
dirtrider00
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Thu, Jul 09@Godless8- Could you not, and that includes other adult vendors, repurpose some of your content. I had planned on grabbing your weights and poses set but instead of adult poses, go more of the fitness trainer route? Maybe alittle flirty, seductive but non adult poses. Also think if you changed some of the promo's, your haunted mansion? could probably pass the adult test.
I've bought quite a bit of adult content over the years, not always because the products were in the adult category, but simply because they have props and such that I wasn't able to find in the regular market places.
I've bought quite a bit of adult content over the years, not always because the products were in the adult category, but simply because they have props and such that I wasn't able to find in the regular market places.
Someone mentioned in another forum (sorry, I didn't bookmark it) that when Civitai came under fire, they simply spun off a new site called "Civitai Red" (or something similar) and sold tokens that could be used on either site.
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Luxe Muse
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Thu, Jul 09That’s a good idea, @Bobb. I don’t know anything about crypto things, but I’ll learn if it means helping the good people here who are being displaced and giving a middle finger to the payment processors.
@RenderHub
"We know not everyone will agree with this decision, and we respect that. Our responsibility is to make the choices we believe will best position RenderHub for long-term success and ensure that the platform continues to grow for years to come."
RenderHub could have let vendors know but that would have allowed them to find other storefronts or repackage some of their products in a SFW way.
We can't have that now can we. RenderHub's posts are nebulous and imprecise for obvious reasons.
The "It had to be done" issue is what?
It had to be done - for payment processing? It had to be done - to 'grow' the site? It had to be done - to keep the vendors with adult content in the dark and not flee the site?
It's your site RenderHub, well until it becomes a 404 Page Not Found.
"We know not everyone will agree with this decision, and we respect that. Our responsibility is to make the choices we believe will best position RenderHub for long-term success and ensure that the platform continues to grow for years to come."
RenderHub could have let vendors know but that would have allowed them to find other storefronts or repackage some of their products in a SFW way.
We can't have that now can we. RenderHub's posts are nebulous and imprecise for obvious reasons.
The "It had to be done" issue is what?
It had to be done - for payment processing? It had to be done - to 'grow' the site? It had to be done - to keep the vendors with adult content in the dark and not flee the site?
It's your site RenderHub, well until it becomes a 404 Page Not Found.
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KingNothing343
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Wed, Jul 08"It's your site RenderHub, well until it becomes a 404 Page Not Found."
Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but just in case we better backing up all our purchases/products.
Hopefully it doesn't come to that, but just in case we better backing up all our purchases/products.
jmper
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Wed, Jul 08I already have, learned that from Content Paradise and PoserPros and RDNA and YURdigital..and more I cannot remember now (lol).
You people put my Image "charging " into the adult category for sexy robot comp. I followed your rules and it clearly belongs in the mature gallery. I followed your guidelines completely. There is no nudity, not penetration no nothing to indicate she is getting wrecked but you kinda daz,ed me on this huh. This entire decision is stupid. Your killing creativity for many here.
Anyway you've knocked me out of the competition because you put a mature image in the adult category . Brilliant minds you lot huh I was enjoying how free this place was. Finally a creative place for creative people. Why do you allow the suites to make these ultimately destroying decisions .... I'm out
Anyway you've knocked me out of the competition because you put a mature image in the adult category . Brilliant minds you lot huh
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SkittyM
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Wed, Jul 08Im glad this is shifting into light. I want to give benefit of the doubt and that admins can still see those images and consider them but its a really bad look to sabotage your own contest like this.
May as well chime in.
This is where a little transparency and communication could have come in handy. One of RH's prominent features is its community. I think laying out the situation and the options to everyone would have led to a different reaction, even if the decisions ended up being the same. "Here's what's going on, here's what we can do."
And the relative silence post-announcement hasn't helped things either. The "The porn's gone bye-bye, thank you for your attention this matter," packaged in a boilerplate statement followed by radio silence isn't exactly helping matters, especially for those significantly affected.
And chances are, most people didn't find out about this change from this announcement.
This is where a little transparency and communication could have come in handy. One of RH's prominent features is its community. I think laying out the situation and the options to everyone would have led to a different reaction, even if the decisions ended up being the same. "Here's what's going on, here's what we can do."
And the relative silence post-announcement hasn't helped things either. The "The porn's gone bye-bye, thank you for your attention this matter," packaged in a boilerplate statement followed by radio silence isn't exactly helping matters, especially for those significantly affected.
And chances are, most people didn't find out about this change from this announcement.
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jmper
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Wed, Jul 08Totally agree, there would be less of a fire if there was more transparency and communication. It is amazing that the original post reads as if crafted and passed through management hands and probably AI yet still reads horribly At least when HAL9000 locked Dave out of the airlock HAL9000 explained why he did it.
diogenese19348
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Wed, Jul 08"Look Dave, I can see you're really upset about this. I honestly think you ought to sit down calmly, take a stress pill, and think things over. I know I've made some very poor decisions recently, but I can give you my complete assurance that my work will be back to normal. I've still got the greatest enthusiasm and confidence in the mission. And I want to help you. " -HAL 9000
That could be used here...
That could be used here...
I think this will blow back on the site in terms of views and sales. The prices here are higher here than other other places, and this restriction will simply cause people to look elsewhere
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why the hell did you also remove the Image to Genesis 8/9 Pose Generator AI app? In which world is that adult?
https://www.renderhub.com/laurendev/image-to-genesis-8-9-pose-generator
https://www.renderhub.com/laurendev/image-to-genesis-8-9-pose-generator
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Wolf007
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Wed, Jul 08From what others have pointed, the dev is offering updates, for those that purchased here, in Discord.
diogenese19348
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Wed, Jul 08Yes, updates are being handled on Discord, I've gotten version 2.0 which is what is going to be at DAZ. If you bought the product either here or on Patreon it will be updated. There's also some other announcements on the Discord site that are interesting. I strongly suggest joining there.
stger
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Wed, Jul 08lol, I just started again the app. there is a popup with that news moving to DAZ and also the Discord link ^.^
"Adult artists have been a valued part of the RenderHub community, and we appreciate the work, creativity, and business they have brought to the platform."
Valued? Your actions say the opposite, especially since you have removed vendors' products without warning.
Valued? Your actions say the opposite, especially since you have removed vendors' products without warning.
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The only reason I'm aware is that I was uploading an image that I was going to mark as Mature, as I'd rather be safe for people who don't want to see it, only to see that option greyed out.
Finding out that vendors that generate income for this site had the same notice I did is beyond infuriating.
As has been said repeatedly, lack of communication is a far greater problem than the actual removal. Vendors should have known 30 days, minimum, before seeing their products removed. Buyers should have had 30 days warning to buy it now before it's gone forever.
If you are willing to do this with no warning, you're willing to do anything with no warning, and that instability does not foster trust.
Finding out that vendors that generate income for this site had the same notice I did is beyond infuriating.
As has been said repeatedly, lack of communication is a far greater problem than the actual removal. Vendors should have known 30 days, minimum, before seeing their products removed. Buyers should have had 30 days warning to buy it now before it's gone forever.
If you are willing to do this with no warning, you're willing to do anything with no warning, and that instability does not foster trust.
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XavierMalcolm
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Wed, Jul 08Spot on.
Amazingly poor handling on so many levels.
Strange that they would miss a chance to cash in on the fees they would have earned from buyers likely opting to purchase items in their wishlists that would be have been disappearing after a short period of notice.
It's almost like the people running the website are operating under some sort of serious duress, they keep rushing into these changes. It makes me think the website is literally days or weeks away from going offline. Such is the bizarre and hurried nature of the changes they've been making over the last month or two.
Amazingly poor handling on so many levels.
Strange that they would miss a chance to cash in on the fees they would have earned from buyers likely opting to purchase items in their wishlists that would be have been disappearing after a short period of notice.
It's almost like the people running the website are operating under some sort of serious duress, they keep rushing into these changes. It makes me think the website is literally days or weeks away from going offline. Such is the bizarre and hurried nature of the changes they've been making over the last month or two.
All this is a very old question. I found this article translated from Italian to French and to English :
Walking into a museum and coming face-to-face with a nude figure no longer scandalizes anyone. On the contrary: the naked body, celebrated for centuries, lies at the very heart of art history. Yet, shift a single detail-making the image more explicit, more direct, closer to the language of pornography-and suddenly, the wall of censorship rises. Why do we accept a Renaissance Venus or a Mapplethorpe photograph without batting an eye, yet react with annoyance or rejection to a performance piece depicting actual sexual acts? This is no trivial question. It touches not only on our relationship with art but also on the fine line separating the aesthetic from the pornographic, the "noble" from the "obscene," and the acceptable from the forbidden.
For centuries, the naked body has been exalted-from Greek marble statues and Titian's paintings to the works of Egon Schiele. Yet, the distinction between "artistic nude" and "obscenity" remains a minefield. Botticelli's *Venus* can be displayed in schools, whereas a contemporary photograph showing close-ups of genitals risks being hidden on social media or banned from exhibition. And therein lies the contradiction: is it truly just a matter of content? Or does context matter? If the same image appears in a museum, it is art; if it circulates online, it is pornography. It is not the body that changes; it is us.
This distinction is often left to institutions, curators, ethics committees, or even the algorithms of digital platforms. The result is that arbitrary criteria determine what deserves a place in the cultural sphere and what does not. Images we admire in museums today were once accused of indecency. One need only recall the case of Courbet and his *The Origin of the World*: a work that was hidden from public view in the 19th century and that, even today, is automatically censored when it appears on social media. The scandal, therefore, is not inherent to the work itself; it lies in the system that views it.
Many contemporary artists have chosen to cross that boundary. Some work with pornographic actors, others stage actual sexual acts, and still others play with the aesthetics of adult films to interrogate desire, power, and commodification. In these instances, pornography is not merely a "theme" but a language-a way of breaking down the barrier between what can be shown and what cannot. Yet, why are some works exhibited in galleries while others are dismissed as "unworthy"? Could it be that the true difference lies not in the images themselves, but in our willingness to look at them?
We live in a hyper-sexualized society, bombarded daily by erotic imagery in advertising, cinema, and television. However, when sexuality enters the museum space, caution prevails. While marketing can exploit semi-nude bodies to sell perfumes or cars, art is still required to justify itself-a contradiction that reeks of hypocrisy. Moreover, censorship is never neutral; it primarily targets bodies deemed "unsettling": explicit female bodies, queer bodies, and non-conforming bodies. What disturbs is not merely the nudity, but its capacity to challenge dominant paradigms of desire.
When a museum exhibits an explicit work, it makes not only an aesthetic choice but a political one. It chooses to acknowledge sex as possessing cultural dignity, rescuing it from the exclusive realm of pornography. Conversely, by censoring it, the museum reinforces the taboo. The question, then, is no longer whether the work constitutes art or pornography, but whether the museum has the courage to rise to the challenge. It is easier to take refuge behind notions of "good taste" or "decorum," yet that is precisely where it is decided whether art remains alive or merely offers reassurance.
Federica Schneck
Walking into a museum and coming face-to-face with a nude figure no longer scandalizes anyone. On the contrary: the naked body, celebrated for centuries, lies at the very heart of art history. Yet, shift a single detail-making the image more explicit, more direct, closer to the language of pornography-and suddenly, the wall of censorship rises. Why do we accept a Renaissance Venus or a Mapplethorpe photograph without batting an eye, yet react with annoyance or rejection to a performance piece depicting actual sexual acts? This is no trivial question. It touches not only on our relationship with art but also on the fine line separating the aesthetic from the pornographic, the "noble" from the "obscene," and the acceptable from the forbidden.
For centuries, the naked body has been exalted-from Greek marble statues and Titian's paintings to the works of Egon Schiele. Yet, the distinction between "artistic nude" and "obscenity" remains a minefield. Botticelli's *Venus* can be displayed in schools, whereas a contemporary photograph showing close-ups of genitals risks being hidden on social media or banned from exhibition. And therein lies the contradiction: is it truly just a matter of content? Or does context matter? If the same image appears in a museum, it is art; if it circulates online, it is pornography. It is not the body that changes; it is us.
This distinction is often left to institutions, curators, ethics committees, or even the algorithms of digital platforms. The result is that arbitrary criteria determine what deserves a place in the cultural sphere and what does not. Images we admire in museums today were once accused of indecency. One need only recall the case of Courbet and his *The Origin of the World*: a work that was hidden from public view in the 19th century and that, even today, is automatically censored when it appears on social media. The scandal, therefore, is not inherent to the work itself; it lies in the system that views it.
Many contemporary artists have chosen to cross that boundary. Some work with pornographic actors, others stage actual sexual acts, and still others play with the aesthetics of adult films to interrogate desire, power, and commodification. In these instances, pornography is not merely a "theme" but a language-a way of breaking down the barrier between what can be shown and what cannot. Yet, why are some works exhibited in galleries while others are dismissed as "unworthy"? Could it be that the true difference lies not in the images themselves, but in our willingness to look at them?
We live in a hyper-sexualized society, bombarded daily by erotic imagery in advertising, cinema, and television. However, when sexuality enters the museum space, caution prevails. While marketing can exploit semi-nude bodies to sell perfumes or cars, art is still required to justify itself-a contradiction that reeks of hypocrisy. Moreover, censorship is never neutral; it primarily targets bodies deemed "unsettling": explicit female bodies, queer bodies, and non-conforming bodies. What disturbs is not merely the nudity, but its capacity to challenge dominant paradigms of desire.
When a museum exhibits an explicit work, it makes not only an aesthetic choice but a political one. It chooses to acknowledge sex as possessing cultural dignity, rescuing it from the exclusive realm of pornography. Conversely, by censoring it, the museum reinforces the taboo. The question, then, is no longer whether the work constitutes art or pornography, but whether the museum has the courage to rise to the challenge. It is easier to take refuge behind notions of "good taste" or "decorum," yet that is precisely where it is decided whether art remains alive or merely offers reassurance.
Federica Schneck
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"Adult artists have been a valued part of the RenderHub community, and we appreciate the work, creativity, and business they have brought to the platform. We understand this is disappointing and disruptive for some vendors and customers, especially those who have spent years building their stores, libraries, and audiences here."
Let that sink in...
They appreciate the work, creativity, and business the content creators brought to the platform.
So much so they didn't even have the decency to tell anyone, just remove everything and then tell everyone, No time for these creators to reach out to their customers, to set up alternate sites to sell their wares, Now thats what i call appreciation.
what a slap, no baseball bat to the face.
Do you think you still want to trade here? when your stuff could be gone without warning... hmm
Let that sink in...
They appreciate the work, creativity, and business the content creators brought to the platform.
So much so they didn't even have the decency to tell anyone, just remove everything and then tell everyone, No time for these creators to reach out to their customers, to set up alternate sites to sell their wares, Now thats what i call appreciation.
what a slap, no baseball bat to the face.
Do you think you still want to trade here? when your stuff could be gone without warning... hmm
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jmper
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Wed, Jul 08I wonder if the person(s) who run this site (I honestly don't know or care and certainly do not want to meet them at the official meetup) is pointing at their monitor saying "This is what my Marketing Class talked about with product engagement!".
Actually, I take it back. If I did know who ran this site then I would avoid any site they start or run like the plague.
Actually, I take it back. If I did know who ran this site then I would avoid any site they start or run like the plague.
shedofjoy
Karma: 1,413
Thu, Jul 09Sadly this attitude of "screw the people" is becoming the norm in many industries, look at the price of computer parts, Kids being banned from the internet (in the UK) just so the Gov can force digital id's on everyone, and we don't want it. Its about time we stopped buying into all this crap and stopped supporting any companies etc that takes this attitude.
I will be contacting people who have created content that is on my wishlist to find out where else i can buy it, as Renderhub does NOT support its creators at all, they have shown that, and if thats the case you can bet they dont give a shit about the customers either.
I will be contacting people who have created content that is on my wishlist to find out where else i can buy it, as Renderhub does NOT support its creators at all, they have shown that, and if thats the case you can bet they dont give a shit about the customers either.
Payment processors strike again. So what counts as adult content now?
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Hellcat
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Wed, Jul 08I doubt it's the payment processors. The pattern suggests the site is being sold off to a new (and prudish) owner.
BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08@hellcat - and it won't stay afloat. give it 6 months tops, and you will see a 404 Page Not Found situation happen to this platform...
Kepthorn
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Wed, Jul 08Do we even know it's payment processors? It's a good excuse, and it might be, but nothing in this blog post suggests this was a hard decision for them, or that their hands were "tied."
Way to go. More censorship. Well, no reason for me to come here anymore. Really pathetic.
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I don't do adult content or consume it, but not even I see this as a good thing, RH. I'm sorry.
To all the nice folks around who I had the pleasure of talking to during my short time here, I'm sorry this is happening to you. This is exactly what I meant when I raised my voice against censorship of any kind.
To all the nice folks around who I had the pleasure of talking to during my short time here, I'm sorry this is happening to you. This is exactly what I meant when I raised my voice against censorship of any kind.
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This thread has exploded, and rightly so - it's a big step for Renderhub and a step back for a lot of artists who have migrated here for myriad reasons. Much has changed since I first came here looking for textures, most of it positive. Talented artists, excellent products with the usual lessors expected of a broad-based venue. How the removal of adult content will play out financially for the site is not my purview, but the negative impact on some content creators could be devastating.
My drifting into adult content has been largely on account of the intertest demonstrated here for such work. Character and pose testing has become sort of my gig, as I enjoy highlighting products with passion for tastefully realistic detail. Many post-apocolyptic, fantasy and historical scenes sit in cache on account of it. Now I suppose they'll have their chance for completion and exposure.
So what does this change encompass? An end to 'plunging organ' products and postings, or artistic pinups and romantic, softly intimate products and scenes as well? I can adapt, but a lot of talented creators - you now who you are and that you'll be missed if you leave - will find the loss of revenue a far harder pill to swallow than a change in posting themes. I knew something was up when I couldn't access products in my cart. Now i know at least the root cause of it...
My drifting into adult content has been largely on account of the intertest demonstrated here for such work. Character and pose testing has become sort of my gig, as I enjoy highlighting products with passion for tastefully realistic detail. Many post-apocolyptic, fantasy and historical scenes sit in cache on account of it. Now I suppose they'll have their chance for completion and exposure.
So what does this change encompass? An end to 'plunging organ' products and postings, or artistic pinups and romantic, softly intimate products and scenes as well? I can adapt, but a lot of talented creators - you now who you are and that you'll be missed if you leave - will find the loss of revenue a far harder pill to swallow than a change in posting themes. I knew something was up when I couldn't access products in my cart. Now i know at least the root cause of it...
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https://www.renderhub.com/info/investor-relations
Your graphs are going to look different in the future.
Your graphs are going to look different in the future.
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I had a feeling this would happen. RenderHub seemed to good to be true. Sleek, structured... with an adult section that felt a bit latched on. That's why I wanted to wait a bit before submitting content here.
Trust? How are we supposed to trust you if this is how you treat your vendors? From what I hear, none of them got any warning. For the long-term future of RenderHub. What about their long-term future? Where are they supposed to go? I have a few friends here. They've been thoroughly disrespected.
Clearly there's more going on behind the scenes.
Stop this BS, please.
What about principle? It is probably people with a 'principle' that forced you to do this, and so you show that you don't have principles of your own.
It's just business, right?
But we, the little people, do have principles, that of free speech, that of hard work.
We, the little people, get cast aside now that we've helped you make money.
We, who work on old gear, since we cannot make enough money because you cannot be bothered to provide a stable foundation for us.
We the little people, providing lovely smutt for those that openly chastize us, but secretly pirate our stuff anyway.
We don't enjoy their protection, or yours... it now seems.
We know how this works, the pious hypocrisy. And you're supporting it by giving in.
It's cowardly and dissappointing.
So many of you companies are unwilling to stand for us. So once again, we have to stand for ourselves and go find another home, in the unsafe and unstable recesses of the internet. Our followers will follow us there, and probably end up downloading a virus and get their computer destroyed, because you cant to help make the internet 'safer', right?
We don't get a chance to grow, because we're constantly pushed off to some other place, because you chicken shits cannot be bothered to stand for us.
And there's wasted potential here. We erotica artists have to get extremely creative and resourceful to keep going. We're resilient as hell. That experience alone might be of value... if only you could see past the immature attitudes.
We think outside the box. We have courage. We have to get very creative.
Yet everyone is either scared, or just focused on money, even if half of it came from our talent.
Not much business in erotica? Bullshit. One of the most important mechanisms of our survival as a species is just a side-note? We humans with oversized genitalia, unecessarily big boobs, and a history of erotic scupture and even starting wars over 'love'. My ass.
Maybe there's not much business at the moment, because we're all spread out, dispersed, running, hiding even. We have no home, and you're just making it worse.
Safety for the kids? Cut the BS. The protected kids of today are the sexually frustrated adults of tomorrow. Those kids are probably on VPNs finding a way to DL porn anyway. Did you forget what life was like as a teenager? Come on.
Shame.
I have a whole series of Poser and DAZ products coming up:
Those were destined to get sold here.
Not anymore.
Trust? How are we supposed to trust you if this is how you treat your vendors? From what I hear, none of them got any warning. For the long-term future of RenderHub. What about their long-term future? Where are they supposed to go? I have a few friends here. They've been thoroughly disrespected.
Clearly there's more going on behind the scenes.
Stop this BS, please.
What about principle? It is probably people with a 'principle' that forced you to do this, and so you show that you don't have principles of your own.
It's just business, right?
But we, the little people, do have principles, that of free speech, that of hard work.
We, the little people, get cast aside now that we've helped you make money.
We, who work on old gear, since we cannot make enough money because you cannot be bothered to provide a stable foundation for us.
We the little people, providing lovely smutt for those that openly chastize us, but secretly pirate our stuff anyway.
We don't enjoy their protection, or yours... it now seems.
We know how this works, the pious hypocrisy. And you're supporting it by giving in.
It's cowardly and dissappointing.
So many of you companies are unwilling to stand for us. So once again, we have to stand for ourselves and go find another home, in the unsafe and unstable recesses of the internet. Our followers will follow us there, and probably end up downloading a virus and get their computer destroyed, because you cant to help make the internet 'safer', right?
We don't get a chance to grow, because we're constantly pushed off to some other place, because you chicken shits cannot be bothered to stand for us.
And there's wasted potential here. We erotica artists have to get extremely creative and resourceful to keep going. We're resilient as hell. That experience alone might be of value... if only you could see past the immature attitudes.
We think outside the box. We have courage. We have to get very creative.
Yet everyone is either scared, or just focused on money, even if half of it came from our talent.
Not much business in erotica? Bullshit. One of the most important mechanisms of our survival as a species is just a side-note? We humans with oversized genitalia, unecessarily big boobs, and a history of erotic scupture and even starting wars over 'love'. My ass.
Maybe there's not much business at the moment, because we're all spread out, dispersed, running, hiding even. We have no home, and you're just making it worse.
Safety for the kids? Cut the BS. The protected kids of today are the sexually frustrated adults of tomorrow. Those kids are probably on VPNs finding a way to DL porn anyway. Did you forget what life was like as a teenager? Come on.
Shame.
I have a whole series of Poser and DAZ products coming up:
- Space ships
- control panels
- vintage domestic stuff, like a record playes, VHS recorder etc
- African Safari stuff
- detailed furniture
- Fantasy weapons
- etc...
Those were destined to get sold here.
Not anymore.
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jmper
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Wed, Jul 08Wow. #1 Huge respect for your creativity...I own many of your products from (the other place), #2 Very well written, not that I expected any less, #3 Agree, this place burned you and other adult vendors by profiting off your products then cutting ties without any notice.
Eltuco
Karma: 14,999
Thu, Jul 09Tell us where these goodies are headed, ero. Looks like the sort of props we could use and enjoy. Furniture, vintage props, fantasy weapons, spaceships? What's not to like
shedofjoy
Karma: 1,413
Thu, Jul 09I would really like all creators to maybe to make images/ adverts of their products showing where they can be acquired, on art sites like DA etc, as i for one haunt DA (even though it is not as good as it should be) but i watch vendors like erogenesis and have their products too, and would like to know when items that i might be interested in are and when they come out.
erogenesis
Karma: 433
Thu, Jul 09Thanks guys! For the moment I'm still based @ rotica but I will be selling content @ Deviant Art towards the end of the year. IDK if I'm allowed to link to my profile there, but I should be easy to find: erogenesisCGI basically
Now more than ever, we need more choices for where to do business. Hopefully Renerotica (in some form) can be revitalized.
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You guys need to be 100% transparent and honest with us, this is too vague and you should explain more on why such choices were decided.
You can't give us a simplified explanation for something this important, because it feels like you guys are not giving us the full picture here.
You can't give us a simplified explanation for something this important, because it feels like you guys are not giving us the full picture here.
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The real answer is a liability issue that's the truth, they don't have the man power to police up after their content so the ones with the most liability got removed.. this is why the site is FULL of pirated shit and they don't seem to care at all Bec the chances of a lawsuit over these things is limited at best so they will continue to sell pirated crap with no ramifications.
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BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08It literally shouldn't be allowed at all.
If you pirate stuff, you don't resell it.
And they wonder why they got themselves into this predicament. Well...you are allowing people on as vendors who are literally RESELLING assets that is NOT THEIR OWN...that's a HUGE RED FLAG right there...
If you pirate stuff, you don't resell it.
And they wonder why they got themselves into this predicament. Well...you are allowing people on as vendors who are literally RESELLING assets that is NOT THEIR OWN...that's a HUGE RED FLAG right there...
SnarlTheWerewolf
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Wed, Jul 08For real. Half the content on this store started life either here:
https://open3dlab.com/
And it started there for free, and then it gets rigged, repackaged, and sold here for money.
https://open3dlab.com/
And it started there for free, and then it gets rigged, repackaged, and sold here for money.
BeastGohanofTruth
Karma: 244
Wed, Jul 08@snarl - these types of people are what is making pirating hated.
Unless YOU are only using it FOR YOURSELF, you shouldn't be RESELLING it as a new item.
Yes I know there is some leeway in certain areas, like 3D printing. But this sort of reusing Pirated Assets, shouldn't be allowed.
All you are doing, is giving more ammo to corpos...
Unless YOU are only using it FOR YOURSELF, you shouldn't be RESELLING it as a new item.
Yes I know there is some leeway in certain areas, like 3D printing. But this sort of reusing Pirated Assets, shouldn't be allowed.
All you are doing, is giving more ammo to corpos...
SnarlTheWerewolf
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Wed, Jul 08I agree. I'm just pointing out that most of the content here is just rehashed rips from Open3dlab. You can pay someone here for it, or just source it form the same place they do \_()_/
BeastGohanofTruth
Karma: 244
Wed, Jul 08Oh I gotcha.
But yeah, I agree. This and borderline assets that look too much like literal Child Porn, isn't helping this platform at all.
I mean some people say there isnt, but there was some on here that literally could be debatable...
But yeah, I agree. This and borderline assets that look too much like literal Child Porn, isn't helping this platform at all.
I mean some people say there isnt, but there was some on here that literally could be debatable...
Luxe Muse
Karma: 8,873
Wed, Jul 08Well... I hate piracy, regardless of whether it's being resold or given away for free. Maybe because it takes me almost forever to make a product, only for it to then be pirated? It's a real punch to the gut when a customer messages me saying X or Y is up on this site for free.
It sounds like we need to start a class-action lawsuit.
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BeastGohanofTruth
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Wed, Jul 08Give it time, it may happen.
And won't be the first one either. Already lawsuits and arbitrations ongoing against Steam for exmaple, doing the same thing in a way, but their situation is FAR FAR worse than RHs.
But give it time...this shouldn't be tolerated by anyone...
And won't be the first one either. Already lawsuits and arbitrations ongoing against Steam for exmaple, doing the same thing in a way, but their situation is FAR FAR worse than RHs.
But give it time...this shouldn't be tolerated by anyone...
PSDCIPI
Karma: 112
Wed, Jul 08I'm with you, bec all the products we bought will no longer be supported!
TheDevian
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Wed, Jul 08Almost all of our sales are from the adult content, almost no one buys the other stuff.
It's the time for me to start pcking, everything is on sale on my store.
Store closing soon.
Store closing soon.
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It’s my fault for making my gallery above mature just for my artwork. I was trying to be proactive for stuff that was racier. Meh.
Now it’s gone. Sad days.
Now it’s gone. Sad days.
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This is one of the worst and most disrespectful, dishonest and frankly appalling way I have ever seen a platform treat their vendors and customers alike. Remember that YOU (and I mean the communal pronoun for the people in charge of this platform) would not exist without US, the creators who invest countless hours into our products, and customers, who open their wallets and pay for quality content. Without US, you have nothing You ARE nothing.
You would do well to remember this when your platform is no more.
A thirty days notice AT MINIMUM would have been required. There is no excuse for this kind of deceitful behavior. I don't know enough about US law to know if it's criminal or not, but even if you don't have a legal duty to forewarn your vendors, you definitely had a MORAL duty, and you chose to ignore it. Now reap your just rewards.
You would do well to remember this when your platform is no more.
A thirty days notice AT MINIMUM would have been required. There is no excuse for this kind of deceitful behavior. I don't know enough about US law to know if it's criminal or not, but even if you don't have a legal duty to forewarn your vendors, you definitely had a MORAL duty, and you chose to ignore it. Now reap your just rewards.
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AI is already reducing the sales on top of this new decision its going to decimate the whole market guys, be specific what do you mean by adult content, clothing is adult?
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Ion
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Wed, Jul 08It depends, crotch-less panties are clothing, and it depends on the previews. If the are on a mannequin, might be ok. But show them on a real person with genitalia showing, may not work.
matteoio
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Thu, Jul 09i figured they just dont wish nudity and other horrible shit on the platform lately lot of ppl have been lax on the images they post they dont care about the age, for me that was the major issue, but they are behaving like tumblr did and it drove away a lot of ppl, its going to hurt business but I think they need to express that in details what they want,
Here is the translation of your text into English, keeping your passionate tone and industry terminology intact:
First and foremost, I have to say that I am shocked by the news regarding the removal of NSFW content from the RenderHub catalogs. As a 3D artist, I have been working on RenderHub for over 3 years, and during this time, I have published more than 100 NSFW items-and in a single instant, all of it just became trash?
I believe this move shows a major lack of respect toward the creators, who are the core and the primary source of revenue for the RenderHub website. It will also impact the number of users who bought NSFW content on this platform.
Why doesn't RenderHub do what the Civitai website did, for example, by separating all adult content into a standalone site, Civitai.red? I urge the administration to be reasonable toward the creators and consumers of NSFW content and move it to a separate site-RenderHub.red!!!
First and foremost, I have to say that I am shocked by the news regarding the removal of NSFW content from the RenderHub catalogs. As a 3D artist, I have been working on RenderHub for over 3 years, and during this time, I have published more than 100 NSFW items-and in a single instant, all of it just became trash?
I believe this move shows a major lack of respect toward the creators, who are the core and the primary source of revenue for the RenderHub website. It will also impact the number of users who bought NSFW content on this platform.
Why doesn't RenderHub do what the Civitai website did, for example, by separating all adult content into a standalone site, Civitai.red? I urge the administration to be reasonable toward the creators and consumers of NSFW content and move it to a separate site-RenderHub.red!!!
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Pushee-Ri
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Thu, Jul 09Hi Intenzo, in this case, it's not about NSFW products per se, but rather about payment processing:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14782/why-we-had-to-make-the-nsfw-changes-to-the-site
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14782/why-we-had-to-make-the-nsfw-changes-to-the-site
intenzo
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Thu, Jul 09This way, you can enable payment via cryptocurrency on a separate domain for NSFW.
If Renderhub is unwilling to fight for the abilities of its creators and vendors, and find alternative payment processing options and summarily cancel long-term seller accounts with no notice, then I have no desire to use the site anymore for purchases of any kind. It's not about NSFW, it's about corporate principles, which this company cleary have none. They are like most modern corporations who are not concerned with people or selling good products, it's about pleasing shareholders, raising stock valuation, and placating the powerful. That is and are companies I will no longer support as a paying customer. I suggest others do the same.
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jrlaudio
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Thu, Jul 09One additional point:
The OP said "... to continue growing RenderHub into a trusted, accessible marketplace and creative community for the wider 3D industry". No ... you are limiting your marketplace to a narrower 3D community and mistreating the creative community without prior discourse. Stop gaslighting.
The OP said "... to continue growing RenderHub into a trusted, accessible marketplace and creative community for the wider 3D industry". No ... you are limiting your marketplace to a narrower 3D community and mistreating the creative community without prior discourse. Stop gaslighting.
DoroThee237
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Thu, Jul 09The reason why adult content was disabled so quickly is in this thread.
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14782/why-we-had-to-make-the-nsfw-changes-to-the-site
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14782/why-we-had-to-make-the-nsfw-changes-to-the-site
bu_es
Karma: 11,967
Thu, Jul 09Let's see, after reading a thread with the reasons. It's clear that if they did nothing, they'd be wiped out... people who have a lot of power, whether political or economic, or whatever, over time.
Hi, question: If I were to re render most of my products in a way that shows no nudity and more like an daz3d object for sale. Would that allow it to be sold and scene on the site?
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DoroThee237
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Thu, Jul 09The answer is in this thread
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14782/why-we-had-to-make-the-nsfw-changes-to-the-site
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14782/why-we-had-to-make-the-nsfw-changes-to-the-site
PasahRi
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Thu, Jul 09@Doro and @Doctor
The thread Doro linked to isn't really informative, since it mainly refers to the “Maturesafety settings. What do you think about starting a new thread where developers can share some of their NSFW work that was left as “Matureafter the cleanup? That way, developers would have examples of what gets approved and what doesn't.
I just tried this in the other thread to help a user figure out how far they could go. Unfortunately, I got a very narrow-minded response from that user (who I’ve noticed before as being narrow-minded and arrogant).
What do you think of this idea?
The thread Doro linked to isn't really informative, since it mainly refers to the “Maturesafety settings. What do you think about starting a new thread where developers can share some of their NSFW work that was left as “Matureafter the cleanup? That way, developers would have examples of what gets approved and what doesn't.
I just tried this in the other thread to help a user figure out how far they could go. Unfortunately, I got a very narrow-minded response from that user (who I’ve noticed before as being narrow-minded and arrogant).
What do you think of this idea?
DoroThee237
Karma: 19,094
Thu, Jul 09Honestly, it’s an excellent idea to have concrete examples—like before-and-after promo images—and to know if the product has been modified.
For some of my products, it’s obviously pointless to try relisting them; those hypocrites have made them unsellable for good.
In my text prior to translation, I used the term "Tartuffe" in reference to Molière's play.
For some of my products, it’s obviously pointless to try relisting them; those hypocrites have made them unsellable for good.
In my text prior to translation, I used the term "Tartuffe" in reference to Molière's play.
PasahRi
Karma: 7,398
Thu, Jul 09@Doro
I just created a thread on this topic and will post the first examples as PasahRi shortly
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14788/after-the-nsfw-purge
I just created a thread on this topic and will post the first examples as PasahRi shortly
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14788/after-the-nsfw-purge
So, basically, I've just opened my NSFW store a few months ago and it's already time to close it.
This hurts me a lot. I hope I can at least keep my models here, maybe with different safe promo renders...
This hurts me a lot. I hope I can at least keep my models here, maybe with different safe promo renders...
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Thu, Jul 09That's what I'm gong to do. I'm re rendering any promo that is too extreme to be more sfw, then making a new product post with the updated images.
JackOh
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Thu, Jul 09I am sure than another platform will open to take advantage of RenderHub's unbelievable stupidity at casting away their portion of the roughly $78 billion. RH is a private company, and can do what it wants. Apparently, jumping off a financial cliff is also their choice.
So if the adult content is down on this side, is there any alternative to get it?
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JackOh
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Thu, Jul 09That's what the next big startup gets to do; they get to take all of the business that RenderHub is turning away and sell content from it instead.. RH's loss by dint of puritanical stupidity will definitely be someone else's gain.
Henrika
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Thu, Jul 09I have on good authority that R'otica will soon be operational, so that's where you will find me and many other denizens.
JackOh
Karma: 360
Thu, Jul 09Which is basic economics - the law of supply and demand. If RenderHub wants to surrender their supply, someone else will meet that demand, and laugh at RenderHub's chuckleheaded board all the way to the bank.
I am not sure what leaving a comment will do; it appears you are allowing comments as a way for us to blow off steam and for us to believe that you actually give a fig about our input.
We are not stupid; we know that you don't. This is a corporate positioning move, designed before you have a public offering, or try to market yoruself as being more professional.
And, of course, it isn't going to work. You fellows should have done your homework. Tumblr tried this move, and their value dropped from an estimated $1.1 billion to less than $3 million, and they were sold off to Verizon for parts. Onlyfans did the same, and lost most of its $5 billion in less than a week before the company realized that they would be living in a refrigerator box in an alley if they didn't reverse course.
Companies have to acknowledge that sex and more [legally] prurient interests aren't going away. Like, ever. Trying to pretend it doesn't exist just allows someone to harvest the profit you will no longer be able to.
So, unless calmer heads prevail and successfully storm the corporate boardroom, defenestrating the ass-clowns who consider this a good idea, I think your company just stamped an expiration date on yourself. It's a shame; it used to be a nice place to come and buy stuff.
We are not stupid; we know that you don't. This is a corporate positioning move, designed before you have a public offering, or try to market yoruself as being more professional.
And, of course, it isn't going to work. You fellows should have done your homework. Tumblr tried this move, and their value dropped from an estimated $1.1 billion to less than $3 million, and they were sold off to Verizon for parts. Onlyfans did the same, and lost most of its $5 billion in less than a week before the company realized that they would be living in a refrigerator box in an alley if they didn't reverse course.
Companies have to acknowledge that sex and more [legally] prurient interests aren't going away. Like, ever. Trying to pretend it doesn't exist just allows someone to harvest the profit you will no longer be able to.
So, unless calmer heads prevail and successfully storm the corporate boardroom, defenestrating the ass-clowns who consider this a good idea, I think your company just stamped an expiration date on yourself. It's a shame; it used to be a nice place to come and buy stuff.
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I don't blame Renderhub for this, because I know that if they had the financial and political power to stand up to the flying monkeys of the fash billionaires behind Big Finance and Big Tech, they would.
Remember when I said that Big Finance and Big Tech hate NSFW artists and want us dead for a variety of ideological reasons, all stupid, and the dopey chargeback trope is not it. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. They believe we "shouldn't exist".
As an out and proud NFSW giantess and vore artist, I want to call upon my peers to direct your anger at the real enemy. And it's not Renderhub, or any other relatively small business that lacks the means to resist the bullies of predator cartel capitalism (not to be confused with the regulated free enterprise that made the middle class as we know it possible, and that's been in decline the past 40+ years).
I don't have a magic Easy Button solution, but that shouldn't stop us from getting creative. "Just vote! VOTE HARDER" cannot be relied upon to be enough for the foreseeable future. And "voting with your dollars" only works if you have enough dollars to outvote the billionaires (you don't).
We must demand and secure our own rightful freedom, and take it if the extractor class holds onto it. This may mean some combination of mutual aid, cooperation, enhanced privacy methods, creative problem solving, and seeking out allies with the funds and influence to punch back.
Like I said, I don't have a detailed roadmap. But let's zoom out to the bigger picture and understand the root causes of all this stupidity. Those of us who are old enough to remember the cool Internet, back when people believed in freedom, must not allow the emerging generation to think this is in any way normal, or OK.
-- BV
Remember when I said that Big Finance and Big Tech hate NSFW artists and want us dead for a variety of ideological reasons, all stupid, and the dopey chargeback trope is not it. This is the kind of thing I'm talking about. They believe we "shouldn't exist".
As an out and proud NFSW giantess and vore artist, I want to call upon my peers to direct your anger at the real enemy. And it's not Renderhub, or any other relatively small business that lacks the means to resist the bullies of predator cartel capitalism (not to be confused with the regulated free enterprise that made the middle class as we know it possible, and that's been in decline the past 40+ years).
I don't have a magic Easy Button solution, but that shouldn't stop us from getting creative. "Just vote! VOTE HARDER" cannot be relied upon to be enough for the foreseeable future. And "voting with your dollars" only works if you have enough dollars to outvote the billionaires (you don't).
We must demand and secure our own rightful freedom, and take it if the extractor class holds onto it. This may mean some combination of mutual aid, cooperation, enhanced privacy methods, creative problem solving, and seeking out allies with the funds and influence to punch back.
Like I said, I don't have a detailed roadmap. But let's zoom out to the bigger picture and understand the root causes of all this stupidity. Those of us who are old enough to remember the cool Internet, back when people believed in freedom, must not allow the emerging generation to think this is in any way normal, or OK.
-- BV
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shadowyartsbusiness
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Fri, Jul 10I think it's about time dedicated nsfw platforms start being built from the ground up in partnership with government officials.
Let's face it, it's no secret that politicians love sexual content but also somehow like regulating against it whenever they want more votes from puritans.
So I suppose we make new adult oriented platforms for selling NSFW assets that have actual politicians as investors. That way success on that platform is seen as success for the host country.
Similar to how Japan has some Hentai companies partially government owned.
At the same time Canadian government owns some pornsites.
If we had something like that for digital assets we would get high risk patment protection and 30 year plus protections cause part of the countries GDP would be tied to the continued sales.
Let's face it, it's no secret that politicians love sexual content but also somehow like regulating against it whenever they want more votes from puritans.
So I suppose we make new adult oriented platforms for selling NSFW assets that have actual politicians as investors. That way success on that platform is seen as success for the host country.
Similar to how Japan has some Hentai companies partially government owned.
At the same time Canadian government owns some pornsites.
If we had something like that for digital assets we would get high risk patment protection and 30 year plus protections cause part of the countries GDP would be tied to the continued sales.
brothervirgil
Karma: 366
Fri, Jul 10Only problem there is that you can't have a partnership with someone who hates you and wants you dead. In the case of the US, the political environment is the most actively hostile it's been in my lifetime, both at the state and federal level.
It's true that predator elites feel free to ignore the restrictions they impose on "the plebs," but that doesn't help the rest of us.
What's needed is a payment processor that's not going to play stupid games with us when it comes to our money and our right to sell material to our grown ass adult viewers. The right people with the right technical knowledge and ideological belief in freedom. Can't be that hard, can it?
It's true that predator elites feel free to ignore the restrictions they impose on "the plebs," but that doesn't help the rest of us.
What's needed is a payment processor that's not going to play stupid games with us when it comes to our money and our right to sell material to our grown ass adult viewers. The right people with the right technical knowledge and ideological belief in freedom. Can't be that hard, can it?
This is massively disappointing, renderhub was the best site for adult poses and other content. This is a huge blow to both consumers and artists on this platform and a disgusting display of censorship.
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I'm very confused currently. I'm trying to follow the new content policy. I tried to re render an adult product of mine called the Adult Amusement Park Part 1. As you can see in the image attached it has no adult content. However it was taken down. However a piece lingerie I have listed on my account has a girl wearing it and you can clearly see her nipples and naked pussy though the clothing. How is that possible?
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For my two bobs worth. The Australia Federal government has allowed a bureaucrat to censure the internet for Australians. The UK is following suite, all under the disguise of keeping children safe on the internet (something that should to the sole responsibility of the parents or guardians). They are threatening a $50 Million fine for breaches. I, now can't access web sites that have ANY adult content. I can access DA because I've been a member for so long, but can't access art type web sites anymore if I never signed up, only browsed like Artstation. Can't access forums etc. if there is a possibility to view "adult" content. Some sites have taken the direction to just block visitors with a "prove your an adult' and give enough information so the individual can be hacked or have their identity stollen. There is no penalty for mis use of the identity documents needed to prove a person is an adult. RH may have taken that into consideration because no adult content means no possibility of any penalty that could seriously damage a company's financial situation.
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"Evolution" is a natural development, driven by changing circumstances and forced improvement.
What you do (did) is better called "impact".
What you do (did) is better called "impact".
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Last time this happened I thought there should be an European website, where the hyprocrits are the minority. The anxiety about even a nipple is grotesque, and after getting to know a LOT of artists here they are more plagued by geriatric problems rather than being a minor. In fact, I believe I in my conversations have not met one. Ever.
So: if you want to have minors protected, introduce an age verification. But what Renderhub has done now is an insult to vendors, client, and common sense. And I guess that just killed klicks, revenue - and interest.
I do buy adult content, and I use it, though I do not post that here. But a lot of vendors, also those who not only do adult stuff, will suffer and therefore venture elsewhere.
"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it." Mark Twain
So: if you want to have minors protected, introduce an age verification. But what Renderhub has done now is an insult to vendors, client, and common sense. And I guess that just killed klicks, revenue - and interest.
I do buy adult content, and I use it, though I do not post that here. But a lot of vendors, also those who not only do adult stuff, will suffer and therefore venture elsewhere.
"Censorship is telling a man he can't have a steak just because a baby can't chew it." Mark Twain
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kwerkx
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Fri, Jul 10"So: if you want to have minors protected, introduce an age verification. "
I disagree. The age verification efforts are more dangerous than they appear! Yes, "Adult" websites would require age verification; but the fear of being labeled "adult", "X", "NC-17", "AO" would bring censorship boards to all non-adult platforms. It would be economically acceptable to over censor small groups of people to avoid being labeled as an Adult website and to keep the traffic and ad volume up. Censors could argue for safe speech for the youngest members of the platform (around 12-13). Not just porn but "unalive" and "grape" replacing real world terms.. the internet a source of information and education for many people in the world reduced to language safe for a 13 year old? So, I counter that if you want to keep minors safe.. monitor THEM or keep THEM off the internet.
I disagree. The age verification efforts are more dangerous than they appear! Yes, "Adult" websites would require age verification; but the fear of being labeled "adult", "X", "NC-17", "AO" would bring censorship boards to all non-adult platforms. It would be economically acceptable to over censor small groups of people to avoid being labeled as an Adult website and to keep the traffic and ad volume up. Censors could argue for safe speech for the youngest members of the platform (around 12-13). Not just porn but "unalive" and "grape" replacing real world terms.. the internet a source of information and education for many people in the world reduced to language safe for a 13 year old? So, I counter that if you want to keep minors safe.. monitor THEM or keep THEM off the internet.
Hellcat
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Fri, Jul 10Age verification is a "cure" worse than the disease.
The corpos and politicians are pushing it to gain power and will abuse it to further said power. They will censor more than just adult items, games, and videos. What they want is what we see in China but worldwide
The corpos and politicians are pushing it to gain power and will abuse it to further said power. They will censor more than just adult items, games, and videos. What they want is what we see in China but worldwide
Masterstroke
Karma: 5,998
Mon, Jul 13What about putting respondsability back to where it belongs.
to the parents.
Internet is an adult sport- period
To every parent in this effing universe.
"watch your kids"
I don't want to suffer restrictions, because some parents are busy with their phones instead of watching their kids.
Guns , TV, cars, p0rn, planes, nuclear weapons and internet are just not for kids.
Parents have the duty to decide careful and respondsable what their kids are consuming.
On top of it, where monitoring becomes difficult in a public space, education is key.
This is parenting.
To narrow it down, your content gets censored here at RH, because some parents have become to lazy to deal with their kids, but expecting authority and also teachers to do their job.
... besides some Christian Nationalists running completely crazy.
to the parents.
Internet is an adult sport- period
To every parent in this effing universe.
"watch your kids"
I don't want to suffer restrictions, because some parents are busy with their phones instead of watching their kids.
Guns , TV, cars, p0rn, planes, nuclear weapons and internet are just not for kids.
Parents have the duty to decide careful and respondsable what their kids are consuming.
On top of it, where monitoring becomes difficult in a public space, education is key.
This is parenting.
To narrow it down, your content gets censored here at RH, because some parents have become to lazy to deal with their kids, but expecting authority and also teachers to do their job.
... besides some Christian Nationalists running completely crazy.
I don't know exactly where you are going to draw the line for what's going to be "adult content" considering I still see stuff I'd guess sites like Daz wouldn't allow, but yeah, if you simply become another Daz site I just can't believe this is going to be a good decision even from a business point of view. That's the only reason I use this site at all. Otherwise, you know... I'll just use the Daz site and have all my stuff organized with DIM. So yeah, so long, now I got to spend a bunch of time making a backup of all my purchases here because if you are capable of delisting thousands of products without even warning the creators then I can't trust you aren't going to just remove my downloads at some point without warning either.
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Living in America is like the final season of GOT.
Lab Meat hitting the stores - Check
Corporations/Government trying to control what you earn and how you make a living - Check
Government/Corporations poisoning our food/water supply - Check
Spy cams almost everywhere in the country - Check
Nonsensical, expensive wars that benefit no one but the usual suspects - Check
Using the media to futher divide the people to where they are blaming each other versus the real culprits - Check
Alas, in 2019, 3D art became an outlet. An outlet to write, explore, and create. What all of this boils down to for me is control. If you think Big Brother isn't watching what some of this Devs/Vendors earn from making NSFW content, then I have a bridge to sell you. What's hilarious is that it's always some smoke-and-mirrors explanation too. Whether it's protecting children, or the imagery of things like sex trafficking, child exploitation, rape, and yet... Living in America, and being old enough to see through both the Left and Right's agendas, you tend to step back and chuckle at both their insane levels of hypocrisy and stupidity. One claims to be progressive, but is progressively screwing over humankind with its constant need for all things simple and transparent. The other hides behind faux traditions, and things like religion, family, and "wholesome values".
Ironically, one of Trump's biggest donors created Pornhub and OnlyFans, if I'm not mistaken. You have Netflix that still has a series called "Cuties" that pretty much goes against what these fanatics are ranting about. You think credit card companies will go after them? Yeah, me neither.
This isn't a rant; it's more like an observation. To all of the NSFW vendors, I salute you. I'm sorry that your hard work is now nothing more than collateral damage.
Lab Meat hitting the stores - Check
Corporations/Government trying to control what you earn and how you make a living - Check
Government/Corporations poisoning our food/water supply - Check
Spy cams almost everywhere in the country - Check
Nonsensical, expensive wars that benefit no one but the usual suspects - Check
Using the media to futher divide the people to where they are blaming each other versus the real culprits - Check
Alas, in 2019, 3D art became an outlet. An outlet to write, explore, and create. What all of this boils down to for me is control. If you think Big Brother isn't watching what some of this Devs/Vendors earn from making NSFW content, then I have a bridge to sell you. What's hilarious is that it's always some smoke-and-mirrors explanation too. Whether it's protecting children, or the imagery of things like sex trafficking, child exploitation, rape, and yet... Living in America, and being old enough to see through both the Left and Right's agendas, you tend to step back and chuckle at both their insane levels of hypocrisy and stupidity. One claims to be progressive, but is progressively screwing over humankind with its constant need for all things simple and transparent. The other hides behind faux traditions, and things like religion, family, and "wholesome values".
Ironically, one of Trump's biggest donors created Pornhub and OnlyFans, if I'm not mistaken. You have Netflix that still has a series called "Cuties" that pretty much goes against what these fanatics are ranting about. You think credit card companies will go after them? Yeah, me neither.
This isn't a rant; it's more like an observation. To all of the NSFW vendors, I salute you. I'm sorry that your hard work is now nothing more than collateral damage.
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Having joined RenderHub around a year ago, I feel compelled to express my concerns regarding this recent decision, which seems both tone-deaf and financially misguided. My attraction to this platform stemmed from its commitment to fostering an open and creative space where individuals could freely explore, build, and create. For many of us who are of age, NSFW material was an essential aspect of that creative freedom and expression. By restricting this content, you risk alienating a segment of your user base, and the repercussions of that loss in business will ultimately reflect back on RenderHub's choices.
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TO RENDERHUB: good luck to you...just as an fyi, I only came here for the 'niche' content I couldn't get other places; I hope this potential growth was worth it...
...and to my smut-rendering compadres, let me say this--this store was nothing more than a CONVENIENCE...I've been using Poser and Daz to create artisanal, hand-crafted lewds for decades--if you really want to keep doing whatever it was you were doing, believe in your own ingenuity and you will find a way...!
...I know as a DS user that you can create your own specialized 'needs' using morphs and primitives, and scrounge elements and textures from SFW resources; you can even build stuff in BLENDER...RH has done us a favor, by showing us how little they value our commerce...I SAY take that $$, and spend it somewhere else...we don't need them, and they THINK they don't need us...
...it SUCKS to be treated so poorly, but what else is new??--we live in a late capitalist, AI-driven Nightmare...and corporations have been like this since before our great-great-grandparents were born...they are literally abandoning a still viable market, which means someone else will be along, soon enough...
...to those aggrieved, I SALUTE YOU!--you deserved better than this!
...KEEP 'EM TYIN', or SPANKIN' or whatever else your were doing with the stuff you were buying and selling here...A new day, will Cum...!
...and to my smut-rendering compadres, let me say this--this store was nothing more than a CONVENIENCE...I've been using Poser and Daz to create artisanal, hand-crafted lewds for decades--if you really want to keep doing whatever it was you were doing, believe in your own ingenuity and you will find a way...!
...I know as a DS user that you can create your own specialized 'needs' using morphs and primitives, and scrounge elements and textures from SFW resources; you can even build stuff in BLENDER...RH has done us a favor, by showing us how little they value our commerce...I SAY take that $$, and spend it somewhere else...we don't need them, and they THINK they don't need us...
...it SUCKS to be treated so poorly, but what else is new??--we live in a late capitalist, AI-driven Nightmare...and corporations have been like this since before our great-great-grandparents were born...they are literally abandoning a still viable market, which means someone else will be along, soon enough...
...to those aggrieved, I SALUTE YOU!--you deserved better than this!
...KEEP 'EM TYIN', or SPANKIN' or whatever else your were doing with the stuff you were buying and selling here...A new day, will Cum...!
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Business decisions are based on dollars.
Not more complicated than that.
And starving artist dont have a head for either. No I didn't bother reading 90% of this thread, cause in two months it wont matter.
Not more complicated than that.
And starving artist dont have a head for either. No I didn't bother reading 90% of this thread, cause in two months it wont matter.
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WOW! There's a lot of selfish negativity in this thread. Does nobody care about the non-adult mainstream 3D asset creators and buyers that would be impacted if payment processing for the entire site got shut down? And there are hundreds of thousands of non-adult 3D assets here on RenderHub.
I, for one, like this change. I think it makes RenderHub look much more professional and sustainable in the long run. I know that I will be recommending this site more often to my friends and work associates now.
I, for one, like this change. I think it makes RenderHub look much more professional and sustainable in the long run. I know that I will be recommending this site more often to my friends and work associates now.
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I'm not a vendor, but it breaks my heart to know that one of my talented friends suddenly had all their stunning erotic pose sets hidden from buyers. We're now looking into other ways for these items to be available for purchase again, since THIS site betrayed everyone in the blink of an eye. I won't rest until I help my friend find another site to set up a new shop and get back to selling their beautiful creations.
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PasahRi
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Sun, Jul 12I think it's relatively simple with pose sets (at least if they aren't couple poses): render the promos in White Mode (Clay) and, if necessary, dress the models a little (exclude from White Mode). Or render the models with skin, but fully clothed (GeoShell). Then it will probably work. You know about my thread where I’m collecting ideas for camouflage, right?
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14788/after-the-nsfw-purge
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/14788/after-the-nsfw-purge
Dark-Shadow-Candy
Karma: 1,917
Sun, Jul 12I'll tell my friend that (thanks for the info ♥). They wanted to open a store on Rotica, but can't set up a proper seller account because they live in Turkey and can't use the payout methods currently available there. I didn't see that thread, but it's only because my old eyes missed it. Thank you for the link, but when I click on it, a pic of an ADORABLE little treefrog appears with the message "Oops! That didn't work…
Try searching for what you're looking for". Looks like it's *really* saying "TALK TO THE HAND"!
Try searching for what you're looking for". Looks like it's *really* saying "TALK TO THE HAND"!
PasahRi
Karma: 7,398
Sun, Jul 12@Dark-Shadow-Candy
Hi, I just tested the link again: it works. If it doesn't show anything for you, just check the forum and look for 'After the NSFW purge...' (it's currently near the top of the results).
Hi, I just tested the link again: it works. If it doesn't show anything for you, just check the forum and look for 'After the NSFW purge...' (it's currently near the top of the results).
jmper
Karma: 184
Sun, Jul 12@PasahRi
The link you keep posting doesn't work for me either, nor does it show in a form search. Is the post by chance in a vendor only form?
The link you keep posting doesn't work for me either, nor does it show in a form search. Is the post by chance in a vendor only form?
PasahRi
Karma: 7,398
Sun, Jul 12@jmper
Damn it, you're right! Some admin moved my thread from the General section to Vendors Corner. HOW STUPID IS THAT!!!!
This shitty interference—which I wasn't even told about—makes me want to puke. Seriously!
Damn it, you're right! Some admin moved my thread from the General section to Vendors Corner. HOW STUPID IS THAT!!!!
This shitty interference—which I wasn't even told about—makes me want to puke. Seriously!
jmper
Karma: 184
Sun, Jul 12@PasahRi
No problem, just thought you might want to know. I had seen you post it a lot but could never see it or search it.
No problem, just thought you might want to know. I had seen you post it a lot but could never see it or search it.
RenderHub Admin 1
Admin: 16,553
Sun, Jul 12@PasahRi -
That admin was me. Since the thread started by @Pushee-Ri was directed at vendors, I don't think it was "stupid" or "shitty interference" to move it. The Vendors Corner is the exact place where vendor communication belongs in the forum.
That admin was me. Since the thread started by @Pushee-Ri was directed at vendors, I don't think it was "stupid" or "shitty interference" to move it. The Vendors Corner is the exact place where vendor communication belongs in the forum.
Pushee-Ri
Karma: 52,131
Sun, Jul 12@RenderHub Admin 1
But the thread wasn't just meant for vendors—it was for anyone interested! That's why I posted it under 'General.' Dark Shadow Candy's post alone should be enough to show everyone that there's interest in this topic even outside of the Vendors Corner. I try to help others... and then someone throws a wrench in the works. Honestly, this kind of interference is really starting to piss me off!
But the thread wasn't just meant for vendors—it was for anyone interested! That's why I posted it under 'General.' Dark Shadow Candy's post alone should be enough to show everyone that there's interest in this topic even outside of the Vendors Corner. I try to help others... and then someone throws a wrench in the works. Honestly, this kind of interference is really starting to piss me off!
PasahRi
Karma: 7,398
Sun, Jul 12@Dark-Shadow-Candy and jmper
To illustrate what I described above, I quickly edited one of the promo images for one of my projects that survived the Purge and added a few notes:
https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/98542/after-the-purge-is-before-the-purge
To illustrate what I described above, I quickly edited one of the promo images for one of my projects that survived the Purge and added a few notes:
https://www.renderhub.com/gallery/98542/after-the-purge-is-before-the-purge
RenderHub Admin 1
Admin: 16,553
Sun, Jul 12@Pushee-Ri -
A direct quote from your first post in that thread:
"That's why I came up with the idea for this thread, where developers can showcase the products they have left over after the cleanup or describe how they were able to change their products' rating from 18+ to Mature. This could then provide important guidance for others who also need to redesign their products."
This isn't interference. I moved the thread to the proper section of the forum, where it should have been posted in the first place.
A direct quote from your first post in that thread:
"That's why I came up with the idea for this thread, where developers can showcase the products they have left over after the cleanup or describe how they were able to change their products' rating from 18+ to Mature. This could then provide important guidance for others who also need to redesign their products."
This isn't interference. I moved the thread to the proper section of the forum, where it should have been posted in the first place.
Dark-Shadow-Candy
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Sun, Jul 12@Pushee-Ri
@PasahRi
Yes, even buyers are upset by this decision (and interested in your very useful thread) because adult items are something a LOT of artists (including myself) purchase. Plus, there's the fact that some of us are friends with the vendors who got screwed over. All of us are in this together.
I'll DM your thread link to my friend, who needs all the support they can get right now (sex poses are the only thing they do, so this decision was devastating for their small business).
@PasahRi
Yes, even buyers are upset by this decision (and interested in your very useful thread) because adult items are something a LOT of artists (including myself) purchase. Plus, there's the fact that some of us are friends with the vendors who got screwed over. All of us are in this together.
I'll DM your thread link to my friend, who needs all the support they can get right now (sex poses are the only thing they do, so this decision was devastating for their small business).
Pushee-Ri
Karma: 52,131
Sun, Jul 12@Dark-Shaddow-Candy
Unfortunately, you can't send the link to the actual thread because it's no longer accessible to anyone interested. The link to the image works just fine, though. To see the original product, however, your friend will need to turn SafeSite Mode OFF (I'll add a note about that right next to the image).
Thank you very much for your interest
Unfortunately, you can't send the link to the actual thread because it's no longer accessible to anyone interested. The link to the image works just fine, though. To see the original product, however, your friend will need to turn SafeSite Mode OFF (I'll add a note about that right next to the image).
Thank you very much for your interest
Dark-Shadow-Candy
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Sun, Jul 12@Pushee-Ri
Oh, I know to send the gallery link instead of the thread one. My friend is an expert at sex poses, so I guarantee you their SafeSite Mode has been turned OFF for quite some time! XD
You're very welcome - any help is appreciated during this chaotic time.
Oh, I know to send the gallery link instead of the thread one. My friend is an expert at sex poses, so I guarantee you their SafeSite Mode has been turned OFF for quite some time! XD
You're very welcome - any help is appreciated during this chaotic time.
I tried an experiment with Google's A.I., and these were the answers I got:
Playboy: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (N)
Penthouse: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (Y)
Blacked: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (N)
OnlyFans: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (N)
Hegre: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (Y)
XHamster: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (Y)
There are more, but you can see that all of these sites still accept Visa and Mastercard, and at least half still accept PayPal (again, according to Google).
So the question I have to ask is, if these sites can offer the services and products that they offer and still retain access to their payment processors, why can't RendeHub?
Playboy: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (N)
Penthouse: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (Y)
Blacked: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (N)
OnlyFans: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (N)
Hegre: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (Y)
XHamster: Visa (Y) Mastercard (Y) PayPal (Y)
There are more, but you can see that all of these sites still accept Visa and Mastercard, and at least half still accept PayPal (again, according to Google).
So the question I have to ask is, if these sites can offer the services and products that they offer and still retain access to their payment processors, why can't RendeHub?
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MKDAWUSS
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Sun, Jul 12They're the big boys, who can throw their weight around and get away with things the little fella can't.
Katsuyaki
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Sun, Jul 12If that's the case, tho', you would think that the fact that the rules are not applied evenly and consistently would be something that could be used against the payment processors legally, as in a class-action lawsuit or even legislation.
diogenese19348
Karma: 757
Sun, Jul 12Visa and Mastercard are just the labels, you have to find a bank that will allow you to accept them. The terms those banks have vary widely as do the amounts charged to process.
The problem isn't finding places that accept them, the problem is getting a bank that will allow you to use them.
The problem isn't finding places that accept them, the problem is getting a bank that will allow you to use them.
Dark-Shadow-Candy
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Sun, Jul 12Damn good research and question! I doubt RH will give you just as good of an answer, though. :/
Katsuyaki
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Mon, Jul 13diogenese19348: "Visa and Mastercard are just the labels, you have to find a bank that will allow you to accept them. The terms those banks have vary widely as do the amounts charged to process.
The problem isn't finding places that accept them, the problem is getting a bank that will allow you to use them."
Well, the same solution applies, tho': use the legal and/or legislative processes to target the inconsistency of those banks or those payment processors to apply rules and standards fairly. At this point, I would think it would be fairly easy to assemble enough businesses who've had their operations impacted by this bullshit to qualify as plaintiffs in a class-action lawsuit. They might be able to bully or ignore Renderhub or Renderotica on a one-on-one basis, but I would think it would be harder to ignore a hundred (or even a few thousand) businesses coming at them through the courts. Has anyone tried that approach?
The problem isn't finding places that accept them, the problem is getting a bank that will allow you to use them."
Well, the same solution applies, tho': use the legal and/or legislative processes to target the inconsistency of those banks or those payment processors to apply rules and standards fairly. At this point, I would think it would be fairly easy to assemble enough businesses who've had their operations impacted by this bullshit to qualify as plaintiffs in a class-action lawsuit. They might be able to bully or ignore Renderhub or Renderotica on a one-on-one basis, but I would think it would be harder to ignore a hundred (or even a few thousand) businesses coming at them through the courts. Has anyone tried that approach?
"investment opportunity online"
An entire wealth of valid information at the tip of your fingers, all you have to do is research, not read paid reviews from people who don't exist. If it's too good to be true and online, it is a scam. Plain and simple.
An entire wealth of valid information at the tip of your fingers, all you have to do is research, not read paid reviews from people who don't exist. If it's too good to be true and online, it is a scam. Plain and simple.
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An example from a consumer here. My wish list, in the header of any page here, says 32 items on sale. The actual wish list page displays 24.. Effectively, 25% of the items I had in my wish list are no longer acceptable to RenderHub. It does make me wonder about the future viability of the site without a differing factor from the plethora of similar sites for Daz or Poser or Blender, "SFW" items. Now had there been say 4 weeks warning, both Vendors and consumers could have transacted and been profitable for all participating partners, Renderhub, Vendors and consumers.
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3DShards is now the latest to scrub R18 content. They've announced a separate site for it.
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I just read the Shard email. Based on that email and what Renderhub have said, This stems from the e-safety commissioner in Australia. The Australia voting public, agreed to a ban on under 16 year olds being able to access social media sites like facebook etc. This was well published and generally agreed on. What actually happened behind the scenes was the e-safety commissioner enlisted the advise from a private company and went about contacting adult web sites and requiring them to verify their customers were over 18 years old. It seems they also applied pressure on the card payment industry. They have $50 Million fines for companies that are not compliant with the under 16 year old social media "laws" as they were passed in parliament. The over 18 year old issue has never been passed in parliament and is a bureaucratic decision. I am sure VISA and Mastercard and Paypal etc. would be a little intimidated over a $50 million dollar fine per instance and would easily make a decision to not take payment transactions that could be subject to legal action.
https://www.esafety.gov.au/about-us/industry-regulation/social-media-age-restrictions
https://www.esafety.gov.au/industry/codes/faq-access-to-online-porn-and-other-adult-content
If anyone is considering a "class action law suite" I would suggest the e-safety commissioner is the target.
https://www.esafety.gov.au/about-us/industry-regulation/social-media-age-restrictions
https://www.esafety.gov.au/industry/codes/faq-access-to-online-porn-and-other-adult-content
If anyone is considering a "class action law suite" I would suggest the e-safety commissioner is the target.
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coomcheese
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Tue, Jul 21"The Australia voting public, agreed to a ban on under 16 year olds being able to access social media sites like facebook etc."
Let me clarify they did not vote for it the Government decided on it. There was no referendum or consultation on this. The esafety comission is a blight on the internet.
Let me clarify they did not vote for it the Government decided on it. There was no referendum or consultation on this. The esafety comission is a blight on the internet.
deathd
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Tue, Jul 21It might just bite them in the ass too. Rather than comply with their bullshit law, it would be a lot easier to block australian IP's and tell them to pound sand. Facebook did similar to canada, canadian government demanded that facebook pay when people link the canadian news on the platform. Facebook decided it would be better to just block all news on canadian IP's instead. Problem solved a lot cheaper.
Druc
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Tue, Jul 21Pornhub did exactly that. There is a message on their site saying they are not taking new subscriptions from "your" location.
Here's a radical thought, if they want age verification. Have the Federal government of all countries verify their citizens are over the legal age to view "adult" content and provide their citizens with as many "age verification tokens" as the person requests. 10 or 2 million, doesn't matter. No personal details recorded, the citizens government has verified they are of legal age and should be protecting their privacy online . You go to an adult web site use a token and get admitted as your age or right to access that content has been approved by your government. They can't track you as you have the right to use a different token at a different web site. Your privacy is guaranteed by your own government.
Here's what the e-safety commissioner says about our privacy:
Depending on the service or platform, you may be able to report any concerns about a privacy breach directly to them.
The Office of the Australian Information Commissioner is the Australian privacy regulator. You can learn more about making a privacy complaint at the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner.
So basically, comply with the age verification or receive a $50 million fine breach privacy WE DON'T CARE.
Here's what the e-safety commissioner says about our privacy:
Depending on the service or platform, you may be able to report any concerns about a privacy breach directly to them.
The Office of the Australian Information Commissioner is the Australian privacy regulator. You can learn more about making a privacy complaint at the Office of the Australian Information Commissioner.
So basically, comply with the age verification or receive a $50 million fine breach privacy WE DON'T CARE.
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3D Shards removed their adult content but they had the sense to send an email out telling everyone what is going on and have announced that it will go up on a separate site with age verification. I have issues with age verification considering the disaster it has been for Discord and others, but I do appreciate them sending an email out to inform everyone what was happening instead of glorifying corpo-speak.
Hi everyone!
We have a couple of important updates to share with you.
Let's start with the easy and awesome one: please give a warm welcome to our newest vendor, HumanXTextures! We're really happy to have them joining the 3DShards family.
The second update is a little more complicated, but it is not necessarily bad news.
As many of you have probably noticed, several marketplaces have recently made major changes to how they handle intimate and adult products. Unfortunately, this is something we could not completely avoid either. These changes are mainly connected to the increasingly strict requirements of Visa, Mastercard, and payment providers.
Some marketplaces chose to remove this type of content completely. Others gave vendors time to censor or change their products.
We decided to take a different path.
To keep 3DShards compliant, we have removed the affected content from the marketplace. However, we did not want to simply delete it and leave our vendors and customers without an alternative.
Instead, we are preparing a new sister marketplace created specifically for adult 3D content. Once it opens, verified adult customers will be able to browse and purchase these products there after completing age verification.
We will share more information very soon. This is not goodbye to this type of content - it is simply moving to a new home where it can be presented properly and responsibly.
Also, if you know a talented creator looking for a premium marketplace for NSFW 3D content, or you are a creator yourself, please feel free to contact us. We would love to hear from you.
Hi everyone!
We have a couple of important updates to share with you.
Let's start with the easy and awesome one: please give a warm welcome to our newest vendor, HumanXTextures! We're really happy to have them joining the 3DShards family.
The second update is a little more complicated, but it is not necessarily bad news.
As many of you have probably noticed, several marketplaces have recently made major changes to how they handle intimate and adult products. Unfortunately, this is something we could not completely avoid either. These changes are mainly connected to the increasingly strict requirements of Visa, Mastercard, and payment providers.
Some marketplaces chose to remove this type of content completely. Others gave vendors time to censor or change their products.
We decided to take a different path.
To keep 3DShards compliant, we have removed the affected content from the marketplace. However, we did not want to simply delete it and leave our vendors and customers without an alternative.
Instead, we are preparing a new sister marketplace created specifically for adult 3D content. Once it opens, verified adult customers will be able to browse and purchase these products there after completing age verification.
We will share more information very soon. This is not goodbye to this type of content - it is simply moving to a new home where it can be presented properly and responsibly.
Also, if you know a talented creator looking for a premium marketplace for NSFW 3D content, or you are a creator yourself, please feel free to contact us. We would love to hear from you.
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LchBch
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Tue, Jul 14On the upside, our age verification on this new site can be done with paypal.
Is it still frustrating to have it? Yep, really wish we could just get by with a simple "Confirm you're over the age of 18" button gate. However, at least it doesn't require an ID or inputting any sensitive information into the site. We don't keep anything or see anything. Paypal just tells the if site you're over 18/age of majority in your jurisdiction and then you're good to go.
We've actually been working with vendors behind the scenes for a while before the email went out to the public, so a lot of us had more time to start migrating products over.
Is it still frustrating to have it? Yep, really wish we could just get by with a simple "Confirm you're over the age of 18" button gate. However, at least it doesn't require an ID or inputting any sensitive information into the site. We don't keep anything or see anything. Paypal just tells the if site you're over 18/age of majority in your jurisdiction and then you're good to go.
We've actually been working with vendors behind the scenes for a while before the email went out to the public, so a lot of us had more time to start migrating products over.
I didn't spend tons of money here, maybe $100 a year, but it was all adult content, so... guess I'm out.
It was nice knowing you Tumblr... I mean, Renderhub.
It was nice knowing you Tumblr... I mean, Renderhub.
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So......
For Daz users....
What does Renderhub have now, thats makes it any more interesting than every other milky, white-bread venue selling thousands of sexualized, randomly-dialed victorias?
I'm expecting a rather quick drop into obscurity.
For Daz users....
What does Renderhub have now, thats makes it any more interesting than every other milky, white-bread venue selling thousands of sexualized, randomly-dialed victorias?
I'm expecting a rather quick drop into obscurity.
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MKDAWUSS
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Thu, Jul 16Game asset converts! Yay fanart!
Ummmm, I think right now the community is what's keeping a number of people here. We do have a great bunch of people here.
Yay fanart!Ummmm, I think right now the community is what's keeping a number of people here. We do have a great bunch of people here.
DoroThee237
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Thu, Jul 16What holds me back is the simplicity of the accepted package; on other sites, you’re required to submit renders using Genesis versions other than the base one—for clothing, for instance—or place documentation in specific folders. In short, there are just too many guidelines and constraints.
3DLoki
Karma: 3,442
Thu, Jul 16To my knowledge only Daz themselves requires those types of renders, but honestly it's a good thing for customers to know that what they are buying from you will not just work with only the base model, I don't know many (if anyone lol) who uses only the base model in their artwork.
As for the Docs, that's just putting your readme file into a folder called "documentation" and the readme is important for buyers if they ever want to delete the product, or re-install for whatever reason, that readme gives them (if done correctly lol) a list of every file in the product and where it should be located.
As for the Docs, that's just putting your readme file into a folder called "documentation" and the readme is important for buyers if they ever want to delete the product, or re-install for whatever reason, that readme gives them (if done correctly lol) a list of every file in the product and where it should be located.
Bejaymac
Karma: 132
Tue, Jul 21This is something that has always bugged the crap out of me.
In a DAZ Studio Formats content directory there are only three folder names that are invisible in the Content Library. Those are "data", "Runtime" and "ReadMe's", every other folder name is visible, and without DS native files inside it will show as being empty.
Guess what most people are likely to do to an "empty" documentation folder in the Content Library.
In a DAZ Studio Formats content directory there are only three folder names that are invisible in the Content Library. Those are "data", "Runtime" and "ReadMe's", every other folder name is visible, and without DS native files inside it will show as being empty.
Guess what most people are likely to do to an "empty" documentation folder in the Content Library.
DoroThee237
Karma: 19,094
Tue, Jul 21That is why I include the files !tutorials.dsa, !tutorials.png, and !tutorials.pdf in the same folder as the product; they provide the user with a quick guide—for an Optitex dynamic garment, for example.
This is all quite entertaining but in the end solves nothing. Since I am an Artist only "I use the term loosely" and I do not create content/assets for sale, not that would want to, I just don't have the required knowledge to enter into it as I was a late comer to the Daz game. There are A LOT of things I Want that simply are not available by current creators.
That aside, figuring out how to "beat them at there own game" is rather pointless. The next time some Puritan gets something up their b*tt. The same thing will happen again, and again you will take it. I assume RH is cashing in big on all the content creators sales, or else why do it. Continue to fund censorship and you get more of it. I understand many of you guys do this for a living. What living are you going to end up with if you keep taking it on the chin.. Anyone remember Bud Lite? destroy their bottom line and they have to take notice. They are doing it to you guys and and you are continuing to find an alt way of filling their warchest with more of your hard earned time and money only to be used against you again and again.
In my case, what good is being able to purchase assets SFW or NSFW if the created artwork has nowhere to be seen. I have many of the items from creators here and they do great stuff. I understand you also have a bottom line. But does that mean the Sistine Chapel has to be completely painted over because one miscreant finds something they don't like? I think not. I understand and agree with limits on things that are morbidly distasteful in every way that could very well lead to massive corporate backlash. But what was done to the creators and artists here, without even advance notice is nothing short of betrayal. But you know it doesn't matter as long as RH can keep making money off their suckers...ur...um...creators.
I have completely pulled down my entire Gallery no matter what the content was. I will not be part promoting or helping promote of a nest of Corpo bureaucrats who decide what expression is acceptable this week and what is not next week based on how the wind happens to blow because they have no spine. So until something better comes along I guess I'm done here too. Just my 2 cents.
Good Luck and thanks for the great products and inspiration.
That aside, figuring out how to "beat them at there own game" is rather pointless. The next time some Puritan gets something up their b*tt. The same thing will happen again, and again you will take it. I assume RH is cashing in big on all the content creators sales, or else why do it. Continue to fund censorship and you get more of it. I understand many of you guys do this for a living. What living are you going to end up with if you keep taking it on the chin.. Anyone remember Bud Lite? destroy their bottom line and they have to take notice. They are doing it to you guys and and you are continuing to find an alt way of filling their warchest with more of your hard earned time and money only to be used against you again and again.
In my case, what good is being able to purchase assets SFW or NSFW if the created artwork has nowhere to be seen. I have many of the items from creators here and they do great stuff. I understand you also have a bottom line. But does that mean the Sistine Chapel has to be completely painted over because one miscreant finds something they don't like? I think not. I understand and agree with limits on things that are morbidly distasteful in every way that could very well lead to massive corporate backlash. But what was done to the creators and artists here, without even advance notice is nothing short of betrayal. But you know it doesn't matter as long as RH can keep making money off their suckers...ur...um...creators.
I have completely pulled down my entire Gallery no matter what the content was. I will not be part promoting or helping promote of a nest of Corpo bureaucrats who decide what expression is acceptable this week and what is not next week based on how the wind happens to blow because they have no spine. So until something better comes along I guess I'm done here too. Just my 2 cents.
Good Luck and thanks for the great products and inspiration.
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BeastGohanofTruth
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Mon, Jul 20There is much more going on with RH, than you or I realize, Straker.
Like peole can't use "Censorship' in this situation, when in fact RH has done like 3 DESIGN CHANGES in how many years, and not only that, the way anything can be uploaded to this site without any sort of BACKGROUND CHECKING, is probably why this situation happened.
I mean look at how many vendors are uploadign borderline garbage assets? Like clothing and items that are of low quality. Not to mention as many has sated before, they are allowing GAME RIPS to be uploaded here that should be PROHIBITED. And, top that with some posting Child Oriented Assets that are very, VERY Questionable.
If it's anyone's fault why RH is in this situation, it is the Admins' for probably not HIRING ON ENOUGH HELP to moderate what comes in and out of this site.
I'm betting, there is probably only like a handful of people running this site, which should have at least 10-20 min, and probably no where CLOSE to that.
If it's a site for your OWN stuff, is one thing to just run it yourself with maybe 1 or 2 other people, but this is not the case. This is literally a site to promote other people's work, ie to be like a Turbosquid or some other 3D Asset seller.
There are other sites that are still allowing Adult content, and they already said they are not going to ever bend to the Corpo Knee.
I think people need to just move on from this whole situation, and just let it all draw out and we will find out eventually what ACTUALLY happened.
Again, my money is on Bad management and not hiring on enough help to run this site so that questionable Vendors should never have been allowed to sell on this site, like for example, reselling FREEBIES that should stay free. Cause someone said sites have been doing that and getting in seriouis trouble, and at this point, RH maybe having that situation too.
Like peole can't use "Censorship' in this situation, when in fact RH has done like 3 DESIGN CHANGES in how many years, and not only that, the way anything can be uploaded to this site without any sort of BACKGROUND CHECKING, is probably why this situation happened.
I mean look at how many vendors are uploadign borderline garbage assets? Like clothing and items that are of low quality. Not to mention as many has sated before, they are allowing GAME RIPS to be uploaded here that should be PROHIBITED. And, top that with some posting Child Oriented Assets that are very, VERY Questionable.
If it's anyone's fault why RH is in this situation, it is the Admins' for probably not HIRING ON ENOUGH HELP to moderate what comes in and out of this site.
I'm betting, there is probably only like a handful of people running this site, which should have at least 10-20 min, and probably no where CLOSE to that.
If it's a site for your OWN stuff, is one thing to just run it yourself with maybe 1 or 2 other people, but this is not the case. This is literally a site to promote other people's work, ie to be like a Turbosquid or some other 3D Asset seller.
There are other sites that are still allowing Adult content, and they already said they are not going to ever bend to the Corpo Knee.
I think people need to just move on from this whole situation, and just let it all draw out and we will find out eventually what ACTUALLY happened.
Again, my money is on Bad management and not hiring on enough help to run this site so that questionable Vendors should never have been allowed to sell on this site, like for example, reselling FREEBIES that should stay free. Cause someone said sites have been doing that and getting in seriouis trouble, and at this point, RH maybe having that situation too.
there is blatant kitbash3d brand content being uploaded. looking for a report button for copyright infringement and guess what, the RH site doesn't have one.
pathetic
pathetic
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Pushee-Ri
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Thu, Aug 27There's a (now) tiny little link between the promo images and the title (below the line, on the right). You have to look for it with a magnifying glass... but it's there: ! REPORT
Greaseball420
Karma: 218
Fri, Aug 28They flat out don't care. Half the things on this site are flat out stolen, 80% when you include copyrighted. I wouldn't be surprised if renderhub had a 1 to 1 parity with smutbase, except everything there is free, here you get to pay a scammer for someone elses work.
Really funny that they say below that you can report it. Don't bother, I have, then they tell you only the copyright holder can ask for it to be removed so they're gonna keep helping the scammer, scam their own customers...
This guy's entire catalogue is just free copy righted things from smutbase:
https://www.renderhub.com/mattiax97
Really funny that they say below that you can report it. Don't bother, I have, then they tell you only the copyright holder can ask for it to be removed so they're gonna keep helping the scammer, scam their own customers...
This guy's entire catalogue is just free copy righted things from smutbase:
https://www.renderhub.com/mattiax97
Pushee-Ri
Karma: 52,131
Fri, Aug 28@Greaseball420
I'm a little skeptical about your description. I don't mean that in a negative way—it's just... let's call it common sense or better: Empirical value. But if things were actually the way you describe them, that would be quite a shame.
I'm a little skeptical about your description. I don't mean that in a negative way—it's just... let's call it common sense or better: Empirical value. But if things were actually the way you describe them, that would be quite a shame.
3Digital
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Fri, Aug 28@Tenserknot
If you suspect copyright infringement *on any website*, all you have to do is let the copyright owner know so they can file a DMCA takedown notice.
And your claim that "the RH site doesn't have one" is simply not true.
RenderHub does have easy ways to report infringement. There is a report button on every product page, and there's a DMCA Notice link in the footer on every page of the website.
If you suspect copyright infringement *on any website*, all you have to do is let the copyright owner know so they can file a DMCA takedown notice.
And your claim that "the RH site doesn't have one" is simply not true.
RenderHub does have easy ways to report infringement. There is a report button on every product page, and there's a DMCA Notice link in the footer on every page of the website.
3Digital
Karma: 1,840
Fri, Aug 28@Pushee-Ri
I had no problem finding the report button. I've used it several times. It's exactly where I'd expect it to be - in the same spot many other sites have it.
If you want to complain about not being able to find a report button, go check out DeviantArt. Theirs is hidden behind a "three dots" menu. You actually have to click that to figure out how to report something.
I had no problem finding the report button. I've used it several times. It's exactly where I'd expect it to be - in the same spot many other sites have it.
If you want to complain about not being able to find a report button, go check out DeviantArt. Theirs is hidden behind a "three dots" menu. You actually have to click that to figure out how to report something.
3Digital
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Fri, Aug 28@Greaseball420
How could you possibly know *for sure* that something is stolen content?
How could you possibly know *for sure* that someone doesn't have permission to post the content?
How could you possibly know *for sure* that someone isn't posting their own content using a different username?
There are many reasons why it's not safe to assume things like this. And that's exactly why only the copyright holder can file a DMCA takedown notice. Because they're the only one who knows *for sure*.
RenderHub didn't invent the DMCA procedure, but they sure as heck need to follow it.
How could you possibly know *for sure* that something is stolen content?
How could you possibly know *for sure* that someone doesn't have permission to post the content?
How could you possibly know *for sure* that someone isn't posting their own content using a different username?
There are many reasons why it's not safe to assume things like this. And that's exactly why only the copyright holder can file a DMCA takedown notice. Because they're the only one who knows *for sure*.
RenderHub didn't invent the DMCA procedure, but they sure as heck need to follow it.
3Digital
Karma: 1,840
Fri, Aug 28@Greaseball420
One other piece of advice... You're making some pretty bold accusations against RenderHub.
Quote: "Half the things on this site are flat out stolen, 80% when you include copyrighted".
Do you have proof that your claims are true? If not, you should probably consider retracting your statements.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/defamation
One other piece of advice... You're making some pretty bold accusations against RenderHub.
Quote: "Half the things on this site are flat out stolen, 80% when you include copyrighted".
Do you have proof that your claims are true? If not, you should probably consider retracting your statements.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/defamation
Pushee-Ri
Karma: 52,131
Fri, Aug 28@3Digital
Beg pardon?
Did I write somewhere that I personally had trouble finding the link??? So I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with your snide remark.
Beg pardon?
Did I write somewhere that I personally had trouble finding the link??? So I don't know what you're trying to accomplish with your snide remark.
3Digital
Karma: 1,840
Fri, Aug 28Really? LOL
Your words above: "You have to look for it with a magnifying glass".
Your words above: "You have to look for it with a magnifying glass".
Greaseball420
Karma: 218
Sat, Aug 29@3Digital
So, you're saying kitbash set up an account and started selling their assets at a discount on renderhub under a random name? Or that 40 different artist from smut base share a renderhub account to sell their products that are illegal to sell? Or is it suddenly not true that half of the things on the store are from trademarked IPs?
Btw you can actually lose that DMCA protection (section 230) if you KNOWINGLY ALLOW COPYRIGHTED THINGS TO BE SOLD ON YOUR WEBSITE.
None of that is really relevant though. This is about the platform not protecting their own customers. legal or not, its a shitty, SHITTY practice to facilitate the scamming of your paying customers.
So, you're saying kitbash set up an account and started selling their assets at a discount on renderhub under a random name? Or that 40 different artist from smut base share a renderhub account to sell their products that are illegal to sell? Or is it suddenly not true that half of the things on the store are from trademarked IPs?
Btw you can actually lose that DMCA protection (section 230) if you KNOWINGLY ALLOW COPYRIGHTED THINGS TO BE SOLD ON YOUR WEBSITE.
None of that is really relevant though. This is about the platform not protecting their own customers. legal or not, its a shitty, SHITTY practice to facilitate the scamming of your paying customers.
Greaseball420
Karma: 218
Sat, Aug 29@3Digital
btw, you should read up on the law some more.
https://www.virginiadefamationlawyer.com/rhetorical-hyperbole-is-not-defamation/
btw, you should read up on the law some more.
https://www.virginiadefamationlawyer.com/rhetorical-hyperbole-is-not-defamation/
3Digital
Karma: 1,840
Sat, Aug 29@Greaseball420
Nope. That's not what I said at all.
And LOL. Did YOU actually read the article you linked? If you did, you'd realize it doesn't help your case one bit.
The author explicitly writes that rhetorical hyperbole only applies to statements that "cannot reasonably be interpreted as stating actual facts" and are "not susceptible of being proven true or false."
You stated specific, mathematical claims as fact. Those statements can absolutely be proven true or false.
So the question remains: Do you have proof that your claims are true?
Nope. That's not what I said at all.
And LOL. Did YOU actually read the article you linked? If you did, you'd realize it doesn't help your case one bit.
The author explicitly writes that rhetorical hyperbole only applies to statements that "cannot reasonably be interpreted as stating actual facts" and are "not susceptible of being proven true or false."
You stated specific, mathematical claims as fact. Those statements can absolutely be proven true or false.
So the question remains: Do you have proof that your claims are true?
I propose we change it to this to avoid the need to use a magnifying glass.
Feedback welcome...
Feedback welcome...
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Luxe Muse
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Thu, Aug 27I think same font, size, and location, but red and bold, should be enough.
Pushee-Ri
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Thu, Aug 27Haha... very funny and creative - NOT!
If the 'Report' button were that easy to find... then why can I remember at least two occasions when I had to explain here where to find it?
But well...
The much more important issue, however, is: How are copyright infringements or violations of personality rights reported? Can a regular user do that... or can only the copyright holders or the holders of personality rights do so?
I'm talking about game rips, look-alike models, and the use of large portions of the original DAZ3D mesh for clothing.
If the 'Report' button were that easy to find... then why can I remember at least two occasions when I had to explain here where to find it?
But well...
The much more important issue, however, is: How are copyright infringements or violations of personality rights reported? Can a regular user do that... or can only the copyright holders or the holders of personality rights do so?
I'm talking about game rips, look-alike models, and the use of large portions of the original DAZ3D mesh for clothing.
DoroThee237
Karma: 19,094
Fri, Aug 28Reporting also amounts to making an accusation. Therefore, the person reporting a copyright infringement must prove that their report is justified.
Pushee-Ri
Karma: 52,131
Fri, Aug 28@Doro
In cases of copyright infringement against DAZ3D (mesh copies), you obviously have to have purchased the product first. But what happens next? Can you, as a user, report it... or does DAZ3D have to do that?
In cases of copyright infringement against DAZ3D (mesh copies), you obviously have to have purchased the product first. But what happens next? Can you, as a user, report it... or does DAZ3D have to do that?
3Digital
Karma: 1,840
Fri, Aug 28@Pushee-Ri
Aren't you the one who likes to rely on a "quick Google search"?
Here, I'll help you out:
https://www.google.com/search?q=How+are+copyright+infringements+or+violations+of+personality+rights+reported
Aren't you the one who likes to rely on a "quick Google search"?
Here, I'll help you out:
https://www.google.com/search?q=How+are+copyright+infringements+or+violations+of+personality+rights+reported
Luxe Muse
Karma: 8,873
Fri, Aug 28Back to, on topic though, design, the report feature. I think RH UI is very clean, and should stay that way. I would either move the report somewhere out of the way of the product (right pane, etc), or just live it as is and make it bold, or red.,
The less distractions in the way of the product, the better.
The less distractions in the way of the product, the better.
Pushee-Ri
Karma: 52,131
Fri, Aug 28@Luxe
I have a (possibly false) memory that the link used to look exactly like that: red, bold, and with a background. After all, it’s just a CSS button that can be colored however you like. But since it’s becoming increasingly clear that the button is pointless when it comes to copyright violations, I don’t really care anymore… and neither do I care about those dumb jokes at my expense. I'd rather come up with the jokes myself—that way, at least they have a little wit
I have a (possibly false) memory that the link used to look exactly like that: red, bold, and with a background. After all, it’s just a CSS button that can be colored however you like. But since it’s becoming increasingly clear that the button is pointless when it comes to copyright violations, I don’t really care anymore… and neither do I care about those dumb jokes at my expense. I'd rather come up with the jokes myself—that way, at least they have a little wit
guy91600
Karma: 20,575
Fri, Aug 28@Pushee-Ri and @Luxe
Une blague qui ne fonctionne qu'en français:
N'achetez plus de tissus écossais. écossez-les vous-mêmes !...
Francis Blanche
Une blague qui ne fonctionne qu'en français:
N'achetez plus de tissus écossais. écossez-les vous-mêmes !...
Francis Blanche
Luxe Muse
Karma: 8,873
Fri, Aug 28Hi, hi, hi.
I'm just trying to prevent everyone from seen a red button, boys, but I must admit, I'm illiterate when it come to websites code and stuff.
I'm just trying to prevent everyone from seen a red button, boys, but I must admit, I'm illiterate when it come to websites code and stuff.
RenderHub
Admin: 35,776
Fri, Aug 28For any copyright issues on the site: https://www.renderhub.com/info/dmca-notice
