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First there was one spamming the gallery with one kind of a sci-fi genre, now the next one spamming the gallery, 14 times the same background, 14 girls, so nothing special, no work included, but hey, every posted render gives Karma.
This is so annoying!
This is so annoying!
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Happens when You incentivize something. O.o What does Karma Do anyway?
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Beautiful Misfits
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Fri, Jan 24As far as I know, the only thing one can do after reaching a special amount of Karma, is giving Rocket Boost, otherwise, I really don't know.
Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Jan 25There's one thing Baeutiful Misfits and MKDAWUSS forgot:
if you've collected enough karma, there will be a line break at some point
Have a nice weekend
if you've collected enough karma, there will be a line break at some point
Have a nice weekend
Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Jan 25True, but until that point we will have many more times people coming here and posting too many render at once *sigh*
Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Jan 25Ahhh ... uhhhh: the little person who otherwise translates for me at DeepL has been dreaming again....
The point is that - if the number is long enough - a line break is created - perhaps this will give the person pleasure and joy
The point is that - if the number is long enough - a line break is created - perhaps this will give the person pleasure and joy
Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Jan 25My answer to that is under your other post.
There won't ever be enough pleasure and joy, if they don't get their "drug".
There won't ever be enough pleasure and joy, if they don't get their "drug".
kwerkx
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Sat, Jan 25More than rocket ships.. Karma provides the illusion of legitimacy or an unearned reputation in terms of marketplace credibility. Someone with high karma might get away with premium pricing.. but I like my rocket ships!
Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Jan 25Premium pricing?
Never heard of that.
Maybe I should hunt for karma as well *lol*
The rockets are fine, nothing against those. But it should be another way to give rockets, without posting render like a maniac.
Never heard of that.
Maybe I should hunt for karma as well *lol*
The rockets are fine, nothing against those. But it should be another way to give rockets, without posting render like a maniac.
kwerkx
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Sat, Jan 25Lots and lots of likes, that's how I got my rockets.
Sorry, premium pricing is just me saying charge more.. someone with 8k karma asking $10 for a product vs someone with 0 Karma asking $10. I'm suggesting more Karma makes the seller look more established is all.
Sorry, premium pricing is just me saying charge more.. someone with 8k karma asking $10 for a product vs someone with 0 Karma asking $10. I'm suggesting more Karma makes the seller look more established is all.
Beautiful Misfits
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Sun, Jan 26Got it with the price now.
It's possible, but if people really would ask for more money, only because they have a high karma?
Well, everything is possible.
It's possible, but if people really would ask for more money, only because they have a high karma?
Well, everything is possible.
I sometimes can get on a run, but I do try to make sure I'm not flooding the gallery when I do. If I'm hogging 2 entire rows, I've definitely overdone it and need to save some for everyone else.
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Beautiful Misfits
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Fri, Jan 24Maybe sometimes, but your render are always different, there is always work included and not this "1 background 1 changing girl and 1 changing pose and cloth".
This is boring, this is just filling every single place for nothing but a stupid karma point.
If these Karma points are only good so one can give Rocket Boosts, there must be another way to solve that.
It feels like in school, first grade: Oh you did fine, you get a star *doooooh*
This is boring, this is just filling every single place for nothing but a stupid karma point.
If these Karma points are only good so one can give Rocket Boosts, there must be another way to solve that.
It feels like in school, first grade: Oh you did fine, you get a star *doooooh*
MKDAWUSS
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Fri, Jan 24Some do use the gallery as ad space for the marketplace. I think some use RBs for similar purposes. At least that's a bit more subtle. RBs are also a bit OSFA when it comes to giving awards to renders. You don't know if that RB you got is because it's really a great image or if it's because it uses a specific product (or both, in the event it happens to be a great image that just happens to use a specific product).
One instance I ended up doing a "same render from multiple takes" set that took up multiple gallery slots because that was back before you could put multiple images in 1 upload.
One instance I ended up doing a "same render from multiple takes" set that took up multiple gallery slots because that was back before you could put multiple images in 1 upload.
Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Jan 25I get it for the purpose of selling something. But even the vendors here aren't flooding the gallery like crazy.
And as you mentioned, we now have the possibility, so if one wanna post 15 times the almost same render, well, now anyone could ... if only they would, cause that wouldn't give them the karma points they are hunting for.
And as you mentioned, we now have the possibility, so if one wanna post 15 times the almost same render, well, now anyone could ... if only they would, cause that wouldn't give them the karma points they are hunting for.
VulcanStarDrives
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Sat, Jan 25@MKDAWUSS That's largely how I feel about it, R-H is first and foremost a marketplace-the bit that keeps the lights on-so I try to add to that whenever I can, because I like this place, the culture and people here. Pushing out vendor posts or even WIP (potential future vendors) by mass posting just feels like a bit of a faux pas to me.
Oh dear - you speak so much from my soul that I could give you a hug
I don't mind when someone tries to fish for likes (you know my stance on that) - but what really annoys me is what I call SWAMPING (become marshy):
The gallery usually sparkles and shines with a wide variety of ideas, approaches and experiments - sometimes interesting, sometimes unusual, sometimes inspiring ... but always beautiful.
The gallery flooding ruins everything and the sparkling disappears under a uniform and in the thumbnail view deadly boring and dreary gray mud (even if the flooding is colored).
I once had a similar thread and suggested possibly adding rules or limits - but rules suck. It would be nicer if the Flooder / Like Fischer / Karma Hunter had a little more impulse control ... or simply thought and acted a little more fairly.
Perhaps your thread will help one or two people to turn on their heads before the mouse button clicks.
I don't mind when someone tries to fish for likes (you know my stance on that) - but what really annoys me is what I call SWAMPING (become marshy):
The gallery usually sparkles and shines with a wide variety of ideas, approaches and experiments - sometimes interesting, sometimes unusual, sometimes inspiring ... but always beautiful.
The gallery flooding ruins everything and the sparkling disappears under a uniform and in the thumbnail view deadly boring and dreary gray mud (even if the flooding is colored).
I once had a similar thread and suggested possibly adding rules or limits - but rules suck. It would be nicer if the Flooder / Like Fischer / Karma Hunter had a little more impulse control ... or simply thought and acted a little more fairly.
Perhaps your thread will help one or two people to turn on their heads before the mouse button clicks.
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Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Jan 25Thanks
I doubt, that more rules would change something, but maybe removing one rule, this "get enough karma so you can give a rocket boost".
I doubt, that more rules would change something, but maybe removing one rule, this "get enough karma so you can give a rocket boost".
Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Jan 25Like I said, rules suck - I agree .... but do you really think flooding is all about the rockets?
It's hard for me to imagine, and somewhere in my gut it feels wrong when I try to use it as an explanation (thought silently ... or said out loud
Personally, I think it's more likely to be something else, such as a lack of reflection, possibly a somewhat over-inflated self-image ... or even something Freudian: mine is bigger than Dad's (the list of pictures, mind you).
Anyway - it's annoying, I agree with you once again
It's hard for me to imagine, and somewhere in my gut it feels wrong when I try to use it as an explanation (thought silently ... or said out loud
Personally, I think it's more likely to be something else, such as a lack of reflection, possibly a somewhat over-inflated self-image ... or even something Freudian: mine is bigger than Dad's (the list of pictures, mind you).
Anyway - it's annoying, I agree with you once again
Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Jan 25Yes, you've mentioned a fact I wasn't thinking about.
The dopamine, more render, more possibilities for likes and a comment and the dopamine level raises.
Poor people who need this dopamine kick. Like on fb, don't forget this freaking hearts, for heavens sake, many, many hearts.
"Thanks" for fb we got these "likes" cause they figured out, people stay much longer on the page, when they just could give a stupid thumbs up/like/star/heart whatsoever instead of writing something.
And with that fb created thousands of dopamine addicts.
The dopamine, more render, more possibilities for likes and a comment and the dopamine level raises.
Poor people who need this dopamine kick. Like on fb, don't forget this freaking hearts, for heavens sake, many, many hearts.
"Thanks" for fb we got these "likes" cause they figured out, people stay much longer on the page, when they just could give a stupid thumbs up/like/star/heart whatsoever instead of writing something.
And with that fb created thousands of dopamine addicts.
MKDAWUSS
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Sat, Jan 25Gotta chase those likes, rockets, karma, comments, and other means of keeping interactive score.
Some are far more aggressive about it than others.
Some are far more aggressive about it than others.
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I can't comment on what you're discussing, but I sure wish they would do something to deal with the dishonest A.I. users out there who are posting what are clearly A.I. augmented works and not being honest about it. There's a guy in the gallery who's products are nothing above average, yet he's posting A.I. augmented stills and animations of them in his gallery, sapping-up praise from everyone he's fooled, and hasn't come clean once.
As if the dishonesty were not enough, he's even ramped-up the prices of his products to insane levels after previously generating ratings at normal prices. No doubt to make people think that price has something to do with the products he sells.
I don't want to sound nasty or bitter, but we need to remember that there are genuinely talented people all over the world who openly state they've lost the will to live because of all this A.I. bullshit. If I were RenderHub I'd ban this dishonest opportunist immediately and remove every peice of work he ever posted to the gallery. I'm not kidding, the amount of "Karma" and "Rocket Ships" he's accumulating over this dishonest bullshit, has to be seen to be believed.
These types make my skin crawl. And while I've been tempted every single time he does it, to call him out about it right there in the gallery comments, I've not done so and won't be doing so. I won't be exposing his username either.
But do be aware that there exists a growing amount of A.I. augmentation systems that take 3D models or even a series of pre-rendered stills, and build the animation around it in conjunction with prompting. There's a whole bunch of this tech out there now, and he certainly IS using it.
There's not a single animation he uploaded that doesn't give away the fact that it's A.I. augmented if you know what to look for. I've spotted everything from classic A.I. surface blending to finger position morphing, and just about every other give-away you can think of. But you have to wonder what a state society will be in when it gets to the point where dishonest opportunists like him are able to practice such dishonesty using technology that can no longer be identified as A.I. even though it is - because what happens then?
We're already at a point where they have A.I. detection systems that wrongly categorise NON-A.I. as A.I. and this will get proportionally worse as A.I.gets better and better and better!
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Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Jan 25This is weird now, I know, I answered already but it's gone.
Ok, in short, use the report button on every singe ai you find. They are pretty fast with deleting them asap
Ok, in short, use the report button on every singe ai you find. They are pretty fast with deleting them asap
COMIXIANT
Sorry about that, BM. It was probably my fault because I deleted and reposted multiple times before I had corrected all the typos in my post. It probably took your reply along with it. There's no 'Edit' button on here so it's the only way to get around it, and even then you can't do that on indented reply posts.
So do you mean they have a no A.I. allowed policy for the gallery?
If so, then I dread to think how many of this guy's uploads would need removing. I'm not getting into that though. I've never clicked on a 'Report' button in my life and I'm not about to start. It's just the way I am, I don't even do that with known enemies. I much prefer to leave people to create their own demise and I can't imagine he'll get away with it for much longer anyway.
Eventually people will come across the same A.I. process he is using, and realise what a digracefully dishonest character he is.
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Sat, Jan 25Sorry about that, BM. It was probably my fault because I deleted and reposted multiple times before I had corrected all the typos in my post. It probably took your reply along with it. There's no 'Edit' button on here so it's the only way to get around it, and even then you can't do that on indented reply posts.
So do you mean they have a no A.I. allowed policy for the gallery?
If so, then I dread to think how many of this guy's uploads would need removing. I'm not getting into that though. I've never clicked on a 'Report' button in my life and I'm not about to start. It's just the way I am, I don't even do that with known enemies. I much prefer to leave people to create their own demise and I can't imagine he'll get away with it for much longer anyway.
Eventually people will come across the same A.I. process he is using, and realise what a digracefully dishonest character he is.
Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Jan 25That makes sense, when you delete a post, mine will be gone as well.
And not being able to edit, sorry Admins, but it SUCKS!
Yes, they have the NO-AI policy here and believe me, when I see a picture that obviously is AI, I report.
If we don't, and with we I mean all the users here; who shall?
We need to stick and work together, otherwise AI would overrun us, even here.
And don't bother about mistakes, it happens to anyone of us, we aren't perfect and making mistakes is human
And not being able to edit, sorry Admins, but it SUCKS!
Yes, they have the NO-AI policy here and believe me, when I see a picture that obviously is AI, I report.
If we don't, and with we I mean all the users here; who shall?
We need to stick and work together, otherwise AI would overrun us, even here.
And don't bother about mistakes, it happens to anyone of us, we aren't perfect and making mistakes is human
Pushee-Ri
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Sat, Jan 25@COMIXIANT:
Yep - no generative AI here at Renderhub (thanks to all living and dead gods). There was also a great contest with first-class results:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/3934/renderhub-no-ai-logo-design-contest
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/4263/no-ai-logo-design-contest-winners-announced
Yep - no generative AI here at Renderhub (thanks to all living and dead gods). There was also a great contest with first-class results:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/3934/renderhub-no-ai-logo-design-contest
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/4263/no-ai-logo-design-contest-winners-announced
COMIXIANT
Expecting me to report him is a bit like expecting me to wear makeup; it feels like a very feminine thing to do and I won't be doing it. Reporting him would feel like a form of rataliation on my part, and I only ever retaliate to those who pose a direct threat to me. This however is just some dishonest opportunist posting in the gallery who will eventually be found out once the technology becomes more widely known.
There can't be that many people posting super-realistic animations of pinups, so perhaps one of the ladies on here will suss who I'm talking about. I spotted just now that Beautiful Misfits has been fooled by one of his animations, too, so it sholuldn't take too much detective work to nail him if leaving a comment on gallery images is recorded on your account somewhere.
So I'm with you on wanting to see him nailed for his dishonesty (I wouldn't have brought it up otherwise). But should you decide to go that route then I would strongly advise against publicly outing the name of the artist.
All I will say is that if you carefully observe the animations he posts that people are drooling over, you will find numerous give-aways as to how his figures are being animated and brought to life. I suppose the reason he's gotten away with it for so long is because the figures he's animating are his own, figures he sells on here. And the pinups he posts are wearing clothes that are likely familiar with Genesis users. But as pointed out, there now exists A.I. augmentation systems that take video, stills and 3D models. as input. It then rigs the model all by itself, matches it to the still or video you provide, and makes it move based on your prompt to guide it with facial expression etc.
These systems output very impressive (but not yet impressive enough) animation results. But observe the fingers and you'll often see them morphing and even changing length. Observe other characters in his scenes and you will see the classic 'vacant stare' where they're not actually looking where they're meant to be looking. Observe the movement of skin and you will often see the classic A.I. surface-blending method being used to simulate folds.
As for RenderHub having a 'No A.I. Allowed' policy for the galleries ... WOW ... a big thumbs-up to you for that one, RenderHub!!!
Honestly, I never thought I'd see the day where a CG-based business would take that stance!
It's refreshing to see and you truly deserve a medal for it!
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Sat, Jan 25Expecting me to report him is a bit like expecting me to wear makeup; it feels like a very feminine thing to do and I won't be doing it. Reporting him would feel like a form of rataliation on my part, and I only ever retaliate to those who pose a direct threat to me. This however is just some dishonest opportunist posting in the gallery who will eventually be found out once the technology becomes more widely known.
There can't be that many people posting super-realistic animations of pinups, so perhaps one of the ladies on here will suss who I'm talking about. I spotted just now that Beautiful Misfits has been fooled by one of his animations, too, so it sholuldn't take too much detective work to nail him if leaving a comment on gallery images is recorded on your account somewhere.
So I'm with you on wanting to see him nailed for his dishonesty (I wouldn't have brought it up otherwise). But should you decide to go that route then I would strongly advise against publicly outing the name of the artist.
All I will say is that if you carefully observe the animations he posts that people are drooling over, you will find numerous give-aways as to how his figures are being animated and brought to life. I suppose the reason he's gotten away with it for so long is because the figures he's animating are his own, figures he sells on here. And the pinups he posts are wearing clothes that are likely familiar with Genesis users. But as pointed out, there now exists A.I. augmentation systems that take video, stills and 3D models. as input. It then rigs the model all by itself, matches it to the still or video you provide, and makes it move based on your prompt to guide it with facial expression etc.
These systems output very impressive (but not yet impressive enough) animation results. But observe the fingers and you'll often see them morphing and even changing length. Observe other characters in his scenes and you will see the classic 'vacant stare' where they're not actually looking where they're meant to be looking. Observe the movement of skin and you will often see the classic A.I. surface-blending method being used to simulate folds.
As for RenderHub having a 'No A.I. Allowed' policy for the galleries ... WOW ... a big thumbs-up to you for that one, RenderHub!!!
Honestly, I never thought I'd see the day where a CG-based business would take that stance!
It's refreshing to see and you truly deserve a medal for it!
Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Jan 25*lol* ok, the way you wrote it, is reporting a feminine thing 
Reporting is anonymous, so I don't see a problem with that.
And since I don't know a thing about animations, not done in Poser nor done in daz studio, really would break my fingers by trying it.
But I know that Anabran has posted a huge animation pack here: https://www.renderhub.com/forum/8423/free-2700-bespoke-bvh-animations-for-daz-genesis-8
And I really can't tell, if an animation is done with AI or something else.
I know at least one other page with a very strict NO-AI policy, no business page, but just for artists and since I don't know if it's ok to put a link to the page, I can tell the name cara
Reporting is anonymous, so I don't see a problem with that.
And since I don't know a thing about animations, not done in Poser nor done in daz studio, really would break my fingers by trying it.
But I know that Anabran has posted a huge animation pack here: https://www.renderhub.com/forum/8423/free-2700-bespoke-bvh-animations-for-daz-genesis-8
And I really can't tell, if an animation is done with AI or something else.
I know at least one other page with a very strict NO-AI policy, no business page, but just for artists and since I don't know if it's ok to put a link to the page, I can tell the name cara
MKDAWUSS
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Sat, Jan 25"And I really can't tell, if an animation is done with AI or something else."
AI animations can have an unnatural movement about them. Not in a stiff way like some handmade (no mocap) animations can be. This is in addition to some of the usual AI tells like hands and certain facial expressions.
AI animations can have an unnatural movement about them. Not in a stiff way like some handmade (no mocap) animations can be. This is in addition to some of the usual AI tells like hands and certain facial expressions.
Beautiful Misfits
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Sat, Jan 25I think I have to watch some, so I can see.
In most of the cases I can tell that it's AI with still pictures and I really could puke, when I see, that pictures, clearly made with AI like cute puppies or kitten, are sold at Renderosity. Other backgrounds as well, with so many mistakes only an AI can make, but Rendo is selling them. I feel so sorry for everyone spending money for something they can find in millions now online anywhere.
In most of the cases I can tell that it's AI with still pictures and I really could puke, when I see, that pictures, clearly made with AI like cute puppies or kitten, are sold at Renderosity. Other backgrounds as well, with so many mistakes only an AI can make, but Rendo is selling them. I feel so sorry for everyone spending money for something they can find in millions now online anywhere.
Pinspotter
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Wed, Jan 29Ok, didn't think I would need to clear this up, but here's a link to licensing of Mixamo animations:
https://community.adobe.com/t5/mixamo-discussions/mixamo-faq-licensing-royalties-ownership-eula-and-tos/td-p/13234775
Take from that what you will, but there's more than one guilty party in this particular discussion. Distribution is nine-tenths of the law. While I am a big fan of Creative Commons and Copyleft, I can't change the laws single-handedly. You cannot distribute the raw files. Period. Use the animations for your own projects free without attribution (until Adobe pulls the rug).
Yes, I know that Mixamo no longer supports BVH but there's still a distribution issue here.
https://community.adobe.com/t5/mixamo-discussions/mixamo-faq-licensing-royalties-ownership-eula-and-tos/td-p/13234775
Take from that what you will, but there's more than one guilty party in this particular discussion. Distribution is nine-tenths of the law. While I am a big fan of Creative Commons and Copyleft, I can't change the laws single-handedly. You cannot distribute the raw files. Period. Use the animations for your own projects free without attribution (until Adobe pulls the rug).
Yes, I know that Mixamo no longer supports BVH but there's still a distribution issue here.
Beautiful Misfits
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Wed, Jan 29Thanks, even though I for sure will never use this animation stuff, I'm happy, when I get a decent render done that looks good. I won't even try to animate.
Having just read that I am a woman because I have reported Child Porn several times, I bid farewell to this thread with the wise words of PasahRi:
X is nix fuer'n grips und rechts-aussen sind draussen
Ciao bella
X is nix fuer'n grips und rechts-aussen sind draussen
Ciao bella
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Sun, Jan 26*lol* yes, I think it makes many of us to a woman, if we are or not
COMIXIANT
BM, I have replied to your private message, my apologies for the dealy since I only just saw it.
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Sun, Jan 26BM, I have replied to your private message, my apologies for the dealy since I only just saw it.
COMIXIANT
*delay.
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Sun, Jan 26*delay.
Pinspotter
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Tue, Jan 28I've had people attack me on Facebook, calling me a misogynist for posting a toon character in a Santa outfit posing on the floor with giant presents and ornaments "but anyway"
I've had DAZ Studio "vendors" threaten me with libel and tried to get me banned on DeviantArt. And I've been permabanned from Pinterest for literally unknown reasons. Meanwhile Facebook chops up my livestreams because I am bowling in a local bowling center and it happens to be playing a music playlist. At this point I wouldn't shed a tear if all this online nonsense would go up in smoke.
I'm not a big fan of reporting systems and algorithms. And it's rare that I report anyone. Usually, the actions of others will catch up to them with time. I am a fan of moderation tools, Bluesky probably has the best toolset for that sort of thing. Common sense filtering and moderation is something every service should implement. Of course, almost nobody out there wants to pay a real staff to properly moderate. They'd rather let AI handle the job and let it be the hammer that treats everything as if it were a nail.
So as people, we *have to* be careful and not jump the gun. I would not have handled this as well as others. I'd have been ready to choke slam someone. I am battle-hardened when it comes to online stuff and I don't take any crap.
I've had DAZ Studio "vendors" threaten me with libel and tried to get me banned on DeviantArt. And I've been permabanned from Pinterest for literally unknown reasons. Meanwhile Facebook chops up my livestreams because I am bowling in a local bowling center and it happens to be playing a music playlist. At this point I wouldn't shed a tear if all this online nonsense would go up in smoke.
I'm not a big fan of reporting systems and algorithms. And it's rare that I report anyone. Usually, the actions of others will catch up to them with time. I am a fan of moderation tools, Bluesky probably has the best toolset for that sort of thing. Common sense filtering and moderation is something every service should implement. Of course, almost nobody out there wants to pay a real staff to properly moderate. They'd rather let AI handle the job and let it be the hammer that treats everything as if it were a nail.
So as people, we *have to* be careful and not jump the gun. I would not have handled this as well as others. I'd have been ready to choke slam someone. I am battle-hardened when it comes to online stuff and I don't take any crap.
the joker of spades
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Wed, Jan 29I'm curious how you got to the ciao bella in Italian? Italian is the language of poets, great artists and great classical music, it shouldn't be wasted in posts where children argue pointlessly without meaning, I'm curious, now that bad artists for adults (that's only 5% of my work) are adequately censored and others like me have decided not to post anymore... is the gallery much more interesting?
Pinspotter
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Wed, Jan 29Had you translated the phrase, you'd have understood why it was said in the context of what's been discussed in the thread. I shouldn't and will not translate it for you. It went way over your head, to be frank.
Once again I assume that pretty much everyone online shares the median I.Q. Mea culpa!
Once again I assume that pretty much everyone online shares the median I.Q. Mea culpa!
Beautiful Misfits
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Wed, Jan 29To your longer post above.
If everyone tried to get you banned, it should be a reason to be proud, cause it shows, that they see you as a strong competition
Beside that, it must be so damn tiring to have all these fights. Because people are jealous or for what ever reason.
That's why I usual don't fight anymore, it's too exhausting and I'm still far away from my old strength and I know, it will take many more months, if not over a year. So all my efforts are just and only for me to get back up on my feet again.
About reporting, if I see obvious pedophile stuff, I hit the report button without even thinking, children are too precious and need protection, even if it's "only" 3d, cause no one knows, what's behind the 3d world of such persons.
I think, real moderators are a "must have", I had some, when I was running a forum (in times before fb and other "social" platforms).
Not much needed back then, it seems, people had a lot more sanity and were much friendlier, and not this *memememememe* like 99% of all people are now, doesn't matter if in real life or online.
If everyone tried to get you banned, it should be a reason to be proud, cause it shows, that they see you as a strong competition
Beside that, it must be so damn tiring to have all these fights. Because people are jealous or for what ever reason.
That's why I usual don't fight anymore, it's too exhausting and I'm still far away from my old strength and I know, it will take many more months, if not over a year. So all my efforts are just and only for me to get back up on my feet again.
About reporting, if I see obvious pedophile stuff, I hit the report button without even thinking, children are too precious and need protection, even if it's "only" 3d, cause no one knows, what's behind the 3d world of such persons.
I think, real moderators are a "must have", I had some, when I was running a forum (in times before fb and other "social" platforms).
Not much needed back then, it seems, people had a lot more sanity and were much friendlier, and not this *memememememe* like 99% of all people are now, doesn't matter if in real life or online.
the joker of spades
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Wed, Jan 29I translated and followed the conversation, but my question was about something else, another person and not this post... anyone who has no respect for women does not deserve my time or my words, I was just curious about the sentence in Italian and since we were talking about the gallery I asked another question, and for no reason you answered in an offensive and impolite way, I don't know who you are in the slightest and I don't even care, but try to be more polite and respectful towards other people and don't butt in on a question referring to others, from your behavior it's clear that yours is the only limited brain
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Wed, Jan 29@Joker:
I may have bowed out of this thread - but as PasahRi I can answer your question (after all, I have a condo in Pushee-Ri's head)
The text is not Italian, but close: German
I was a bit p-x-ssed off by the stupid things some people say here - and I can place the attitude on the right (Deep State, Freedom of Speech, and all that other right sh-x-t). And since a well-known platform has been turned into a cesspool by E.M., on which exactly this opinion drifts like poop in real life, we come to the first part of the Italian sentence:
X is nix fuer'n grips: Plays a bit with German slang - nix = nothing ... so X does nothing for the brain
And the second part is also simple: rechts-aussen = far right = rights better stay outside (otherwise Pushee-Ri will come with the roof batten
Have a nice day .... and Ciao, Bello
I may have bowed out of this thread - but as PasahRi I can answer your question (after all, I have a condo in Pushee-Ri's head)
The text is not Italian, but close: German
I was a bit p-x-ssed off by the stupid things some people say here - and I can place the attitude on the right (Deep State, Freedom of Speech, and all that other right sh-x-t). And since a well-known platform has been turned into a cesspool by E.M., on which exactly this opinion drifts like poop in real life, we come to the first part of the Italian sentence:
X is nix fuer'n grips: Plays a bit with German slang - nix = nothing ... so X does nothing for the brain
And the second part is also simple: rechts-aussen = far right = rights better stay outside (otherwise Pushee-Ri will come with the roof batten
Have a nice day .... and Ciao, Bello
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I don't know what happened in this thread while I slept, but I'm confused by all the chaos today and am still trying to work it out.
But just incase it has anything to do with me, rest assured that Beautiful Misfits and I have sorted it out in private. It was really just a misunderstanding of what was meant by the use of a certain word. Beautiful Misfits is not a native English speaker whereas I am. But I sometimes use slang terms and they can often mean VERY different things - lol!!!
When I used the term "nail" in relation to the dishonest opportunist we were discussing, I was using it purely as slang for "catch out".
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Wed, Jan 29I don't know what happened in this thread while I slept, but I'm confused by all the chaos today and am still trying to work it out.
But just incase it has anything to do with me, rest assured that Beautiful Misfits and I have sorted it out in private. It was really just a misunderstanding of what was meant by the use of a certain word. Beautiful Misfits is not a native English speaker whereas I am. But I sometimes use slang terms and they can often mean VERY different things - lol!!!
When I used the term "nail" in relation to the dishonest opportunist we were discussing, I was using it purely as slang for "catch out".
the joker of spades
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Wed, Jan 29no problem, I wasn't interested in the discussion, I just asked 2 questions, I was interested in the phrase ...ciao bella (clearly Italian) used by a non-Italian person with other non-Italian people, I didn't understand the sense of using a phrase that is incomprehensible to many, the second question, since the post started by talking about the gallery, if now they are happier with the gallery, I'm not an English speaker either and probably there were some misunderstandings... but despite this, no one has the right to attack and offend... have a good evening
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No worries, Joker. However I would just like to add that as well as being the language of great poets, writers and composers, it is also the language of Lamborghini, Designer Suits, Italian Ladies and of course, Ferrero Rocher!
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Wed, Jan 29No worries, Joker. However I would just like to add that as well as being the language of great poets, writers and composers, it is also the language of Lamborghini, Designer Suits, Italian Ladies and of course, Ferrero Rocher!
Pinspotter
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Fri, Jan 31If my response was actually "offensive" or "rude", then someone here needs to grow a thicker skin. Ciao bella literally means "bye girl" and that tracks with why the poster said it in the first place. It really doesn't take much to put two and two together. I wasn't even here to see the original offending comment and I got it......
I don't speak German or Italian and I *still* got it.
But speaking of Italian, there's also something Italians created in film called Giallo. And there's nothing great about it (unless you're a big fan of slasher films or David Lynch)
I don't speak German or Italian and I *still* got it.
But speaking of Italian, there's also something Italians created in film called Giallo. And there's nothing great about it (unless you're a big fan of slasher films or David Lynch)
PasahRi
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Fri, Jan 31@Pinspotter:
As far as I know, giallo didn't primarily mean movies, but penny dreadfuls. The first booklets - known as Il Giallo Mondadori - had a yellow (= giallo) cover. The films by Mario Bava or Lucio Fluci came a little later.
As far as I know, giallo didn't primarily mean movies, but penny dreadfuls. The first booklets - known as Il Giallo Mondadori - had a yellow (= giallo) cover. The films by Mario Bava or Lucio Fluci came a little later.
the joker of spades
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Fri, Jan 31giallo is a genre, films, books, TV series that talk about murders, investigators and mysteries are part of it (the Mondadori giallos are a good example) and since 2 + 2 equals 4 and you don't have to be a genius to understand it, I repeat that I didn't follow the entire discussion, I just asked out of curiosity about the use of ciao bella (which doesn't literally mean, hello girl, you probably translated it, but it has different uses like many Italian words and sayings) I'm not an English speaker... but I'm Italian ---- Pinspotter you didn't say anything right, I'll tell you that you're right, stay happy and have a good day, maybe go out and get some fresh air, it always does good, ciao
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As Joker points out, "Giallo" is a genre of literature and film. Personally I'd even go as far to say music, too, because Giallo is very often scored by extremely talented Italian composers.
The name "Giallo" comes from the Italian word for "Yellow". The colour yellow was very often used on the type of books and magazines that eventually went on to influence the very sophisticated and stylised work we see in good Giallo movies.
Often (wrongly) labelled as "misogyny", Giallo has no equal in terms of stylisation, cinematic technique, plot and good old-fashioned mystery. Add to that the beautiful women you just know are going to get their kit off at some point, the incredible Italian scores that often accompany them, and there's nothing to dislike about the stylish and sophisticated genre that, realistically, can only ever be labelled as a "Giallo" if it's genuinely good enough to be one.
People who know and appreciate a good Giallo, aren't the sort to sit back and see anything be labelled "Giallo" if it isn't Giallo.
That alone is indication of just how sophisticated, specific and stylistic the genre has become over the years.
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Fri, Jan 31As Joker points out, "Giallo" is a genre of literature and film. Personally I'd even go as far to say music, too, because Giallo is very often scored by extremely talented Italian composers.
The name "Giallo" comes from the Italian word for "Yellow". The colour yellow was very often used on the type of books and magazines that eventually went on to influence the very sophisticated and stylised work we see in good Giallo movies.
Often (wrongly) labelled as "misogyny", Giallo has no equal in terms of stylisation, cinematic technique, plot and good old-fashioned mystery. Add to that the beautiful women you just know are going to get their kit off at some point, the incredible Italian scores that often accompany them, and there's nothing to dislike about the stylish and sophisticated genre that, realistically, can only ever be labelled as a "Giallo" if it's genuinely good enough to be one.
People who know and appreciate a good Giallo, aren't the sort to sit back and see anything be labelled "Giallo" if it isn't Giallo.
That alone is indication of just how sophisticated, specific and stylistic the genre has become over the years.
Pinspotter
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Sun, Feb 02Giallo is not sophisticated, end of discussion. It's style over substance and that style is *very* subjective.
Pinspotter
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Sun, Feb 02Oh, and if anyone is looking for really well done design, style or fashion, it comes out of Japan. Japanese designers are second to none. For instance, the single best example of world building in film is Royal Space Force, made by Gainax (which went on to create Evangelion).
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Giallo is not sophisticated? - Well of course I strongly disagree (as would most people with a genuine appreciation for quality cinema)
Personally, I think of Giallo as a prestigious private club, where unless you fit the strict and sophisticated dress code, then it's probably not for you. But for those of us lucky (and adult) enough to get it, there awaits a life of beautiful women, fine wine, designer clothes, incredible music, exotic cars and of course, lashings and lashings of erotically-charged murder and mystery to talk about as we watch the pole dancer dance her last dance, while smoking the very finest of cigars!
And you see that fellow over there, him in the corner? Those snaps he's showing are of his latest kill. Rather notorious, that one. He's been eyeing-up tonight's pole-dancer too, so I suspect we might never see her again. That is of course unless she finds herself featured in his next set of snaps, and I suspect we willl, but let's enjoy her while we still can - shall we?
Oh and do please do forgive my appaling manners.
May I offer you a cigar, Pinspotter?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giallo
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Sun, Feb 02Giallo is not sophisticated? - Well of course I strongly disagree (as would most people with a genuine appreciation for quality cinema)
Personally, I think of Giallo as a prestigious private club, where unless you fit the strict and sophisticated dress code, then it's probably not for you. But for those of us lucky (and adult) enough to get it, there awaits a life of beautiful women, fine wine, designer clothes, incredible music, exotic cars and of course, lashings and lashings of erotically-charged murder and mystery to talk about as we watch the pole dancer dance her last dance, while smoking the very finest of cigars!
And you see that fellow over there, him in the corner? Those snaps he's showing are of his latest kill. Rather notorious, that one. He's been eyeing-up tonight's pole-dancer too, so I suspect we might never see her again. That is of course unless she finds herself featured in his next set of snaps, and I suspect we willl, but let's enjoy her while we still can - shall we?
Oh and do please do forgive my appaling manners.
May I offer you a cigar, Pinspotter?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giallo
This is what happens when you incentivize and monetize artwork. I stopped screaming about it a few years ago, cause nobody listens. I saw the writing on the wall sometime around 2012. And of course, that's when my own work started sliding into obscurity. Because it doesn't "make enough money" for those who own the "platforms". I put quotes around "platforms" because in order to have a platform, you have to own it. Since we don't, I call them "publishers" and that's exactly what they are. Anyway.....
Renderosity will actually temp ban your account if you "spam" gallery posts. It happened to me despite having paid for their "premium" feature which is supposed to allow unlimited posts. I was told that I was "disruptive to the community" or something. But it wasn't like I was posting one right after the other. There wasn't a "wall" of just my own work. I'm ok with there being a daily limit but you gotta be clear about it. It isn't hard to set a flag on the server to limit your daily posts. That's what they do over at the Fantasies Attic. 5 posts per day, if you try to post a 6th it just won't work.
*SHRUG*
Renderosity will actually temp ban your account if you "spam" gallery posts. It happened to me despite having paid for their "premium" feature which is supposed to allow unlimited posts. I was told that I was "disruptive to the community" or something. But it wasn't like I was posting one right after the other. There wasn't a "wall" of just my own work. I'm ok with there being a daily limit but you gotta be clear about it. It isn't hard to set a flag on the server to limit your daily posts. That's what they do over at the Fantasies Attic. 5 posts per day, if you try to post a 6th it just won't work.
*SHRUG*
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Beautiful Misfits
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Wed, Jan 29A daily limit makes sense, when thinking about, how much a server and webspace costs and FA for sure will never have the capacity like renderosity or this store here.
Maybe people need limits, need regulations, even though it would be wonderful if they wouldn't.
We have so many rules already, do we really need more?
Maybe people need limits, need regulations, even though it would be wonderful if they wouldn't.
We have so many rules already, do we really need more?
Pinspotter
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Wed, Jan 29Unfortunately we do need rules because some people push boundaries and in general cannot be trusted in even mundane tasks. This is why we have governments. Essentially it is "idiot-proofing".
MKDAWUSS
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Wed, Jan 29If there was an imposed upload limit, I kinda get the feeling it would take a while (with a lot of trial, error, and feedback) to get right. While I don't exactly have a hard-set self-imposed number, I do try to be careful that I'm not flooding the gallery.
People trying to transfer their galleries from elsewhere are also likely to inadvertently (to give the benefit of the doubt) flood the gallery because there's probably a sizable collection to move over. We've seen it happen in the marketplace when vendors would move their stores over and the front page of the latest items sorting would basically be one person's entire store.
People trying to transfer their galleries from elsewhere are also likely to inadvertently (to give the benefit of the doubt) flood the gallery because there's probably a sizable collection to move over. We've seen it happen in the marketplace when vendors would move their stores over and the front page of the latest items sorting would basically be one person's entire store.
Pinspotter
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Fri, Jan 31Just at a glance, when I grab details about my finished works folder, I have a 3D rendered body of work that is over 3,000 pieces. I haven't "spammed" any gallery in well over a decade.
Keeping in mind that I used to do a lot of photography, can draw to some degree, and am a pretty good colorist among many, many other things. If I were to digitize and post everything I can digitize, online, it would take years. I don't spam.
The problem in modern times is that we've all been conditioned to churn out "content" like robots. I opened a Bluesky account a few months ago and currently I have 29 posts there. My body of work in 3D rendering alone is over 3k images. Not everyone needs to see what I made 10, 15, 20 years ago. My stuff over the past three years looks way better anyway. But social media wants several posts every single day. I call it a Skinner Box for a very good reason.
But aside all of that, there really needs to be a limit per day. One of the reasons why is that we don't have 20 million users on this website. I was not pleased when I was temp banned by Renderosity, because while the rule itself has good intentions, when the standard is decided on a per-user basis by an individual moderator who may or may not have a grudge against a certain user, issues arise. Again, a simple file limit flag is the easiest solution. Make the rule and set it, or risk the spam. If I was a new arrival and I saw a whole gallery page featuring a single artist, I'd be going elsewhere. Driving away potential gallery uploaders is the last thing you want when you're running and curating a gallery. You want the diversity. Because RenderHub isn't a social media "platform".
I run several DeviantArt groups and they all have daily submission limits to prevent spam. Very few people self-moderate.
Keeping in mind that I used to do a lot of photography, can draw to some degree, and am a pretty good colorist among many, many other things. If I were to digitize and post everything I can digitize, online, it would take years. I don't spam.
The problem in modern times is that we've all been conditioned to churn out "content" like robots. I opened a Bluesky account a few months ago and currently I have 29 posts there. My body of work in 3D rendering alone is over 3k images. Not everyone needs to see what I made 10, 15, 20 years ago. My stuff over the past three years looks way better anyway. But social media wants several posts every single day. I call it a Skinner Box for a very good reason.
But aside all of that, there really needs to be a limit per day. One of the reasons why is that we don't have 20 million users on this website. I was not pleased when I was temp banned by Renderosity, because while the rule itself has good intentions, when the standard is decided on a per-user basis by an individual moderator who may or may not have a grudge against a certain user, issues arise. Again, a simple file limit flag is the easiest solution. Make the rule and set it, or risk the spam. If I was a new arrival and I saw a whole gallery page featuring a single artist, I'd be going elsewhere. Driving away potential gallery uploaders is the last thing you want when you're running and curating a gallery. You want the diversity. Because RenderHub isn't a social media "platform".
I run several DeviantArt groups and they all have daily submission limits to prevent spam. Very few people self-moderate.
And here I thought Karma was : when you slap someone in the face today, you get your butt kicked the next day.
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And it's happening again: at least 40+ pictures from yesterday to today. Oh dear - is that really necessary?
The gallery always sparkles and shines with lots of - sometimes completely different - creative approaches and ideas .... since yesterday, it looks like an Insalata Mista consisting only of romaine lettuce with a few slices of cucumber scattered around.
Honestly - I don't like it. To me, it's unfair to all the others whose images are buried under an avalanche of lettuce (see above) - and on the other hand, it's also unfair to the CC'ers here whose promo images are pushed down.
The gallery always sparkles and shines with lots of - sometimes completely different - creative approaches and ideas .... since yesterday, it looks like an Insalata Mista consisting only of romaine lettuce with a few slices of cucumber scattered around.
Honestly - I don't like it. To me, it's unfair to all the others whose images are buried under an avalanche of lettuce (see above) - and on the other hand, it's also unfair to the CC'ers here whose promo images are pushed down.
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Beautiful Misfits
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Tue, May 06It's the stupid Karma-point-hunt.
For now, until this one has loaded up all his (felt as) 1000 render, I have the setting on "following".
And yes, I second this, to see 100 Insalata Mista and all others went under the bridge (in this case all these render) it's not only unfair, it's annoying.
Maybe we should have this stupid 5-pictures-a-day-limit to avoid these mass-postings.
For now, until this one has loaded up all his (felt as) 1000 render, I have the setting on "following".
And yes, I second this, to see 100 Insalata Mista and all others went under the bridge (in this case all these render) it's not only unfair, it's annoying.
Maybe we should have this stupid 5-pictures-a-day-limit to avoid these mass-postings.
MKDAWUSS
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Tue, May 06I thought I was kinda going nuts with it the other day, even though I did try to stagger it out a bit.
I think the latest incident was a case of the newbie share. "I'm new here and I have plenty of stored images I want to share".
Images will fly by unnoticed all the time for various reasons. There have been times where I'll see something in the trending section where I wonder how I missed that when it was first posted as I check the latest section the most.
I think the latest incident was a case of the newbie share. "I'm new here and I have plenty of stored images I want to share".
Images will fly by unnoticed all the time for various reasons. There have been times where I'll see something in the trending section where I wonder how I missed that when it was first posted as I check the latest section the most.
Pushee-Ri
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Tue, May 06@BeautifulMisfits:
We've both already established above: Rules suck In addition, the installation in the system should be very difficult. A friendly note directly above the submit button with a nice request not to post too many pictures per day might be easier (HTML / CSS)
@MKDAWUSS
Hmm ... so: when I first joined here, I only posted a single picture ... and then waited. But if everyone was like me, I wouldn't want to be me anymore
We've both already established above: Rules suck
In addition, the installation in the system should be very difficult. A friendly note directly above the submit button with a nice request not to post too many pictures per day might be easier (HTML / CSS) @MKDAWUSS
Hmm ... so: when I first joined here, I only posted a single picture ... and then waited. But if everyone was like me, I wouldn't want to be me anymore
MKDAWUSS
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Tue, May 06I posted more than 1 when I first posted but I still kept it in the single digits.
If I do upload batches, I try to keep it to a grid and then wait a few hours minimum. Like I said above, if I'm filling up 2 entire rows, I'm overdoing it.
If I do upload batches, I try to keep it to a grid and then wait a few hours minimum. Like I said above, if I'm filling up 2 entire rows, I'm overdoing it.
While I understand some specific instances can be annoying, I'd love to get your thoughts on something.
If a new community member has 200 images on another platform and wants to make RenderHub their new home, should we really make them take 40 days to fully transition to the community? (Assuming the five images per day limit recommended above)
"Welcome to RenderHub! We're glad you're here, so make yourself at home. Except - don't upload so much of your work. It makes other community members upset."
To me, that doesn't seem very welcoming to someone who is excited to join the community and share their work.
And since this only affects others when sorted by "Newest" - is this truly a problem for the broader community?
Isn't that why someone selects "Newest" for their sort order? To see the newest items added to the gallery?
With that said, we're always open to improving the user experience for everyone.
One idea that's been brought up is a "temporary ignore" or "permanent block" feature. That way, individual users could tailor what they see without limiting what others can share. Would something like that be helpful to you in cases like this?
If you have any feedback or other ideas, we'd love to hear them.
If a new community member has 200 images on another platform and wants to make RenderHub their new home, should we really make them take 40 days to fully transition to the community? (Assuming the five images per day limit recommended above)
"Welcome to RenderHub! We're glad you're here, so make yourself at home. Except - don't upload so much of your work. It makes other community members upset."
To me, that doesn't seem very welcoming to someone who is excited to join the community and share their work.
And since this only affects others when sorted by "Newest" - is this truly a problem for the broader community?
Isn't that why someone selects "Newest" for their sort order? To see the newest items added to the gallery?
With that said, we're always open to improving the user experience for everyone.
One idea that's been brought up is a "temporary ignore" or "permanent block" feature. That way, individual users could tailor what they see without limiting what others can share. Would something like that be helpful to you in cases like this?
If you have any feedback or other ideas, we'd love to hear them.
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Beautiful Misfits
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Tue, May 06The "temporary ignore" would be wonderful, blocking someone don't help at all. There was/is the one who was flooding the gallery and I blocked him. Didn't changed a thing.
Finally he/se learned to use the "adult" button and I don't see the stuff anymore
And beside that, I don't wanna block new members, cause in the flood of render I would maybe miss a gem
As Pushee-Ri already wrote, I'm not a fan of rules either, but if common courtesy isn't there, and I think flooding instead of posting is wrong, something should be done.
I chose newest, cause I wanna see the newest and not day by day the same trending stuff. I didn't chose newest, because I only wanna see a bunch of render from only one person.
Finally he/se learned to use the "adult" button and I don't see the stuff anymore
And beside that, I don't wanna block new members, cause in the flood of render I would maybe miss a gem
As Pushee-Ri already wrote, I'm not a fan of rules either, but if common courtesy isn't there, and I think flooding instead of posting is wrong, something should be done.
I chose newest, cause I wanna see the newest and not day by day the same trending stuff. I didn't chose newest, because I only wanna see a bunch of render from only one person.
MKDAWUSS
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Tue, May 06I wouldn't want to see a hard rule either, because then it's a question of where to draw the line and for something like that a self-imposed soft rule would be better. Not to mention that upload situations change. The gallery will see some downtime where someone isn't uploading anything for a little while. Other times there's a crowd posting things they want everyone to see.
"Welcome to RenderHub! We're glad you're here, so make yourself at home. Except - don't upload so much of your work. It makes other community members upset." Yep lol. Eventually the newbie flood runs out unless they're literally chugging out 10s of renders a day minimum.
IMO it's not too different from when vendors move their stores here - some vendors have a lot of things to migrate.
I think a temporary mute would work, especially if it could apply only to a section of either the gallery or marketplace. Otherwise it's just a case of waiting it out because they'll eventually run out of content to share.
"Welcome to RenderHub! We're glad you're here, so make yourself at home. Except - don't upload so much of your work. It makes other community members upset." Yep lol. Eventually the newbie flood runs out unless they're literally chugging out 10s of renders a day minimum.
IMO it's not too different from when vendors move their stores here - some vendors have a lot of things to migrate.
I think a temporary mute would work, especially if it could apply only to a section of either the gallery or marketplace. Otherwise it's just a case of waiting it out because they'll eventually run out of content to share.
Excessive
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Tue, May 06Gallery ignore feature that actually hides the blocked content is a pretty reasonable feature that most gallery sites have, even Renderosity finally broke down and added this recently.
Pushee-Ri
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Wed, May 07Although I'm a CC, it wasn't the store but the gallery that brought me to Renderhub. It sparkled with great, creative and, above all, different ideas. For me personally, the gallery - and not the store - is therefore the (or rather: ! THE !) flagship for Renderhub.
The spamming not only ruins (or at least disturbs) this impression, but also affects the " Trending " sorting: how can something trend if it is buried under a mountain of spamming and pushed down so far that it can no longer be found under " Newest " (except by scrolling down until your finger is sore)? In addition, of course, spamming also disrupts / pushes down promos of CC's. I personally don't think that's something worthwhile (if you look at it commercially - both as a CC and as a platform operator).
I (as a programmer) take a critical view of the temporary ban / do not show: Never touch a running system ... and such a conversion would entail extensive reprogramming - especially since it would have to take place on an individual user level - and at the same time for the entire gallery display.
One simple idea I already mentioned above: a friendly hint (i.e. not a rule or a " You must not ") not to post too many pictures per day - directly above the Sumbit button. This could be written nicely and briefly address the issues presented here. And with HTML / CSS this could be implemented very quickly.
Users who stick to this also get Likes from me again
... and anyone who doesn't stick to it either can't read .... or doesn't care about the community.
The spamming not only ruins (or at least disturbs) this impression, but also affects the " Trending " sorting: how can something trend if it is buried under a mountain of spamming and pushed down so far that it can no longer be found under " Newest " (except by scrolling down until your finger is sore)? In addition, of course, spamming also disrupts / pushes down promos of CC's. I personally don't think that's something worthwhile (if you look at it commercially - both as a CC and as a platform operator).
I (as a programmer) take a critical view of the temporary ban / do not show: Never touch a running system ... and such a conversion would entail extensive reprogramming - especially since it would have to take place on an individual user level - and at the same time for the entire gallery display.
One simple idea I already mentioned above: a friendly hint (i.e. not a rule or a " You must not ") not to post too many pictures per day - directly above the Sumbit button. This could be written nicely and briefly address the issues presented here. And with HTML / CSS this could be implemented very quickly.
Users who stick to this also get Likes from me again
... and anyone who doesn't stick to it either can't read .... or doesn't care about the community.
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Wed, May 07It appears that some of you have overlooked my first question. This is my main point, so I'll ask again with this example:
If a new community member has 200 images on another platform and wants to make RenderHub their new home, should we really make them take 40 days to fully transition to the community? (Assuming the five images per day limit recommended above)
To me, that doesn't seem very welcoming to someone who is excited to join the community and share their work.
I would love to get your thoughts on that.
If a new community member has 200 images on another platform and wants to make RenderHub their new home, should we really make them take 40 days to fully transition to the community? (Assuming the five images per day limit recommended above)
To me, that doesn't seem very welcoming to someone who is excited to join the community and share their work.
I would love to get your thoughts on that.
Beautiful Misfits
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Wed, May 07Ok, it seems, that these 200 + old render are more important, than people, who are selling here and their render-posts get lost under the masses.
If I move into a new house, I don't unpack all 200 boxes at once, cause I would get lost in a mess. So why is it necessary that one is unpacking all render here at once and vendors get miffed.
What Pushee-Ri wrote is so easy and simple, just a text beside the load-up button, to please keep it limited, or post 6 (with the main render 7)in the same upload.
If someone really need to show all at once and will find someone, who will take a look at all (I WON'T) then at least not single uploads.
We have the possibility to put several render in one post, so fine, 7 picturs still make 28 posts in a chain, but then it's done and we can see other render again.
If I move into a new house, I don't unpack all 200 boxes at once, cause I would get lost in a mess. So why is it necessary that one is unpacking all render here at once and vendors get miffed.
What Pushee-Ri wrote is so easy and simple, just a text beside the load-up button, to please keep it limited, or post 6 (with the main render 7)in the same upload.
If someone really need to show all at once and will find someone, who will take a look at all (I WON'T) then at least not single uploads.
We have the possibility to put several render in one post, so fine, 7 picturs still make 28 posts in a chain, but then it's done and we can see other render again.
Excessive
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Wed, May 07If they're high effort images I don't really think they should be throttled, but on the other hand when I added my catalogue of free items here after the closure of ShareCG (something like 50 in a pretty short span of time) I knew better than to also post separate gallery images for each of those, because I knew it would be annoying to other gallery users. I don't think there's generally these big bursts of high volume like the hypothetical new user with 200 images that you really need to have a top-down rule for it, but I've only been here a short time so who am I to say?
Excessive
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Wed, May 07how often does this kind of thing happen here anyway, where a person adds a large number of high effort gallery posts? like once or twice a year?
IAmAFox
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Wed, May 07"200 + old render are more important, than people, who are selling here and their render-posts"
As a seller, im not that bothered, when do you see users constantly spamming their renders, maybe once in awhile
Im glad to see it, especially if its a good set of renders.
"If someone really need to show all at once and will find someone, who will take a look at all (I WON'T) then at least not single uploads."
You've solved your problem "(I WON'T), scroll down, done and dusted
As a seller, im not that bothered, when do you see users constantly spamming their renders, maybe once in awhile
Im glad to see it, especially if its a good set of renders.
"If someone really need to show all at once and will find someone, who will take a look at all (I WON'T) then at least not single uploads."
You've solved your problem "(I WON'T), scroll down, done and dusted
Pushee-Ri
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Wed, May 07@RenderHub Admin 1
" If a new community member has 200 images on another platform and wants to make RenderHub their new home ... "
This question implies that Renderhub (or the gallery) is intended as a kind of storage box for images (similar to a cloud). Well ... so far I thought it would be a place where creatives, 3D artists and CC's meet to showcase their work in a respectful way. Damn, I was quite wrong
I am (as is well known) also on CGbytes / 'rotica - and there is a very strict 5 pics per day rule. So far nobody has complained about it. On the other hand, there was a short period of time where you could post more than 5 pictures with a paid Prime account (or something like that). The screaming was deafening
User Excessive has written above " I knew better than to also post separate gallery images for each of those (50 products), because I knew it would be annoying to other gallery users. " I think that's what it's all about: respecting the work of others, not putting your own freedom above that of others - or in other words, living the community.
Finally, a question from me: what if someone arrives with 400, 800 or 1200+ images? Anabran wrote below that some renderings can be done very quickly. What happens then with the gallery ... and what happens to the other users?
BTW - I only used 'rotica as an example. Personally, I'm fine with such rules - but I would NOT want them for Renderhub.
" If a new community member has 200 images on another platform and wants to make RenderHub their new home ... "
This question implies that Renderhub (or the gallery) is intended as a kind of storage box for images (similar to a cloud). Well ... so far I thought it would be a place where creatives, 3D artists and CC's meet to showcase their work in a respectful way. Damn, I was quite wrong
I am (as is well known) also on CGbytes / 'rotica - and there is a very strict 5 pics per day rule. So far nobody has complained about it. On the other hand, there was a short period of time where you could post more than 5 pictures with a paid Prime account (or something like that). The screaming was deafening
User Excessive has written above " I knew better than to also post separate gallery images for each of those (50 products), because I knew it would be annoying to other gallery users. " I think that's what it's all about: respecting the work of others, not putting your own freedom above that of others - or in other words, living the community.
Finally, a question from me: what if someone arrives with 400, 800 or 1200+ images? Anabran wrote below that some renderings can be done very quickly. What happens then with the gallery ... and what happens to the other users?
BTW - I only used 'rotica as an example. Personally, I'm fine with such rules - but I would NOT want them for Renderhub.
Beautiful Misfits
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Wed, May 07@IAmAFox
yeah right, I forgot about that, scroll down, done and dusted.
Thanks for this amazing idea.
yeah right, I forgot about that, scroll down, done and dusted.
Thanks for this amazing idea.
Beautiful Misfits
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Wed, May 07@Pushee-Ri
I'm telling you, we're talking against walls, ferroconcrete walls.
Just right now I WISH this place would be overrun by people, posting 400, 800, 1200 or more images.
Rosity has the same rule, 5 each day or be prime and you can post more (something like that, not 100% sure) and daz has a limit in size, if I'm not wrong.
But here you can post as many as you want, as fast as you can and if someone don't wanna see the masses, well *rofl* just scroll down, done and dusted.
I'm telling you, we're talking against walls, ferroconcrete walls.
Just right now I WISH this place would be overrun by people, posting 400, 800, 1200 or more images.
Rosity has the same rule, 5 each day or be prime and you can post more (something like that, not 100% sure) and daz has a limit in size, if I'm not wrong.
But here you can post as many as you want, as fast as you can and if someone don't wanna see the masses, well *rofl* just scroll down, done and dusted.
Pushee-Ri
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Wed, May 07@Beautiful Misfits
Naaa ... I don't talk to walls and I don't (yet) have the feeling that I do. I just wanted to respond to the question posed - and give my own personal opinion.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter what happens anyway: fortunately, it (Galery Spamming) doesn't happen all that often .... but it's really annoying when it does
Naaa ... I don't talk to walls and I don't (yet) have the feeling that I do. I just wanted to respond to the question posed - and give my own personal opinion.
Ultimately, it doesn't matter what happens anyway: fortunately, it (Galery Spamming) doesn't happen all that often .... but it's really annoying when it does
RenderHub Admin 1
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Wed, May 07@Beautiful Misfits -
"...it seems, that these 200 + old render are more important, than people, who are selling here and their render-posts get lost under the masses..."
Why does it seem that way? I never implied that would be more important in any way.
Also - what is wrong with an artist sharing older work? Is there an expiration date on art?
"...We have the possibility to put several render in one post..."
Absolutely, and that's great when users do that. But it makes no sense whatsoever to use that feature if the images are unrelated.
I'm sorry, but I genuinely don't understand why it's so hard to see that putting a limit on uploads would feel quite unwelcoming to a new member of the community.
"...it seems, that these 200 + old render are more important, than people, who are selling here and their render-posts get lost under the masses..."
Why does it seem that way? I never implied that would be more important in any way.
Also - what is wrong with an artist sharing older work? Is there an expiration date on art?
"...We have the possibility to put several render in one post..."
Absolutely, and that's great when users do that. But it makes no sense whatsoever to use that feature if the images are unrelated.
I'm sorry, but I genuinely don't understand why it's so hard to see that putting a limit on uploads would feel quite unwelcoming to a new member of the community.
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Wed, May 07@Excessive -
"...how often does this kind of thing happen here anyway..."
Not very often, which is why I'm trying to figure out why this is so bothersome to some people. I'd like to come up with a solution, if we can. One that does not put hard limits on new members, creating an unwelcome environment.
"...how often does this kind of thing happen here anyway..."
Not very often, which is why I'm trying to figure out why this is so bothersome to some people. I'd like to come up with a solution, if we can. One that does not put hard limits on new members, creating an unwelcome environment.
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Wed, May 07@Pushee-Ri -
"...I thought it would be a place where creatives, 3D artists and CC's meet to showcase their work in a respectful way. Damn, I was quite wrong..."
You are not wrong. But are you trying to say that a new person migrating their existing artwork to RenderHub and joining the community is disrespectful?
And to answer your question... I would hope that we could create a welcoming environment for all users who want to join the community.
"...I thought it would be a place where creatives, 3D artists and CC's meet to showcase their work in a respectful way. Damn, I was quite wrong..."
You are not wrong. But are you trying to say that a new person migrating their existing artwork to RenderHub and joining the community is disrespectful?
And to answer your question... I would hope that we could create a welcoming environment for all users who want to join the community.
MKDAWUSS
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Wed, May 07"Absolutely, and that's great when users do that. But it makes no sense whatsoever to use that feature if the images are unrelated."
Agreed. It would also make tagging an even more complicated issue as someone like me would fill all 6 slots rather quickly. In addition, it makes certain favorites collections a bit awkward as now one may have to dig a bit to find the independent image that's being added to said favorites collection.
"Not very often, which is why I'm trying to figure out why this is so bothersome to some people. I'd like to come up with a solution, if we can. One that does not put hard limits on new members, creating an unwelcome environment."
Flooding like that is like a sprint - you're eventually going to run out of steam. Which is also why it doesn't happen all that often.
I think self-policing is best for that sort of thing, because, again, where do you draw the line in terms of uploads? Both gallery and marketplace? What might be fine for me winds up being intolerable for someone else - in either direction. If someone's really good at diplomatic taps on the shoulder, I guess someone can send one of those, but that is a skill many don't have.
" I would hope that we could create a welcoming environment for all users who want to join the community."
Has been so far!
Agreed. It would also make tagging an even more complicated issue as someone like me would fill all 6 slots rather quickly. In addition, it makes certain favorites collections a bit awkward as now one may have to dig a bit to find the independent image that's being added to said favorites collection.
"Not very often, which is why I'm trying to figure out why this is so bothersome to some people. I'd like to come up with a solution, if we can. One that does not put hard limits on new members, creating an unwelcome environment."
Flooding like that is like a sprint - you're eventually going to run out of steam. Which is also why it doesn't happen all that often.
I think self-policing is best for that sort of thing, because, again, where do you draw the line in terms of uploads? Both gallery and marketplace? What might be fine for me winds up being intolerable for someone else - in either direction. If someone's really good at diplomatic taps on the shoulder, I guess someone can send one of those, but that is a skill many don't have.
" I would hope that we could create a welcoming environment for all users who want to join the community."
Has been so far!
Pushee-Ri
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Thu, May 08@RenderHub Admin 1
" If a new community member has 200 images on another platform and wants to make RenderHub their new home ... "
But what platform should that be if you haven't learned there in advance that there are limits in one form or another?
CGbytes: max. 5 image uploads per day
Renderotica: max. 5 image uploads per day
Renderosity: max. 5 image uploads per day
DAZ Gallery: size limit
I have started a (very) quick search: DeviantArt and ArtStation also seem to have limits (albeit in a different form).
From my point of view, most of these limits have the purpose of maintaining diversity in the respective galleries. A bowl full of colorful candies looks more interesting than a bowl filled only with blue M&Ms
So when we talk about migrating from a platform to Renderhub, the migrator will be 90% aware of limits. What does that say about the person if they don't follow here the simplest limits?
For newcomers without experience (in terms of limits etc.), the situation is of course different. In my opinion, however, both types (migrants and newcomers) could not only be kindly reminded of self-control, but also integrated into the community in a friendly way (the note above the submit button).
" Please note: in order to maintain a colorful, creative and diverse gallery community, we kindly ask you not to upload more than 5 pictures per day. Thank you very much for your understanding and support. "
Personally, I would not feel stifled or oppressed by such a notice, nor would I find Renderhub to be an unfriendly place. Rather, for me it would be a kind of additional welcome to a great and diverse community.
" If a new community member has 200 images on another platform and wants to make RenderHub their new home ... "
But what platform should that be if you haven't learned there in advance that there are limits in one form or another?
CGbytes: max. 5 image uploads per day
Renderotica: max. 5 image uploads per day
Renderosity: max. 5 image uploads per day
DAZ Gallery: size limit
I have started a (very) quick search: DeviantArt and ArtStation also seem to have limits (albeit in a different form).
From my point of view, most of these limits have the purpose of maintaining diversity in the respective galleries. A bowl full of colorful candies looks more interesting than a bowl filled only with blue M&Ms
So when we talk about migrating from a platform to Renderhub, the migrator will be 90% aware of limits. What does that say about the person if they don't follow here the simplest limits?
For newcomers without experience (in terms of limits etc.), the situation is of course different. In my opinion, however, both types (migrants and newcomers) could not only be kindly reminded of self-control, but also integrated into the community in a friendly way (the note above the submit button).
" Please note: in order to maintain a colorful, creative and diverse gallery community, we kindly ask you not to upload more than 5 pictures per day. Thank you very much for your understanding and support. "
Personally, I would not feel stifled or oppressed by such a notice, nor would I find Renderhub to be an unfriendly place. Rather, for me it would be a kind of additional welcome to a great and diverse community.
Pushee-Ri
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Thu, May 08@RenderHub Admin 1:
Sorry for the double post - I had overlooked your question about respect / disrespect.
For me personally, fairness, consideration and mindfulness are very important in all areas of life (including here). I.e.
Yes - I personally feel that spamming a gallery is unfair and disrespectful
- towards other 3D artists whose work is drowning in an avalanche of monotony
- towards 3D producers / CC's, whose promo images are pushed down to the point of untraceability.
Here is an example from this morning:
After a very brief look at the gallery, I was actually - on the third day of gallery spamming in a row - no longer in the mood to look at all. But then (fortunately) curiosity won out ... and among the avalanche of spamming I found the promo image for a new product, which went straight into my bookmarks for products to buy (I'm a bit old-fashioned, I admit).
This means that spamming (and without my curiosity) the producer - and therefore Renderhub - would have lost money, at least in the short term.
Sorry for the double post - I had overlooked your question about respect / disrespect.
For me personally, fairness, consideration and mindfulness are very important in all areas of life (including here). I.e.
Yes - I personally feel that spamming a gallery is unfair and disrespectful
- towards other 3D artists whose work is drowning in an avalanche of monotony
- towards 3D producers / CC's, whose promo images are pushed down to the point of untraceability.
Here is an example from this morning:
After a very brief look at the gallery, I was actually - on the third day of gallery spamming in a row - no longer in the mood to look at all. But then (fortunately) curiosity won out ... and among the avalanche of spamming I found the promo image for a new product, which went straight into my bookmarks for products to buy (I'm a bit old-fashioned, I admit).
This means that spamming (and without my curiosity) the producer - and therefore Renderhub - would have lost money, at least in the short term.
Quote:
If a new community member has 200 images on another platform and wants to make RenderHub their new home, should we really make them take 40 days to fully transition to the community? (Assuming the five images per day limit recommended above)
To me, that doesn't seem very welcoming to someone who is excited to join the community and share their work.
I would love to get your thoughts on that.
As an animator I don't really use the still galleries thus have no "Dog in this fight" so to speak.
But imposing a daily limit on uploads seems not only unfair to a new member migrating his catalogue, but it is also unfair to a prolific artist who maybe does fast renders of sequential NPR images that can be produced very quickly in a day.
Highly productive prolific creators on youtube gets favored by the algorithm as well its the nature of these online spaces
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Beautiful Misfits
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Wed, May 07Only that we are here not on youtube.
What you're writing would implement that a vendor, who wanna sell here, would have to make mass render, load up these masses so people see the product instead of a new member, who isn't selling a thing, spams the gallery to the upper limit.
Well, fine, but then the vendor won't have enough time to create a product, leave the house and find a new home, where he can sell and renderhub will become the most useless gallery ever.
Cause there are other place to just post pictures, where one can upload 24/7
What you're writing would implement that a vendor, who wanna sell here, would have to make mass render, load up these masses so people see the product instead of a new member, who isn't selling a thing, spams the gallery to the upper limit.
Well, fine, but then the vendor won't have enough time to create a product, leave the house and find a new home, where he can sell and renderhub will become the most useless gallery ever.
Cause there are other place to just post pictures, where one can upload 24/7
Quote:Well, fine, but then the vendor won't have enough time to create a product, leave the house and find a new home, where he can sell and renderhub will become the most useless gallery ever.
Any vendor who understands Marketing is not depending one gallery on one website to reach potential buyers.
I constantly see adds for Renderhub on Twitter/X where I also spam my products heavily
I Also frequently see adds for Daz studio on facebook as well as TwitterX
I joined a faceboook group called "Daz studio animations "that turns out is frankly is nothing more than a spam group for Daz Affiliate members promoting Daz Pa's so I joined right in spamming my G8-9 animation products there as well which I am convinced resulted in many sales.
IMHO some arbitrary daily upload limit is regressive and punishes productivity and if Renderub sets the limit to five uploads the people with old hardware incapable of hitting that limit because of 12 hour Iray renders etc. will still complain.
Any vendor who understands Marketing is not depending one gallery on one website to reach potential buyers.
I constantly see adds for Renderhub on Twitter/X where I also spam my products heavily
I Also frequently see adds for Daz studio on facebook as well as TwitterX
I joined a faceboook group called "Daz studio animations "that turns out is frankly is nothing more than a spam group for Daz Affiliate members promoting Daz Pa's so I joined right in spamming my G8-9 animation products there as well which I am convinced resulted in many sales.
IMHO some arbitrary daily upload limit is regressive and punishes productivity and if Renderub sets the limit to five uploads the people with old hardware incapable of hitting that limit because of 12 hour Iray renders etc. will still complain.
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Beautiful Misfits
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Wed, May 07It seems, you don't wanna see my point.
People who are NOT vendors are flooding the gallery with years old renders, because they think and hope, they will get tons of likes.
I'm sure you've heard about this symptom, getting this dopamine-kick.
And all pages, that work with the "like", "heart" or what ever button are feeding this addiction and so does renderhub.
To top this, you get here the "Karma-points" and with enough karma-points you can give rocket boosts.
Or rank up or what ever these karma-points are good for.
I could start right now and flood the gallery with render so old and so outdated and so boring and no one would be interested, NO ONE.
What would I get out of this? Karma points *wooooohoooooo* soooo important.
Yes, you're right, it would be stupid to only post the promo render here, but since this is a store in the first place and vendors wanna show their promos HERE, I don't see a problem, to ask new members who are NOT selling a thing, to limit their uploads.
ASKING them politely, is there really a problem?
People who are NOT vendors are flooding the gallery with years old renders, because they think and hope, they will get tons of likes.
I'm sure you've heard about this symptom, getting this dopamine-kick.
And all pages, that work with the "like", "heart" or what ever button are feeding this addiction and so does renderhub.
To top this, you get here the "Karma-points" and with enough karma-points you can give rocket boosts.
Or rank up or what ever these karma-points are good for.
I could start right now and flood the gallery with render so old and so outdated and so boring and no one would be interested, NO ONE.
What would I get out of this? Karma points *wooooohoooooo* soooo important.
Yes, you're right, it would be stupid to only post the promo render here, but since this is a store in the first place and vendors wanna show their promos HERE, I don't see a problem, to ask new members who are NOT selling a thing, to limit their uploads.
ASKING them politely, is there really a problem?
RenderHub Admin 1
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Wed, May 07@Beautiful Misfits -
I'm sorry, but I truly do not understand your thought process here.
Is it not possible that some users might simply want to make RenderHub their new home?
Why would RenderHub - or community members who enjoy interacting with others - want to discourage that?
I'm sorry, but I truly do not understand your thought process here.
Is it not possible that some users might simply want to make RenderHub their new home?
Why would RenderHub - or community members who enjoy interacting with others - want to discourage that?
Beautiful Misfits
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Thu, May 08It doesn't matter for me any longer.
This time, just to mention it, it wasn't me, someone else dug the thread out, because of the very first same reason, flooding the gallery.
Ok, Renderhub knows no limits and some people, who won't show or simple don't have any understanding, that they are not the only ones, are misusing this.
That's not fair, it is respectless and simple put, I don't like such behavior!
For me, I leave it with Whitney Houston:
It's not right, but it's ok.
Have a nice day
This time, just to mention it, it wasn't me, someone else dug the thread out, because of the very first same reason, flooding the gallery.
Ok, Renderhub knows no limits and some people, who won't show or simple don't have any understanding, that they are not the only ones, are misusing this.
That's not fair, it is respectless and simple put, I don't like such behavior!
For me, I leave it with Whitney Houston:
It's not right, but it's ok.
Have a nice day
Pushee-Ri
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Thu, May 08I was the one who brought the thread back to the front. Of course, I could also have opened the next thread on the subject of gallery spamming / flooding ... but why?
The topic of gallery spamming / flooding is very important ... and not just for me or here on Renderhub but apparently in many creative communities.
That's why I would like to have a factual discussion - and that's why I resurrected this thread.
The topic of gallery spamming / flooding is very important ... and not just for me or here on Renderhub but apparently in many creative communities.
That's why I would like to have a factual discussion - and that's why I resurrected this thread.
Beautiful Misfits
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Thu, May 08It wasn't meant as attack against you!
I'm glad you did, cause as we now see THREE DAYS IN A ROW, that the most simple solution, that came from you, seems to be too much asked for
I'm glad you did, cause as we now see THREE DAYS IN A ROW, that the most simple solution, that came from you, seems to be too much asked for
Quote: I don't see a problem, to ask new members who are NOT selling a thing, to limit their uploads.
ASKING them politely, is there really a problem?
No.. asking for them to voluntarily limit their uploads is not a problem as long as there are no punitive actions taken against those who politely decline the suggestion and upload as much as they want.
ASKING them politely, is there really a problem?
No.. asking for them to voluntarily limit their uploads is not a problem as long as there are no punitive actions taken against those who politely decline the suggestion and upload as much as they want.
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Beautiful Misfits
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Wed, May 07*rofl* punitive actions?
Have you ever seen any punitive actions here?
I haven't!
And btw. I just asked at one of the mass postings, if he/she can be so nice and use the 6 additional slots to post.
It would be so easy, to insert this kind of question via html beside/under the upload-button. Just as Pushee-Ri mentioned. It would take seconds, upload the html or css and it's done.
No one here has asked for any punishment, but I tell you, if blocking people would help, I would do so.
It just don't work that way, I still would see the mass uploads.
Have you ever seen any punitive actions here?
I haven't!
And btw. I just asked at one of the mass postings, if he/she can be so nice and use the 6 additional slots to post.
It would be so easy, to insert this kind of question via html beside/under the upload-button. Just as Pushee-Ri mentioned. It would take seconds, upload the html or css and it's done.
No one here has asked for any punishment, but I tell you, if blocking people would help, I would do so.
It just don't work that way, I still would see the mass uploads.
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Wed, May 07@Beautiful Misfits -
"...*rofl* punitive actions? ... Have you ever seen any punitive actions here? ... I haven't!..."
I'll take that as a compliment.
That means you don't know about all the behind-the-scenes things happening to help keep RenderHub a respectful and safe community.
It also means you have already forgotten about the recent disturbance in the forum, of which I know you were aware. And that's a good thing.
"...*rofl* punitive actions? ... Have you ever seen any punitive actions here? ... I haven't!..."
I'll take that as a compliment.
That means you don't know about all the behind-the-scenes things happening to help keep RenderHub a respectful and safe community.
It also means you have already forgotten about the recent disturbance in the forum, of which I know you were aware. And that's a good thing.
Beautiful Misfits
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Thu, May 08I haven't forgotten, I was happy that it was gone, cause I tried 2 times before to close the thread.
I haven't seen it as punitive action against my thread, I saw it as "finally the bad mouthing is over".
I haven't seen it as punitive action against my thread, I saw it as "finally the bad mouthing is over".
Well, friendly asking don't help ... I just found out, cause I dared to ask.
Happy flooding people
Happy flooding people
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Wed, May 07Can you please confirm what you mean by this?
Are you saying that you contacted another community member and asked them to limit their gallery uploads?
Are you saying that you contacted another community member and asked them to limit their gallery uploads?
Beautiful Misfits
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Thu, May 08Nope, I asked, if he could use the other 6 slots, not to limit anything.
And btw. we have someone here at hub, who really could need some consolatory words.
How many have seen his post, before the post disappeared under the masses?
But hey, we have a new member, let him/her empty his moving boxes all at once.
How many have seen his post, before the post disappeared under the masses?
But hey, we have a new member, let him/her empty his moving boxes all at once.
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Thu, May 08It is true, new images slide down the page very quickly. Give us a link here, we can look.
I think this kind of over uploading sorts itself out. As users check out the gallery, There are images that catch your interest while scrolling through, and then you might give it a like or post a comment. I think that's what a site like this expects. peer support and acknowledgement.
If someone floods with repetitive images, users will just ignore and move on to the next good image that someone else made. Hence that overdoes will get no likes nor comments and their behaviour willbe rewarded wit zero attention. Then they can choose to change. or not. But we always have the right to ignore them.
If someone floods with repetitive images, users will just ignore and move on to the next good image that someone else made. Hence that overdoes will get no likes nor comments and their behaviour willbe rewarded wit zero attention. Then they can choose to change. or not. But we always have the right to ignore them.
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Beautiful Misfits
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Wed, May 07Right, it will sort itself out and every user with too many pictures will come to the point, when his/her folders are empty.
Not as many likes and for sure not the amount of dopamine he/she was hunting for (unknowingly, that's the point, people don't know about their addiction). Searching for the next place to load all up again.
Oh thank you, I needed this reminder
Not as many likes and for sure not the amount of dopamine he/she was hunting for (unknowingly, that's the point, people don't know about their addiction). Searching for the next place to load all up again.
Oh thank you, I needed this reminder
Heck, if I can get a render done every ten days or so, I'm amazed. Especially at this time of year. I garden, and half my stuff died last year so I'm replacing a lot. I use perennials to avoid having to plant every year. Anywho, how can anyone do more than one render in 24 hours? I guess I'm just different, I do a lot of testing and planning before a fianl render.
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Pushee-Ri
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Thu, May 08(Almost) the same here: I can't manage more than 2 - 3 promos a day - although promos are easier because they don't necessarily have to tell a complex story and I'm currently rendering mainly against a white background.
With the floods of images in question, it tends to be older / collected works that are now - like a graphic dhiarrhea - unleashed on the gallery.
With the floods of images in question, it tends to be older / collected works that are now - like a graphic dhiarrhea - unleashed on the gallery.
ArtbyMel
Karma: 10,852
Thu, May 08Agree, promos don't tell a complex story, they are pretty straightforward. But even when I posted my older stuff (I mean, I have 20 years of older stuff) I only posted 1 or 2 every few days. It was part consideration for others and partly because people are not going to look at your posts if you are flooding a gallery with a lot of them.
Pushee-Ri
Karma: 36,989
Thu, May 08You've nailed it
Just look at the current dude: currently 166 posts (many of which are good to very good) ... but likes and comments are scarce.
Just look at the current dude: currently 166 posts (many of which are good to very good) ... but likes and comments are scarce.
True, when I do promos I have to do 2 or 3 and I finish it late at night.
I think that a newcomer just wants to show his work, I don't justify putting 20 works at the same time, but you have to be understanding, after that it passes, it's just to make yourself known, I don't know about you but for me uploading images is boring, too many questions, I have thousands of images, but I don't want to upload them, rendererhub you have to make it less boring and in any case you can't please everyone, the comparison with the house is wrong, in a house there is a person or a family, here there are many people with different ideas and different ways of seeing things.. let's see it as a trendy place.
I think that a newcomer just wants to show his work, I don't justify putting 20 works at the same time, but you have to be understanding, after that it passes, it's just to make yourself known, I don't know about you but for me uploading images is boring, too many questions, I have thousands of images, but I don't want to upload them, rendererhub you have to make it less boring and in any case you can't please everyone, the comparison with the house is wrong, in a house there is a person or a family, here there are many people with different ideas and different ways of seeing things.. let's see it as a trendy place.
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Tenserknot
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Thu, May 08It is a way to raise your karma score too, so you don't feel like new around here.
the joker of spades
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Fri, May 09I think the only reason is to show your work, the problem is easily solved in a few days, high karma is useless, what counts is what you post and how nice you are to other users (unfortunately in almost all platforms this counts more than the work done and this is one of the real evils of 3d art)
Somewhat related to this, what is up with the guy that posts 25 store listings, first free and then changes all their pricing to like $7 each?
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guy91600
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Fri, May 09I once published an article and forgot to include the price, as the free box is checked by default. I was a bit careless when I entered it. So I changed the price a few days later. Good for the first buyers. It's up to me to accept my lack of concentration...
Tenserknot
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Fri, May 09If you're talking about all those tools items, maybe It does take a few days to become accustomed to the store setting if you are a new vendor.
Excessive
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Fri, May 09Okay but his listings go back two months, it's pretty obviously deliberate. No idea why someone would list things that way.
I just came from the gallery and only saw one person post multiple pics in the past few days. I actually liked there stuff and followed them too. And I'll tell you what... That's NOT SPAM. That's somebody moving there artwork here. There's a big difference.
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Pushee-Ri
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Fri, May 09That's why I prefer the term " Flooding " , so that the discussion is not shifted to a semantic level ...
Tenserknot
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Fri, May 09Have to agree their art is quite good, with a vast assortment of topics and genres.
Pushee-Ri
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Sat, May 10@Tenserknot:
Yes, I think most of the work is very good too. Personally, I just don't give likes to gallery flooders - even though I'm known as a Like confetti cannon .... and even if I think the work is brilliant.
You're welcome to call me a moron now ... but that's just the way I am
Have a great and creative weekend
Yes, I think most of the work is very good too. Personally, I just don't give likes to gallery flooders - even though I'm known as a Like confetti cannon .... and even if I think the work is brilliant.
You're welcome to call me a moron now ... but that's just the way I am
Have a great and creative weekend
Tenserknot
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Sat, May 10That is the wonderful thing about freedom, everyone can make the choice for themselves, and life still goes on. Have a great weekend too.
Based on your feedback, we've rolled out an expanded "Block User" feature that gives you more control over your own user experience.
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10541/website-feature-update-user-blocking
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10541/website-feature-update-user-blocking
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the joker of spades
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Mon, May 12Of all the people who responded, only 2 asked for a user block, the problem of multiple posts was solving itself, the user block is a terrible function, but as happened with the safesite (which is a disaster) you are only interested in certain opinions and since my words will be carried away by the wind... better not to waste others... in these useless posts
kwerkx
Karma: 6,151
Mon, May 12I read your comment; so in my arrogance, I'll say your words were not wasted.
Not sure if I like the new feature; but it's there now.. I might worry that many people will block me censuring me from the community; but on the opposite hand, I think it is more likely that an individual (in their zeal) might solo themselves away from the community. I feel better thinking that it is a two edged sword.
I'm going to repost this comment in the other thread -> Please make sure that the feature is two way, one should not be able to block a user and continue commenting or DMing the blocked person.
Not sure if I like the new feature; but it's there now.. I might worry that many people will block me censuring me from the community; but on the opposite hand, I think it is more likely that an individual (in their zeal) might solo themselves away from the community. I feel better thinking that it is a two edged sword.
I'm going to repost this comment in the other thread -> Please make sure that the feature is two way, one should not be able to block a user and continue commenting or DMing the blocked person.
guy91600
Karma: 13,100
Mon, May 12@the joker of spades
The user blocking feature may be a bad solution in your opinion, but it might also be a quick solution to implement. Besides, it's also easy to unblock the user a few days later and thus be able to browse their work in one go to get an idea: who should follow them or not?
The user blocking feature may be a bad solution in your opinion, but it might also be a quick solution to implement. Besides, it's also easy to unblock the user a few days later and thus be able to browse their work in one go to get an idea: who should follow them or not?
Excessive
Karma: 7,893
Mon, May 12A little early feedback, it appears you can block yourself (I'm afraid to try this so I don't know if it actually does anything). You can also block admins, this should probably not be allowed.
MKDAWUSS
Karma: 50,677
Mon, May 12"it appears you can block yourself"
Well, sometimes I get a little sick of me, too.
Well, sometimes I get a little sick of me, too.
kwerkx
Karma: 6,151
Mon, May 12@guy91600: "Besides, it's also easy to unblock the user a few days later and thus be able to browse their work in one go"
But, can that be weaponized? Someone trolls then blocks me, I cannot respond, then they unblock, troll & block again.. More of a forum than gallery issue; but hopefully my point makes sense.
But, can that be weaponized? Someone trolls then blocks me, I cannot respond, then they unblock, troll & block again.. More of a forum than gallery issue; but hopefully my point makes sense.
guy91600
Karma: 13,100
Mon, May 12@kwerkx
Who's stopping you from blocking a troll as soon as you've identified them?
Who's stopping you from blocking a troll as soon as you've identified them?
RenderHub Admin 1
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Mon, May 12@the joker of spades -
"...Of all the people who responded, only 2 asked for a user block..."
Maybe two in this thread - but there have been multiple other threads like it, and many Support messages requesting the feature.
"...the user block is a terrible function..."
I'm not sure why it's a bad thing to give individual users more control over their *own experience* on the website.
If you'd like to share your thoughts further, I would be interested to hear them. Feel free to post in this thread here:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10541/website-feature-update-user-blocking
"...Of all the people who responded, only 2 asked for a user block..."
Maybe two in this thread - but there have been multiple other threads like it, and many Support messages requesting the feature.
"...the user block is a terrible function..."
I'm not sure why it's a bad thing to give individual users more control over their *own experience* on the website.
If you'd like to share your thoughts further, I would be interested to hear them. Feel free to post in this thread here:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10541/website-feature-update-user-blocking
RenderHub Admin 1
Admin: 13,977
Mon, May 12@kwerkx -
"...I might worry that many people will block me censuring me from the community..."
That won't happen at all. This feature is on a *user level* that only affects an *individual member's* personal website experience. It has no effect whatsoever on how other users see your posts.
If you have further questions or concerns, please post them here:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10541/website-feature-update-user-blocking
"...I might worry that many people will block me censuring me from the community..."
That won't happen at all. This feature is on a *user level* that only affects an *individual member's* personal website experience. It has no effect whatsoever on how other users see your posts.
If you have further questions or concerns, please post them here:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10541/website-feature-update-user-blocking
RenderHub Admin 1
Admin: 13,977
Mon, May 12@Excessive -
"...it appears you can block yourself ... this should probably not be allowed..."
You're right, and that should be fixed shortly.
"...it appears you can block yourself ... this should probably not be allowed..."
You're right, and that should be fixed shortly.
RenderHub Admin 1
Admin: 13,977
Mon, May 12@kwerkx -
"...But, can that be weaponized?..."
I think you might be misunderstanding the feature. If someone trolls you, then you block them. No more trolling. Problem solved.
"...But, can that be weaponized?..."
I think you might be misunderstanding the feature. If someone trolls you, then you block them. No more trolling. Problem solved.
RenderHub Admin 1
Admin: 13,977
Mon, May 12@EVERYONE -
Let's please continue the discussion about this feature in the thread dedicated to the feature here:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10541/website-feature-update-user-blocking
Let's please continue the discussion about this feature in the thread dedicated to the feature here:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10541/website-feature-update-user-blocking
the joker of spades
Karma: 23,316
Mon, May 12I think that obscuring, silencing, censoring is like taking away the word, in art you should never censor and the problem of multiple posts was easily solved with a private message and the request not to exaggerate with the images uploaded ... respecting everyone .. I find that exaggerating is always wrong, like everyone I do not like everything I find in the gallery, but I respect all the works, those who made them put in time and effort, the least I can do is respect them ... but there will be many people who will block them and this will not help improve the gallery
RenderHub Admin 1
Admin: 13,977
Mon, May 12@the joker of spades -
Since I can't move posts from one thread to another, I have copied your post and pasted it with a reply in the appropriate thread here:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10541/website-feature-update-user-blocking
Please continue the conversation there. Thank you.
Since I can't move posts from one thread to another, I have copied your post and pasted it with a reply in the appropriate thread here:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10541/website-feature-update-user-blocking
Please continue the conversation there. Thank you.
Since the issues raised in this thread have been addressed with a new feature update, I am closing this thread.
Feel free to share your thoughts and feedback about the new feature here:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10541/website-feature-update-user-blocking
Feel free to share your thoughts and feedback about the new feature here:
https://www.renderhub.com/forum/10541/website-feature-update-user-blocking
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